that_o they_o can_v be_v save_v by_o protestancy_n q._n i_o see_v you_o be_v of_o opinion_n that_o no_o protestant_n at_o all_o can_v be_v save_v what_o can_v none_o of_o they_o have_v invincible_a ignorance_n be_v there_o so_o clear_a and_o obvious_a a_o evidence_n of_o the_o roman_n catholik_n be_v the_o true_a church_n that_o none_o can_v pretend_v nor_o plead_v ignorance_n of_o that_o truth_n a._n that_o out_o of_o the_o true_a church_n there_o be_v no_o salvation_n be_v a_o maxim_n of_o faith_n wherein_o the_o holy_a father_n agree_v that_o the_o same_o church_n be_v so_o visible_a and_o preferable_a before_o all_o other_o that_o even_o the_o most_o stupid_a may_v as_o easy_o see_v it_o as_o a_o city_n upon_o a_o mountain_n and_o therefore_o be_v command_v to_o repair_v to_o it_o be_v manifest_a in_o scripture_n that_o the_o roman_n catholik_n have_v those_o clear_a mark_n of_o god_n favour_n which_o persuade_v the_o most_o scrupulous_a it_o be_v the_o true_a church_n of_o god_n have_v be_v in_o the_o 4._o chapter_n demonstrate_v by_o we_o and_o appear_v by_o those_o supernatural_a sign_n of_o miracle_n sanctity_n conversion_n of_o nation_n to_o christianity_n etc._n etc._n which_o shine_v in_o it_o and_o have_v set_v it_o out_o so_o glorious_o in_o all_o age_n and_o place_n of_o the_o world_n since_o the_o preach_n of_o the_o apostle_n that_o in_o england_n there_o be_v any_o corner_n or_o person_n wherein_o common_a sense_n can_v be_v so_o bury_v or_o curiosity_n so_o dead_a as_o to_o be_v ignorant_a of_o these_o thing_n and_o other_o deliver_v by_o tradition_n from_o age_n to_o age_n and_o year_n to_o year_n be_v not_o credible_a but_o in_o case_n there_o be_v any_o protestant_n so_o near_o a_o beast_n as_o not_o to_o reflect_v upon_o any_o thing_n he_o see_v or_o hear_v of_o his_o own_o or_o of_o our_o religion_n his_o baptism_n will_v save_v he_o if_o he_o do_v not_o loose_a by_o a_o mortal_a sin_n the_o grace_n which_o he_o receive_v in_o and_o by_o that_o sacrament_n and_o this_o be_v all_o the_o comfort_n i_o can_v give_v my_o protestant_a friend_n who_o salvation_n i_o more_o hearty_o wish_v than_o those_o do_v who_o delude_v they_o with_o large_a opinion_n q._n this_o be_v but_o very_o cold_a comfort_n will_v not_o god_n grant_v to_o some_o poor_a ignorant_a protestant_a a_o act_n of_o contrition_n at_o least_o in_o the_o last_o hour_n a._n i_o think_v not_o but_o if_o he_o do_v to_o any_o it_o be_v to_o some_o of_o those_o stupid_a creature_n i_o last_v speak_v of_o as_o for_o other_o who_o have_v wit_n and_o way_n to_o consider_v and_o reflect_v upon_o those_o doubt_n which_o occur_v to_o themselves_o or_o be_v raise_v in_o they_o by_o the_o discourse_n of_o other_o their_o obstinacy_n or_o affect_a ignorance_n in_o not_o listen_v or_o inquire_v into_o a_o matter_n so_o important_a and_o so_o easy_o resolve_v make_v they_o incapable_a of_o so_o great_a a_o favour_n as_o a_o act_n of_o contrition_n and_o as_o for_o those_o earnest_a or_o bigot_n protestant_n they_o be_v in_o great_a danger_n of_o any_o and_o further_a from_o contrition_n because_o have_v a_o clear_a knowledge_n of_o their_o own_o religion_n and_o spend_v much_o time_n in_o the_o meditation_n thereof_o they_o must_v needs_o have_v great_a doubt_n if_o they_o do_v not_o stifle_v they_o in_o their_o first_o birth_n by_o divert_v their_o thought_n to_o more_o please_a object_n and_o by_o avoid_v all_o occasion_n of_o discourse_v of_o protestancy_n as_o common_o they_o do_v especial_o when_o they_o perceive_v there_o be_v any_o likelihood_n of_o lay_v open_o the_o weakness_n of_o its_o principle_n and_o the_o wickedness_n of_o the_o first_o reformer_n beside_o a_o act_n of_o contrition_n involue_v faith_n hope_n and_o charity_n and_o these_o protestant_n not_o have_v faith_n but_o rather_o a_o aversion_n against_o hear_v of_o it_o be_v not_o in_o a_o disposition_n fit_a for_o contrition_n which_o be_v the_o great_a grace_n god_n do_v to_o his_o most_o eminent_a servant_n and_o the_o saint_n of_o his_o own_o church_n q._n methinks_v this_o be_v very_o hard_a i_o can_v not_o as_o yet_o comprehend_v why_o a_o devout_a protestant_n may_v not_o be_v capable_a of_o a_o act_n of_o contrition_n be_v protestancy_n so_o abominable_a in_o the_o sight_n of_o god_n that_o he_o will_v not_o turn_v his_o merciful_a eye_n towards_o protestant_n be_v it_o worse_a than_o other_o great_a sin_n which_o god_n do_v pardon_n be_v it_o heresy_n and_o if_o it_o be_v may_v not_o a_o heretik_a have_v a_o act_n of_o contrition_n be_v the_o malice_n of_o heresy_n so_o great_a as_o to_o exclude_v god_n mercy_n a._n without_o doubt_n heresy_n be_v the_o great_a of_o sin_n and_o yet_o exclude_v not_o god_n mercy_n but_o a_o heretic_n conversion_n precede_v contrition_n this_o not_o be_v compatible_a with_o heresy_n i_o will_v brief_o tell_v you_o wherein_o consist_v the_o malice_n of_o heresy_n and_o leave_v yourself_o to_o judge_v whether_o protestancy_n be_v heresy_n the_o malice_n of_o heresy_n consist_v in_o the_o contempt_n of_o god_n veracity_n and_o god_n veracity_n consist_v in_o a_o infinite_a inclination_n to_o truth_n a_o infinite_a inclination_n to_o truth_n be_v not_o consistent_a with_o a_o permission_n of_o falsood_n credible_o father_v and_o fasten_v upon_o he_o that_o permit_v it_o if_o he_o can_v easy_o hinder_v the_o same_o now_o the_o malice_n of_o heresy_n consist_v in_o have_v so_o mean_a a_o opinion_n of_o god_n veracity_n or_o of_o his_o inclination_n to_o truth_n that_o he_o will_v permit_v a_o church_n so_o credible_o pretend_v to_o be_v his_o own_o as_o the_o roman_n catholik_n do_v by_o its_o miracle_n its_o sanctity_n its_o conversion_n of_o nation_n to_o christianity_n and_o other_o supernatural_a mark_n to_o impose_v upon_o the_o world_n in_o his_o name_n for_o so_o many_o age_n false_a doctrine_n for_o true_a whereas_o it_o be_v in_o his_o power_n every_o moment_n of_o all_o that_o time_n to_o discover_v and_o declare_v the_o cheat_n and_o disow_v the_o doctrine_n and_o yet_o he_o do_v not_o either_o that_o our_o miracle_n father_n our_o doctrine_n upon_o god_n be_v easy_o prove_v for_o though_o the_o first_o protestant_n reformer_n and_o their_o successor_n cry_v out_o against_o some_o of_o our_o miracle_n as_o false_a yet_o they_o be_v force_v to_o confess_v some_o of_o they_o be_v true_a and_o we_o join_v with_o they_o in_o censure_v false_a miracle_n as_o such_o and_o punish_v they_o who_o feign_v they_o as_o malefactor_n against_o our_o conversion_n of_o nation_n to_o christianity_n a_o confess_a mark_n of_o the_o true_a church_n they_o have_v nothing_o to_o say_v and_o as_o little_a against_o the_o succession_n and_o sanctity_n of_o our_o doctrine_n and_o doctor_n notwithstanding_o this_o credible_a and_o indeed_o convince_a appearance_n of_o our_o miracle_n and_o of_o the_o roman_a catholic_a church_n be_v the_o true_a one_o commission_v by_o god_n to_o instruct_v his_o people_n yet_o the_o protestant_n will_v not_o believe_v it_o nor_o submit_v their_o judgment_n to_o so_o authentik_a a_o authority_n nor_o hearken_v to_o the_o divine_a voice_n manifest_v itself_o by_o the_o clear_a sign_n and_o evidence_n that_o be_v consistent_a with_o the_o freedom_n merit_n and_o obscurity_n of_o christian_a faith_n whether_o this_o obstinacy_n be_v not_o heresy_n let_v the_o protestant_n themselves_o judge_v and_o examine_v whether_o to_o slight_v the_o testimony_n and_o sign_n of_o such_o a_o church_n be_v not_o a_o contempt_n of_o god_n veracity_n as_o suppose_v he_o can_v permit_v falsood_a to_o be_v so_o plausible_o father_v upon_o he_o as_o we_o see_v the_o roman_a catholic_a doctrine_n have_v be_v for_o so_o many_o age_n and_o throughout_o all_o part_n of_o the_o world_n chap._n vii_o of_o the_o ministry_n of_o the_o church_n and_o of_o the_o nullity_n of_o that_o of_o england_n as_o it_o be_v necessary_a that_o god_n church_n shall_v have_v visible_a sign_n whereby_o it_o may_v be_v discern_v from_o all_o heretical_a congregation_n so_o it_o be_v acknowledge_v that_o in_o the_o same_o there_o be_v a_o ministry_n caracterise_v with_o such_o public_a ceremony_n and_o authentik_a testimony_n that_o there_o can_v be_v no_o danger_n of_o counterfeit_v a_o mission_n or_o vocation_n so_o sacred_a in_o the_o christian_a church_n the_o minister_n be_v call_v bishop_n and_o priest_n both_o be_v consecrate_v by_o a_o real_a imposition_n of_o episcopal_a hand_n and_o other_o ceremony_n which_o have_v be_v practise_v in_o the_o church_n ever_o since_o the_o apostle_n from_o who_o by_o a_o continual_a succession_n the_o episcopal_a character_n must_v descend_v and_o be_v prove_v otherwise_o no_o credit_n be_v to_o be_v give_v to_o any_o person_n claim_v to_o be_v bishop_n of_o who_o ordination_n priesthood_n depend_v it_o be_v the_o misfortune_n of_o the_o
