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A58394	Reformation no enemie, or, A true discourse betweene the bishops and the desirers of reformation wherein is plainely laid open the present corrupt government of our church, and the desired forme of government plainely proved by the word of God.; Hay any worke for Cooper	Marprelate, Martin, pseud.; Penry, John, 1559-1593.	1641 (1641)	Wing R741; ESTC R34566	39,052	59

from men No saith Deane Bridges no saith Iohn of Canterbury and the rest of them for all of them allow this Booke of Iohn Bridges for then wee are the Bishops of the Divell wee cannot avoid it Are they then the Bishops of God that is have they such a calling as the Apostles Evangelists c. had that is such a calling as ought lawfully to be in a christian Commonwealth unlesse the Magistrate would injury the Church yea maime deforme and make a Monster of the Church whither the Magistrate will or no. We have say they For our callings are not only inclusively but also expressely in the word So that by Deane Bridges his confession and the approbation of Iohn Canterbury either our Bishops are Bishops of the Divell or their callings cannot bee defended lawfull without flat and plaine Treason in overthrowing his Majesties supremacy And so Deane Bridges hath written and Iohn Whitgift hath approved and allowed flat Treason to be published Is Martin to be blamed for finding out and discovering Traytors Is hee to be blamed for crying out against the Bishops of the Divel If he be then indeed have J offended in writing against Bishops If not whether is the better Subject Martin or our Bishops whether I be favoured or no J will not cease in the love I owe to his Majesty to write against Traytors to write against the Divels Bishops Our Bishops are such by their owne confession For they protest themselves to be the Bishops of the Divel If they should hold the preheminency to be from man If they hold it otherwise then from man they are Traytors And untill this Beast Doctor Bridges wrote this Booke they never as yet durst presume to claime their Lordships any otherwise lawfull then from his Majesty yea and D. Bridges about the 60. page saith the same But they care not what contrariety they have in their writings what Treason they hold as long as they are perswaded that no man shall be tolerated to write against them I have once already shewed Treason to be in this Booke of the Deane of Sarum page 448. I shew the like now to be page 340. Because Deane Bridges durst not answer mee They have turned unto me in his stead a Beast whom by the length of his Eares I gesse to bee his Brother that is an Asse of the same kind But I will bee answered of the Deane himselfe in this and the former point of Treason or else his Cloister shall smoake for it And thus profane T.C. you perceive what a good subject you are in defending the established government Thus also I have answered all your Bookes in the matters of the lawfulnesse of the government by Pastors Doctours Elders and Deacons and the unlawfulnesse of our bastardly Church government by Archbishops and Bishops where also the Reader may see that if ever there was a Church rightly governed that is a Church without maime or deformity the same was governed by Pastours Doctours Elders and Deacons Whau whau but where have I beene all this while Ten to one among some of these Puritans Why Martin Why Martin I say hast tow forgotten thy selfe Where hast ti beene why man cha bin a seeking for a Samons nest and cha vound a whole crue either of Ecclesiasticall Traitors or of the Bishops of the Divell of broken and maimed members of the Church never wink on me good fellow for I will speake the truth let the Puritans doe what they can I say then that they are broken members and I say Iohn of Canterbury if he be a member of the Church I say he is a broken member and that Thomas of Winchester is a Cholericke member Yea and cha vound that profane T. C is afraid lest his Majesty should give Bishops livings away from om And therefore shutteth his booke with this position viz. That it is not lawfull to bestow such livings upon Lay men as are appointed by Gods law upon Ministers But hereof more warke for Cooper shall learnedly dispute Reverend T.C. Admonition page 1 2 3. Wee use the Ministers most vilely now a dayes God will punish us for it as hee did those which abused his Prophets Reverend Martin Looke to it T.C. then For out of thine own mouth shale thou b● judged thou unrighteous servant Our Bishops are they which abuse the Ministers Our Bishops were never good Ministers as yet and therefore they are not to be compared with the Prophets Reverend T.C. page 4. Some men will say that I doegreat injury to the Prophets and Apostles in comparing our Bishops unto them But we may be happy if we may have tolerable Ministers in this perilous age Reverend Martin I hope T.C. that thou dost not mean to serve the Church with worse then we have what worse then Iohn of Canterbury worse then Tom