Apostle to belong to them as well as to the Church of Rome whereby we may iudge how vndiscreet a part it is to be caried away with the name of a Church afore we haue enquired whether it keepe the ancient faith or so to be conceited of one Church that we will looke toward no other but it 7 The second point that deceiueth manie is the rumour and opinion that goeth of our aduersaries learning which is as weake a motiue to build on as the former when the greatest heretickes that euer were haue wanted no learning and we may be sure this of our aduersaries is not commended with the least Themselues are vnmeasurable and more then odious in extolling their owne facultie and their people as ridiculous and irkesome in reporting it It is nothing beseeming Christians to leaue the cause and to fall a boasting Let our bookes be viewed and the disputations betweene vs weighed and it will appeare they haue no such vantage no not in Art and learning and but that vnsetled braines are giuen vainly to admire nouelties our Church at home here in England to say nothing of those abroad who haue made our proudest enemies feele the edge of their learning hath brought forth and at this day yeeldeth as learned as our aduersaries euer had anie And that the Reader may haue some triall of this I will giue an example or two wherein he shall see and by that iudge of the rest how learnedly they carrie themselues now and then against vs and how great their skill is to helpe them when they are a little vrged 8 They haue a solemne tradition among them concerning the Assumption of the Virgine Marie the story whereof you may reade in the g Act. 1.14 Rhemish Testament to this effect Now at the time of her death all the Apostles then dispersed into diuerse nations to preach the Gospell were miraculously brought together sauing S. Thomas who came the third day after to Ierusalem to honour her diuine departure and funerall where before her death and after for three dayes not onely the Apostles and other holy men present but the Angels also and powers of heauen did sing most melodiously They buried her bodie in Gethsemanâ— but for S. Thomas sake who desired to see and reuerence it they opened the sepulcher the third day and finding it void of the holy bodie but exceedingly fragrant they returned assuredly deeming that her bodie was assumpted into heauen as the Church holdeth and therefore celebrateth most solemnely the day of her Assumption And h Anton. chron part 1. p. 147. Suar. tom 2. p. 200. some adde that companies of Saints and Angels and Christ himselfe for how else should he haue fulfilled the coÌ„mandement Honor thy father and thy mother met her and with great glory and ioy placed her in her throne This is the Legend and that no man should mistrust they could not defend it i Feâ—ard in Hest pag. 616. Rhem. act 1.14 Bristo mot 32. most bitterly they raile vpon all that denie it perswading men k Baron an 48. nu 17. 24. that it is the iudgement of the vniuersall Church l Cathar opusc dè concept yea a point of faith The ground whereupon they stand is the Testimonie of many authors a certaine writing of Iohn the Euangelist Dionysius Areopagita Melito Athanasius Ierome Austine Damascene Bernard Andreas Cretensis Nicephorus Metaphrastes Glycas c. Who would not thinke but here were a learned defence of that they say But marke the issue First we haue shewed them and it is the truth that whatsoeuer the later writers Damascene Bernard Andreas Metaphrastes Nicephorus Glycas and others of those times haue written touching this matter is borrowed from the former authours Dionysius Melito the writing of S. Iohn Athanasius Ierome and Austin and can haue no more credite then the said authours haue from whom it is borrowed Now these authors we proue to be all forged and our aduersaries in the pursuite of the matter confesse it m D. 15. sancta Romana Sixt. Senens p. 104. The booke going vnder the name of S. Iohn is bored through the eare by the Pope himselfe in a Councell and so is Melito as n An. 48. n. 12. Baronius acknowledgeth who calleth him an idle companion full of dotages and fooleries vnworthie of Christian audience The same censure he giueth o Nu. 13. inde of Sophronius and Ierome to Paul Eustoch and p Nu. 20. inde of Athanasius confessing them to be forged in their names and full of lies and impostures And q Nu. 17. of that which goeth vnder the name of Austine as the Diuines of Louan haue done before him Dionysius is he that when all is done must beare the burden But he also is acknowledged by r Erasm declar ad Censur Parisiens theol p. 180. Caietan Valla annot in Act. 17. right skilfull Papists to be a counterfet And if the Rhemists Å¿ In Act. 1.14 say true that the blessed Virgine liued but 63. yeares then by t She bare Christ at 15. yeares Christ died at 33 then she was 48. whereto if you adde 15. more it maketh them 63 and that yeare falleth into the yeare of Christ 48. computation of times she died in the eight and fortieth yeare after Christs birth what time Dionysius could not as the booke going vnder his name pretendeth be present For the same Rhemists u Table of Sainâ— Paul p. 375. say he was not conuerted till an 51 and Baronius x An. 52. nu 1. not till an 52 which was three or foure yeares after her death Besides Baronius y Nu. 19. is driuen to confesse her sepulcher was not found or knowne in Ieromes time but when at the length not much before the dayes of Iuuenalis the Bishop of Ierusalem it was found and that without the body by occasion hereof the argument of writing concerning the assuming of her body into heauen was exhibited for before that time none had writ so Let this be noted If her sepulcher was not knowne nor her body missed out of it nor no man writ of her assumption till Iuuenalis time how can Dionysius that liued so long afore mention it Againe let the booke be Dionysius his owne and legitimate yet the words thereof conuince not this Assumption He saith no more but thus z De Diuin nomin p. 281. graec When we also as you know and your selfe and many of our holy brethren came together to behold the body which the Prince of life was in and which receiued God where Iames the brother of our Lord also was present and Peter the highest and ancientest top of the Diuines then after we had beheld it pleased all the Bishops as euerie one was able to praise the almightie goodnesse of his infirmitie that was the beginning of life vnto vs Where Ierotheus as you know excelled all the other holy
there is why they should disdaine vs supposing we had lesse learning then we haue Irenaeus f L. 2. c. 45. hath a saying which I commend vnto them when they thinke they haue so much vantage of learning against vs It is better and more profitable to be simple and of small knowledge and by loue to approach neare God then to thinke themselues to know much and to be of high experience and in the meane while to be found blasphemers against God 11 We know no cause therefore why we should not constantly and cheerfully go forward with our profession and confirme our selues daily more and more therin against all the premises and oppositions of the Romane Church whatsoeuer First we haue the Scripture in manifest places free from all ambiguitie on our side secondly we haue the principles of religion contained in the Lords praiers the Creed and the ten Commandements that directly leadeth to euery point of our faith Which is the true reason why the Church of Rome forbiddeth the reading and exercise of these things to the people lest they should see so much Thirdly we haue the ancient fathers in expresse termes in all things that they held constantly certainly with one consent I do not deny but our aduersaries in some smaller points as Purgatory praier for the dead may make shew of some particular opinions in the fathers but vpon triall it will fall out they held theÌ„ waueringly doubtfully that no certainty can be set downe touching their resolute iudgement Whereas in the principall points touching the Scriptures iustification merit of workes images and all the rest they write most clearely with vs. Fourthly and which may perswade any man not drunken with his owne preiudice we haue the mercies of God to pleade for vs whereby our Church hath bene miraculously vpholden when they threatned God defended vs when they practised and expected our vtter ruine God disappointed them when they wrought all maner of treasons yet God deliuered vs. Fiftly and this is our further assurance that we haue done nothing against the Church of Rome but innumerable people in all ages wished it long ago What ceremony what doctrine what custome what one parcell of their superstition haue we refused but the world long since complained of it yea the learnedst men that were groned vnder the very burthens that we haue haue shaken off g Evetusto quoâ—am libro refert Illyric catolog test tom 2. p. 805. It is written of Gerson the Chauncellor of Paris who liued about one hundred yeares before Luther that the Sorbonists expulsed him the Vniuersitie and in his old age depriued him of all his d gnitiesâ— because as it is like he misliked diuers errors in the Church of Rome What time he betooke himselfe to teaching of schoole wherein his manner was daily to cause all his schollers the little children to ioyne with him in this short praier My God my maker haue mercy vpon thy miserable seruant Gerson It should seeme by this that he tooke small comfort in those times when forsaking all confidence in the glory of his Church he would call for mercy at the hands of God rather in the company of a few poore childreÌ„ then in the societie of such as were reputed the Doctors of the world And it may easily be thought Gerson saw more then he either loued or liked because the moderne Papists reiect his iudgement h Resp Card. Bellar. ad resolut Io. Gerson confute his writings and i Fra. Victoria relect 4. p. 138. say This Doctor in all things was an enemie to the Popes authoritie and with his heresie infected many others His opinion touching this matter little different from schisme Yea at this day they see more errors then they will reforme O God saith k Naucler pag. 499. one of their Historiographers what will become of our age when our vices are grown to that that they haue scarce left vs any place with God for mercy What couetousnesse is therein Priests what lust what ambition what idlenes what pompe what ignorance both of theÌ„selues and of Christian doctrine how little religion and fained rather then true God haue mercy on vs. 12 And hâ—â—â— omitting the way that is by triall of arguments I offer certaine externall markes and sensible tokens whereby the falshood of the Romane Church may be discouered the most resolute Papist that liueth moued to misdoubt his owne religion for it is vnpossible that these things following should be found in the true Church or practised by men of the right faith The first is their enmitie with the sacred Scriptures the word of God whereof I haue spoken in the 22. Digression of this booke For the words l Esa 8.20 of the Prophet are cleare To the Law to the Testimony if they speake not according to that word it is because there is no light in them And one of their practises against it whereby they haue depriued it froÌ„ being the totall rule hath left theÌ„ vtterly voide of all meanes to secure their faith by and to find the truth For the Church the fathers the Councels the Pope which is all they can pretend are yeelded by themselues to be subiect to error And how can that giue them assurance of their faith which it selfe is not assured from error The second is the very face and outward state and gouernment of their Church cleane contrary to the first antiquitie How vnlike is their Pope to Peter their Cardinals to the Apostles their Prelates to the ancient Bishops in state in ambition in intermedling This is noted at large by many among themselues Zabarella Cusanus Marsilius Occham Duarenus How vnlike is their priuate Masse halfe Communion Latin Seruice Image worship to the ancient Seruice of the Church of God If it were the true Church no continuance of time could thus haue altered it age changeth the colour of a mans haire and the sound of his voice but not his complexion or the shape of his bodie The third is that THERE IS NO POINT OF OVR FAITH BVT MANY LEARNED IN THEIR OWNE CHVRCH HOLD IT WITH VS AND NO POINT OF PAPISTRIE THAT WE HAVE REIECTED BVT SOME OF THEMSELVES HAVE MISLIKED IT AS WELL AS WE And this may be demonstrated in all the questions that are betweene vs and they know it and for that cause haue purged and razed the principall bookes of the elder Papists and some of them they haue vtterly forbidden In the bookes of latter Catholickes also m Index librorum prohib p. 25. §. 3. saith the Index which were written since the yeare 1515. if that which needeth correcting can be amended by taking away or adding of a few things let the correctors see it be done but otherwise let it be wholly razed out The fourth is that the most points of Papistrie are directly and at the first sight absurd and against common sence and the law of nature For who can conceiue
Apostles if it reach to the Church so that if that be the sence which the Iesuite setteth downe then all the Apostles had equall priuiledges from error with Peter and particular Churches and men should be as infallible as the whole Church it selfe which I am sure the Iesuite will not grant Thirdly Saint Austine i Tract 96. in Ioh. tom 9. expoundeth the words as I do He shall teach or leade you into all truth this I think cannot be fulfilled in any mans mind in this life for who is he liuing in this bodie so corrupt and loading the soule that can know all truth when the Apostle saith we know but in part But forasmuch as by the holy Ghost it cometh to passe whose earnest we haue receiued that hereafter we may come to the fulnesse it self whereof the same Apostle saith then shall we see him face to face and now I know but in part but then I shall know as I am knowne not that which shall be in this lâ—fe onely but all that which shall befall vs till the perfection come the Lord by the loue of his spirit hath promised saying He shall teach you all truth As for the Iesuites exposition that he may remaine with you for euer not onely for sixe hundred yeares it smelleth either of his malice or ignorance For which of vs euer yet said the holy Ghost departed from the Church after sixe hundred yeares Let the Papists deale sincerely and leaue their coyning 6 The fourth place is Math. 28.19 Go teach all nations Whereto I answer first these words were spoken to the Apostles onely and not to that which the Iesuite calleth the Catholike Church Now I grant their teaching was infallible and all men were bound to heare it for they taught that which afterward they writ in the Scripture yet so they taught and with such commission that k Act 17.11 the people are commended which examined their teaching by the Scriptures Secondly we grant the Pastors of the Church in all ages haue commission to teach likewise but that proueth not all their teaching to be alway infallible because naturall corruption hanging on them they may faile in that which is committed to them Neither is this any inconuenience binding vs sometime to beleeue that which is false for the bond hath a limitatioÌ„ that we heare them so farre as they teach agreeable with the scriptures and no further and by those scriptures we may relieue our selues if they chance to teach falsly 7 The fift place is Luk. 10.16 He that heareth you heareth me Which words were spoken to the Apostles all whose teaching and writing was true infallibly and therefore were sufficient warrant to the hearers to accept it But being applied to the Church and ordinary Pastors therein l Ferus lib. 3 in Math. cap. 23. they must be vnderstood with this caution if they hold them to the instructions that Christ giueth them if they come in the name of Christ deliuering his words truly and consonant to the scripture for such are to be heard as Christ himselfe else m 1. Ioh. 4.1 1. Cor. 14.32 we must trie the spirits and iudge of the Prophets This place therefore being to be vnderstood conditionally proueth not that which the Iesuite concludeth absolutely and vniuersally 8 The sixt place is Math. 23.2 The Scribes and Pharises sit in Moses chaire all therefore whatsoeuer they bid you obserue that obserue and do Which words I grant must be vnderstood of the Ministers of the Gospel that succeed the Apostles as wel as of the Pharises that sate in Moses chaire therefore I answer three things 1. I mislike it not that he compareth the Priests and Bishops of his Church to the Scribes and Pharises 2. By Moses chaire is meant neither outward succession nor iudiciall authoritie but the profession of Moses law 3. n Si quae cuÌ„que dixerint nobis ea facere iubemur cur alio loco Christus cauere voluit à feâ—mento Pharisaeorum cur rursum eorum traditiones exemplo etiam proprio coÌ„temnere docuit aliquid ergo doctrinae propriae puritati euangelij admiscere possunt in quo non solùm non sunt audiendi sed sunt etiam refutandi Id ergo prae cauit Christus ne plebs malis docentium exemplis ad contemptionem verae doctrinae inducatur Nunc ergo quae dixetint nobis Pharisaei eadem facere iubet Christus cum super Cathediam Mosis federint hoc est legem enarrauerint docucrint proposuerint Can. loc l. 5. c. 4. Our Sauior doth not simply commaund the people to obey the Pharisees in all points of their doctrine or teach them that their locall succession did priuiledge them from error but onely that they should not for their euill life be offended at that which they might at any time teach well because though their life were wicked yet that which they taught out of Moses chaire that is to say according to Moses law must be followed Now this was far from enioyning them in all points to do according to the doctrine of the Scribes and Pharises as I proue by foure reasons first o Iansen concord euang cap. 120. Em. Sa. notat in Math. 23. v. 3. the Popish expositors say this place bindeth vs not to obey them if they teach that which is euill for that is to teach against the chaire Which exposition granteth we are not bound to heare them in all points without limitation as p Ecce sine limitatione aliqua Martin Peres de tradit part 3. pag. 328. a Popish Bishop speaketh with the Iesuite and supposeth they may teach vntruly in some points Secondly if I may refuse them in some points then hence it followeth vnanswerably that there is another rule whereby I may be directed in hearing for else how should a man be able to distinguish those points wherein he must follow his teachers from those wherein he must not Thirdly the Pharisees taught many errors and blasphemies both q Math. 5.20 25.3 23.13 against the law of Moses and r Marc. 14.64 Ioh 7.48 8 13. 9.22.24 19.7.15 against the diuinitie of Christ in which regard our Sauiour bad his disciples Å¿ Mat. 26.6.12 to beware of the leauen of the Pharises which was their doctrine Wherein he had gainsaid himselfe if by Moses chaire he had meant any thing but the prescript of the law or by those words had commaunded vs in all points to do according to the Prelates doctrine for then the Iewes must not haue honored parents nor loued their enemies nor beleeued in Christ because the Pharises taught against these things Lastly t Gloss in Mat. 23.2 Nicol. Gorr ibid. Arias Mâ—ntâ—n elucid ibid. the Papists themselues expounding the place write that to sit in Moses chaire is to teach according to the doctrine and rule of Moses law and to commaund things agreeable thereunto that is to say true doctrine and the same