the_o help_n of_o the_o body_n and_o if_o it_o can_v act_v independent_o of_o the_o help_n of_o the_o body_n it_o may_v exist_v also_o without_o help_n of_o the_o same_o and_o so_o the_o soul_n be_v prove_v to_o be_v immortal_a or_o not_o to_o die_v with_o the_o body_n by_o its_o act_n in_o the_o body_n contrary_a to_o the_o dictamen_fw-la or_o appearance_n of_o our_o sense_n q._n methinks_v this_o argument_n only_o prove_v that_o the_o soul_n may_v act_v and_o by_o consequence_n exist_v independent_o of_o the_o body_n for_o some_o rhyme_n but_o prove_v not_o that_o it_o may_v exist_v for_o ever_o independent_o of_o the_o body_n and_o the_o immortality_n of_o the_o soul_n be_v not_o every_o existen_v â—ce_n but_o a_o everlasting_a existence_n independent_a of_o the_o boby_n a._n true_a it_o be_v that_o the_o immortality_n of_o the_o soul_n be_v a_o everlasting_a existence_n without_o necessity_n of_o the_o body_n help_n or_o support_v and_o as_o true_a it_o be_v that_o reason_n as_o soon_o as_o the_o soul_n know_v itself_o do_v direct_v it_o to_o desire_v and_o endeavour_v its_o own_o happiness_n which_o â—nuolues_v not_o only_o a_o perpetuity_n of_o existence_n but_o a_o everlasting_a felicity_n in_o the_o same_o existence_n that_o reason_n clear_a act_n after_o the_o soul_n know_v its_o own_o existence_n be_v to_o direct_v and_o inspire_v into_o the_o soul_n a_o desire_n and_o endeavour_n of_o its_o own_o happiness_n be_v manifest_v not_o only_o by_o that_o regret_n and_o remorse_n of_o conscience_n which_o man_n feel_v when_o they_o deviat_fw-la from_o the_o direction_n or_o dictamen_fw-la of_o reason_n but_o also_o by_o the_o love_n which_o man_n bear_v to_o themselves_o which_o love_n be_v confess_v to_o be_v most_o evident_o rational_a can_v not_o but_o be_v direct_v by_o the_o clear_a principle_n of_o reason_n wherefore_o this_o desire_n of_o the_o soul_n happiness_n be_v direct_v by_o the_o clear_a principle_n of_o reason_n can_v not_o be_v pretend_v to_o be_v a_o dream_n or_o delusion_n unless_o you_o will_v maintain_v that_o the_o clear_a reason_n be_v the_o great_a folly_n and_o by_o consequence_n destroy_v the_o fundamental_a ground_n of_o all_o human_a discourse_n and_o rational_a endeavour_n if_o therefore_o the_o soul_n desire_v of_o everlasting_a happiness_n be_v ground_v upon_o so_o clear_a a_o principle_n of_o reason_n this_o if_o it_o be_v not_o folly_n must_v have_v a_o real_a object_n whereunto_o we_o be_v direct_v and_o wherewith_o we_o may_v be_v satisfy_v without_o any_o possibility_n of_o mistake_n and_o if_o so_o it_o be_v as_o demonstrable_a that_o the_o soul_n be_v immortal_a as_o it_o be_v that_o the_o most_o rational_a desire_n and_o endeavour_n be_v not_o manifest_a folly_n and_o that_o the_o fundamental_a and_o experimental_a principle_n of_o reason_n can_v not_o be_v false_a or_o fallacious_a but_o if_o any_o one_o will_v be_v so_o mad_a as_o to_o grant_v that_o the_o first_o and_o fundamental_a principle_n of_o human_a reason_n be_v false_a and_o fallacious_a beside_o that_o herein_o he_o reflect_v upon_o god_n wisdom_n goodness_n and_o government_n wherewith_o such_o a_o supposition_n be_v not_o compatible_a he_o must_v grant_v that_o there_o be_v some_o other_o contrary_a fundamental_a principle_n true_a in_o opposition_n whereunto_o we_o be_v false_a and_o fallacious_a let_v he_o therefore_o produce_v they_o and_o maintain_v that_o it_o be_v reasonable_a in_o lieu_n of_o honour_v our_o parent_n to_o hate_v they_o in_o lieu_n of_o desire_v our_o happiness_n to_o wish_v our_o misery_n etc._n etc._n and_o if_o he_o can_v not_o produce_v any_o other_o beside_o these_o he_o can_v not_o think_v it_o reasonnable_a we_o shall_v credit_v these_o or_o fear_v ourselves_o can_v be_v mislead_v so_o long_o as_o we_o stick_v close_o to_o our_o own_o principle_n of_o reason_n and_o follow_v that_o light_n which_o shine_v and_o every_o man_n see_v in_o certain_a action_n necessary_o and_o natural_o assent_v unto_o and_o therefore_o common_a to_o all_o mankind_n chap._n iii_o of_o the_o worship_n of_o god_n and_o the_o sacrifice_n due_a to_o he_o q._n see_v you_o have_v prove_v that_o there_o be_v a_o god_n and_o that_o the_o soul_n be_v immortal_a i_o will_v willing_o know_v how_o god_n ought_v to_o be_v worship_v a._n god_n be_v the_o author_n of_o all_o good_a etc._n mr_n beacoz_n a_o learned_a protestant_n in_o his_o tratise_n entitle_v the_o reliâ—ues_n of_o rome_n edit_v 1560._o f._n 344_o say_v the_o mass_n be_v beget_v conceive_v and_o bear_v anon_o after_o the_o apostle_n time_n if_o all_o be_v true_a that_o historiographer_n write_v sebastianus_n francus_n a_o other_o learned_a protestant_n in_o his_o epistle_n for_o abrogate_a all_o â—he_n canon_n la_o say_v immediate_o after_o the_o apostle_n all_o thing_n be_v turn_v upside_o down_o etc._n etc._n the_o lord_n supper_n be_v trans_z form_v into_o a_o sacrifice_n mr_n ascham_n in_o his_o apology_n for_o the_o lord_n supper_n p._n 31._o do_v acknowledge_v that_o no_o beginning_n of_o this_o change_n can_v be_v chew_v the_o ancient_a rather_n call_v the_o mass_n the_o visible_a sacrifice_n the_o true_a sacrifice_n the_o daily_a sacrifice_n the_o sacrifice_n according_a to_o the_o order_n of_o melchisedech_n the_o sacrifice_n of_o the_o body_n and_o blood_n of_o christ_n the_o sacrifice_n of_o the_o altar_n the_o sacrifice_n of_o the_o church_n and_o the_o sacrifice_n of_o the_o new_a testament_n see_v st_n ignatius_n the_o apostle_n scholar_n in_o his_o epistle_n to_o the_o church_n of_o smirna_n st_o irenaeus_n l._n 4._o c._n 32._o of_o who_o the_o centurist_n say_v that_o he_o speak_v very_a in_o comodious_o when_o he_o say_v that_o christ_n tanght_n a_o new_a oblation_n which_o the_o church_n receive_v from_o the_o apostle_n do_v offer_v to_o god_n in_o all_o the_o world_n see_v cent._n c._n 4._o col_fw-fr 63._o and_o cent._n 2._o cap._n 10._o col_fw-fr 167._o they_o affirm_v st_n ignatius_n his_o word_n to_o be_v dangerous_a and_o quasi_fw-la errorum_fw-la semina_fw-la see_v also_o terrul_a ad_fw-la scapul_a cap._n 2._o origen_n in_o numer_n hom_n 23._o st_o cyprian_n lib._n 2._o &_o 3._o vers_fw-la fin_fw-fr st_o ambrlib_a 5._o ep._n 33._o missam_fw-la facere_fw-la coepit_fw-la etc._n etc._n st_o leo_n ep._n 81._o ad_fw-la dioscor_fw-la st_o august_n term_n 91._o de_fw-fr temp._n &_o lib._n 9_o confess_v cap._n 12._o &_o in_o enchird_n cap._n 110._o etc._n etc._n say_v that_o the_o sacrifice_n of_o our_o price_n be_v offer_v for_o his_o mother_n monica_n be_v dead_a and_o that_o it_o be_v not_o to_o be_v doubt_v but_o that_o the_o soul_n of_o the_o dead_a be_v relieve_v when_o for_o they_o be_v offer_v the_o sacrifice_n of_o our_o mediator_n etc._n etc._n the_o only_a beginning_n and_o cause_n of_o our_o existence_n the_o end_n