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A27069 Which is the true church? the whole Christian world, as headed only by Christ ... or, the Pope of Rome and his subjects as such? : in three parts ... / by Richard Baxter ... Baxter, Richard, 1615-1691. 1679 (1679) Wing B1453; ESTC R1003 229,673 156

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unchurch_v parish-church_n he_o make_v dependence_n on_o lawful_a pastor_n in_o general_a necessary_a but_o not_o on_o the_o pope_n particular_o sect._n 3_o what_o faith_n must_v be_v in_o a_o church-member_n his_o implicit_a discourse_n of_o implicit_a faith_n which_o indeed_o be_v no_o faith_n of_o any_o particular_a article_n several_a sense_n of_o implicit_a faith_n open_v his_o general_a faith_n prove_v no_o particular_a faith_n in_o what_o sense_n we_o believe_v all_o that_o god_n have_v reveal_v sect._n 8._o his_o instance_n explain_v sect._n 9_o when_o virtual_a repentance_n suffice_v sect._n 10._o his_o avoid_v to_o answer_v sect._n 11._o the_o papist_n church_n invisible_a sect._n 12._o his_o strange_a doctrine_n of_o general_n sect._n 13._o what_o christianity_n be_v be_v no_o point_n of_o faith_n with_o they_o sect._n 14._o the_o invisibility_n of_o their_o church_n further_o prove_v sect._n 15._o their_o contradiction_n about_o receive_v all_o faith_n on_o the_o church_n 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