Tubtrimmer of Winchester worse then the Vickers of Hell Sir Ieffery Iones the parson of Micklain c. I pray thee rather then we should have a change from evill to worse let us have the evill still But I care not if I abide the venture of the change Therefore get Iohn with his Canterburinesse removed c. whom thou acknowledgest to be evill and J doe not doubt if worse come in their stead but the Divell will soone fetch them away and so wee shall bee quickly rid both of evill and worse But good T. C is it possible to find worse then we have I do not marvell though thou callest me libeller when thou darest abuse the Prophets farre worse then in calling them libellers for I tell thee true thou couldst not have any way so stained their good names as thou hast done in comparing them to our Bishops Call me Libeller as often as thou wilt I doe not greatly care but and thou lovest me never liken me to our Bishops of the Divell For J cannot abide to be compared unto those for by thine owne comparison in the 9. page they are just Balaams up and downe Reverend T.C. page 8 9 10. Though our Bishops be as evill as Iudas the false Apostles and Balaam yet because they have sometimes brought unto us Gods message wee must thinke no otherwise of them then of Gods Messengers For GOD will not suffer divellish and Antichristian persons to bee the chiefe restorers of his Gospell Reverend Martin First T.C. I have truly gathered thine argument though thou namest neither Iudas nor the false Apostles Prove it otherwise Then hast thou reverend Martin proved thy selfe a lyar Now secondly then seeing it is so I pray thee good honest T.C. desire our Judasses who was also one of the first Apostles not to sell their Master for money desire our false Apostles who preached no false doctrine for the most pert not to insult over poore Paul and desire our good Balaams not to follow the wages of unrighteousnesse The counsell is good For Iudas though one of the first publishers of the Gospell so were not our Bishops in our time

for that body I pray you in what place of the body would you have them placed If our Saviour Christ hath left behind him a perfect body surely he hath left therein no place or no vse for members of the Magistrates making and invention if an vnperfect and maimed body I am well assured that the magistrate is not able to perfect that which he left vnfinished But I hope T. C. that thou wilt not be so mad and wicked as to say that our Saviour Christ left behind him heere on earth an vnperfect and maimed body If not then where shall these offices namely these members invented by the Magistrate be placed therein Would you have the naturall eyes put out as your brethren the bishops have done in the church of England euer since Iohn of Canterbury vrged his wretched subscription and vnnaturall squint gogled eyes put in their stead when the body cannot see with any eyes but with the naturall eyes thereof displace them howsoever you may seeme to helpe the matter by putting others in their stead yet the body shall be still blind and maimed What say you T. C. may the Majestrate out of the true and naturall legges and hands of the body of Christ under a pretence to put woodden in their stead I hope you will not say that he may How then commeth it to passe T. C. that you hold Iohn of Cauterbury his office and Iohn Mar●elmes to be true and naturall members of the body that is true officers of the Church and yet hold it lawfull for his Majesty to displace them out of the church J cannot tell brother what you hold in this point Me think J have disturbed your sences Doe you thinke that the maiestrate may displace the true members of the body of Christ and place woodden in their stead Why this is to hold it lawfull for the Maiestrare to massacre the body Doe you thinke he may not Then may not her Maiesty displace Iohn of Canterburies office out of our church if shee may not displace his office then either he by vertue of his office is a lawfull Pope aboue all civill magistrates or else the Church government is so prescribed in the word as it is not lawfull for the magistrate to alter the same But Iohn of Canterbury as the Puritans themselves confesse is no Pope Then either the church government is so prescribed in the word as it may not be altred or else the maiestrate may abolish a lawfull church government and place another in stead thereof If the Church government be so prescribed in the word as it cannot be altered then either our government is the same which was therein prescribed or our Church government is a false Church government If outs be the same which is mentioned in the word Then Paul and Peter were either no true Church governours or else Paul and Peter and the rest of Church governours in their time were Lords for all our Church governours are Lords But Paule and Peter c. were no Lords and yet true church governours Therefore our church government is not that which is prescribed in the word and therefore a false and vnlawfull