5 when he said I would not beleeue the Gospell vnlesse the authoritie of the Church did moue me For though the testimonie of the Church by reason of mens infirmitie afore they beleeue be requisite to draw them on to consent to the Scriptures as children afore they can go hold themselues by the side of a stoole and so learne to go yet is not the credite of the Church or authority of men the thing whereby we know and distinguish the Scripture from other writings but the authoritie of Gods spirit is it that by the help of the Church worketh faith in vs. Digression 19. Touching the place of S. August cont epist. fundam cap. 5. and the matter which the Papists gather from it 4 The Papists haue a principle among them that the Scriptures receiue all their authoritie from the Church meaning thereby g Rhem. Gal. 6.2 that they are not knowne to be true neither are Christians bound to receiue them without the attestation of the Church h Ioan. de Turrecr suê‘ dist 9. Noli meis nu 4. Which testimonie declareth vnto vs which be the Scriptures and which not i Baron annal tom 1. an 53. nu 11. so that by the tradition of the Church all the Gospel receiueth his authority and is built therupon as vpon a foundatioÌ„ and cannot subsist without it Yea k Bosius de sign eccl tom 2 pag. 439. some of them write that the Scripture is not to be reckoned among such * Principia principles as before all things are to be credited but it is proued confirmed by the church * Quasi per quoddam principium as by a certain principle which hath autority to reiect allow Scripture And l D. Standish Treat of the Script c. 6. probat 3. a countriman of ours hath left written that in three points the authoritie of the Church is aboue the authoritie of the Scripture The second is for that the Church receiued the Gospel of Luke and Marke and did reiect the Gospels made by his high Apostles Thomas and Bartlemew The which speeches of theirs when the Papists haue expounded how they can yet this will be the vpshot that in all discourses concerning religion the last resolution of our faith shall be into the Churches authoritie 5 For confirmation whereof they bring you see this of Austine I would not haue beleeued the Gospel vnlesse the Churches authority moued me In which words he speaketh of the time past afore he was conuerted and according to the phrase of his countrey putteth the preterimperfect tense for the preterpluperfect tense meaning thus I had not now beleeued the Gospell and bene a Christian but that the Church by her reasons perswaded me thereunto speaking onely of the practise of Christians who by their perswasions conuert many to the Gospell And that he speaketh of the time pâ—st when he was an vnbeleeuer it is plain not onely by viewing the place but by the testimonie of a learned Papist m Can loc l. 2. c. 8. pag. 34. who saith Austine had to do with a Manichee who would haue a certaine Gospell of his owne without controuersie admitted therefore Austine asketh what they will do if they chance to meet with one * Qui ne Euangelio quidem credat which beleeueth not the Gospell and by what arguments they will draw him into their opinion n Certè se affirmat non aliter potuisse adduci vt Euangeliâ—m amplectâ—retâ—â— quà m Ecclesiae authoritate victum Verily he affirmeth that â—e for his part could not otherwise be drawne to embrace the Gospel but being ouercome with the authorie of the Church therefore he doth not teach that the credite of the Gospell is founded on the Churches authoritie Whereby it is plaine that Austine propoundeth himselfe as an instance of one that beleeueth not which he could not be when he wrote this but by speaking of the time past And though it were throughly proued that he spake of himselfe being a Christian and in that estate said he would not beleeue the Gospell vnlesse the authoritie of the Church moued him yet were it not proued hereby that he meant the present Church as it runneth from time to time or the Church of Rome or any other place as it now standeth For if some Papists misse it not he meant the Church which was in the Apostles times which saw Christs miracles and heard his preaching Durand o 3. d. 24. q. 1. in litera o. saith That which is spoken concerning the approbation of the Scripture by the Church is meant onely of that Church which was in the Apostles time Of the same mind are p Dried de var. dogm l. 4. c. 4. Gers de vita anima Occham dial l. 1. part 1. c 4. others whereby he may see that Austine giueth a kind of authoritie to the Church but it is not that Church which should serue his turne Neither is the authoritie giuen large enough to reach the Popish conceit or the Iesuites conclusion if we had not the testimony of the Church we could not be infallibly sure that there were any Gospell at all nor know these bookes to be Scripture for Canus a Doctor of his owne q Vbi supra confesseth I do not beleeue that the Euangelist saith true because the Church telleth me he saith true but because God hath reuealed it And r Triplicat incho 〈◊〉 uers Whitak in Admon Stapleton The inward testimonie of the spirit is so effectuall for the beleeuing of any point of faith that by it alone any matter may be beleeued though the Church hold her peace or be neuer heard And Å¿ Comment theol tom 3. pag. 31 Gregorie of Valence The reuelation of the Scripture is beleeued not vpon the credit of any other reuelation but for it selfe And t qâ—â— Sent. 1 q. 1. art 3. pag 50. liâ—eta C. â—â—ce Greg. Arimin prolog n sent q. 1. art 3. pag. 4. Cardinall Cameracensis The verities contained in the Canon of the Bible onely are the principles and foundation of Diuinitie and receiue not their authority by other things whereby they may be demonstrated And therefore this testimonie of Austine proueth not that he beleeued the Gospel through the Churches authoritie as by a Theologicall principle whereby the Gospel might be proued true but onely as it were by a cause mouing him to credite it as if he should say I would not beleeue the Gospell vnlesse the holinesse of the Church or Christs miracles did moue me In which saying though some cause of his beleeuing the Gosp ll be assigned yet u Compare this wâ—â— the place of Bozius alledged in the beginning of this Digress letter a. no former principle is touched whose credite might be the cause why the Gospell should be beleeued These speeches of our very aduersaries which the truth it selfe hath wroong from them deserue to be obserued the more because
flesh of Christ § 52. Fourthly the Protestants Church is not Apostolike because they cannot deriue their pedegree lineally without interruption from the Apostles as the Romane Church can from S. Peter but are enforced to acknowledge some other as Luther or Caluin or some such from whom mediatly or immediatly they haue receiued by succession the Preachers of their faith Luther and Caluin themselues being not sent of anie to teach this new faith nor succeeding lawfully to anie Apostolike Bishop or Pastor but being as Optatus Mileuitanus said lib. 2. contra Parmen Victor the Donatist an hereticke was Filij sine patre discipuli sine magistro Children without a father scholers without a maister Or as S. Cyprian lib. 1. Epist writeth of Nouatus Nemini succâ—dentes à seipsis Episcopi ordinati sunt Succeeding to none were ordained Bishops of themselues The Answer 1 Our answer is that the succession required to make a Church Apostolicke must be defined by the doctrine and not by the place or persons that is to say they must be reputed the Apostles successors which beleeue the Apostles doctrine although they haue not this outward succession of Pastors visibly following one another in one place throughout all ages as the Iesuite saith it is in the Romane Church For Saint Paul a Ephes 2.20 telleth the Ephesians they are built vpon the foundation of the Apostles and Prophets in respect of their calling to the knowledge of the Gospel and yet they had not lineally as the Iesuite meaneth it descended from the Prophets And Nazianzene saith b Laud. Athan. Succession in godlinesse is properly to be accounted succession For he that holdeth the same doctrine is also partaker of the same succession as he that is against the doctrine must be reputed to be also out of the succession Which being granted the Iesuites discourse about succession is soone answered To the same effect speaketh his owne c D. 4. Non est facile Canon They are not the children of the Saints that sit in their places but which do their workes Yea the Iesuites confesse this For Posseuine d Not. verbi Dei pag. 328. ad interrog 11. writeth that the true Church is called Apostolicke not onely for the succession of Bishops from the Apostles but also for the consanguinitie of doctrine And Gregory of Valenza e Tom. 3. pag. 141. proprietas 4. telling why the Church is called Apostolicke in the Nicene Creed giueth onely three reasons First because it began in the Apostles next because by them it was spred all ouer the world thirdly because it still followeth their faith and authoritie Waldensis f Tom. 1. doctrinal l. 2. art 2. cap. 18. saith The Apostles filled the whole Church with wholsome doctrine and in that respect the whole Catholicke Church is also called Apostolicke By all which it is plaine that for the being of an Apostolicke Church it is sufficient if it hold the Apostles faith though it want the Iesuites succession mentioned 2 Whence it followeth that although it were granted the Romane Church could shew a perpetual succession of Prelates without interruption from S. Peter which the Iesuit saith may be shewed but g See digress I deny yet were it not thereby proued Apostolike vnlesse these Prelates had also retained S. Peters doctrine that the reader may see all other marks of the Church must be tried by the doctrine and that the Iesuits succession and vnitie and vniuersality proue nothing vnlesse the true faith concurre therewith 3 Whence it followeth again that it is no disaduantage to the Protestant Churches if holding the Apostles doctrine they want externall succession of place persons such as the Iesuite boasteth of because the Apostolicknesse of the Church is not to be defined by it but wheresoeuer the true faith contained in the Scriptures is professed and embraced there is the whole and full nature of an Apostolicke Church 4 And so I answer the Iesuites discourse in particular that we can deriue our faith from the Apostles and that without interruption in that to this day it was neuer interrupted though such as succeeded visibly in bishops thrones did not alway professe it it is sufficient that their malice could neuer extinguish it and the professors and teachers thereof liued in the Romane Church it selfe which beside all other testimonies we know by this that it is the faith of the Scriptures which cannot be extinguished but groweth in the middest of all her enemies 5 And touching Luther and Caluin I answer Touching the calling of Luther that whatsoeuer is said against them dependeth vpon another point which is the faith that they taught For if that were the truth theÌ„ no doubt they were sent of God to teach it we hearing them receiued it of them no otherwise then Gods faithful people are bound to receiue the Gospell of their Pastors And whereas he saith they succeeded no Apostolick Bishop neither had any calling to preach that new faith I answer that for the externall succession whereof I haue spoken we care not it is sufficient that in doctrine they succeeded the Apostles and Primitiue Churches and those faithfull witnesses which in all ages since embraced the same in persecution though they succeeded not in that open manner that was vsed afore heresie and persecution grew And albeit the Romane Church would not heare them yet had they a lawfull calling First inwardly from God who stirred them vp gaue them gifts directed them by his spirit and blessed their labor then outwardly in the Church of Rome it selfe where they were created Doctors of Diuinity and Pastors to teach the people as they were baptized by vertue whereof they might lawfully preach afterward that which by the Scriptures they found to be the truth and did lineally succeed the true Pastors of the Church that liued before them If it be obiected that hauing their calling in the Church of Rome it will follow thereupon that only the Church of Rome is the true Church this is easily answered by denying the consequence For the Church of God and the Papacie were mingled together and were both called by one name the church of Rome by reason that in diuers things that were good and indifferent they communicated So that euen in the Papacie many of the things of Gods Church remained as the Scripture Baptisme and these callings which the Pope and his Clergie occupying did as pirates that occupie another mans ship and his goods therein and therefore conferring baptisme and callings to diuers persons that afterwards forsooke the Pope the said persons notwithstanding rightly inherited them as the true Churches goods which the Papacie vsurped And whereas the Iesuite saith they were not sent to preach this new faith I answer him that this new faith as he styleth it is the true faith therfore euen that sending which they had bound them to preach it though at the first it reuealed it not