and_o hope_n of_o our_o happiness_n it_o be_v fit_a we_o exhibit_v unto_o he_o the_o great_a honour_n we_o can_v not_o only_o every_o one_o in_o particular_a by_o a_o inward_a submission_n of_o our_o soul_n acknowledge_v his_o infinite_a excellency_n and_o our_o own_o nothing_o and_o imperfection_n but_o also_o by_o a_o outward_a offering_n or_o oblation_n of_o some_o visible_a thing_n that_o ought_v to_o be_v consume_v or_o change_v thereby_o to_o own_o god_n infinite_a power_n and_o dominion_n over_o his_o creature_n and_o consecrate_v to_o his_o divine_a majesty_n by_o a_o solemn_a ceremony_n and_o public_a minister_n this_o way_n of_o worship_n be_v call_v a_o sacrifice_n and_o the_o public_a minister_n who_o offer_v it_o be_v call_v a_o priest_n it_o have_v be_v practise_v since_o the_o begin_n of_o the_o world_n as_o appear_v in_o the_o sacrifice_n of_o abel_n no_o melchisedech_n abraham_n isaac_n jacob_n job._n and_o other_o in_o the_o law_n of_o nature_n and_o in_o the_o write_a law_n of_o moses_n great_a part_n thereof_o be_v nothing_o but_o rule_n and_o ceremony_n concern_v the_o manner_n of_o sacrifice_v and_o the_o habit_n and_o method_n which_o the_o priest_n ought_v to_o observe_v in_o perform_v that_o public_a ministry_n q._n what_o be_v the_o sacrifice_n of_o the_o christian_n or_o of_o the_o law_n of_o grace_n a._n it_o be_v the_o sacrifice_n of_o christ_n body_n and_o blood_n offer_v for_o the_o live_n and_o for_o the_o dead_a under_o the_o species_n or_o appearance_n of_o bread_n and_o wine_n and_o be_v common_o call_v the_o mass_n q._n be_v not_o the_o sacrifice_n of_o christ_n body_n and_o blood_n as_o it_o be_v offer_v upon_o the_o cross_n the_o proper_a sacrifice_n of_o christian_n or_o of_o the_o catholic_a church_n a._n it_o be_v the_o most_o excellent_a sacrifice_n that_o ever_o be_v offer_v nay_o all_o other_o sacrifice_n in_o the_o law_n of_o nature_n of_o moses_n and_o of_o grace_n do_v and_o do_v derive_v their_o virtue_n and_o efficaciousness_n from_o the_o sacrifice_n of_o the_o cross_n but_o because_o
be_v a_o prudent_a or_o pious_a act_n without_o see_v seeim_v supernatural_a sign_n so_o obvious_a to_o all_o kind_n of_o people_n that_o they_o may_v if_o reflect_v upon_o exclude_v all_o prudent_a doubt_n of_o our_o be_v mistake_v because_o they_o must_v dispose_v we_o to_o fix_v our_o thought_n so_o firm_o upon_o god_n goodness_n and_o veracity_n that_o we_o assent_n with_o great_a assurance_n to_o what_o the_o church_n say_v and_o its_o sign_n show_v than_o if_o we_o have_v see_v it_o not_o because_o the_o church_n say_v it_o or_o because_o the_o sign_n confirm_v its_o testimony_n but_o because_o we_o rationa_o judge_v it_o impossible_a that_o god_n will_v permit_v such_o a_o appearance_n and_o testimony_n to_o be_v false_o father_v upon_o himself_o or_o permit_v we_o to_o be_v deceive_v by_o sign_n so_o likely_a to_o be_v supernatural_a q._n how_o can_v a_o certainty_n only_o moral_a of_o god_n be_v the_o author_n of_o the_o commission_n and_o doctrine_n of_o the_o church_n be_v a_o solid_a and_o sufficient_a ground_n for_o act_n of_o christian_a faith_n whereby_o we_o believe_v without_o the_o least_o doubt_n and_o by_o consequence_n with_o more_o than_o moral_a certainty_n or_o assurance_n that_o god_n be_v author_n of_o the_o commission_n and_o doctrine_n of_o the_o church_n how_o can_v any_o prudent_a act_n of_o our_o understanding_n assent_v to_o more_o than_o it_o do_v see_v or_o assent_v with_o great_a assurance_n than_o there_o be_v appearance_n of_o the_o truth_n a_o intellectual_a act_n or_o assent_v be_v a_o intellectual_a sight_n of_o the_o truth_n of_o the_o object_n to_o say_v therefore_o that_o by_o act_n of_o faith_n we_o assent_v to_o more_o than_o we_o see_v or_o with_o great_a assurance_n than_o there_o be_v appearance_n of_o the_o truth_n be_v as_o much_o as_o to_o say_v that_o by_o act_n of_o faith_n we_o see_v more_o than_o we_o see_v and_o believe_v more_o firm_o than_o we_o can_v a._n the_o answer_n of_o this_o objection_n be_v that_o assent_n be_v no_o more_o than_o a_o interior_a yield_v a_o thing_n to_o be_v as_o dissent_n be_v a_o interior_a deny_v it_o to_o be_v the_o assent_n of_o the_o mind_n be_v not_o always_o a_o intellectual_a sight_n of_o the_o truth_n of_o its_o object_n it_o be_v not_o always_o the_o same_o thing_n in_o the_o soul_n to_o say_v a_o thing_n be_v so_o and_o to_o see_v it_o be_v so_o for_o if_o these_o two_o be_v the_o same_o the_o soul_n can_v never_o assent_v or_o rely_v upon_o authority_n nor_o be_v mistake_v in_o any_o assent_n because_o it_o be_v never_o mistake_v in_o its_o sight_n of_o the_o truth_n beside_o this_o opinion_n that_o confound_v the_o assent_n of_o faith_n with_o the_o sight_n of_o the_o truth_n whether_o it_o be_v in_o proper_a cause_n or_o by_o its_o connexion_n with_o the_o evidence_n of_o god_n revelation_n take_v away_o the_o obscurity_n liberty_n and_o merit_n of_o christian_a faith_n because_o a_o clear_a sight_n of_o the_o truth_n by_o whatsoever_o mean_v it_o come_v be_v not_o compatible_a with_o those_o attribute_n st_o paul_n tell_v we_o that_o faith_n be_v a_o argument_n of_o thing_n not_o appear_v and_o sure_o if_o they_o do_v not_o appear_v by_o faith_n they_o be_v not_o see_v by_o a_o act_n of_o faith_n more_o a_o great_a proportion_n of_o the_o supernaturality_n of_o faith_n and_o of_o its_o merit_n consist_v in_o over_o come_v the_o difficulty_n we_o find_v not_o only_o in_o examine_v the_o motive_n and_o in_o adhere_v with_o the_o will_n but_o in_o assent_v with_o the_o understanding_n to_o the_o truth_n and_o to_o the_o existence_n of_o its_o revelation_n as_o to_o that_o of_o the_o trinity_n incarnation_n etc._n etc._n but_o if_o our_o assent_n of_o faith_n be_v a_o intellectual_a sight_n of_o the_o truth_n or_o of_o the_o existence_n of_o divine_a revelation_n of_o those_o mystery_n such_o a_o assent_n can_v not_o involve_v nor_o we_o find_v therein_o any_o intellectual_a difficulty_n for_o what_o intellectual_a difficulty_n can_v there_o be_v in_o say_v inward_o it_o be_v so_o if_o we_o see_v it_o be_v so_o there_o be_v rather_o a_o necessity_n in_o such_o a_o case_n of_o say_v it_o be_v so_o faith_n be_v so_o far_o from_o be_v a_o intellectual_a sight_n of_o the_o verity_n believe_v or_o assent_v unto_o that_o the_o less_o clear_o you_o see_v the_o truth_n or_o the_o revelation_n credit_v so_o it_o be_v prudent_o credible_a the_o great_a your_o faith_n be_v therefore_o christ_n reproach_v st_n thomas_n for_o not_o believe_v the_o resurrection_n until_o he_o have_v see_v with_o his_o eye_n christ_n resuscitate_v 20._o â—oan_n 20._o and_o tell_v he_o they_o be_v happy_a that_o believe_v and_o do_v not_o see_v what_o they_o believe_v now_o the_o reason_n why_o faith_n and_o sight_n or_o knowledge_n be_v so_o opposite_a be_v because_o the_o nature_n and_o notion_n of_o faith_n be_v to_o supply_v and_o by_o consequence_n it_o do_v suppose_v the_o want_n of_o sight_n or_o knowledge_n hence_o it_o be_v that_o many_o say_v faith_n and_o knowledge_n be_v no_o more_o consistent_a one_o with_o the_o other_o than_o the_o want_n and_o not_o want_v of_o the_o same_o thing_n and_o indeed_o this_o notion_n of_o faith_n be_v well_o ground_v because_o experience_n do_v convince_v and_o all_o confess_v our_o human_a nature_n to_o be_v so_o imperfect_a that_o it_o stand_v in_o need_n of_o christian_a faith_n to_o supply_v the_o want_n of_o knowledge_n touch_v divine_a mystery_n and_o even_o in_o worldly_a affair_n we_o must_v in_o most_o rely_v for_o want_n of_o clear_a knowledge_n upon_o the_o authority_n and_o testimony_n of_o lawful_a witness_n and_o take_v their_o word_n for_o legal_a evidence_n which_o as_o it_o be_v a_o sufficient_a proof_n of_o what_o they_o testify_v so_o be_v it_o a_o demonstration_n