church government If you thinke that the Magistrate may displace the lawfull Offices of the body then as I said before you hold it lawfull for the Magistrate to maime or deforme the body Because whatsoover hee pulleth in the roome of the true and right members must needs be a deformitie and what place soever he leaveth vnfurnished of a member must needes bee a maime And this is the onely and sole office of Christ onely to place and displace the members of his body to wit the Officers of his Church he may lawfully doe it so cannot man And therefore the sots of which number you T. C. and you Iohn Whitgift and you Deane Iohn and you D Coosins and you D. Copcot with the rest of the ignorant and wretched defenders of our corrupt Church government are to be accounted which thinke that the Offices of Pastors Doctors Elders and Deacons or the most of them may be aswell now wanting in the Church as the Offices of Apostles Prophets and Evangelists doe notably bewray their vile ignorance but the cause they doe no hurt For the beasts doe not consider that the Offices of Apostles Evangelists and Prophets were removed out of the church not by man but by the Lord The Apostles chese men in stead of Iames being beheaded as they did in steed of Iudas Act. 1 which they would have done if the Apostolicall calling had beene permanent because he in his wisdome did not see any vse of such members in his body after the time of the first planting of the Church I say they were removed by the Lord himselfe and not by man because partly the gifts wherewith they were endued partly the largenesse of their commission with certaine other essentiall properties to them belonging were by him abrogated and taken away which no man could doe againe the Apostolicall Evangelicall and Propheticall callings were either lawfully or vnlawfully abolished out of the Church if lawfully then they were abolished by the Lord and therfore they are neither to be called backe vntill he sheweth it to be his pleasure that it should be so neither can the church be truly said to be maimed for want of them because he which could best tell what members were fit for his Church did abolish them If vnlawfully then those callings may bee lawfully called backe againe into the Church and the Church without them is maimed that is wanteth some members For if their callings were injuriously abrogated they are as iniuriously kept out of the Church and being members of the church the church is maimed without the vnlesse the Lord hath shewed that the time of their service in the body is expired But they are not injuriously kept out for so his Maiestie should be said to injury the Church vnlesse hee would see Apostles prophets and Evangelists planted therein neither can the church be said to bee maimed for want of them because the Lord by taking them away hath declared that now there can be no vse of them in the body therefore the Lord abrogated them Therefore also they may be wanting and the Church neither mained nor deformed thereby Whereas the keeping out of either of the former offices of Pastors Doctors elders and Deacons is a maiming of the Church the placing of others in their stead a deforming Now reverend T. C. I beseech you entreat mistresse Cooper to write to M D. Day sometimes of Magdalius that he may procure D. Cooper to know of him that was the last Thomas of Lincolne whether the now B. of Winchester be not perswaded that Reve. rend Martin hath sufficiently proved it to be vnlawfull for the civill Magistrate to abolish any lawfull church Officer out of the church Because it is vnlawfull for him to maime or deforme the body of Christ by displacing

it For many bookes heretofore printed had cum privilegio and yet were never authorized and againe that it were but a ●olly for him to sue to her Majesty the Office were very base and unfit for her And he might be well assured that Caiphas of Cant. would never authorize any thing for his behoofe and so it fell out And thus Martin hath proved you in this as in all other chings to bee lyars And what is it that you Bp. and your hangones will not say by Waldegrave whom you would hang if you could I will be briefe in the rest but so as the Reader may perceive that T. C. was hired to lye by commission I will stand to it that his grace accounteth the preaching of the Word page 46. being the only ordinary meanes of Salvation to be an heresie and doth mortally persecute the same page 47. his appellation to the obedient Clergy shall stand him in no steed when more worke for Cooper is published And there I will pay thee for abusing Master Wiggiugton and Mr. Davison whose good names can take no staine from a Bishops chops page 47. If his grace rejected Master Evans for want of conformity why is the quare impedit gotten against the Bishop of Worcester by the noble Earle of Warwicke his patron J hope he will see both the quare impedit and the premunire too brought upon the bones of father Edmond of Worcester page 48 49. It is a common