to them but God did it by meanes of the Scriptures and faithfull professors that lay secretly hidden in the middest of the Papacie and when they saw the truth they needed no other outward allowance to preach then that which they had to preach the Gospell as the Iesuite will thinke that himselfe being baptized in the Church of England after the order thereof with intent that he should also professe that faith yet afterward falling to Papistry needeth no other baptisme but by vertue of it may vse the libertie of other Christians The very same we say of Luther and Caluins callings whereby they are freed from the imputations that Cyprian and Optatus lay vpon the Donatists For such as haue no lawfull admission are children indeed without a father and scholers without a maister and Bishops without succession or what the Iesuite will but these men had a calling else let vs see what will be said to that I haue answered § 53. This succession of Priests and Bishops continually from the Apostles which we haue and the Protestants want the ancient Fathers did much esteeme and vse as an argument partly to confound the heretickes of those dayes partly to confirme themselues to continue in the Catholicke Church prouing by the succession of Pastors succession of Apostolicall doctrine still to haue continued in the Church Hereupon S. Irenaeus lib. 3. ca. 3. saith Traditionem ab Apostolis annuntiatam hominibus fidem per successionem Episcoporum peruenientem vsque ad nos indicantes confundimus omnes eos qui quoquo modo vel per sui placentiam malam vel vanam gloriam vel per coecitatem colligunt praeterquam oportet Shewing the tradition from the Apostles and the faith preached vnto men coming vnto vs by succession of Bishops we confound all them who any way either through euill complacence of themselues or through vaine-glorie or through blindnesse and euill opinion do collect and conclude otherwise then they ought Hereupon also saith Tertullian writing against heretickes Edant origines suarum Ecclesiarum euoluant ordinem Episcoporū ista per successionem ab initio decurrentes vt primus ille Episcopus aliquem ex Apostolis vel Apostolicis viris qui tamen cum Apostolis perseuerauerit authorem habuerit vel antecessorem Lib. de praescript Let them set forth the beginning of their Church let them vnfold or declare the order of Bishops so running from the beginning by succession that the first Bishop of their sect had some of the Apostles or Apostolicke men who perseuered with the Apostles for his author or predecessor Also S. Austine contra Epist Fundam c. 4. saith Tenet me in Ecclesia Catholica ab ipsa sede Petri Apostoli cui pascendas oues suas Dominus commendauit vsque ad praesentem Episcopum successio Sacerdotum The succession of Priests from the seate of S. Peter the Apostle to whom our Lord commended his sheepe to be fed vntill this present Bishop doth hold me in the Catholicke Church The same S. Austin Epist 105. doth dispute in the same maner In which Epistle he reckoneth vp all the Bishops of Rome vntill Anastasius who was in his time Bishop in S. Peters seate Cypr. lib. 1. Epist 6. Optat. lib. 2. cont Parmen The which argument those Fathers would neuer so much haue vrged if they had not thought that this succession was a sure marke of the true Church and that with this outward succession of Doctors and Pastors was alway infallibly conioyned the true doctrine of the Catholicke faith The Answer 1 How much soeuer the within named Fathers or any other stood vpō the outward succession of Bishops in their days yet that will do the Romane Church no good at this day The reason is because then none had succeeded but such as kept the Apostles faith which now is otherwise For many Popes since that time haue succeeded which haue bene hereticks as I haue shewed Digress 28. This difference betweene their times and ours must be diligently obserued that the fathers speeches concerning succession may be rightly vnderstood and the Papists arguments grounded on them may directly be answered For Irenaeus in the place quoted saith the Apostolicke tradition or doctrine and faith which they preached to men was come to them by succession of Bishops Whereby it appeareth they had not yet discouered that apostasie in Bishops thrones which afterward ensued but the true faith remained still which now in the Church of Rome it doth not Let our aduersaries therfore bring those times back againe and restore vs the Bishops that then succeeded and we will allow them the same argument of succession that the fathers made or else not For Hegesippus speaking of that time a Euseb hist l. 4. c. 22. saith that as the law and the Prophets and the Lord himselfe had taught so was it in euery succession and euery citie Now it is contrary as the Friers and Iesuites and the Pope himselfe haue deuised so is it in euery succession and euery citie of the Church of Rome Which is a manifest reason why the Fathers argument drawne fom succession cannot benefite the externall succession of Popes in that Church at this day 2 Againe they vsed succession as an argument to proue their Church but not in that manner that our aduersaries vse it to proue theirs For first the Iesuit would make vs beleeue that by the succession of Pastors the succession of Apostolicall doctrine is proued to continue yea he saith that with outward succession of doctors and Pastors was alway infallibly conioyned the true doctrine This the Fathers neuer said as shall appeare in my speciall answer to their words Neither would the Iesuite haue said it him self if he had remembred the Greek Churches which haue as lineall succession from Saint Mark and Saint Andrew as Rome hath from Saint Peter and yet b Can. loc l. 4. c. vlt. pag. 143. they are counted heretical Yea Bellarmine c Not. eccl c. 8. saith It is not necessarily gathered that the Church is alway there where there is succession which sheweth the Iesuits rashnes in his assertion For if the true faith were infallibly conioyned with the outward succession then it would necessarily follow that the true Church is alway there where succession is which Bellarmine denieth 3 But with succession of persons the Fathers alway ioyned succession of doctrine and by them both together confuted schismaticks Thus doth Irenaeus in the very words alledged and d L. 4. c. 43. in another place more fully We must saith he obey those elders which haue succession from the Apostles which with the succession of their Bishopricks haue receiued the certaine gift of truth as for the rest which want this principall succession we must suspect them Marke how he directeth you to embrace that succession which holdeth the doctrine also and refuse that which hath it not which had bin idle if the doctrine had bin so vnited to succession that it
could not haue bin without it Now our aduersaries say otherwise 4 Secondly the Fathers insisted on the succession of other Churches as well as the Church of Rome which proueth manifestly that the succession which they assumed proueth not the Church of Rome to be the Church of God because it proueth not other Churches so to be Our aduersaries haue e Posseuin noc verbi Dei pag. 329. written that the ancient Fathers reckoned not vp the successors of other Bishops alike as they did the successors of the Romane chaire but this is an vntruth proceeding of desperation for Irenaeus in the chapter alledged mentioneth the Churches of Smyrna Ephesus Asia and in f L. 1. c. 3. another place the Churches of Germany Spaine France Egypt Lybia and others And Tertullian g Praescript referreth vs to Corinth Philippi Thessalonica Ephesus Rome Whereby it is plaine that if Rome be now the true Church because the Fathers mention the succession thereof then the Churches of Greece must be granted to be the true Church also because the Fathers mention their succession also which in Constantinople and Alexandria is preserued to this day But in that they reckon vp the succession of other Churches as well as of Rome it appeareth that they thought it was tied no more to Rome then to others 5 Out of all this that I haue said I answer to the places alledged And first to Irenaeus that he saith not simply he conuinced heretiks by shewing succession but by shewing the faith which successiuely had continued to his time and we are contented the Iesuite conuince vs so too if he can Tertullian biddeth hereticks if they can deduce the succession of their Churches and sectmasters which he might wel do although it would not follow thereupon that wheresoeuer outward succession were there should be also true doctrine And he had reason to make them this challenge for though euery company be not the true Church that hath outward succession yet they pretend themselues so to be therefore he prouoketh them to put the succession in triall and shew if they can that the first author of their sect was an Apostles successor This was a good trial then but now it is not when not onely new seas are erected but the successors in ancient thrones are corrupted Austine saith the succession of Bishops retained him in the Church of Rome And good reason when they succeded in faith as well as in sea If he were now aliue he would say otherwise when the succession such as it is remaineth without the faith it was not the succession alone that retained him but other motiues ioyned with it and mentioned in the same place which now are wanting So likewise h Ep. 165. in his epistle to Generosus he reckoneth vp the Bishops of Rome that had bin till his time not vsing their succession as an argument to proue it the true Church but naming those that had succeeded therein and perseuered in the truth which he then well might do but the Iesuit now cannot in as much as the Popes following declined from the faith of their ancestors Optatus mentioneth the Romane succession as Austin doth reckoning vp a catalogue of the Bishops that had bin in that sea till Siritius time to shew the Donatists that the Church was in other places as well as in Affrick and to admonish them that their Churches wanted succession also and not the true faith onely This is no aduantage to the Iesuites cause For as some hereticks want succession so all that haue it are not proued thereby to be true Catholicks for any thing that Austin or Optatus say That which Cyprian saith receiueth the same answer that I haue giuen to the rest § 54. The which to be conioyned may euidently be proued out of S. Paul himselfe Ephes 4. who saith that our Sauiour Dedit pastores doctores ad consummationem sanctorum in opus ministerij in edificationem corporis Christi donec occurramus omnes in vnitatem fidei agnitionis filij Dei in virum perfectum in mensuram aetatis plenitudinis Christi c. Signifying that Christ appointed these outward functions of Pastors in the Church to continue for the edification and perfection thereof vntill the worlds end especially for this purpose as is said in the same place vt non simus paruidi fluctuantes non circumferamur omni vento doctrinae that we may not be little ones wauering and caried away with euery wind of doctrine Therefore that this ordinance and intention of our Sauiour might haue the purposed effect he must prouide so to assist and direct these Pastours in teaching the true faith that the people their flocke may alwayes by hearing them be preserued from wauering in the ancient faith and from error of new doctrine the which cannot be vnlesse with succession of the Pastors lawfully succeeding be conioyned true doctrine in such sort that all true Pastors shall neuer vniuersally erre or faile to teach the ancient and Apostolicke doctrine For if they should thus vniuersally erre then all the people who do and ought like sheepe follow the voyce of their Pastors should also generally wauer and erre from true faith and be caried about with the wind of new doctrine contrarie to this purpose of almightie God expressed in this place by S. Paule Yea the whole Church which according to S. Gregorie Nazianzene orat de moderat in disput habend consisteth of sheepe and Pastors should vniuersally erre contrarie to diuerse expresse promises of our Sauiour Christ of which I haue spoken somewhat before Since therefore these promises cannot be false nor the purpose of almightie God faile it followeth that the people hearing their Pastors may also infallibly alway learne and continue in the true Apostolike faith consequently that these ordinary Pastors appointed by almightie God of purpose to instruct and confirme the people in true faith shall neuer at least vniuersally faile to teach the true faith And therefore the succession of this externall function of ordinarie Pastors must needs be conioyned with the succession of one and the same true holy Catholike and Apostolike faith The Answer 1 The Iesuite hauing said immediatly before that with the outward successiō was alway infallibly conioyned the true faith now proceedeth to proue it wherin you may easily conceiue he taketh a hard taske in hand because his owne Bellarmine confesseth the contrary a Not. eccl c. ◠It is not necessarily gathered that there is alway the Church where there is succession and the Greek Church at this day proueth it inuincibly against our aduersaries For they haue the succession as entire as Rome it selfe and yet b Bell. ib. §. Dico secundo argum Can. loc l. 4. c. vlt. the Papists thinke them not the Church of God because among diuerse errors they will not submit themselues to the Popes authoritie The Iesuit therefore hath vndertaken to proue that which the learnedst
of his owne side know and confesse to be false But that is ordinary 2 And as his assertion is insolent so he proueth it as weakly though I must confesse he hath verbatim borrowed his discourse from c Greg. Valent. tom 3 d. 1. q. 1. punct 7. §. 25. as learned a Iesuite as euer Iesuited But I answer two things First that no man denieth but the succession of true doctrine and communication which the true Church of God is vnseparably annexed with the succession of Pastors lawfully succeeding I say not the outward succession of Pastors but the true succession of Pastors lawfully succeeding the which are the Iesuites owne words whereto if our aduersaries will hold them and require no more they shall be yeelded vnto and I wil grant the same to be sufficiently proued by the text of Eph. 4. But this neither confuteth vs nor iustifieth the Church of Rome It confuteth not vs because d §. 52. per totam I haue shewed the teachers of our faith do lawfully succeed so alway haue done though not outwardly and visibly to the world And it iustifieth not the Church of Rome forasmuch as the ordinarie Pastors therein succeed not lawfully They succeed in a sort externally sitting in the seats where sometime the Apostles and their successors did but they succeed not lawfully as I will shew in the next section or any other way then the Greecians now do or then the Pharises high Priests did in our Sauiors time when they refused him denying him to be the Sonne of God requiring a murtherer to be giuen vnto thē the which they could not haue done if the Iesuites assertion were true that the faith of Gods Church is infallibly conioyned with the outward succession For they had the outward succession from Aaron lineally without interruption and yet if the people had obeyed them in all things they had led them into an vniuersall error no lesse then the reiecting of the Sonne of God Now if onely lawfull succession haue the truth abiding with it and that is lawfull which succeedeth principally in doctrine retaining the ancient faith as well as the place and externall shew which our aduersaries dare not deny and Tertullian affirmeth e Praescrip c 32 where he saith the Churches that conspire with the Apostles in the same faith are reputed no lesse Apostolicall for the consanguinitie of the doctrine if I say this lawfull succession onely haue the true faith going with it let them say freely and without collusion to what purpose should they pleade their externall succession to iustifie their faith before they haue pleaded their faith to iustifie their succession which when they haue done and they can do it no way but by the Scripture the Protestants will neuer except against their succession but imbrace it And what vanitie is it to obiect against vs that we want outward succession when that succession which is to be stood vpon consisteth not in the circumstances of place and shew but in the retaining of the true faith which may be done without interruption when the outward shew of places and persons is interrupted 3 Secondly I answer further to the text alledged and to all his discourse thereupon granting first that the ministerie of Pastors is the ordinance of God Secondly to continue in his Church for euer Thirdly for the teaching of his people Fourthly in such sort that they shall neuer vniuersally erre or faile to teach the ancient and Apostolicke doctrine Fiftly whereupon the people are bound to heare them And hence it followeth that sixtly where such Pastors succeede the true faith is alway conioyned This is granted But then our aduerries should consider that such Pastors furnished with these promises do not alway succeed openly or in one place without interruption of the externall succession but they may arise and successiuely continue when the world seeth them not or seeing them driueth them from the Episcopall seas that they shal be constrained to teach the Church in secret S. Paul saith Pastors and Doctors shall succeed and succeeding teach the true faith but he saith not all that haue outward succession hold the true faith neither is there any thing in his words that proueth this succession to be of that nature which our aduersaries require Now the question betweene vs is not whether there be a perpetuall succession of Pastors in the Church of Christ that infallibly teach his truth for we deny not that but whether these Pastors be onely they that continue in one place one after another outwardly and visibly at all times to all the world whether Pastors succeeding in this maner be so priuiledged that they cannot erre which we deny and in al Saint Pauls discourse there is not a word against vs because whatsoeuer he saith may be vpholden in that kind of succession that I haue described Againe our English Bishops this day succeed lineally in their places from the first Apostles of our land will the Iesuit therefore grant we are the true Church he will not though indeed we be because they haue changed that which the precedent Bishops held for the true faith the which being thus obiected ouerthroweth himself for now you see that with Pastors succeeding the true faith is not alway ioyned for one may succeed that will change the ancient doctrine which the Iesuite thinketh our English Bishops haue done though they haue not that which is most ancient but we proue against all exception their Italian Popes haue as I haue shewed Digress 49. 51. 52. § 55. But as I haue said before and by many Catholicke writers hath bene proued at large in the Romane Church onely is this lawfull vninterrupted succession of ordinarie Pastors found therfore the Romane Church and those that communicate agree with it is the true Apostolike Church and hath in it alway taught the true Apostolike faith The Answer 1 Lawfull succession is when the persons succeed in doctrine as well as in place which in the Romane Church at this day they do not inasmuch as they are departed from the ancient faith to their owne heresies And this is the principall cause why we deny that which the Iesuite saith here touching the Romane succession 2 We do not deny but they haue a ranke of Bishops whether interrupted or no I will shew in the Digression following externally sitting in Rome one after another but we deny lawfull succession to stand in this And we deny againe that this is found onely there and no where else for it is found in the Greeke Church also at this day as appeareth by e Legat. eccl Alexand. apud Baron annal tom 6. in fine the letters which the Patriarke of Alexandria sent to the Pope about 15. yeares since wherin he stiles himselfe thus Gabriel by the grace of God the seruant of the seat of Saint Marke in the citie of Alexandria in Aegypt and all other places ioyning to him and bordering