of_o the_o imperfection_n of_o our_o understanding_n and_o that_o most_o of_o our_o human_a assent_n and_o judicial_a sentence_n be_v not_o intellectual_a sight_n of_o the_o truth_n itself_o but_o humble_a submission_n to_o the_o authority_n and_o knowledge_n of_o other_o which_o we_o believe_v though_o for_o aught_o we_o evident_o know_v we_o may_v be_v misinform_v by_o their_o mistake_n or_o malice_n but_o the_o supernatural_a sign_n of_o the_o catholic_a church_n do_v shine_v so_o clear_o upon_o the_o same_o that_o not_o any_o who_o reflect_v upon_o they_o and_o rely_v upon_o god_n veracity_n can_v prudent_o entertain_v the_o least_o fear_n or_o doubt_v of_o be_v mistake_v in_o its_o authority_n or_o mislead_v by_o its_o doctrine_n notwithstanding_o that_o we_o do_v not_o clear_o see_v the_o divine_a trust_n of_o the_o church_n or_o the_o infallible_a truth_n of_o its_o tenet_n but_o though_o the_o assent_n of_o christian_a faith_n be_v not_o a_o intellectual_a sight_n of_o the_o truth_n reveal_v or_o of_o the_o divine_a revelation_n it_o do_v suppose_v at_o least_o in_o our_o predecessor_n sensation_n or_o a_o intellectual_a sight_n of_o some_o seem_o supernatural_a sign_n which_o be_v credible_o report_v to_o we_o by_o tradition_n be_v sufficient_a to_o gain_v so_o much_o credit_n and_o authority_n for_o the_o church_n wherein_o they_o appear_v as_o that_o whoever_o do_v not_o believe_v its_o testimony_n and_o assent_v or_o yield_v not_o to_o its_o doctrine_n as_o divine_a be_v just_o condemn_v by_o christ_n himself_o in_o his_o last_o word_n to_o the_o apostle_n 16._o marc._n 16._o v._n 16._o and_o therefore_o tell_v they_o that_o his_o church_n shall_v have_v visible_a and_o supernatural_a sign_n whereby_o it_o may_v be_v easy_o discern_v from_o all_o heretical_a assembly_n some_o whereof_o he_o specify_v as_o power_n to_o cast_v out_o devil_n to_o cure_v disease_n to_o speak_v unknowen_a language_n to_o rid_v people_n of_o serpent_n these_o beside_o other_o relate_v in_o scripture_n as_o the_o conversion_n of_o nation_n to_o christianity_n the_o continual_a succession_n and_o sanctity_n of_o doctrine_n and_o doctor_n the_o spirit_n of_o profecy_n and_o many_o such_o miraculous_a mark_n join_v with_o profound_a humility_n and_o eminent_a virtue_n be_v so_o far_o above_o all_o heathen_n and_o heretic_n pretend_v morality_n and_o sanctity_n that_o when_o their_o saint_n be_v compare_v with_o canonize_a catholics_n they_o appear_v to_o be_v but_o hypocritical_a sycophant_n puff_v up_o with_o that_o secret_a pride_n so_o proper_a to_o all_o sectary_n prefer_v their_o own_o private_a interpretation_n of_o scripture_n before_o the_o public_a sense_n and_o practice_v of_o a_o visible_a and_o miraculous_a church_n we_o conclude_v therefore_o that_o a_o assent_n of_o christian_a faith_n be_v not_o a_o intellectual_a sight_n of_o the_o truth_n reveal_v nor_o of_o the_o revelation_n and_o yet_o the_o faithful_a do_v assent_v to_o both_o with_o no_o less_o assurance_n than_o if_o it_o have_v be_v a_o clear_a sight_n of_o both_o because_o every_o
in_o overcome_v this_o last_o great_a difficulty_n consist_v chief_o the_o supernaturality_n which_o be_v most_o peculiar_a to_o the_o act_n of_o faith_n heretic_n therefore_o may_v be_v convict_v of_o obstinacy_n and_o heresy_n though_o they_o do_v not_o clear_o see_v nor_o we_o evident_o conclude_v by_o tradition_n or_o any_o thing_n else_o that_o god_n reveal_v what_o they_o deny_v or_o doubt_v of_o and_o the_o church_n propose_v as_o reveal_v by_o he_o for_o heresy_n do_v not_o consist_v in_o a_o impossibility_n but_o it_o will_v be_v one_o if_o it_o be_v requisite_a that_o learned_a heretic_n be_v obstinate_a against_o a_o clear_a and_o conclusive_a evidence_n of_o god_n have_v reveal_v what_o they_o deny_v or_o doubt_v of_o how_o can_v any_o passion_n or_o pride_n blind_v a_o learned_a heretik_a if_o it_o deprive_v he_o not_o whole_o of_o his_o wit_n and_o then_o he_o can_v not_o sin_n or_o be_v a_o heretik_a so_o far_o as_o to_o make_v he_o deny_v or_o doubt_v of_o what_o he_o see_v evident_o conclude_v god_n say_v or_o reveal_v that_o be_v to_o deny_v god_n be_v god_n or_o the_o existence_n of_o a_o deity_n a_o learned_a heretik_a therefore_o can_v not_o be_v better_o or_o more_o clear_o convict_v of_o heretical_a obstinacy_n than_o by_o our_o evident_o conclude_v against_o he_o that_o he_o be_v oblige_v in_o conscience_n to_o avoid_v the_o threaten_a danger_n of_o damnation_n if_o he_o do_v not_o believe_v the_o church_n who_o testimony_n be_v confirm_v with_o miracle_n to_o assent_v to_o that_o doctrine_n as_o divine_a which_o be_v deliver_v by_o catholic_a tradition_n and_o confirm_v by_o the_o motive_n of_o credibility_n though_o it_o be_v not_o clear_o evident_a that_o its_o doctrine_n be_v divine_a or_o its_o tradition_n infallible_a more_o of_o this_o hereafter_o now_o i_o will_v prove_v the_o evident_a obligation_n all_o man_n who_o be_v inform_v of_o our_o faith_n have_v to_o believe_v the_o doctrine_n of_o the_o roman_a catholic_a church_n as_o divine_a as_o also_o how_o they_o be_v oblige_v in_o conscience_n to_o inform_v themselves_o thereof_o chap._n v._o how_o the_o miracle_n of_o the_o roman_a church_n evident_o convict_v all_o its_o adversary_n of_o damnable_a obstinacy_n and_o how_o a_o credible_a report_n of_o they_o oblige_v all_o man_n to_o inform_v themselves_o of_o those_o miracle_n and_o doctrine_n confirm_v by_o they_o and_o that_o of_o all_o christian_a congregation_n the_o roman_a catholik_n alone_o be_v the_o true_a catholic_a church_n q._n suppose_v the_o catholic_a church_n can_v not_o be_v compose_v of_o all_o or_o any_o two_o congregation_n dissent_v in_o the_o least_o point_n of_o doctrine_n as_o have_v be_v prove_v in_o the_o precedent_a chapter_n i_o desire_v to_o know_v which_o of_o they_o all_o be_v that_o one_o true_a catholic_a church_n we_o ought_v to_o believe_v according_a to_o that_o article_n of_o the_o apostle_n creed_n i_o believe_v in_o the_o holy_a catholic_a church_n and_o out_o of_o which_o there_o be_v no_o salvation_n a._n you_o know_v the_o true_a catholic_a church_n be_v only_o that_o congregation_n of_o christian_n which_o have_v the_o sign_n christ_n say_v marc._n 16._o shall_v follow_v the_o true_a believer_n and_o that_o those_o sign_n be_v the_o cast_v out_o of_o devil_n not_o by_o conjure_v but_o in_o the_o name_n of_o christ_n the_o gift_n of_o tongue_n the_o conversion_n of_o nation_n to_o christianity_n the_o cure_n of_o disease_n raise_v of_o the_o dead_a and_o other_o supernatural_a mark_n of_o god_n trust_n and_o truth_n commit_v only_o to_o the_o ministry_n of_o that_o church_n and_o by_o which_o mark_n iâ—_n must_v be_v discern_v from_o all_o false_a congregation_n pretend_v to_o be_v either_o the_o whole_a or_o a_o part_n of_o the_o catholic_a church_n q._n out_o of_o your_o discourse_n i_o gather_v that_o all_o the_o mark_n of_o the_o true_a catholic_a church_n be_v reduce_v to_o miracle_n because_o supernatural_a sanctity_n the_o conversion_n of_o nation_n to_o christianity_n the_o gift_n of_o profecy_n etc._n etc._n be_v as_o great_a miracle_n as_o the_o cast_v out_o of_o devil_n cure_v disease_n raise_v the_o dead_a and_o the_o gift_n of_o tongue_n but_o it_o be_v a_o common_a say_n among_o protestant_n that_o miracle_n be_v cease_v in_o the_o church_n and_o some_o catholics_n grant_v they_o be_v so_o few_o and_o wrought_v in_o those_o remote_a region_n of_o japan_n and_o china_n that_o you_o can_v hardly_o meet_v with_o one_o who_o do_v ever_o see_v a_o miracle_n how_o therefore_o can_v miracle_n be_v the_o mark_n whereby_o every_o man_n may_v be_v direct_v to_o know_v the_o true_a catholic_a church_n if_o few_o or_o none_o see_v they_o a._n i_o grant_v that_o all_o the_o mark_n of_o the_o