bragge with his grace his parasites and with himselfe that he is the second person in the land More worke shall pay his grace for commending the Apocrypha 2 Esdras 14.21.37 c. a profane and a lying story in many places to bee unseparably joyned with the holy Word of God You grant D. Spark to have set his grace and your selfe T. C. page 50. at a non-plus for the septuaginta is contrary to the Hebrew and therefore you maintaine contrary translations and require men to approve both Martin hath marred Richard patriks Market for otherwise he was in good hope to have a benefice at his grace his hand and to be made a Minstrell Shamelesse and impudent wretches that dare deny Iohn of Canterbury to have bin at any time under D. Perne but as a fellow of the houre where he was master whereas all the world knoweth him to have bin a poore scholler in that house yea and his grace hath often confessed that hee being there a poore scooder was so poore as hee had not a napkin to wipe his mouth but when he had gotten some fat meate of O the followes table would goe to the Skrine and first wipe his mouth on the one side and then O the other because he wanted a napkin judge you whither this be not a meaner state then to carry a cloakbag which is not spoken to upbraid any mans poverty but to pull the pride of Gods enemy an ase lower Although we cannot beleeve D. Perne in the Pulpit yet in this point wee will not refuse his testimony I am glad Iohn of London you will not deny but you have the Dyars cloath page 51 52.53 54. make restitution then thou madest the Porter of thy Gate a Minister Iohn and thou mightest doe it lawfully Why so J pray thee why man because hee was almost blind and at Paddington being a small people hee could not starve as many soules as his master doth which hath a great charge I hope Mr. Madox will thinke scorn to aske Iohn of London forgivenesse page 55 56 The substance of the Tale is true I told you that I had it at the second hand Are you not ashamed to deny the elmes to be cut downe at Fulham Why her Majesties taker tooke them from Iohn of London And simple fellowes are you not able to discerne betweene a pleasant frump given you by a counsellour and a speech used in good earnest Alas poore Iohn O London doest thou thinke that Mr. Vice-chamberlaine spake as hee thought Then it is time to begge thee for a swagge And so it is if thou thinkest wee will beleeve the turncoate D. Perne speaking unto us in his owne name who like an Apostata hath out of the pulpit told so many untruthes And as it is lawfull to boule O the Sabboth as it is to cat page 57 58 and for you to make dumbe Ministers as it was for DAVID to eate of the shew bread page 110. or for the Machabees to fight on the Sabboth or for Moses to grant a bill of divorcement page 62. J perceive these men will have the good Divinity if it be to be gotten for money Yea and our Saviour Christ sware by his Faith very often How so good Iohn I never heard that before why saith T.C. hee said Amen Amen very often and Amen is as much as by my faith page 62. horrible and blasphemous Beasts whither will your madnesse grow in a while if you bee not restrained M. Allen the Grocer is paid all save 10 pound for the use of that the Executors have Iohn O Londons blessing And J thinke they are reasonably well served page 58. If the tale of Benison be not true why was Iohn of London alotted by the counsell to pay him I thinke 40 pounds page 59. for his false imprisonment Iohn of London is not dumbe because hee preacheth sometimes thrise a yeare at Pauls Crosse Then we shall never make our money of it I see But I pray thee T. G pag. 6.61.62 how canst thou excuse his blasphemy of Eli Eli lamasabackthani there have beene two outragious facts amongst others committed in the world by those that professe true Religion the one was the betraying of our Saviour by Iudas an Apostle the other was the horrible mocking of his agony and bitter passion by Iohn Elmar a Bishop in this speech If he had bin in some reformed Churches the Blasphemer would have hardly escaped with his life And is it true sweet Boy indeed Hath Liecestershire so embraced the Gospell without contention and that by dumbe Iohns meanes Little doest thou know what thou hast done now how if Martin be a Liecestershire man hast not thou then set out the praise of thine owne bane For Martin I am sure hath wrought your Calaphas Chaire more wracke and misery then all the whole Land beside And therefore thou seest a man may be so madde sometimes that he may praise he cannot tell what The Bishop of Rochester in presenting himselfe to a parsonage did no more then Law allowed him And doe so againe good Iohn of Rochester page 63 and it will be for thy credit Fo these Puritans would find fault I thinke with Iohn of Cant. if he beleeving that Christ in soule went to Hell should hold it unlawfull for a man to pray unto Christ being in Hell And sweet Iohn of Cant. if ever thou prayedst in thy life for any bodies soule now pray for