bungling workmen that were not their crafts masters till the Smith the Carpenter and the painter came euery one in his place and shewed his skill First the Canonists like blacksmiths blew with the bellowes of their Decrees and hammered and heat it in the coles of the Popes Constitutions these smithes were Gratian Pope Iohn Gregory and Boniface with their prentises that serued them Hostiensis Innocent Panormitane and the rest of that profession Next the Carpenters that tooke it in hand were the Friers and Schoolmen which stretched their line ouer it and brought it into better shape Thomas and Scot and Alexander fashioned it with line and leuel they stretched out the line of Method ouer it and with the thred of a Distinction they plained it where it was rough and with the compasses of their Logick and Philosophy made it in the fashion of a man After that the great Lateran Councell about the yeare 1215. had polished it and giuen it strong ioynts to stand vpon not long after the Councels of Constance Basil and another Lateran hewed it ouer again and altered the fashion in certain points touching the Popes authoritie There some Cardinals Senensis and Cusanus thought the head stood too high aboue the shoulders and would haue had it bowed downe a little lower At last they brought it to Trent into the hands of their best workmen as y Absolutissima Trident. Synod Posseuin biblioth select pag. 18. A. they say who mended it from top to toe and set it vp againe when the wormes had welnigh consumed it since which time the third sort of workmen the Painters haue taken it in hand the Iesuits and their fellowes who neuer cease to paint it day and night There is no colour but they haue tried it to make it beautifull Some with varnish and plaister stop vp the crackes which the Sunne shining vpon it hath made that they might not be seene Bellarmine and his associates in that kind stirre all colours together and varnish ouer the smokie and dustie places so skilfully that a man can scarce tell what the colour is Surius and Baronius with other colours ground by Legendaries cast a shadow ouer it for seeming too youthfull but they haue painted a gray beard to a greene head the rest stand by such as are Sixtus Senensis Lindan Staphylus Posseuine like Censors commending the workmanship and flattering the workmen and extolling the idoll against them they call Lutherans and Caluinists Thus at the last haue they polished their Dagon and set it vp before the Lords Arke saue that it may not be forgotten that with some of it they warme themselues and rost their meate as Pardons the Masse and Purgatorie and laugh in their sleeues at such as turne the spit Ah I am warme I haue bin at the fire 6 This is the labor and workmanship that our aduersaries haue bestowed on their religion to set it forth whereby they haue made their Church so seeming Catholicke And indeed we haue alwayes obserued that there be two principall things which draw mens conceits to Papistrie The first is the Name and report that goeth of the Church of Rome while men perswade themselues that a Church so ancient and renowmed in all ages cannot but be the true Church of God The second is the rumour and opinion of our aduersaries learning as if it were vnpossible so learned men should be deceiued and their writings could be answered Neuerthelesse it is easie enough to see the truth through all this if men will consider of things attentiuely For touching the name and shew of the ROMANE CHVRCH it is but an empty sound of words and titles this present Romane being wholly departed in the questions controuerted from the ancient and retaining nothing but the title This should deceiue no man For the true ancient and Apostolicke Church of Rome so much commended by the Fathers and sought to by the world professed another kind of faith then this doth and the same that now we defend against them whereas this is fallen from it and yet skilfully retaining still the same Seate and Title imposeth maruellously vpon the world hereby Isidorus Pelusiota b L. 3. Epist 408. hath a saying that sheweth the likelihood of this In the daies of the Apostles and afterward when the Church florished and laboured as yet of no disease the diuine graces of God went as it were in a ring round about it the holy Ghost administring all things and all the Bishops thereof inciting and turning it towards heauen afterwards it grew diseased and was troubled with faction and then all those things flew away Thus the Church is like a woman fallen from her ancient happinesse and retaining onely some signes thereof She hath the sheathes and caskets where her ornaments lay but the goods themselues she is spoiled of Not through his carelesnesse and negligence that first enriched her but through their naughtinesse that gouerned not things as they should haue done This Doctor well perceiued that a Church may lose the faith and yet retaine her name still and he saw that in his time things fell to decay and the faith of Christ began to be altered To what purpose then should any man respect the name of the Romane Church when the true faith is changed or what do the prerogatiues and royalties of the ancient Church concerne this that is turned to another religion or who regardeth a house of stately building and honorable title or anticke memory since Iohn of Gaunt when the plague hath infected it and theeues possesse it Besides when it was at the best in the Apostles time and after yet other Churches were commended as well and counted as good as it c Meditat. Respons in iute Graecoroman tom 1. p. 449. These are the words of Balsamon The fiue Patriarkes of Rome Alexandria Constantinople Ierusalem and Antioch had identitie of honour d 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 and obtained the roome of one head ouer the body that is the holy Churches of God And Nicephorus the Patriarke of Constantinople e Concil Ephesin pag. 307. in an Epistle to Leo the Bishop of Rome saith And we also who haue obtained the name of new Rome being built vpon one and the same foundation of faith the Prophets and Apostles where Christ our Sauiour and God is the corner stone f 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 in the matter of faith are nothing behinde the elder Romanes For in the Church of God there is nothing to be reckoned before the rest Wherefore let Saint Paul glory and reioyce in vs also and ioyning new things with old and comparing vs in doctrines and preaching let him glory in vs both alike For we as well as they following his doctrines and institutions wherein we are rooted are confirmed in the confession of our faith wherein we stand and reioice c. So that the Greeke Churches in the East thought themselues equall with Rome and the commendations of the
informe vs to euerie good work to teach vs Christ crucified g 1. Cor. 2.2 and Paul desired to know no more to giue vs light in darknesse to beget our faith Shall we be reuoked from al other teachers to theÌ„ and finally is there no councell no comfort no doctrine no resolution needfull for vs but there it may be found and yet it cannot be the rule it is impious to thinke it blasphemous to say it The primitiue Church spake farre otherwise 4 And consider how the Iesuit can answer the places without tergiuersatioÌ„ h Ep. 80. â—d Eustat medicuÌ„ 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 p. 334 Basil saith Let the holy Scripture be arbitrator betweene vs and whosoeuer hold opinions consonant to those heauenly oracles let the truth be adiudged on their side Optatus disputing against a Donatist thus presseth him i Cont. ParmeÌ„ lib 5. We are saith he to enquire out some to be iudges betweene vs in these controuersies the Christians cannot because both sides cannot yeeld them and by parts taking the truth shal be hindred The iudge must be had from without our selues If a Pagan he knowes not the mysteries of Christianitie if a Iew he is an enemie to baptisme therefore vpon the earth no iudgement concerning this matter can be found * De coelo quaerendus est iudex et qui in tumulo quiescit tacitis de tabulis loquitur viuus voluÌ„tas eius velut in testamento sic in Euangelio inquiratur the iudge must be had from heauen but to what end should we knocke at heauen when here we haue one in the Gospell k Contra Hermog TertulliaÌ„ calleth the Scriptures the rule of faith And l Hom. 13. in 2. Cor. Chrysostome a most exquisite rule and exact squire and ballance to try all things by And m Orat. de iis qui adeuÌ„t Hicrosol 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 Gregory Nyssen a straite and inflexible rule Austin n De bono viduit c. 1. tom 4. saith the Scripture pitcheth downe the rule of our faith And againe he o De. Nupt. concup ad Valer l 2. c. 33. saith This controuersie depending betweene vs requires a iudge let Christ therefore iudge and let the Apostle Paul iudge with him because Christ also speaketh in his Apostle And p Ep. 112. ad Paulin. againe If a matter be grounded on the cleare authority of the holy Scripture such I meane as the Church calleth canoniall it is to be beleeued without all doubt but as for other witnesses and testimonies vpoÌ„ whose credit any thing may be vrged vnto vs to beleeue it it is lawfull for thee either to credit or not to credit them according as thou shalt perceiue them of weight to deserue or not to deserue credit q De Error profan relig Arcana ProphetaruÌ„ veneranda paÌ„dantur ad sistat nobis sanctorum oraculorum fides pag. 61 Iulius Firmicus Let the mysteries of the Prophets be opened let the credit of the holy oracles stand by vs. r Ho. 1. in Ier. Origen We must of necessitie call the Scriptures to witnesse for our sences and interpretations without them are of no credit Å¿ De doctr Christ lib. 2. c. 9 Austin All points which concerne faith and good life are found in those things which are plainly set downe in Scripture t Ibid. c. 42. And whatsoeuer thing it be that a man learne out of the Scripture if it be hurtfull there it is condemned if it be profitable there it is found u Catech. 4 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 pag 15. Cyril the Bishop of Ierusalem Concerning the holy and heauenly mysteries of faith we must not deliuer any thing though neuer so small without the holy Scripture neither may we be led away with probabilities and shew of words neither yet beleeue me barely saying these things vnto you vnlesse thou also receiue the demonstration thereof from the Scripture For the security of our faith ariseth from the demostration of the holy Scripture x Theod. â—â—it lib. 1. c. 7. pag. 2â—4 The Empereur Constantine in his speech to the Bishops of the Nicen Councel hath this memorable saying y 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 c. We haue the teaching of the holy Ghost written For the Euangelicall and Apostolicke bookes and the decrees of the old Prophets do euidently teach vs the things that are needfull to be knowne concerning God Therefore lâ—ying aside all contention let vs out of the diuine-inspired Scripture take the resolution of those things we seeke for Thus the ancient Church would neuer haue spoken if it had bene of the Iesuites mind that the Scriptures alone cannot be the rule to direct our faith 5 And very common sense may confirme their iudgement For if the written word be granted to be the rule in one point as z August de Trinit lib. 15. cap. vltim in the Trinitie for example who may deny it to be the rule in another seeing the rule is but one for all and the nature thereof is to be perfect as the Iesuit himselfe requireth Again what father what councell or Churches iudgement is so absolute what doctrine or exposition so likely a Act 17.11 Ioh. 5.39 but it is examined by the Scriptures And when the Papists haue said what they can they are constrayned to grant that all other authority is finally resolued into the authoritie of the Scripture these are the words of Gregory of Valence b Comment Theolog. in Thom. tom 3. disp 1 qu. 1. punct 1. pag. 31. If a man be asked why he beleeues for example that God is one in nature and three in person let him answer because God hath reuealed it If againe he be demanded how he knoweth that God hath reuealed it let him answer that indeed he knoweth it not euideÌ„tly but beleeueth it infallibly by faith and that vpon no other reuelatioÌ„ c bene tamen ob insallibâ—lem propositionem Ecclesiae tanquam conditionem but yet the infallible proposition of the Church as a condition requisite for the beleeuing it doth wel moue him theruÌ„to d Sirursus vnde cognoscat propositionem Ecclesiae esse infallibilems fimiliter dicat se clarè noÌ„ nosse credere tamen fide infallibili ob reuelationeÌ„ Scripturae testimonio perhibentis Ecclesiae cui reuelationi noÌ„ credit ob aliam reuelationem sed ob seipsam If again you aske And how doth he know the proposition of the Church to be infallible let him likewise say he knoweth it not euidently but beleeueth it infallibly because the Scripture hath reuealed it giuing testimony to the Church which reuelation he beleeues not vpon the credit of any other reuelation but for it selfe though hereunto the proposition of the Church as a requisite condition be needfull Let this speech of the Iesuite be well noted 6 Finally the euidence of this truth is such that it conuinceth the Papists themselues many
the holy Ghost Now to be inspired of God and to be the true word of God is all one The former is written we see expresly of all Scripture therefore of euery booke and therefore the latter is also written 4 If the Iesuite reply but where is it written that these bookes which we haue be the same of whom it is said they are inspired of God or how know you the Scripture that telleth you so is the word of God I answer this is nothing to the purpose for he desireth onely to know where it is written that these bookes be the word of God and I answer him by naming the places out of the bookes themselues Digression 12. Wherein it is shewed that the Scripture proueth it selfe to be the very word of God and receiueth not authority from the Church 5 It is another question how I know this Scripture that saith so of it selfe to be the word of God for this is knowne first and principally by the illumination of Gods spirit as by the inward meanes f 1. Cor. 12.7.11 and is giuen to euery man to profit withall which worketh all things in all men and then by the testimonie of the scriptures themselues which is the outward meanes which openeth the eyes of the godly the testimonie of the Apostles and Prophets that penned them as Gods secretaries and the ministery of the Church inducing vs to assent These three latter being onely the instruments euery one in his owne order whereby God doth enlighten vs. 6 So that the certaintie of the Scripture is not written indeed with letters in any particular place or booke thereof but g See Scot. prolog in sent q. 2. Cameracens 1. q. 1. art 2. part 2. concil 1. the vertue and power that sheweth it selfe in euery line and leafe of the Bible proclaimeth it to be the word of the eternall God and the sheepe of Christ discerne the voice and light thereof as men discerne light from darknes sweet from sowre h 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 Basil epist 1. ad Naz. and know children by their fauour resembling the parents the puritie and perfection of the matter the maiesty of the dispensation i Non mouent non persuadeÌ„t sacrae literae sed cogunt agitant vim inferunt Legis rudia verba agrestia sed viua sed animata flammea aculeata ad imum spiritum penetrantia hominem totum potestate mirabili transformaÌ„tia Ioan. fr. Pic. Mirand exam van doctr gent. li. 2. cap. 2. Which speech of Picus is reported and commended by Posseuinus in Ciceron c. 11. the maiestie of the speech the power that it hath ouer the conscience the certaine prophecies the strange miracles contained in it the great antiquitie beyond all bookes the admirable preseruation of it against time and tyrants the sweete harmony of euery part with other the diuels rage against them that follow it the vengeance that hath pursued all such as haue not obeyed it the successe of the faith contained in it the readinesse of so many millions of men to confirme it with their bloud the testimony of aduersaries and strangers for it the simplicitie of the writers all this and much more shining to vs out of the Scripture it selfe I hope is another maner of assurance then the Church of Romes lying traditions 7 Therefore the Iesuites collection is idle if we must needs admit some other rule beside the Scripture to assure vs that there is any Scripture at all why should we not admit the same to assure vs which is the true sence for we admit both alike that is to say as we reiect the Church froÌ„ being the rule of exposition so do we also disclaime the authoritie thereof in canonization But the Iesuite is of another mind holding possible that vnlesse the authoritie of the Church did teach vs that this Scripture is canonical it should be of small credit with him as k Lib. 3. de authorit Scripturae Hosius speaketh or All the authoritie which the Scripture hath with vs dependeth of necessitie on the Churches as saith l Hier. l. 1. c. 2. Pighius or as m Epist Synod respons de authoritate Concilij pag. 700. Crab. the Councell of Basil saith That is called the holy Scripture which the Church declareth to be holy not onely the decrees and opinions of the Church be authenâ—icke and such as we must without contradiction stand vnto but also her deeds and customes must be vnto vs * Instar habeaÌ„t sanctarum scripturarum in steed of the Scriptures for the Scripture and the Churches custome both require the same affection and fashion or as Wolfangus Hermannus said and n Vbi supra Hosius defendeth his saying as good The Scripture is of no more authoritie then Aesops Fables but that the Church and Popes approue it All which if the Iesuite hold too then you may see what he requireth when he saith we must put some other rule then the Scriptures to assure vs both of the Scripture and of the true sence 8 But in what a miserable case are these men thus presumptuously to tell their followers that which at another time when they are out of the heate of their disputations they dare not stand to but vtterly renounce for o Catech. cap. de praecep eccl nu 16. Canisius saith We beleeue adhere and giue the greatest authoritie to the Scripture for the testimonies sake of the holy Ghost speaking in it p De verb. Dei lib. 1. cap. 2. Bellarmine saith Other meanes may deceiue me but nothing is more knowne nothing more certaine then the Scripture that it were the greatest madnesse in the world not to beleeue them the Christian world and consent of all nations with whom they haue bene in credit so many ages can witnesse they containe not mens inuentions but heauenly oracles q 3. dist 25. dub 3. Biel saith The Catholicke verities without any approofe of the Church of their owne nature are vnchangeable and vnchangeably true and so are to be reputed vnchangeably Catholicke r Comment in Tho. tom 3. p 2. 31. Venet. Gregory of Valence saith The reuelation of the Scripture is beleeued not vpon the credit of any other reuelation but for it selfe D. Stapleton confesseth two things concerning this matter which bewray the weaknesse of the Iesuites assertion Å¿ Defens Eccl. authorit aduer Whitak l. 1. c. 9 first that all the former writings of the Bible may be assured to vs by the latter as for example the old Testament by the authoritie of the new t Triplicat inchoat aduers Whitak in admonit Secondly that the inward testimonie of the spirit is so effectuall for the beleeuing of any point of faith that by it alone any matter may be beleeued though the Church hold her peace or neuer be heard Now if the former may receiue authoritie from the latter then we may be assured of them otherwise then by