catholic_a church_n must_v be_v miraculous_a otherwise_o they_o be_v not_o fit_a motive_n for_o prudent_a man_n to_o submit_v their_o judgment_n to_o the_o testimony_n or_o ministry_n of_o that_o church_n as_o to_o the_o church_n of_o god_n but_o miracle_n be_v not_o cease_v nor_o confine_v to_o those_o remote_a region_n of_o japan_n and_o china_n there_o be_v not_o a_o catholic_a nation_n in_o the_o world_n which_o do_v not_o show_v some_o thing_n at_o least_o so_o like_o supernatural_a miracle_n that_o as_o wise_a and_o wary_a man_n as_o any_o in_o christendom_n believe_v they_o to_o be_v so_o and_o such_o protestant_n as_o pretend_v they_o be_v not_o can_v not_o with_o any_o probability_n show_v that_o the_o matter_n of_o fact_n be_v false_a or_o that_o the_o manner_n of_o work_v they_o be_v fraudulent_a or_o natural_a see_v therefore_o christ_n himself_o assure_v we_o that_o supernatural_a miracle_n shall_v follow_v the_o true_a believer_n and_o that_o until_o the_o end_n of_o the_o world_n there_o will_v be_v true_a believer_n and_o by_o consequence_n a_o catholic_a church_n we_o be_v bind_v in_o conscience_n to_o believe_v that_o only_o be_v the_o true_a church_n wherein_o we_o see_v or_o at_o least_o hear_v credible_o report_v there_o be_v true_a miracle_n or_o thing_n so_o like_o true_a miracle_n that_o as_o wise_a and_o as_o wary_a man_n as_o any_o in_o the_o world_n after_o a_o severe_a scrutiny_n and_o serious_a study_n mistake_v they_o for_o true_a miracle_n notwithstanding_o they_o know_v that_o upon_o their_o not_o be_v mistake_v in_o so_o important_a a_o matter_n do_v depend_v their_o everlasting_a happiness_n or_o misery_n miracle_n dr_n downham_n in_o hiâ—_n treatise_n of_o antichrist_n l._n 1._o c._n 9_o pag._n 111._o say_v neither_o turk_n nor_o jews_n nor_o any_o other_o church_n of_o christian_n but_o only_o the_o pope_n and_o church_n of_o rome_n do_v vaunt_v of_o miracle_n q._n be_v there_o but_o one_o congregation_n of_o christian_n that_o pretend_v to_o such_o miracle_n a._n no._n q._n which_o be_v that_o a._n the_o roman_a catholic_n q._n if_o all_o other_o christian_a congregation_n be_v against_o the_o roman_n catholik_n and_o that_o in_o every_o christian_a congregation_n there_o be_v as_o wise_a and_o wary_a man_n and_o as_o willing_a to_o be_v save_v as_o any_o roman_a catholik_o why_o shall_v any_o man_n be_v bind_v in_o conscience_n to_o believe_v the_o roman_n catholik_n miracle_n be_v true_a when_o as_o great_a or_o a_o great_a number_n of_o wise_a and_o learned_a man_n do_v maintain_v they_o be_v not_o true_a miracle_n a._n when_o learned_a party_n agree_v in_o the_o fact_n of_o a_o accident_n so_o extraordinary_a that_o no_o natural_a cause_n thereof_o after_o diligent_a scarch_n can_v be_v know_v but_o seem_v to_o be_v above_o the_o power_n of_o all_o natural_a cause_n and_o human_a industry_n doubtless_o the_o party_n which_o believe_v the_o fact_n to_o be_v supernatural_a or_o a_o miracle_n deserve_v to_o be_v credit_v before_o all_o which_o contradict_v the_o same_o and_o can_v give_v no_o good_a reason_n for_o their_o contradiction_n 1._o because_o in_o some_o christian_a congregation_n or_o other_o there_o must_v be_v true_a miracle_n otherwise_o christ_n word_n marc._n 16._o can_v not_o be_v verify_v and_o see_v no_o other_o christian_a congregation_n but_o the_o roman_n catholik_n pretend_v at_o least_o upon_o so_o public_a and_o probable_a ground_n to_o have_v true_a miracle_n the_o roman_n catholik_n be_v to_o be_v credit_v in_o this_o point_n before_o all_o other_o 2._o it_o be_v not_o consistent_a with_o god_n infinite_a veracity_n to_o permit_v so_o public_a and_o probable_a a_o appearance_n of_o true_a miracle_n for_o confirm_v falsood_a as_o the_o appearance_n of_o miracle_n in_o the_o roman_a catholic_a church_n be_v for_o that_o veracity_n be_v a_o inclination_n to_o truth_n and_o a_o aversion_n from_o falsood_a and_o by_o consequence_n the_o divine_a veracity_n be_v infinite_a involue_v a_o infinite_a aversion_n from_o falsood_n but_o a_o infinite_a aversion_n from_o falsood_n be_v not_o consistent_a with_o god_n permission_n of_o so_o probable_a
you_o pretend_v to_o have_v in_o your_o church_n and_o for_o confirmation_n of_o the_o doctrine_n wherein_o you_o differ_v from_o we_o but_o i_o pray_v let_v they_o be_v miracle_n like_o those_o of_o christ_n for_o i_o will_v not_o believe_v any_o other_o i_o give_v you_o this_o caution_n for_o fear_v you_o shall_v trouble_v i_o with_o mother_n julianas_n fit_n and_o one_o finaghtye_n trik_v wherewith_o he_o delude_v the_o common_a people_n here_o in_o england_n and_o ireland_n where_o that_o man_n miracle_n as_o i_o hear_v be_v mighty_o cry_v up_o a._n sir_n you_o have_v reason_n to_o expect_v i_o shall_v relate_v unto_o you_o miracle_n like_o those_o of_o christ_n see_v himself_o have_v say_v john_n 14.22_o confirmatam_fw-la luther_n to_o 7._o l._n de_fw-fr judaeis_n etc._n etc._n fol._n 210._o a_o deo_fw-la didicimus_fw-la &_o accepimê°_n aeternum_fw-la verbum_fw-la &_o veritatem_fw-la dei_fw-la hactenus_fw-la mille_fw-la quingentio_fw-la annis_fw-la miraculis_fw-la &_o signis_fw-la confessam_fw-la &_o confirmatam_fw-la he_o that_o believe_v in_o i_o the_o work_n that_o i_o do_v he_o shall_v do_v and_o great_a which_o word_n not_o only_a luther_n the_o first_o protestant_a reformer_n but_o your_o english_a bibles_n edit_n 1576._o in_o the_o marginal_a note_n refer_v to_o the_o whole_a body_n of_o the_o church_n in_o who_o this_o virtue_n do_v shine_v for_o ever_o though_o i_o must_v confess_v both_o luther_n and_o our_o english_a protestant_n writer_n contradict_v themselves_o again_o in_o this_o particular_a as_o all_o man_n must_v who_o maintain_v error_n and_o say_v when_o we_o press_v they_o to_o relate_v some_o of_o their_o miracle_n that_o miracle_n be_v now_o superfluous_a and_o therefore_o none_o wrought_v in_o the_o church_n but_o i_o shall_v deal_v so_o impartia_o with_o protestant_n in_o this_o matter_n that_o i_o will_v not_o mention_v any_o miracle_n for_o confirmation_n of_o the_o roman_a catholic_a church_n and_o doctrine_n which_o the_o best_a protestant_a writer_n themselves_o do_v not_o confess_v to_o be_v miracle_n though_o other_o of_o they_o attribute_v the_o work_n thereof_o to_o the_o power_n of_o beelzebub_n as_o the_o obstinate_a jew_n do_v of_o christ_n and_o that_o for_o no_o other_o reason_n but_o because_o the_o miracle_n be_v wrought_v by_o papist_n and_o to_o confirm_v popery_n as_o for_o finaghtye_n miracle_n i_o make_v it_o my_o business_n to_o inquire_v after_o they_o and_o he_o also_o and_o do_v find_v that_o so_o soon_o as_o he_o begin_v to_o work_v his_o miracle_n the_o popish_a archbishop_n of_o tuam_fw-la in_o ireland_n who_o be_v his_o ordinary_n question_v he_o for_o that_o presumption_n and_o find_v he_o both_o ignorant_a and_o obstinate_a he_o forbid_v he_o the_o further_o tempt_v of_o god_n and_o scandalize_a the_o church_n by_o his_o foolish_a attempt_n but_o the_o man_n zeal_n or_o vanity_n prevail_a more_o upon_o his_o spirit_n than_o his_o superior_n command_n he_o continue_v his_o ridiculous_a course_n and_o thereupon_o be_v command_v out_o of_o the_o archbishop_n province_n after_o that_o vigilant_a prelate_n death_n finaghty_n lurk_v for_o some_o time_n in_o other_o place_n come_v into_o england_n and_o from_o thence_o return_v to_o dublin_n where_o he_o play_v the_o fool_n with_o breathe_v and_o beat_v the_o devil_n in_o good_a earnest_n one_o stanton_n a_o other_o mad_a priest_n of_o his_o country_n print_v many_o of_o his_o rash_a attempt_n for_o great_a miracle_n finaghty_n after_o that_o his_o manner_n of_o exorcism_n have_v hin_a examine_v and_o find_v to_o be_v different_a from_o those_o of_o the_o church_n and_o his_o dispossess_v of_o devil_n to_o be_v without_o