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A48863 The harmony between the old and present non-conformists principles in relation to the terms of conformity, with respect both to the clergie, and the people : wherein a short history of the original of the English liturgy, and some reasons why several truly conscientious Christians cannot joyn with the church in it : humbly presented to publick consideration in order to the obtaining some necessary relaxation and indulgence : to which are added some letters that pass'd between the Lord Cecil, and Arch-bishop Whitgift. Lobb, Stephen, d. 1699.; Whitgift, John, 1530?-1604.; Burghley, William Cecil, Baron, 1520-1598. 1682 (1682) Wing L2726; ESTC R23045 77,527 105

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medina_n himself_o do_v assert_v that_o a_o man_n must_v rather_o obey_v a_o erroneous_a conscience_n than_o the_o command_n of_o any_o prelate_n that_o be_v contradictory_n thereunto_o suppose_v these_o dissenter_n do_v err_v yet_o they_o must_v not_o act_v contrary_a unto_o a_o erroneous_a conscience_n the_o whole_a that_o can_v be_v just_o desire_v be_v that_o they_o use_v all_o regular_a mean_n to_o depose_v and_o shake_v off_o the_o error_n of_o conscience_n which_o must_v be_v do_v by_o a_o sincere_a seek_v god_n for_o more_o light_n that_o they_o may_v come_v to_o the_o knowledge_n of_o the_o truth_n and_o by_o a_o diligent_a and_o impartial_a enquiry_n into_o the_o true_a state_n of_o the_o controversy_n moreover_o there_o must_v be_v if_o possible_a a_o consult_v the_o writing_n of_o the_o learned_a on_o both_o side_n or_o a_o converse_v with_o they_o with_o a_o readiness_n to_o weigh_v all_o thing_n with_o deliberation_n and_o a_o resolution_n to_o embrace_v the_o truth_n 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the_o parish_n