teach him the faith of Christ and this the Apostle saith the Scriptures are able to do By which word Able the other word Profitable must be expounded For the Apostle to manifest their abilitie produceth their profitablenesse which were no good argument if their profitablenesse were not complete Besides it cannot be denyed but all sufficient things are profitable and therefore hence it followeth by the rule of conuersion that therefore some profitable things are sufficient And so may the scripture be sufficient 3 Secondly he answereth They be profitable and sufficient because they commend vnto vs the Churches authoritie which is sufficient But this is a shift For 1. then they are not sâ—fficient in that they coÌ„mend no such authoritie to vs. 2. If this be a good answer theÌ„ so many books of the Bible be superfluous For this one place or b Hold the traditions the fifteenth verse of the second chapter of the second Epistle to the Thessalonians for example were sufficient because according to the Iesuites exposition it commendeth to vs the authoritie of the Church which is able to instruct vs. 3. The text is euident that the profitablenesse thereof standeth in teaching reprouing correcting and instructing now if it stand in this wholly then the Iesuits conceit is excluded if but in part then let him shew what we need more for our saluation then doctrine reproofe correction and instruction 4. There was neuer any Papist in the world that durst alledge this text for the authoritie of the Church and yet granting the Iesuites exposition it should proue it inuincibly 5. The Church it selfe whereunto he saith the Scripture sendeth vs for our sufficient instruction receiueth her doctrine out of the Scriptures The Church saith c Tract 3. in 1. epist Ioh. Austin is our mother her brests are the two testaments of the Scripture whence she giueth her children milke Therfore they containe a sufficient doctrine because the Church giueth her children no other 6. Yea the Apostle saith they are able to make the man of God perfect that is the Pastor himselfe the Pope and Councell and all Now the Iesuite will not say they make these perfect by sending them to the Church because themselues are the Church yea the head and mouth of it 7. Finally it were intollerable folly to say that man teacheth me all good learning that I might be absolute and perfect yea maketh me wise to knowledge which onely as I go sheweth me the schoole where I learne these things yet the speech were as proper as the Apostles in this place supposing the Iesuites exposition to be true 4 The fathers and certaine Papists also the truth constraining them expound the place otherwise and say as we do d Hom. 9. Chrysostome writing on this place saith If any thing be needfull for vs to learne or to be ignorant of there in the Scripture we may haue it and he addeth that in these words Paul telleth Timothy Thou hast the Scriptures to teach thee in steed of me if thou desire to know any thing there thou maist learne it Which he could not haue said if he had not thought Timothy might learne as much out of the Scripture as Paul could teach him e De ration stud theolog lib. 1. cap. 3. Villavincentius a Papist confesseth The Scriptures and they alone are able to teach vs to saluation as the Apostle in the third chapter of his second Epistle to Timothy affirmeth saying all Scripture is inspired of God c. In which words the Apostle comprehendeth all things that are needfull to the saluation of man f Sum part 3. tit 18. c. 3. §. 3. Antoninus the Archbishop of Florence saith God hath spoken but once and that in the holy Scripture so fully to all doubts and cases and to all good workes that he needeth speake no more g Comment in 2. Tim. c. 3 in v. 15.16 Espencaeus writeth That if any thing be needfull either to be knowne or done the Scriptures teach the truth reproue the false reclaime from euill perswade to good Neither yet do they make a man good in some sort but perfect yea they can teach a man to saluation and h Sufficienter doctum reddere make him learned sufficiently § 12. The second conclusion is that no mans naturall wit and learning neither any companie of men neuer so learned onely as they are learned men not infallibly assisted by the holy Spirit can either by interpreting Scripture or otherwise be this infallible rule of Faith and consequently thoâ—e that for matters of faith rely either vpon their owne interpretation of Scripture or vpon the interpretation of other learned not assisted infallibly by the holy Ghost cannot haue an infallible faith This I proue Because all this wit and learning is humane naturall and fallible and therefore cannot be a rule or foundation whereupon to build a diuine supernaturall and infallible faith The third conclusion that no priuate man who perswadeth him selfe to be especially instructed by the Spirit can be this infallible rule of faith at least so farre forth as he teacheth or beleeueth contrarie to the receiued doctrine of the catholike Church this I proue first because S. Paul Gal. 1. saith Si quis vobis euangelizauerit praeter id quod accepistis anathema sit Pronouncing generally that whosoeuer teacheth contrarie to the receiued doctrine of the catholike Church should be held anathematized or accursed Secondly I proue the same because the rule of faith must be infallible plainly knowne and vniuersall as before hath bene proued But this priuate spirit is not such For neither the partie himselfe and much lesse any other can be infallibly sure that he in particular is taught by the holy Ghost For neither is there anie promise in Scripture to assure that he in particular is thus taught by the holy Ghost neither is his particular perswasion be it neuer so seeming strong able to giue infallible assurance thereof since diuerse now adayes perswade theÌ„selues to be thus taught by the Spirit and yet one of them teaching contrary to another and therefore some in these their perswasions must needs be deceiued And therefore who without testimonie of true miracle or some other infallible proofe dare arrogantly affirme that he onely is not deceiued since others that perswade themselues in the same maner that he doth are in this their perswasion sometime deceiued Moreouer suppose one assure himselfe to be taught by Gods Spirit immediatly in all things what is the true faith as it is not the maner of Almightie God to teach men immediatly by himselfe but rather as the Scripture telleth vs Fides ex auditu Rom. 10. and it is to be required ex ore sacerdotis and must be learned of Pastors and Doctors whom God hath put in his Church vt non circumferamur omni vento doctrinae But suppose I say one in priuate thinke himselfe to be immediatly taught of God how should he
without testimonie of miracle giue assurance to others that he is thus taught especially in such sort to make them forsake the teaching of the catholike Church which by plaine proofes and testimonies of Scripture they do know to be taught of God Nay they ought not in anie sort to beleeue him but rather to esteeme him as one of those of whom it is said Ezech. 13. Vae Prophetis insipientibus qui sequuntur spiritum suum nihil vident dicunt ait Dominus cum ego non sum locutus Neither is it sufficient that these men alledge words of Scripture for that which they say because euery sect-maister alledgeth Scripture for his opinion yea the diuell himselfe for his purpose bringeth words of Scripture Math. 4. The Answer 1 These two conclusions might easily be granted without further examinatiō if the Iesuit had not a further reach in them thē the words pretend For what Protestant thinketh that any priuate mā or any company of men how learned soeuer or any mans naturall wit and learning is the rule of faith which honour we giue to the spirit of God in the Scriptures only But the Iesuit aimeth at those which in cōparison of the rest of the world being but priuate men particular Churches haue examined refused the Romane faith as Wicklieffe Hus Luther and the Churches of England Scotland and Germany haue done that so hauing in his former conclusion pluckt the Scriptures from you he might also in these two bereaue you of such faithfull Pastors as God hath stirred vp from time to time to instruct you and when he hath done in his last conclusion obtrude vpon you his Papall consistorie If he meant Priuate men wits learning and companies as they are opposed to diuine and spirituall he said well for no such priuate men wits learning or companies may be heard against the present doctrine and this is well proued in the Iesuits discourse but vsing it in that sence as it is opposed to common and vsuall a Priuatum accipio vt opponitur communi spiritui Mart. Peres de Tradit part 2 assert 4. pag. 48. which the Papists alway do his conclusions are vntrue viz. that nothing may be receiued which priuate men or particular companies teach against that which is surmized to be the Catholicke Church For in matters of religion it maketh no matter whether the teachers be many or few publicke or priuate persons as long as they teach the faith and expound the Scriptures truly For a true exposition is publicke though the companie that giue it be priuate and a false exposition is priuate though the Church that vrge it be neuer so publick yea though it came from a generall Councell And so this is to be holden concerning priuate men and companies that they may sometime be infallibly assured of the truth against a publicke multitude as the Romane Church for example and hauing the Scripture for their foundation may teach and beleeue against it in which case though their persons and wit and naturall learning be not the rule yet as long as they follow the Scripture which is the rule we are bound to heare them This being all that we hold and that which the Iesuite in these conclusions girdeth at now I come to examine his arguments against it 2 First he saith all mens wit and learning is humane natural and fallible therfore no mans wit or learning can be the rule which must sustaine our faith diuine supernaturall and infallible Wherto I answer granting the whole argument for we say not any mans learning is the rule or any companie of men the foundation of our faith but the contrary as I haue said onely we hold they may be so assisted by the holy Ghost that they may interprete the Scriptures truly and infallibly against a company as big as the Romane Church And this is a full answer to the second conclusion 3 Next in his third conclusion he saith No priuate man can be this rule at least when he teacheth contrary to the receiued doctrine of the Catholicke Church because Saint Paul saith If any preach any other Gospell then then which we haue preached vnto you let him be accursed This text is b Rhem. vpon Gal. 1.8 commonly vrged against Luther and Caluin for preaching otherwise then the Romish Church beleeueth whereby you may see what the Iesuite driueth at in these two conclusions But I answer though this text proue that no priuate man is the rule of faith and that no teaching may be receiued against the Scriptures yet there is nothing in it against such as resist a false Church though they be men neuer so priuate For Saint Paul speaketh of the doctrine which he had taught not which euery Church calling it selfe Catholicke may possible hold and of it he saith Let him be accursed that preacheth otherwise Now c Phil. 3.1 Iren. l. 3. ca. 1. Niceph. Callist l. 2. c. 34. all that the Apostle preached is written in the Scriptures and so he accurseth none but such as teach against them forbidding all men to preach against the Churches doctrine consenting with the word But when any thing deflecteth from that it may and must be excepted against euen by priuate men else this very text accurseth them for consenting to it Thus d Contra lit Petiliā Donat. l. 3. c. 6. de Vnitate Eccles cap. 11. Austin expoundeth the place If we or an Angell from heauen declare vnto you either concerning Christ or his Church or any other matter belonging to our faith or life any thing but that which you haue receiued in the writings of the Law and the Gospell let him be accursed See Austine preferring the Scripture aboue all things expoundeth the place against such as teach any thing concerning faith and manners let the Iesuit mark this but that which is contained in the Scripture and the Iesuite begging the question talketh idlely of his Romane Church 4 His second argument to proue his third conclusion is that the priuate spirit is not infallible and plainly knowne Whereto I answer that this is false meaning priuate as the Iesuite doth I haue distinguished it for a smal company holding against a multitude as e 1. Reg. 22. 23. Michaiah did against 400. Prophets may be directed by the spirit of God in the Scriptures which are infallible plainly knowne But neither thēselues nor any other can be sure they are thus taught I answer this is vntrue for the Scripture is a light and knowne by the sons of light and by it they may be assured Now they that be thus assured are infallibly sure they are taught by the holy Ghost for f 2. Tim. 3.16 All Scripture is inspired of God and containeth the teaching of the holy Ghost But there is no promise in the Scripture to assure him he is thus taught Yes for the Scripture promiseth that euery doctrine is of God that consenteth with it and