any_o visible_a mark_n or_o sign_n of_o the_o devil_n possession_n or_o at_o least_o departure_n be_v silence_v by_o the_o clergy_n of_o dublin_n and_o command_v out_o of_o that_o province_n from_o thence_o he_o go_v to_o his_o own_o conaght_n and_o fall_v again_o to_o his_o old_a miracle_n he_o be_v by_o the_o popish_a bishop_n of_o elfin_n deprive_v of_o his_o general_a vicarship_n and_o that_o extraordinary_a respect_n forget_v which_o the_o simplicity_n of_o the_o people_n have_v offer_v to_o his_o suppose_a sanctity_n by_o who_o now_o he_o be_v much_o slight_v my_o charity_n incline_v i_o to_o believe_v that_o his_o great_a fault_n be_v folly_n and_o that_o he_o be_v more_o cheat_v by_o the_o devil_n than_o so_o simple_a a_o man_n can_v design_n to_o cheat_v other_o i_o have_v be_v more_o diffuse_v upon_o this_o subject_n than_o you_o may_v think_v it_o deserve_v because_o the_o world_n may_v be_v satisfy_v none_o suspect_v the_o truth_n of_o miracle_n nor_o correct_v the_o foolish_a pretender_n of_o work_v they_o more_o than_o we_o roman_a catholik_o it_o be_v one_o of_o the_o great_a care_n of_o our_o bishop_n and_o pastor_n to_o prevent_v such_o imposture_n and_o to_o punish_v the_o impostor_n and_o this_o have_v be_v the_o continual_a practice_n of_o our_o church_n ever_o since_o the_o begin_n of_o christianity_n q._n you_o have_v give_v i_o great_a satisfaction_n by_o your_o relation_n and_o opinion_n of_o finaghty_n and_o his_o miracle_n if_o they_o have_v not_o be_v so_o soon_o and_o sesonable_o condemn_v by_o his_o own_o party_n i_o shall_v suspect_v that_o all_o your_o other_o miracle_n report_v in_o legend_n and_o saint_n life_n be_v of_o the_o same_o nature_n but_o now_o i_o see_v that_o miracle_n which_o be_v never_o contradict_v or_o suspect_v by_o yourselves_o be_v credible_a i_o pray_v therefore_o relate_v those_o which_o you_o say_v be_v confess_v or_o allow_v of_o by_o the_o learned_a protestant_n and_o yet_o confirm_v your_o doctrine_n in_o opposition_n to_o they_o sect_n i._o the_o conversion_n of_o the_o heathen_a king_n and_o nation_n from_o paganism_n to_o christianity_n and_o popery_n be_v a_o evident_a miracle_n and_o mark_n of_o the_o truth_n of_o the_o roman_a catholic_a church_n and_o doctrine_n in_o opposition_n to_o that_o of_o all_o protestant_a reformation_n it_o be_v continuance_n even_o from_o the_o apostle_n to_o this_o present_a demonstrate_v as_o also_o the_o impossibility_n of_o its_o pretend_a insensible_a change_n the_o great_a of_o all_o miracle_n it_o be_v the_o end_n for_o which_o they_o have_v be_v wrought_v and_o the_o christian_a church_n institute_v be_v the_o conversion_n of_o the_o heathen_a king_n and_o nation_n to_o christianity_n if_o therefore_o it_o be_v prove_v that_o all_o the_o heathen_a king_n and_o nation_n which_o have_v be_v convert_v from_o paganism_n to_o christianity_n be_v convert_v to_o no_o other_o but_o to_o that_o christianity_n which_o protestant_n call_v popery_n and_o that_o the_o say_v conversion_n be_v perform_v by_o know_v papist_n and_o confess_v miracle_n our_o adversary_n must_v acknowledge_v that_o the_o roman_n catholik_n church_n and_o it_o alone_o be_v the_o true_a church_n of_o god_n otherwise_o it_o will_v follow_v that_o christ_n institute_v his_o church_n to_o no_o purpose_n and_o that_o his_o design_n and_o desire_v of_o the_o conversion_n of_o nation_n and_o save_v their_o soul_n come_v to_o nothing_o nay_o it_o will_v follow_v that_o christ_n be_v not_o the_o messiah_n to_o who_o doctrine_n and_o church_n as_o the_o scripture_n and_o prophet_n foretell_v all_o nation_n shall_v flow_v and_o their_o king_n minister_n the_o multitude_n of_o the_o sea_n shall_v be_v convert_v the_o isle_n shall_v wait_v for_o and_o the_o heathen_n be_v its_o inheritance_n and_o the_o end_n of_o the_o earth_n its_o possession_n all_o this_o the_o protestant_n themselves_o confess_v to_o be_v prophesy_v of_o the_o true_a christian_a church_n as_o you_o may_v see_v in_o their_o marginal_a note_n upon_o the_o english_a bible_n edit_n 1576._o in_o esay_n 60._o vers_fw-la ult_n and_o in_o daniel_n 2._o vers_fw-la 45._o this_o argument_n make_v so_o great_a impression_n upon_o many_o of_o the_o most_o learned_a protestant_a writer_n who_o have_v resolve_v not_o to_o be_v papist_n that_o some_o of_o they_o turn_v jew_n other_o atheist_n other_o turk_n as_o bernardin_n ochin_n sebastian_n castalio_n david_n george_n adam_n neuserus_fw-la allemanus_n and_o other_o q._n sir_n though_o i_o doubt_v not_o of_o your_o sincere_a deal_n yet_o i_o must_v not_o take_v upon_o your_o single_a credit_n that_o learned_a protestant_n can_v turn_v turk_n and_o jew_n upon_o the_o score_n you_o mention_v a._n sir_n i_o hope_v you_o will_v believe_v themselves_o read_v bernardin_n ochins_n preface_n to_o his_o dialogue_n wherein_o you_o will_v find_v these_o word_n when_o i_o do_v consider_v how_o christ_n by_o his_o power_n wisdom_n and_o goodness_n have_v found_v and_o establish_v his_o church_n etc._n etc._n and_o again_o discern_v how_o the_o same_o be_v utter_o overthrow_v i_o can_v not_o but_o wonder_n and_o be_v desirous_a to_o know_v the_o cause_n i_o find_v there_o have_v be_v pope_n from_o this_o conceit_n of_o the_o pope_n prevail_a against_o christ_n church_n
he_o conclude_v there_o have_v be_v no_o such_o thing_n as_o christ_n divinity_n and_o proceed_v to_o teach_v circumcision_n and_o polygamy_n and_o at_o length_n come_v to_o be_v a_o impure_a apostata_fw-la as_o the_o famous_a beza_n do_v term_v he_o in_o his_o treatise_n de_fw-fr poligam_n pag._n 4._o impurus_fw-la ille_fw-la apostata_fw-la bernardinus_fw-la ochinus_n read_v likewise_o sebastian_n castalios_n '_o own_v word_n in_o his_o preface_n of_o the_o great_a latin_a bible_n dedicate_v to_o king_n eduard_n 6._o which_o be_v the_o more_o i_o do_v peruse_v the_o scripture_n the_o less_o do_v i_o find_v the_o same_o he_o mean_v the_o profecy_n of_o the_o conversion_n of_o king_n and_o nation_n perform_v howsoever_o you_o understand_v the_o same_o profecy_n david_n george_n say_v the_o protestant_a divine_n of_o basil_n in_o their_o history_n of_o he_o edit_n 1568._o discourse_v thus_o if_o the_o doctrine_n of_o christ_n and_o his_o apostle_n have_v be_v true_a and_o perfect_a the_o church_n which_o they_o plant_v etc._n etc._n shall_v have_v continue_v etc._n etc._n but_o now_o it_o be_v manifest_a that_o antichrist_n have_v subvert_v the_o doctrine_n of_o the_o apostle_n and_o the_o church_n by_o they_o begin_v as_o be_v evident_a in_o the_o papacy_n therefore_o the_o doctrine_n of_o the_o apostle_n be_v false_a and_o imperfect_a and_o so_o this_o protestant_n apostle_n of_o basil_n by_o reflect_v upon_o the_o fundamental_a principle_n of_o the_o reformation_n which_o be_v a_o supposition_n that_o the_o true_a church_n and_o doctrine_n have_v be_v invisible_a or_o destroy_v for_o many_o age_n by_o popery_n become_v a_o blasphemous_a apostate_n affirm_v that_o our_o saviour_n be_v a_o seducer_n in_o like_a manner_n adam_n neuserus_fw-la the_o chief_a pastor_n of_o heidelberg_n turn_v turk_n and_o be_v circumcise_v at_o constantinople_n see_v osiander_n in_o his_o epitome_n centur._n 16._o pag._n 818._o the_o like_a fate_n have_v alemannus_n beza_n his_o bosom_n friend_n as_o conradus_n schlusserburg_n say_v in_o theol._n caluin_n fol._n 9_o and_o beza_n confess_v ep_v 65._o pag._n 108._o alemannum_fw-la affirmant_fw-la ad_fw-la judaismum_fw-la defecisse_fw-la and_o all_o their_o conversion_n to_o so_o damn_a sect_n be_v ground_v upon_o their_o not_o find_v any_o pagan_a king_n or_o nation_n to_o have_v be_v ever_o convert_v to_o protestancy_n but_o all_o way_n to_o popery_n q._n i_o must_v confess_v sir_n that_o if_o all_o the_o heathen_a king_n and_o nation_n have_v be_v convert_v to_o that_o