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A46878 A sermon preached before Q. Elizabeth by that learned and reverend man Iohn Iewel ... ; with an answer of the same authour to some frivolous objections against the government of the church. Jewel, John, 1522-1571. 1641 (1641) Wing J739; ESTC R16610 20,215 57

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A SERMON PREACHED BEFORE Q. ELIZABETH BY THAT LEARNED AND REVEREND MAN IOHN IEWEL BISHOP OF SARISBURY Vpon these words PSAL. 69. 9. The zeale of thy house hath eaten me up WITH AN ANSWER OF THE SAME AUTHOUR To some frivolous objections against the government of the Church Printed in the yeare 1641. TO THE READER IF thy heart hath not made a Covenant with Ignorance or not growne obstinate through peevish wilfullnesse read peruse and digest these ensuing lines dropt from the learned and judicious quill of this most pious and renowned Authour whose well-knowne worth and singular wisdome may challenge if not command your faire acceptance He appeares not here like David ruining the Philistine but like our Saviour reproving the Pharisees reserving his downeright blowes for stronger Enemies and more discovering the folly of his Foe than the smartnesse of his scourge whose sudden pen not guilty of any thing that is not pretious carries with it the Aspect rather of an ingenious hast then a studyed Confutation Which neverthelesse upon mature deliberation if it convince not the erroneous fancy and rectifies not the weake Judgement of unwilling ignorance his Pearles are lost till found by such as have the knowledge how to prize them Farwell CERTAINE FRIVOLOVS OBJEctions against the Government of the Church of England answered by IOHN IEWEL Bishop of Sarisbury The First Reason of the Novelists God so loved the Church that He left a perfect patterne orderly Ephes 4. But here is named neither Pope nor Archbishop nor Archdeacon BISHOP IEWELS Answer HOW know you that the fourth Chapter ad Ephes is a perfect patterne of Ecclesiasticall Government Wee have now neither Apostles nor Evangelists nor Prophets yet are they the chiefe in that patterne Neither have we there either Bishop or Presbyter or Diaconus or Catechista or Lector and yet are these necessary parts in Ecclesiasticall Government Therefore this Patterne is not perfect to hold for ever Neither were there then any publique Churches or Pulpits or Schooles or Vniversities c. Saint Paul nameth neither Pope nor Arch-bishop I grant and the Church is not governed by names but by Offices Every Bishop then was called Papa And Anacletus that was next after Peter if there be any weight in his words nameth Archbishops The Second Reason The Synagogue of the Iewes was a figure of the Church of Christ and God to the perfection of that Church omitted nothing BISHOP IEWELS Answer I See not what you would conclude Perhaps you will say they had not the names of Pope or Arch-Bishop So had they not this name Episcopus in all Moses Law yet were not all Priests of like auntiency in government They had other names that were equivalent with Archbishops as Principes Synagogae Principes Sanctuarij Principes familiarum Leviticarum Principes familiarum Sacerdotalium Principes Sacerdotum Principes domûs Dei Pontifex Summus Pontifex Summus Sacerdos Therefore the negative reason is but weake Againe whereas it is said that to the perfection of the Synagogue there wanted nothing it may be answered that to the perfection thereof there wanted many things as it is knowne and confessed And as the Synagogue had not the names of Pope and Arch-Bishop so had it not the name of Apostle or Evangelist The Third Reason Where the substance of any thing is most perfect there the accidents be most perfect But the substance of true Religion was most perfect in the Primitive Church and yet there was then no Arch-Bishop Ergo. BISHOP IEWELS Answer FIRst this Maxime is not proved for it may well be doubted whether the most perfect substance hath evermore most perfect accidents And againe the substance of Religion is the same now that it was then The difference if any be standeth in the accidents and not in substance In the Primitive Church God raised up Apostles and Prophets and gave them power extraordinary as the gift of tongues the gift of healing the gift of government c. In place whereof he hath now given Vniversities Schooles Bishops Arch. Bishops c. But you may say There was then no Arch-Bishop So may you say that before King Saul there was no King in Israel So may you say that before of late times there was neither Duke nor Earle in England so may you say that in the Primitive Church there was neither Deane nor Parson nor Prebendary And yet now both in Ecclesiasticall and civill government all these are thought necessary Last of all where you say there was no Arch-Bishop in the Primitive Church it is written by many that Saint Paul made Titus Arch Bishop of Creta * Erasmus saith Paulus Titum Archiepiscopum Cretae consecravit And Lyra likewise saith Paulus instituit Titum Archiepiscopū Cretensium If these Authorities like you not Chrysostome saith Paulus Tito multorum Episcoporum judicium commisit Now having the Government of many Bishops what may we call him but an Arch-Bishop The Fourth Reason The Ecclesiasticall and civill government may not be confounded or be together in one person But to be a Cheife or a Ruler is a civill power Ergo it cannot be exercised by any Ecclesiasticall person BISHOP IEWELS Answer BOth these governments were confounded in Moses Therefore they may be confounded And the Priests of Israel had the Iudgement and government of the people And Saint Augustine was troubled with hearing and determining of Causes as appeareth by Possidonius And where you say to be a Chiefe or a Ruler is a Civill government nay in Ecclesiasticall causes it is Ecclesiasticall government and not civill And these differences of government may not so unadvisedly be confounded This is the key of Ecclesiasticall correction and belongeth only to the Ecclesiasticall Officer and to none other Hereof Saint Paul saith Sen●rem ne corripueris nisi sub c. Tradidi illum Satana c. This jurisdiction is not civill but Ecclesiasticall and therefore may be exercised by any Ecclesiasticall person I beseech you take these sudden answers in good part As for these reasons in my judgement they are not made to build up and they are too weake to pull downe Stultitia nata est in corde pueri virga disciplinae fugabit illam It is but wantonnesse correction will help it FINIS PSAL. 69. V. 9. The zeale of thine house hath eaten me CErtaine learned and wise men of old time that had no understanding or savour of God when they considered with themselves to what end purpose mankinde was created and set in this world after they had driven the matter as far as they might by naturall knowledge at length they concluded some that man was made to know the properties and qualities the convenience or difference of naturall things either in the ayre or in the water or in the earth or under the earth Some other that man was made to consider and behold the Sunne and Moone the Starres course and