though he alledged the words thereof absurdly wrested The sheepe therefore casteth not away her fleece though the wolfe sometime put it on else the Iesuite must renounce the authoritie of his Church also because sectmasters sometime alledge it But euen as he will say they alledge it indeed but yet either not the true Church or the true Church not truly so I say sectmasters alledge the scripture indeed but either not the true Scripture or the Scripture not truly And let the Iesuite remember that h Defence of the censure against Chark pag. 166. a good friend of his excuseth the blasphemous comparison of those that liken the Scripture to i CeÌ„sur Colon. pag. 112. Pigh hierarch l. 3. c. 3 p. 103. and others a nose of waxe by this that heretickes wrest and detort it as a nose of waxe is bowed into many formes Digression 15. Against the two former conclusions shewing that priuate and particular companies may sometime be assured of the truth against a pretended Catholicke companie 8 Because the Iesuite pleadeth so for his Catholicke multitude let him consider the Scripture k 1. Thes 5.21 1. Ioh. 4.1 biddeth all men trie what they are taught l Act. 17.11 commending them that examined euen the Apostles teaching and m Math. 7.15 24.4 Esa 8.20 Ier. 23.16 Rom. 16.17 commaunding to beware of false Prophets and n Ios 1.18 Ioh. 5.39 to search the Scriptures o Heb. 5.14 that we might haue our wits exercised to discerne good and euill all which were to no purpose if when we had done we neither could by reading attaine to any certaintie or hauing attained might not hold it against a multitude but were still bound to referre the matter to them which are suspected and whose iudgement is the very thing to be examined Againe p 1. Reg. 22.15 one Michaiah defended the truth against 400. Prophets q Niceph. lib. 8. cap. 19. one Paphnutius directed the whole Councell of Nice Christ and his Apostles withstood the whole Iewish synagogue and r Iob 32.6 Elihu one yong man rebuked the ancients 9 Saint Chrysostome hath a discourse about this point which I thought fit to be propounded A Gentile Å¿ Homil. 33. in Act. saith he cometh and saith I would be a Christian but I know not which side to cleaue vnto many dissentions are among you and I cannot tell which opinion to hold euery one saith I speake the truth and the Scriptures on both sides are pretended so that I know not whom to beleeue to this Chrysostome replieth Truly saith he this maketh much for vs for well might you be troubled if we should say we rely vpoÌ„ reasoÌ„ but seeing we take the Scriptures which are so true and plaine it will be an easie matter for you to iudge and tell me hast thou any wit or iudgement for it is not the part of a man barely to receiue whatsoeuer he heareth but if thou mark the meaning thou maist throughly know that which is good When thou buyest a garment though thou haue no skill in weauing yet thou satst not I cannot buy it they deceiue me but thou doest all things that thou maist learn how to know it say not then I am a scholler and wilbâ— no iudge I can condemne no opinion for this is but a shift and a cauill and let vs not vse it for all these things are easie To the same effect saith t Comment in Nah. c. 2. in fine Hierome It is alway the diuels endeuour to bring the waking soule asleepe therefore at the comming of Christ and his word and the Churches doctrine and when Nineueh that sometime was so beautifull a whore shall haue her end the people which before was lulled asleepe vnder their teachers shal be lifted vp and hasten towards the mountaines of the Scriptures the mountaines Moses and the Prophets and the Apostles and the Euangelists which are the mountaines of the new Testament and when they come to these mountaines and shall be occupied in the reading thereof if they finde none to teach them then their endeuours shal be approued because they flew to the mountaines and the slothfulnesse of their teachers shall be detested Did Hierome in these words expound a Prophet or Prophecy himselfe concerning these later times wherin the whore of Babilon drew toward her end and the profound sleepe of the Romish teachers was such that men were faine to flie to the Scriptures wherby they directed both the slothfulnesse of their labor and the coruption of their doctrine And why not when in many cases the peoples eares are holyer then the Priests heart as the same Hierome saith in u Ad PaÌ„mach adâ—e erro Ioh. Hierosolym another place 10 Moreouer let the Iesuite consider that the learned of his owne side haue left written as much as we say in defence of priuate men that so it may appeare what truth there is in his conclusion when his owne Doctors confute it For thus writeth x Part. 1. de Elect elect potest cap. significasti In concernentibus fidem etiam dictum vnius priuati esset praeferendum dicto Papae si ille moue retur melioribus c. Panormitan One faithfull man though priuate is more to be beleeued then the Pope or a whole Councell if he haue better reason on his side and authoritie of the old and new Testament y De exam doctrin part 1. consid 5. And Gerson more fully The examination and triall of doctrines concerning faith belongeth not onely to the Pope and Councell but to euery one also that is sufficiently seene in the holy Scripture because euery one is a fit iudge of that he knoweth And again some lay man not authorised may yet be so excellently learned in the Scripture that his assertion shall be more to be credited then the Popes definitiue sentence For the Gospell is more to be credited theÌ„ the Pope Therefore if such a lay man though he be priuate teach a truth contained in the Gospell and the Pope either know it not or will not know it yet it is euident that his iudgement is to be preferred z And yet if the Pope neuer so little anger theÌ„ they write asmuch at this day Non saluat Christian quod pontifex constaÌ„ter affirmat praeceptum suuÌ„ esse iustum sed oportet illud examinare se iuxta regulaÌ„ superius datam dirigere tract de interdict composit à Theolog. Venet prop. 13. I know not what these men would haue writ if they had now liued in the Popes Seminaries but this you see they writ before Luther was borne or Seminaries were erected that the Scriptures be the rule to try al things by and the priuatest man that is may by them iudge yea conuince and refuse the Pope and his Councels Which is all that we say for priuate men that hauing the Scripture for their foundation they taught and beleeued against the
all things is infallible which if it were granted yet were it too short to proue that therefore this Church were the rule of faith For euery infallible thing whose teaching is most true is not yet in the ordinance of God set apart to instruct vs. As the Angels of heauen for example are not the rule of our faith though a Fr. Suarez in Tho. to 1. disp 42. sect 1. they haue all the graces and glorie that a creature can haue and consequently the grace of infallibilitie Let this be noted in the first place 2 But yet the doctrine and teaching of the Church is not in all points infallible and most true neither meaning this doctrine not of the Scriptures but of the Churches ministery in propounding and following the same for in her ministery and manners she may and doth erre as shall appeare in my answer to the Iesuites reasons throughout this section But first the question must be made plaine For to say as he doth here and euery where in this question that the teaching of the vniuersall Catholick Church is infallible not subiect to error is an improper speech not incideÌ„t to the question because that Church comprehendeth all the triumphant Church in heauen which neither can be vsed neither do we charge it with error but confesse it to be b Ephes 5.27 glorious not hauing spot or wrinkle or any such thing All the question is of that part of the Catholick Church which dwelleth here on earth professing the name of Christ and liuing in warfare against the world and Satan called the Church militant Which so distinguished we hold to be subiect to error both in manners and doctrine And the Iesuite of necessitie by the vniuersall Church must vnderstand onely this part thereof because this part onely is apt to teach vs and hath ministerie in her hands or else he disputeth confusedly not distinguishing the termes of the question 3 This being noted now I come to the discourse which may all be concluded in this syllogisme that we may the better iudge of it That 1. vnto which Christ hath promised his owne presence and the presence of his spirit for euer to the worlds end 2. which hath commission from God to teach all nations 3. which all men are commaunded to heare in all things 4. they that heare it are warranted as if they heard Christ himselfe 5. they that heare it not are threatned as if they despised Christ himselfe that is free from error and the doctrine thereof in all things is infallible But such is the Church that concerning it Christ hath 1. promised 2. giuen commission 3. commanded 4. warranted and 5. threatned as is aforesaid Therefore the Church is free from error and the doctrine thereof in all things is infallible This is the summe of all this section whereto I answer by denying both propositions and the reason is for that they consist of Scripture falsly expounded and applyed and this my answer I set downe more particularly in that which followeth wherein I will examine euery text as it is alledged and make it plain that neuer a one of them proueth the conclusion 4 The first place is Mat. 28.20 Lo I am with you alway to the worlds end But I answer 1. this was a personall promise made onely to the Apostles and so cannot be extended to all the Church if we will speake of the words properly according to their immediate sence 2. To whomsoeuer it belongeth the meaning is c Iansen concord Eâ—ang cap. 149. that howsoeuer his bodily presence ceassed yet his prouidence should neuer faile to preserue comfort them in all their troubles and helpe them in all their actions and by degrees so enlighten them also that they should not perish in their ignorance but be led forward to more perfection This must needes be granted to be all that is meant First because Christ is not absent from his people euery time they fall into an error but remaineth with them still for all that either forgiuing it or reforming it Secondly this promise notwithstanding yet afterward d Gal 2.11 vide August de Baptism cont Donat. l. 2. c. 1. de agon Christian c. 30. Thom. in ep ad Gal. c. 3. lect 3. Peter one to whom the promise was made erred against the truth of the Gospell and was therefore by Paul rebuked and resisted to his face which thing could not haue fallen out if this promise had exempted the Church from all error Thirdly if it priuiledge the whole Church from error because it is made to it then consequently it priuiledgeth the particular Churches Pastors and beleeuers therein because it is made to them likewise but experience sheweth these latter may erre and therefore the meaning must needs be as I haue said Fourthly e See §. it is a ruled case among the Papists that the Pope may erre which could not be if these words of Christ meant the Church of Rome and that infallible iudgment which the Iesuite talketh of As for his glosse vpon the words that Christ in them should promise his continuall presence not for a while then nor for a while now but for euer it is altogether either idle and inept For he can name no Protestant that euer thought Christ was at any time absent but we all constantly beleeue he alway was is and shall be with his Church to the end 5 The second and third places are much like the first Iohn 14.16 I will pray the Father saith Christ and he shall giue you another comforter that he may abide with you for euer And Iohn 16.13 When he is come which is the Spirit of truth he will leade you into all truth But I answer two things First these words are properly extended to the Apostles promising f Act. 2.4 that which was performed immediatly after Christs ascention and ought not to be stretched any further Which being so they conclude somewhat for them but little for the Church because euerie grace belongeth not to the Church in all ages that was giuen the Apostles Secondly applying them to the Church also the meaning is that the holy Ghost should neuer forsake it but perseuere in teaching it all truh which is simply necessary to saue it according as the Church is able to learne it which he doth by meanes of the Scripture though not at all times alike perfectly but so as he endueth it with all holines and yet many sins are found in it This interpretation must needs be allowed for three causes first the Apostle saith of himselfe and the Church g 1. Cor. 13.9 Now we know but in part and prophesie in part Which were not true if these words of Christ had secured the Church in all things and in euery truth for the part cometh short of the whole Secondly this promise belongeth as well to one Apostle as another yea h 1. Ioh 2.20 to all the faithfull as wel as to the
ministerie thereof may be a condition subordinate for the obtaining of that which is the rule As a Ioh. 4.29.39 the woman of Samaria was a good meanes to bring her countrimen to Christ that knew him not and yet their beleefe was not built on her b ver 42. but on that which she reuealed to them And c Ier. 6.16 God biddeth vs by his Prophet Stand by the wayes and behold and aske for the old way which is the good way though in the meane time the persons to be asked are our direction no further then while they point to the old way And the Prophet biddeth d Hag. 2.12 Aske the Priests concerning the law and saith e Mal. 2.7 The Priests lips should preserue knowledge and they should seeke the law at his mouth for he is the Angell of the Lord of hoasts yet these Priests many times spake vntruly being deceiued themselues and deceiuing others And so may it happen to the Pastors of the Church 2 All which notwithstanding the Church abideth still the same that Saint Paul calleth it the pillar and ground of truth in that the truth is no where else to be found Which that I may shew the beter it is to be noted that f Iul. Pol. Onomast lib. 8. pag. 454. Scol Aristoph Nub. Rosin antiq Rom. l. 8 c. 2. Alex. ab Alexand. genial dierum l. 6. c. 23. in old time the Gentiles vsed to write their lawes in tables and so hang them vp on pillars of stone that the people might reade them as Proclamations are nailed to posts in market townes and somtime g Phauorin Hesych Lexic verbo 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 they whited the pillar and so wrote the lawes vpon it h Lexic decem Rhet. Harpocration saith they reared vp straight pillars of stone and so wrote their lawes vpon them And it was also an ordinary thing that they had other pillars like the Pasquill in Rome i Eustach Il. λ. Suid. verbo 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 whereupon whosoeuer listed hung their Epigrams or libels that they would haue knowne Now the Apostle describing the Church likeneth it to one of these pillars whose vse was no more but to shew that which hung thereon it selfe not being the law but that whereupon the law was hung For so the true faith written in the tables of the Scripture whereunto the world will giue no testimonie is fastened to the Church as to a stately pillar and strong supporter that there it may be seene and holden out vnto vs. Hence the Iesuite can challenge no more but that the Church is vnto vs a witnesse and vpholder of the faith and alway preserueth it which we denie not but in the meane time he forgetteth that it is one thing to hold out the rule and another to be the rule it selfe and he that saith the Church is the supporter of truth doth not say withall that the Pastors can neuer erre or faile in deliuering any part thereof The Apostle saith the former but the Iesuite onely beside the text affirmeth the latter 3 This exposition must needs be granted for foure reasons first it is called the pillar of truth in no other sence then k Eph. 5.27 elsewhere it is called glorious without spot or blemish or blame but it is certaine that the puritie there mentioned is mingled with some imperfection therefore it is also certain this vpholding of the truth is not free froÌ„ all error Secondly Paul in this place sendeth not Timothy to learne of the Church which he should do if the Iesuits conceit were sound but l vers 14.15 wisheth him to teach the Church out of the Scriptures that so it might be the pillar of truth Thirdly that which the Apostle saith in these words is true of euery particular Church but of euery particular church it is not true that it caÌ„not erre for we see they may as did m Act. 20.30 Apoc. 2.4 this of Ephesus concerning which the Apostle saith here it is the pillar and ground of truth Fourthly if this place proue that the Church cannot erre in any thing but of it all men must learne the infallible truth then seeing o Bellar. de verbo Dei l. 3. c. 5. Greg. de ValeÌ„t coÌ„ment Theo. tom 3. disp 1. q. 1. assert 3. the Papists hold their Prelates and Pastors to be the Church I demand what is that which must teach them for the Church doth not seeing they are the Church themselues 4 Or if the Iesuite dote vpon his owne exposition then let him cal to mind how other Papists haue expounded before him p Staphyl Apol. part 1. Sâ—apl his translat pag 50. who say The Apostle calleth the Church the pillar and ground of truth signifying by the word ground the largenesse of Christendome by the word pillar the continuall smooth and not interrupted succession of the Apostles and their schollers vpon whoÌ„ all truth is builded Which exposition differing from this of the Iesuites may giue him occasion to looke better into the text and at least mistrust his collections therfrom till he haue conferred with his fellowes For vpon the reckoning it will fall out that vntill the Friers and Iesuites of late began to hammer the Scriptures there was neuer any that out of them would deliuer his conclusion but the contrary The Apostles writings are the pillars and supporters of our faith saith q Lib. 3. c. 1. Irenaeus The Gospell is the gound and stay of the Church saith r Lib. 3 c. 11. the same Irenaeus The truth is the pillar and ground of the Church saith Å¿ Hom. in hunc loc Chrysostome The diuine Scriptures must teach who hath the true Church These are the proofes these are the foundations these are the grounds of our cause saith t De vnit Eccl. cap. 16. Austin 5 The words of Austin alledged by the Iesuite are good but they had bene better if he had not left out the beginning for thus they lie u Contra. Crescon gram lib. 1. cap. 33. For somuch as the holy Scripture cannot deceiue vs let him who feareth lest the obscuritie of this question concerning the baptisme of the Donatists should deceiue him enquire that Churches iudgment of it which the holy Scripture without all doubtfulnes doth demoÌ„strate Wherin Aust saith not the church is the rule or the Church cannot erre but onely as the Iesuite himselfe noteth that the iudgement therof should be inquired His meaning is that in the question of rebaptizing because in Cresconius his suppositioÌ„ the Scripture said nothing of it such as were doubtful might ask the iudgmeÌ„t of the true Church there they should learn Cresconius to be in an error Wherein the Iesuit shal find vs to consent with Austin for doth he think we allow not the Church her ministery or that we silence her from bearing witnesse to the truth or that we turne away the people