christianity_n which_o we_o call_v popery_n and_o this_o be_v perform_v by_o papist_n which_o can_v not_o be_v do_v without_o miracle_n and_o not_o pagan_a king_n and_o nation_n have_v be_v ever_o convert_v to_o protestancy_n nor_o by_o protestant_n you_o have_v much_o more_o to_o say_v for_o yourselves_o than_o ever_o i_o hear_v before_o and_o we_o much_o less_o but_o i_o doubt_v you_o will_v hardly_o prove_v that_o until_o the_o end_n of_o the_o first_o 600._o year_n there_o be_v any_o king_n or_o nation_n convert_v to_o popery_n though_o afterward_o i_o must_v own_v that_o profession_n be_v spread_v over_o the_o world_n and_o reign_v until_o our_o protestant_a reformation_n begin_v in_o the_o year_n 1517._o and_o to_o avoid_v prolixity_n i_o desire_v you_o to_o rosolue_v i_o this_o one_o question_n whether_o constantin_n the_o great_a the_o first_o christian_a emperor_n be_v a_o papist_n we_o believe_v that_o he_o and_o the_o church_n of_o his_o time_n be_v protestant_a because_o the_o pure_a christianity_n protestancy_n be_v then_o in_o vogue_n though_o afterward_o it_o degenerate_v insensible_o into_o popery_n a._n finem_fw-la euseb_n de_fw-fr vita_fw-la constantini_n l._n 3._o c._n 47._o &_o lib._n 4._o cap._n 38._o s._n hieron_n contra_fw-la vigilant_a it_o m_v costantinus_n imperator_fw-la sanctas_fw-la reliquias_fw-la andreae_n lucae_n &_o timothei_n transtulit_fw-la constantinopolim_n apud_fw-la quas_fw-la daemon_n rugiunt_fw-la and_o ibid._n si_fw-la reliquius_fw-la sanctorum_fw-la transfer_v &_o in_o aureos_fw-la loculos_fw-la re_fw-la condere_fw-la non_fw-la licet_fw-la sacrilegus_fw-la fuit_fw-la cum_fw-la constantino_n arcadius_n omnes_fw-la episcopi_fw-la non_fw-la solum_fw-la sacrilegi_fw-la sed_fw-la &_o fatui_fw-la iudicandi_fw-la qui_fw-la rem_fw-la vilissiman_n &_o cineres_fw-la dissolutâ—s_fw-la â—n_fw-la serice_n vase_n aureo_fw-la portaverunt_fw-la etc._n etc._n s._n august_n tom_fw-mi 39_o dâ—_n sanctis_fw-la say_v crucis_fw-la character_n basilicae_fw-la dedicantur_fw-la altaria_fw-la consecrantur_fw-la s._n greg._n apud_fw-la bedam_fw-la hist_o lib._n 1._o c._n 30._o euseb_n de_fw-fr vitâ_fw-la constantini_n l_o 3_o c._n 2._o atque_fw-la interdum_fw-la vultum_fw-la salutari_fw-la illa_fw-la passionis_fw-la signavit_fw-la nota_fw-la zozoman_n hist_o l._n 1._o c._n 8._o sanctae_fw-la crucis_fw-la plurimum_fw-la tribuit_fw-la honoris_fw-la prudentius_n in_o apotheosi_fw-la vexillumque_fw-la crucis_fw-la summus_fw-la dominator_fw-la adorat_fw-la s._n chrysostom_n in_o ep_v 2._o cor._n hom_n 26._o versus_fw-la fin_n no_o &_o ipse_fw-la qui_fw-la purpuram_fw-la indutus_fw-la est_fw-la accedit_fw-la illa_fw-la amplexus_fw-la sepulchra_fw-la &_o fastu_fw-la deposito_fw-la staâ—_n sanctis_fw-la supplicaturus_fw-la ut_fw-la pro_fw-la se_fw-la ad_fw-la dominum_fw-la intercedant_fw-la see_v the_o same_o also_o in_o s._n chrysost_fw-la ad_fw-la pop_n hom_n 60._o versus_fw-la finem_fw-la that_o constantin_n the_o great_a be_v a_o papist_n and_o the_o religion_n then_o in_o vogue_n and_o the_o only_a then_o call_v catholik_n be_v popery_n be_v evident_a by_o eusebius_n his_o ecclesiastical_a history_n write_v a_o little_a after_o constantins_n death_n as_o also_o by_o what_o the_o centurist_n of_o magdeburg_n and_o all_o other_o learned_a protestant_n confess_v for_o it_o be_v evident_a by_o their_o writing_n that_o constantin_n erect_v temple_n in_o memory_n of_o martyr_n and_o the_o apostle_n provide_v his_o sepulchre_n there_o to_o the_o end_n that_o after_o his_o death_n he_o may_v be_v make_v partaker_n of_o the_o prayer_n there_o offer_v he_o translate_v to_o constantinople_n the_o relic_n of_o st_n andrew_n luke_n and_o timothy_n at_o which_o the_o devil_n do_v roar_v which_o particular_a circumstance_n st_n hierom_n press_v against_o vigilantius_n who_o he_o conclude_v a_o heretik_a for_o be_v against_o the_o pray_n to_o saint_n and_o worship_v their_o relic_n st_o augustin_n and_o st_n gregory_n two_o other_z doctor_n of_o the_o church_n defend_v the_o practice_n of_o consecrate_v church_n when_o constantin_n build_v they_o with_o the_o sign_n of_o the_o cross_n and_o sprinkle_v of_o holy_a water_n which_o i_o believe_v the_o protestant_n clergy_n of_o dublin_n be_v ignorant_a of_o when_o as_o i_o have_v be_v credible_o inform_v they_o frame_v very_o late_o a_o new_a form_n of_o their_o own_o head_n to_o consecrat_v mr_n lingar_n oval_a temple_n with_o such_o hatred_n to_o the_o cross_n that_o they_o will_v not_o make_v use_n of_o the_o sign_n thereof_o in_o the_o consecration_n nor_o bless_v themselves_o in_o the_o beginning_n or_o throughout_o the_o whole_a work_n nor_o place_v any_o cross_n in_o the_o top_n of_o the_o church_n for_o fear_v of_o profane_v it_o or_o trouble_v the_o spirit_n of_o that_o peaceble_a minister_n not_o long_o before_o depart_v nay_o cross_n be_v pull_v down_o in_o that_o diocese_n and_o catholics_n punish_v for_o oppose_v they_o who_o commit_v such_o sacrilege_n without_o doubt_n constantin_n the_o great_a be_v one_o of_o the_o most_o rank_a papist_n and_o though_o he_o be_v the_o man_n who_o pull_v down_o idol_n and_o establish_a christianity_n in_o the_o world_n with_o its_o splendour_n and_o public_a exercise_n yet_o i_o fear_v our_o zealous_a dublinian_n clergy_n will_v protest_v against_o his_o religion_n as_o superstitious_a and_o censure_v he_o guilty_a of_o idolatry_n when_o they_o hear_v how_o often_o he_o blessed_v himself_o make_v the_o sign_n of_o the_o cross_n in_o his_o forehead_n nay_o which_o be_v worse_o not_o only_o adorn_v but_o adore_v with_o a_o inferior_a religious_a worship_n the_o cross_n and_o which_o be_v worst_a of_o all_o pray_v to_o st_n peter_n and_o paul_n that_o they_o will_v be_v intercessor_n for_o he_o to_o god_n at_o least_o the_o church_n of_o england_n will_v not_o challenge_v he_o as_o a_o member_n of_o they_o he_o be_v so_o averse_a to_o the_o spiritual_a supremacy_n and_o ecclesiastical_a jurisdiction_n of_o temporal_a sovereigns_n that_o he_o will_v not_o sit_v down_o at_o the_o council_n of_o nice_a until_o the_o bishop_n have_v thereto_o give_v their_o assent_n nor_o will_v he_o take_v upon_o he_o to_o judge_v of_o ecclesiastical_a cause_n say_v god_n have_v ordain_v you_o bishop_n and_o have_v give_v you_o power_n to_o judge_v of_o yourselves_o by_o mean_n whereof_o we_o yield_v ourselves_o to_o your_o judgement_n so_o crispinus_n in_o his_o book_n of_o the_o estate_n of_o the_o church_n pag._n 99_o and_o zozoman_n hiss_v l._n c._n 10._o post_n med_n set_v down_o these_o popish_a word_n of_o constantin_n mihi_fw-la vero_fw-la non_fw-la est_fw-la fas_fw-la cum_fw-la homo_fw-la sim_fw-la ciusmodi_fw