say that sometime it could neither it selfe be knowne nor be a meanes by which the true faith might be made knowne then since as I proued it is a necessarie meanes and so necessarie that without it according to the ordinarie course there is not sufficient meanes to instruct all men infallibly in al points of faith then I say men that liued at that time wanted necessarie meanes whereby they might attaine to the knowledge of true faith and consequently whereby they might come to saluation Which if it were so how is it vniuersally true that Deus vult omnes homines saluos fieri ad agnitionem veritatis venire 1. Tim. 2. God would haue all men saued and to come to the knowledge of true faith and thereby by degrees to saluation For without these meanes prouided he knoweth it impossible for them to attaine to saluation and knowing it impossible he cannot be said to will it since no wise man willeth that which he knoweth impossible and much lesse almightie God whose wisedome is infinite whose will is alway ioyfully ioyned with some worke or effect by which that which he willeth at least is made possible to be done The Answer 1 Here the Iesuit hath laid downe two arguments to proue the Church to be alwayes visible the first is because our Sauiour ordained it to be the light of the world and nothing can be such a light which it selfe is inuisible Thus it must be concluded That which Christ ordained to be the light of the world is alway visible But Christ ordained the Church to be the light of the world Math. 5.14 Ergo the Church is alway visible In which argument neither of the parts are true For first it is not true that euery light is alway visible so that granting the Church to be the light of the world which it is yet is it not proued thereby to be alway visible for two causes First because a Gen. 1.16 Psal 136.8 the Sunne and Moone were ordained to be great lights for the gouerning of day and night and yet we see them darkened and suffer strange eclipses So the Church though it be ordained to enlighten the world by ministring the doctrine of the Scriptures sometime may faile out of mens sight as b 1. Reg. 19.10 in the dayes of Elias Therefore c Apo. 12.1.5.6 it is compared to a woman which one while is as visible as any thing can be clothed with the Sunne the Moone vnder her feete and vpon her head a crowne of twelue starres and yet at another time she is driuen into the wildernesse out of the sight of men yea taken vp as it were into heauen there to abide 1260. dayes And concerning the Pastors d Micah 3.6 the Prophet threatneth that Night shall be to the people for a vision and darknesse for a diuination the Sunne shall go downe vpon the Prophets and the day shall be darke ouer them Secondly though it be a light yet such as walk in darknes and loue it better then the light because their deeds are euill and know not the seruants of the light do not alwayes see it but want either will or eyes thereto as e 2. Reg. 6 16. the king of Arams souldiers saw not the mountaine full of horses and chariots of fire that were round about Elisha nor knew that they were in the middest of Samaria till their eyes were opened or possible with the mist of their owne errors or smoke of persecution they may obscure it according to that of the Reuelation f Apoc. 9.1 where it is shewed that a starre falling from heauen the bottomlesse pit was opened and there arose out of it a smoke wherewith the Sunne and the aire was darkened So Saint Austine g Ep. 80. ad Hesych prope fin epist 48. ad Vincent speaketh When the Sunne shall he darkened and the Moone shal not giue her light and the starres shall fall from heauen then the Church shall not appeare by reason vngodly persecutors shall rage out of measure 2 So then where the Church is called a light the meaning is not that it is alway visible or that the externall appearance thereof is plaine to euery eye and at all times for thus the Papists grant their owne Church is not visible but that as the Sunne so it hath in it selfe all light of truth and glorie whereby the children of God are enlightned and the darke wayes of the vngodly detected and except heresies or persecutions come betweene this inward light doth also shew it selfe forth to the world by outward profession and gouernment so as no temporall state is more glorious or conspicuous Which difference betweene the inward and outward light being rightly expounded and obserued the Iesuite may find how it may be the light of the world though sometime by eclipse it become inuisible for at all times and to all men and of it owne nature it is not so 3 Next the other proposition faileth likewise for though the light of the Church be graunted yet it is not true that Christ our Sauiour ordained it to be alwayes the light of the world according to these words Math. 5. Vos estis lux mundi You are the light of the world for those words were spoken by Christ to his disciples and his purpose therein was not to teach what the state of the Church should alway be but to prouoke them to constancie and holinesse forsomuch as they should be in euery mans eye and therefore if they chanced to do otherwise then well it could be concealed no more then the light of the Sunne Now this is nothing to the Churches visiblenesse For the Apostles being set ouer all the world to enlighten it with their teaching as it were Sunne might be in the view thereof and yet the Church afterward with the Pastors therein be suppressed from the sight of her enemies This therefore is a common error of the Papists that whatsoeuer things in the Scriptures are personally affirmed of some particular times and persons they will stretch generally to all 4 His second argument to proue the Church alway visible is because Christ ordained it to be a rule or meanes by which men may come to knowledge of the faith wherein he beggeth the question or as h Rat. 9. Campian the Iesuite telleth vs i Eccum quos gyros quas rotas fabricat Turneth the wheele For being to proue that the Church is the rule of faith k § 16. he said he would do it by shewing the teaching thereof to be infallibly easie and vniuersall and this he would do by prouing it to be alway visible and now he saith it is visible because it is the rule or meanes whereby to finde the truth which is the question and would not haue bin assumed but proued Neuerthelesse his reason shal be examined and considered of for thus it standeth That which Christ appointed to be the rule
whereby all men at all times may come to the true faith must be alway visible to all sorts of men But Christ appointed the Church to be the rule whereby all men at all times may come to the true faith Ergo the Church must be alway visible to all sorts of men This argument is faultie two wayes first in the assumption for the Church is not this rule as l Digr 3. § 14 per totum I haue shewed at large neither hath the Iesuite alreadie proued it but onely said it as here he beggeth it to proue that which before he brought to proue this 5 But yet it is a subordinate meanes for the bringing men to saluation in that God teacheth his elect by the ministerie thereof m Ad ipsam salutem ac aeternam vitam nemo peruenit nisi qui habet caput Christū habere autem caput Christū nemo poterit nisi qui in eius corpore fuerit quod est ecclesia Aug. de vnit eccl c. 16. neither can any man be made the child of God except first he be conceiued in the wombe of the Church But hence it followeth not that the Church is therefore visible or knowne to all sorts of men because visiblenesse and inuisiblenesse are but differences of the Catholicke Churches outward state here vpon earth and the elect may partake her ministery in either of these estates that is to say he may be effectually ioyned to the Catholicke Church though it do not visibly appeare in outward shew by the ditection of Gods word and spirit and by the teaching of a few faithful Christians that lie hid in the world as wheate doth in his chaffe and so consequently Gods elect neuer want necessary meanes of knowledge saluation because some part of the Church or other first or last though hidden from the world is manifested to them 6 As for the reprobate I grant that many times the Church is neither knowne to them nor yeeldeth them any meanes whereby the faith may be knowne And I adde further that this is Gods very ordinance whereby he vseth to punish their obstinacie For as sometime n Esa 6.9 Ioh. 12.40 he taketh away their heart and sometime o 2. Thess 2.11 giueth them ouer to strong delusions to beleeue lies so sometime he sends p Amos 8.12 a famine of the word of God that they shall wander from sea to sea and from the North to the East they shall runne to and fro to seeke the word of the Lord and shall not find it and sometime q Apoca. 2.5 compared with 1.20 taketh away the candlesticke which is the visible Church as I haue touched r § 3. nu 2. before All which notwithstanding it is true that God would haue all men saued and come to the knowledge of the true faith This I say is true not vniuersally in euery sence but as the Apostle meant it whose sence is declared by ſ Enchir. c. 103. cont Iulian. l. 4. c 8. de praedest sanct c. 8. de corrept grat c. 14 Austine thus No man is saued but whom he will saue not that there is no man whom he would not haue saued but that none is saued but whom he willeth and therefore is to be intreated that he would because what he willeth of necessitie must be done And by t De incarnat grat c. 31. Fulgentius thus By all these men whom God would haue come to saluation is meant not altogether all mankind but the vniuersitie of all that shal be saued who therefore are called All men because them all the goodnesse of God saueth out of the number of All and that out of euery nation condition age language and prouince The same exposition is also giuen by u Aug. vbi supra Haymo Anselm in 1. Tim. 2 Mag. 1. d. 46. others and commended by x Alliac c. 1. q. 14. art 1. ad 1. pag. 206. Durand 1. d. 46. qu. 1. ad 2. p. 134. Greg. de Valent. tom 1. p. 325. tom 2 p. 894 Biel. lect 68. lit f. pa. 189. Vocabul theol verbo voluntas Dei anteced Greg. Arimin 1. d. 40. art 2. ad 4. learned Papists But Thomas preferreth it before all others and y Lect. 1. in 2. c. 1. ep ad Timot. saith it agreeth best with the Apostles intent And Emmanuel Sa is of the same mind God saith z Notat in 1. Tim. 2 4 he would all men be saued he would All men that is All kind of men not euery man for if he would absolutely then he would do it Which being so the Iesuite may see there is no such necessitie that God should prouide the meanes of a visible Church to instruct all men vniuersally forasmuch as he neuer willed absolutely that all men vniuersally should be saued but as Saint Austine a Ep. 107. ad Vital post mediū speaketh It is euen by children manifest that many be not saued not because themselues but because God will not confuting the contrary as Pelagianisme And it is no absurditie to say of such that they wanted b Mat. 10.5 Act. 14.16 16.6 17.30 through Gods iudgement many times secret but alway iust c Rom. 1.16 1. Cor. 1.21 Rom. 10.14 Act. 2.47 necessarie meanes whereby they should attaine to faith and saluation God willing the meanes no otherwise then he doth the end that is by no absolute will formally abiding in himselfe but onely conditionally Whereas his will concerning the elect being his absolute purpose to giue them eternall life is alway ioyned with such works as make it not onely possible or conditionall but also certaine to be effected And if nothing else can teach the Iesuite thus much yet he might haue learned it of his owne words For if God will nothing which he knoweth impossible then doth he not will the saluation of such as he knoweth to be d Rom. 9.22 1. Pet. 2.8 Iude vers 4. the vessels of wrath prepared to destruction And if the Iesuite thinke yet to answer and vnfold the matter by applying e Magist 1. d. 46 47. ibi Scolast communiter omnes Damascen l. 2. orthod fid c. 29. the schoole distinction of will antecedent and consequent then let him open his eyes and consider that this Antecedent will taking it as f Voluntas Dei antecedens est qua dat alicui naturalia vel aliqua bona antecedentia quibus potest aliquid consequi Ockā Camerac 1. q. 14. art 1. and so the rest it is described g Quod vult Deus voluntate antecedente solùm non simpliciter vult Dur. 1.46.1.2 neither is any will simply properly and formally as the Apostle saith God willeth in the place alledged neither doth it necessarily include the certaine publishing of the Gospell or reuelation of the Church But h Interna vocatio Gentibus nunquā defuit nam iuxta opinionem Scoti
doth it is no good marke they say the contrary it is a marke indeed a chiefe marke a proper and very cleare note of the Church a note ingrauen and perpetually cleauing to it Let him therefore be well aduised how he crosse his fellowes lest his so doing impaire the credit of his Churches vnitie and make his reader suspect that he is labouring to confute a matter which his owne conscience telleth him is most true 3 For our Sauiour saith in the g Ioh. 10.27 Gospel My sheepe heare my voyce Which teacheth vs euen by h Bellarm. de not Eccl. c. 2. the confession of our aduersaries that wheresoeuer the voyce of Christ which is the true faith soundeth there consequently are the elect his sheepe that heare it And if his sheepe be knowne to be there by this then is the Church also knowne hereby for wheresoeuer the sheep of Christ liue there is the Church in as much as these two are neuer diuided The true faith and doctrine of the Scriptures then being notes to teach vs where the elect be are proued hereby to be a sufficient marke of the Church because wheresoeuer the elect liue there is the Church of God Again Christ i mat 18.20 saith Where two or three are gathered together in my name there am I in the midst of them This teacheth vs two things by k Bellarm. de notis Eccl. c. 2. the Papists owne confession First that the true faith is a signe where Christ is which is all one as if they had said it is a signe where Christs church is for Christ his church are neuer asunder but l Mat. 28.20 he abideth with it for euer Next that it is a note of the Church if such teach it as are gathered together by lawfull ordination and successiō which is as much as we desire for it is neuer taught by any other and it quite ouerthroweth the Iesuites conceit for he thinketh his Romane Church-men to haue lawful ordination and succession and yet denyeth the faith they preach to be a marke of the Church wherin he cannot reconcile himselfe with his fellowes The same is further confirmed by diuers other places of m Deut 4.6 Psal 147.19 Esa 2.2.3 Act. 2.42 Ioh. 8.31 Rom. 10.14 2. pet 1.19 Scripture whither I referre the reader 4 And surely plaine reason sheweth it For it must needs be granted to be an vndoubted note of the Church which maketh vs know it when we seeke it and distinguisheth it from the false Churches of the heretickes Now this the true faith which is according to the Scriptures doth in that euery church pretending it selfe to be the Church of Christ is examined thereby and that allowed to be the true Church indeed which agreeth therewith according to that of Saint Paul n Gal. 6.26 As many as walke according to this rule peace shall be vpon them and mercie and vpon the Israel of God And our Sauiour in the Gospell o Mat. 7 16. saith Ye shal know the false Prophets by their fruits p Iansen harm cap. 43. Rhem. annot in cū loc Stapl. princip doctr l. 10. c. 1. that is by their doctrine So that if the men which professe themselues to be the Church are first to be tried by the Scriptures it followeth necessarily that the doctrine contained in the Scriptures is the note of the Church In which regard the Apostle q Ephes 2.19 saith of the Church that it is the houshold of God built vpon the foundation of the Apostles and Prophets And Epiphanius speaking of an hereticke r 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 Tom. 1 l. 2. haer 4◠saith This man is found altogether differing from the holy Scriptures as it will appeare to all them that reade attentiuely if then he be dissenting from them he is altogether an alien from the holy Catholicke Church And me thinkes if we said no more to this point the very confession of our aduersaries might put it out of doubt who say expresly ſ Reynol Caluinoturc l. 4. c. 9 pag. 859. These two the true Church and the true faith are so knit and infolded together that the one inferreth and concludeth the other frō the true Church is concluded the true faith and from the true faith the true Church is inferred And t Bellar. de not eccl c. 2. when the question is concerning the Church then the Scripture is better knowne then the Church Now betweene vs and the Papists the question is concerning the Church and therefore the Scriptures are the best marke to know it by Moreouer the doctrine of the Scripture declareth what be the notes of the Church as the Iesuite himselfe speaketh and all Papists are constrained by the Scriptures to proue those marks which they assigne and who then seeth not that the doctrine it selfe must needs be the best note of al when it is first and best knowne This is his owne reason who in his discourse following hereby would proue the Church to be better knowne then the doctrine because it sheweth the doctrine and bringeth it to our view Againe u Canis catec magn pag. 131. Reynol Caluinoturc pa. 860. Staplet princip doctrin l. 4. prooem the learned among them maintaine sundry of their notes of the Church to be true notes because as they say the Church is defined by them and why then shall true doctrine and faith be debarred which are the efficient cause very difference of the Church wherein it differeth principally from all false assemblies and therfore to be put in the definition thereof Finally x 2. Pet. 1.19 Apoc. 2.5 the Scripture calleth it self and the faith thereof a light shining in the Church as in a candlestick or lanterne which proueth it sufficient to shew vs where the Church is as a light in a dark night directs the sayler to his hauen And whereas the Iesuits marks vnitie antiquitie and vniuersalitie agree to other assemblies as well as to the Church of God and by y Bellar. de not eccl c. 3. their owne confession are no proofes of euident truth this of the True faith can be found in none but the Church of Christ whereunto it is proper euery way euen to all the Church at all times and to it alone and so cannot deceiue such as follow it 5 In the last place I desire the Reader to marke the iudgement of two ancient fathers Chrysostome and Augustine and to compare the same with the Iesuites conclusion and then freely to say whether the Church of Rome haue all antiquitie on her side or not In this time z Op. imperf hom 49. saith Chrysostome since heresie hath taken hold of the Church there can be no triall of true Christianitie nor any other refuge for Christians desirous to know the true faith but the holy Scriptures formerly it might many wayes be shewed which was the Church of Christ and which Gentilisme but now they that will