world_n to_o be_v a_o cheat_n or_o any_o thing_n less_o than_o his_o own_o great_a seal_n wherefore_o at_o the_o sight_n thereof_o all_o man_n be_v bind_v under_o pain_n of_o damnation_n to_o believe_v god_n alone_o be_v the_o author_n of_o christ_n and_o the_o roman_a church_n miracle_n and_o doctrine_n just_a as_o subject_n be_v bind_v under_o pain_n of_o death_n to_o obey_v the_o king_n and_o magistrate_n order_n when_o sign_v and_o seal_v with_o the_o usual_a and_o authentik_a mark_n of_o their_o supreme_a authority_n they_o be_v bind_v i_o say_v to_o obey_v though_o they_o have_v only_o moral_a evidence_n that_o he_o be_v king_n and_o that_o his_o seal_n and_o order_n be_v true_a and_o not_o counterfeit_a q._n methinks_v this_o argument_n may_v be_v retort_v against_o yourself_o for_o if_o notwithstanding_o the_o moral_a evidence_n we_o have_v of_o such_o person_n be_v our_o parent_n or_o lawful_a king_n and_o of_o their_o seal_n and_o order_n not_o be_v counterfeit_a we_o be_v bind_v only_o to_o honour_n and_o obey_v they_o in_o our_o outward_a action_n but_o we_o be_v not_o bind_v to_o assent_v inward_o without_o any_o kind_a of_o doubt_n that_o such_o man_n be_v our_o parent_n or_o our_o legitimat_fw-la king_n or_o that_o their_o hand_n and_o seal_n be_v not_o counterfeit_v if_o i_o say_v this_o moral_a evidence_n can_v not_o oblige_v we_o to_o such_o inward_a assurance_n and_o assent_n how_o can_v the_o moral_a evidence_n of_o christ_n and_o the_o roman_a church_n miracle_n be_v true_a and_o supernatural_a miracle_n oblige_v we_o under_o pain_n of_o damnation_n to_o believe_v without_o any_o kind_a of_o doubt_n christ_n divinity_n and_o the_o roman_a catholic_a doctrine_n at_o least_o this_o much_o follow_v from_o hence_o that_o the_o moral_a evidence_n of_o the_o aforesaid_a miracle_n and_o sign_n of_o the_o church_n can_v only_o exact_v from_o we_o a_o outward_a conformity_n to_o its_o decree_n not_o a_o inward_a assent_n to_o its_o doctrine_n a._n the_o extent_n of_o every_o authority_n ought_v to_o be_v measure_v by_o its_o appearance_n if_o its_o appearance_n be_v only_o human_a or_o natural_a it_o reach_v no_o further_a than_o to_o regular_a those_o outward_a moral_a action_n which_o be_v necessary_a for_o the_o government_n and_o peace_n of_o the_o commonwealth_n it_o have_v not_o any_o thing_n to_o do_v with_o direct_v the_o soul_n by_o inward_a act_n and_o undoubted_a assent_n to_o its_o supernatural_a end_n if_o the_o appearance_n of_o the_o authority_n be_v supernatural_a and_o moraly_a evident_a to_o we_o by_o prodigy_n profecy_n or_o other_o visible_a sign_n that_o it_o be_v so_o than_o it_o claim_v a_o jurisdiction_n over_o the_o soul_n and_o may_v exact_v from_o it_o such_o inward_a act_n and_o assent_v as_o be_v proportionable_a to_o that_o supernatural_a end_n for_o which_o god_n have_v institute_v his_o church_n and_o adorn_v it_o with_o those_o divine_a mark_n and_o miracle_n which_o christ_n himself_n mention_n marc._n 16._o and_o have_v be_v visible_a in_o the_o roman_n catholik_n ever_o since_o the_o apostle_n this_o undeniable_a maxim_n be_v lay_v as_o a_o foundation_n there_o can_v be_v no_o difficulty_n in_o see_v the_o disparity_n there_o be_v between_o the_o human_a authority_n of_o commonwealth_n and_o the_o spiritual_a and_o supernatural_a of_o the_o church_n by_o virtue_n of_o their_o different_a appearance_n the_o miracle_n and_o sign_n of_o the_o church_n make_v so_o supernatural_a a_o show_n as_o to_o declare_v god_n alone_o be_v the_o author_n of_o its_o doctrine_n and_o authority_n be_v extend_v to_o the_o soul_n and_o to_o the_o inward_a act_n and_o assent_v thereof_o regulate_v they_o as_o it_o be_v fit_a for_o the_o salvation_n of_o mankind_n no_o human_a or_o natural_a authority_n of_o king_n or_o temporal_a prince_n can_v reach_v so_o far_o because_o the_o appearance_n thereof_o be_v only_o natural_a q._n will_v not_o the_o appearance_n of_o anti-christs_n miracle_n be_v supernatural_a do_v not_o those_o of_o the_o magician_n of_o egypt_n look_v like_o supernatural_a and_o indiscernible_a from_o those_o of_o moses_n how_o then_o can_v a_o supernatural_a appearance_n or_o a_o moral_a evidence_n of_o prodigy_n be_v true_a miracle_n exact_a or_o pretend_v to_o any_o authority_n over_o our_o inward_a act_n of_o the_o will_n and_o understanding_n shall_v we_o submit_v our_o judgment_n to_o anti-christs_n doctrine_n because_o his_o miracle_n will_v seem_v to_o be_v supernatural_a if_o not_o why_o shall_v we_o submit_v our_o judgment_n to_o the_o roman_a catholic_a church_n because_o it_o be_v most_o authentik_a miracle_n seem_v to_o be_v supernatural_a a._n this_o argument_n only_o prove_v that_o true_a miracle_n even_o those_o of_o christ_n do_v not_o clear_o evidence_n or_o conclude_v their_o own_o supernaturality_n or_o their_o be_v true_a miracle_n it_o be_v so_o hard_a a_o matter_n to_o distinguish_v between_o true_a and_o false_a or_o anti_fw-la christian_n miracle_n that_o our_o saviour_n say_v even_o the_o elect_a will_v be_v seduce_v by_o the_o last_o if_o for_o their_o sake_n and_o by_o god_n particular_a providence_n those_o day_n will_v not_o be_v shorten_v and_o therefore_o he_o warn_v his_o disciple_n and_o all_o the_o faithful_a to_o beware_v of_o anti-christs_n miracle_n for_o ressemble_v so_o much_o his_o own_o and_o give_v certain_a sign_n whereby_o man_n may_v discover_v that_o he_o who_o work_v they_o be_v antichrist_n christ_n miracle_n therefore_o as_o those_o also_o of_o the_o church_n be_v first_o and_o as_o it_o be_v in_o possession_n of_o god_n authority_n by_o be_v his_o great_a seal_n and_o confirm_v his_o doctrine_n do_v by_o that_o precedency_n and_o christ_n prediction_n of_o counterfeit_a miracle_n manifest_a their_o supernaturality_n in_o a_o different_a manner_n from_o antichrist_n and_o all_o other_o lie_v prodigy_n which_o have_v be_v or_o will_v be_v wrought_v to_o confirm_v any_o doctrine_n contrary_a to_o that_o of_o the_o catholic_a church_n out_o of_o all_o which_o we_o conclude_v that_o even_a christ_n miracle_n and_o à _fw-la fortiori_fw-la those_o of_o the_o church_n if_o take_v without_o his_o prediction_n and_o their_o own_o precedency_n do_v not_o clear_o evidence_n to_o we_o that_o they_o be_v true_a miracle_n and_o by_o consequence_n can_v not_o clear_o evidence_n to_o we_o the_o divinity_n of_o christ_n or_o that_o god_n reveal_v the_o article_n of_o christian_a religion_n and_o the_o same_o must_v be_v say_v of_o catholic_a tradition_n even_o as_o it_o be_v confirm_v by_o these_o miracle_n of_o the_o church_n so_o that_o this_o tradition_n be_v not_o the_o motive_n but_o the_o rule_n of_o faith_n which_o direct_v we_o infallible_o though_o not_o clear_o to_o god_n revelation_n and_o therefore_o do_v not_o demonstrat_fw-la or_o undeniable_o conclude_v that_o ever_o god_n reveal_v any_o one_o article_n of_o that_o faith_n though_o the_o same_o tradition_n as_o confirm_v by_o the_o sign_n of_o the_o church_n do_v demonstrat_fw-la or_o at_o least_o undeniable_o prove_v that_o we_o be_v oblige_v under_o pain_n of_o damnation_n to_o believe_v and_o that_o most_o certain_o that_o god_n reveal_v every_o point_n which_o the_o roman_a catholic_a church_n do_v propose_v as_o a_o article_n of_o faith_n this_o much_o of_o miracle_n in_o general_n now_o let_v we_o return_v to_o saint_n bernard_n and_o consider_v it_o in_o particular_a st_o bernard_n make_v the_o same_o proposal_n to_o the_o henrician_n and_o people_n about_o tolouse_n that_o elias_n make_v to_o the_o jew_n and_o baalist_n he_o appeal_v to_o god_n omnipotency_n for_o the_o manifestation_n of_o the_o truth_n and_o speak_v with_o such_o confidence_n of_o success_n as_o if_o the_o attempt_n of_o the_o miracle_n have_v not_o only_o be_v consult_v with_o god_n but_o have_v be_v command_v by_o he_o consider_v now_o i_o pray_v whether_o it_o be_v credible_a to_o any_o person_n that_o have_v common_a sense_n or_o whether_o it_o be_v consistent_a with_o god_n infinite_a veracity_n and_o goodness_n that_o upon_o so_o public_a a_o trial_n of_o both_o and_o whereof_o depend_v the_o damnation_n or_o salvation_n of_o so_o many_o soul_n god_n will_v play_v the_o neuter_n and_o permit_v the_o devil_n abuse_v the_o sincerity_n and_o sanctity_n of_o saint_n bernard_n to_o seduce_v the_o poor_a simple_a people_n by_o work_a miracle_n which_o saint_n bernard_n himself_o and_o the_o wise_a of_o that_o age_n take_v to_o be_v divine_a and_o be_v in_o appearance_n as_o much_o above_o the_o power_n of_o nature_n as_o those_o be_v which_o christ_n wrought_v if_o this_o be_v as_o inconsistent_a with_o common_a sense_n as_o it_o be_v with_o christianity_n not_o one_o illiterate_a protestant_a in_o the_o world_n who_o have_v any_o sense_n can_v be_v excuse_v by_o invincible_a ignorance_n from_o damnation_n no_o learned_a protestant_n from_o heresy_n for_o heresy_n be_v obstinacy_n against_o doctrine_n sufficient_o propose_v as_o