whether it be true or no. But to examine the Churches faith he saith is absurd and thus he proueth it They which examine the particulars taught by the Church whether they be the truth or not with authority to accept or reiect make themselues examiners and iudges ouer the Church and preferre their owne liking and censure before the iudgement definition and censure of the Church But this later is absurd considering the Catholicke Church is a company of men wise learned and free from error Mat. 28.20 Iohn 14.16 16.13 Ergo the former is also For answer to this argument we do not hold that we haue authoritie to accept that which we like or which in our conceit seemeth right and to reiect whatsoeuer we dislike or which in our priuate iudgement seemeth not conformable neither do we admit any priuate conceit of any man as the Iesuite vntruly suggesteth but all authoritie thus expounded we disclaime and renounce And here I affirme against his odious suggestion that not we but himselfe and his Pope are guiltie of this presumption of whom they write a Sacr. Cerem lib. 1. tit 7. that all power is giuen him in heauen and earth b Innocent 3. de Concess praebendae c. proposuit And of the fulnesse of this power he may by right dispence beyond all right c Gloss ibid. §. supra ius Euen against the Apostles and their Canons and the old Testament and in vowes and othes d Sum. Angel voce Papa nu 1 And against all the commandements of the old Testament and the new For otherwise it might seeme that God had not bene a prouident father in his familie neither could it be said that the Pope is Gods generall Commissary assumed vnto him into the fulnesse of power Finally e De translatione Episc c. quanto in gl He is said to haue a heauenly iudgement that can make somthing of nothing and that to be the sence which is no sence because in such things as he will his will is insteed of a law Whence it cometh to passe that f Cusan ep 2. pag. 833. the Scripture is fitted to the time and the sence thereof altered as the time altereth g Id. ep 7. pag. 857. so that sometime it is expounded one way and sometime another h Alu. Pelag. de planct Eccles l. 1. art 6. ex Hostieni Neither may any Councell iudge the Pope for that if in any matter the whole world should iudge against him yet his opinion were to be receiued They that attribute all this and a great deale more to their Pope whom alone they make iudge of all in my minde may very ill vpbraid others with assuming authoritie to iudge c. 2 But this we say that it is lawfull and necessary for euery particular man i 1. Thess 5.21 to trie all things and hold that which is good and by the Scriptures to examine and iudge of the things which the Church teacheth him k Luc. 1.4 Col. 2.2 that he may haue the full knowledge and assurance of the things wherein he is taught The which triall because it is made by the Scriptures is no priuate iudgement but the publicke censure of Gods spirit that speaketh openly in the Scripture to all men And when a man in this manner reiecteth the teaching of a Church as great and good as the Romane Catholicke his conceit herein is not priuate as priuate is opposed to spirituall but onely as it is opposed against that which is common among others and so a priuate man may iudge For our Sauiour saith l Ioh. 7.17 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 If any man will do the will of God he shall know of the doctrine whether it be of God or whether I speake of my selfe m Act. 17.11 And the men of Beroea when they receiued the word of Paul and Silas searched the Scriptures daily whether those things were so And yet the teaching of the Apostles was more certaine and infallible then the doctrine of any Church since and their persons more holy and wise then any that haue liued after them 3 Therefore the true manner how the Churches teaching may be examined being thus expounded the proposition of the Iesuites argument is false wherein he saith They which examine whether the particular points which the Church teacheth be true make themselues iudges ouer the Church preferring their priuate conceits before the definitions of the Church c. For they examine and iudge not by their owne priuate humors but by the publicke word of God n Ioh. 12 48. which in the Scripture speaketh openly to all the world though the children of God onely know and beleeue it by reason o Ioh. 12 40. the vnbeleeuers haue their eyes and hearts blinded that they should not vnderstand And thus it is lawfull for all men to iudge the Churches teaching because else they cannot be certaine they liue in the true Church or haue true faith p Col. 2.2 which is ioyned with the full assurance of vnderstanding to know the mystery of God Chrysostome answering the obiection of such as pretended they could not tell what religion to be of there were so many opinions q In Act. hom 33. saith That seeing we take the Scriptures which are so true and plaine it will be an easie matter for you to iudge and tell me hast thou any wit or iudgement for it is not a mans part barely to receiue whatsoeuer he heareth Say not I am a scholler and may be no iudge I can condemne no opinion for this is but a shift c. Basil saith r Ethic. definit 72. pag. 432. 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 It behoueth the hearers that are learned in the Scriptures to trie those things which are said by their teachers and receiuing that which agreeth with the Scriptures to reiect the contrary And Gerson one of his owne side Å¿ De exam doctr part 1. conâ—ess 5. writeth The examination and triall of doctrines concerning faith belongeth not onely to the Councell and Pope but also to eueryone that is sufficiently learned in the Scriptures because euery man is a sufficient iudge of that he knoweth 4 And in all this hitherto there is no wrong offered to the Church but onely that put in practise which was neuer misliked till a Church arose whose siluer being drosse and milke poyson might not endure the triall And whereas he saith it is a great absurditie to preferre a priuate mans iudgement be he neuer so witty or strongly conceited of himselfe before the iudgement of Gods Church herein he saith excellent well but will he expound the light and euidence of the Scripture to be nothing else but wit and conceit and will he leaue no roome for the full assurance of vnderstanding in the heart of man or is it absurd for a priuate man to preferre the truth of Gods word before the teaching of all the world I would not
Iesuite now beginneth to auouch concerning the vnitie of his Romane Church is all vntrue as I will sufficiently shew in the three next Digressions and shall haue occasion further to manifest a Digress when I come to handle the note of Vniuersalitie This is the truth and all that can be said for it b Isid Pelus ep 408 lib. 3. which Pelusiota noteth in all heretickes that the name of peace is indeed euery where but the thing it selfe no where and as c Aug. epist 162 contra pertin Donatist it was among the Donatists They sacrifice in schisme and dissention and greet the world with the name of peace whom they driue from the peace of their saluation This their vnitie is of seuen sorts d Illyric de sect Whitak controu 2. de eccle q. 5. c. 8. as some learned men among vs haue sent them word and we thinke our iarres such as they be are better then it 2 The first is the vnitie of darknesse in that they are prouident to maintaine outward peace lest their kingdom should come to nought e Mat. 12.16 such an vnitie there is in hell and one Beare they say will lie with another f Petr. Martyr decad l. 3. c. 5. and the very Cannibals vse not to eate them of their owne countrey The second is a heathenish vnitie when men for their credite wiâ—l not seeme contentious as it is very certaine they see innumerable abuses in their Church and doctrine and yet may be content to agree in all lest the world should despise them The third is brutish vnitie when their people consent because they are beastly ignorant and know not their ownâ— abominations so g Staphyl apol part 1. the Colliar said he was of the same beleefe the Church is and yet he knew neither the Churches nor hâ—s owne beleefe The fourth is Iudas his vnitie who kept companie with the other Apostles because he gained by it as many cleaue to the Romane Church and agree thereiâ— because it enricheth them and now then as a sanctuary freeth them from the danger of their sensualitie The fift is tyrannicall vnitie when men by feare are constrained to agree the Popes Consistory and Spanish Inquisition preuaile more with their people then the conscience of religion as would soone appeare if they were taken away The sixt is Herods vnitie for as he and Pilate which were secretly foes yet agreed together to crucifie Christ so these men consent in one against the truth and conspire together more to suppresse vs then to establish any sinceritie among themselues The last is the vnitie of h Iudg. 15.4 Sampsons foxes which were tied together by the tailes but all their heads were loose and euery one looked a sundry way so these men sticke together by the tailes in their religion all embracing one conceit of Poperie but in the maintenance and exposition of the same looking and thinking as many wayes as there be heads among them onely the Pope and his gouernement they all professe because it is their vantage and in him all their tailes meete together This is the vnitie of the Iesuites Church and the true genealogie thereof which we are content to acknowledge vnto them Digression 22. Obiecting the behauiour of the Papists toward the diuine Scriptures thereby to proue their varying from that which in former times the Primitiue Church of Rome beleeued 3 But whereas he saith the Romane Church hath not swarued from any point which formerly it held this is vntrue because it is declined from the doctrine of the Scriptures which the old Romane Church till Antichrist brake into it held inuiolably and for proofe hereof I will not now stand to compare the present Romane faith with the Scriptures but onely touch certaine practises of the Papists about the Scriptures which are euident signes and cleare demonstrations of that I say And first their canonizing now after 1500. years of the vulgar Latine against the Hebrew and Greeke originals for i Sess 4. the Trent Councell chargeth all men to vse it as the authenticall text in all their readings disputations sermons and expositions and that they do not reiect it vnder any pretence whatsoeuer Yea k Galatin de Arcun l. 1. c. 8. Leo Castrens apologet lib. 2. and others the learned men among them accuse the Hebrew and Greeke of corruptions manifold and their generall opinion thereof may be discouered by the Bishop of â—oledoes conceit l F. Simen bibl Complut in prolog who putting forth the Bible in diuers languages and therein printing his Latine in the middest betweene the Hebrew and Greek saith he hath placed them as the two theeues on either side but the Romane or Latin Church he hath put in the middest betweene them as Iesus Christ And yet this their Latine so swarmeth with monstrous corruptions that m Lin la. de opt gen interp l. 3. ca. 4. Reg. bibl tom 6. in var. lect lat bibl edit vulg themselues complaine of it as well as we and n Molina in 1. Tho. pag. 399. Andrad defens Trid. lib. 4. Alph. Mendoz. controu theol q. 7 pag. 514. diuers of them iustifie with vs against their fellowes the Hebrew and Greek and some that mislike it yet confesse o Posseuin bibl select l. 2. c. 6. Sixt. Sen. bibl sanct l 8. pag. 318. b. the errors supposed to be therein are not of such weight as that they touch the perfection of the Scripture in things pertaining to faith and good manners Now it is vnlikely they would striue thus about an edition against all antiquitie and probabilitie but that they see some euidence in the originals which by their Latin they hope they can auoide 4 Next p See Digr 1.9 they complaine against the Scriptures that they containe not all things needfull to saluation but the best part of true religion is made knowne to vs by vnwritten tradition which if you take away many points of the faith will reele and totter which they might neuer say for shame if they were not declined from the Scripture and had not deuised this shift of tradition to flie vnto when the Scripture is pressed against them 5 Thirdly q See Digr 2. 3. they forbid the people to reade the Scripture and will not haue it translated into the mother tongue which is a signe they mistrust their faith and doubt lest the people by reading should find it departed from the Scripture 6 Fourthly r See Digr 16. they make the Pope iudge ouer the sence of the Scripture Å¿ Concil Trid. sess 4. forbidding all other sences then such as agree with the Church of Rome and that which is prodigious they blush not to say t Cusan ep 2.3.7 The Scripture is fitted to the time and variably vnderstood the sence thereof being one while this and againe another while that according as it pleaseth the Church to change her iudgement
it is agreed between vs u Bell. vbi sup c. 12. §. Thomas Caietanus that the whole power of the keyes is contained in binding and loosing x Alexand. 4. q. 79. p. 316. 317. Mag. 4. d. 18. Dura 4. d. 18 q. 1. Ouand breuilo qu. in 4. d. 18 pro 16. Sylu. verbo clauis nu 1. Rosell verbo clauis nu 1. and defined thereby so that to be the rocke or to haue the keyes supposeth or includeth no more then to haue authoritie to bind and loose which authoritie is expresly giuen in the 18. of Math. verse 18. to all the Apostles and the selfe same words touching binding and loosing are there vsed that Christ vsed before to Peter yea y Iansen concord c. 72. RheÌ„ vpon Mat. 18.18 the Papists themselues confesse that all the fathers of the Church thinke that as before to Peter so in these words to the other Apostles and their successours our Lord gaue the power of Binding and loosing Again in Ioh 20.21 our Sauiour after his resurrection breathed vpon his disciples and said to them all As my Father sent me so I send you receiue the holy Ghost whose sinnes ye remit they are remitted and whose sinnes ye retaine they are retained where the ceremony of breathing vpon them seemeth to giue them all a like portion and power of the spirit and his words As my Father sent me so I send you to imply that he sent all with equall authoritie no mans iurisdiction flowing from Peter to him but euery mans coming immediatly and alike from Christ that sent them But the last words whose sinnes ye remit or retaine they are remitted and retained signifie the same that he had said before of binding and loosing and so consequently giue them all the power included in the rocke or keyes for z Ema Sa. Iansen vpon Io. 20.21 Bella. de Ro. Pont. l. 1. c. 12. §. Dices si non in this place is giuen what Mat. 18 was promised Thus all the power of the rocke and keyes is included in binding loosing remitting and retaining and authoritie to do this is giuen to all the Apostles as much as to Peter and yet the Iesuite by meanes of the rocke and keyes thinketh Peter is made chiefe aboue them all Let him and his partakers vntie this knot say directly what they thinke at the argument Peter had no more power giuen him a Planus sensus illorum verborum tibi dabo claues quodcunque solueris c. iste est vt primò promittatur authoritas seu potestas de signata per claues deinde actiones siue officiuÌ„ explicetur per illa vocabula Soluere Ligare ita vt omnino sit idem Soluere aperire ligare claudere Bell. vbi supra §. verùm haec then that which is contained in the keyes mentioned Mat. 16. But all the Apostles had this power giuen them for binding and loosing remitting and retaining include the whole function of the keyes therefore Peter had no more then the rest of the Apostles And if they answer that Peters iurisdiction ouer them was giuen Iohn 20. when Christ bad him feed his sheepe let the zealousest Papist that is lay aside wrangling and say bona fide why is the text of Matthew 16. touching the keyes and rocke vsed then to proue his Primacy if it giue him nothing beyond his fellowes and why go they not directly to worke vrging the 20. of Iohn and letting the rocke and keyes alone as making nothing for them 13 This that I haue answered is also the iudgement of ancient Doctors in that with one consent they all expound the rocke whereupon Christ said he would build his Church b August de verb. Dom. Ser. 13. in Ioan. tract 120. Hilar de trin l. 2. 6. Ambr coÌ„ment in Eph 2. v. 20. Chrys hom 55. in Mat. Basil homil de poenit Emissen hom in natal Pet. Andotâ—ers either of Christ himselfe or of the faith and confession that Peter held whereupon it followeth that they could not thinke those words gaue Peter any more then the rest c De vnit Eccl. Cyprian saith Verily the rest of the Apostles were the same that Peter was indued with equall fellowship both of honour and authoritie but the beginning proceedeth from vnity that the Church might be shewed to be one d Aduers Iouin l. 1. Hierome saith All the Apostles receiued the keyes of the kingdome of heauen and the strength of the Church was stablished equally vpon them all e In Math. 16. Theophylact saith Although it was said to Peter onely I will giue the keyes to thee yet were they also granted all the Apostles When Where he said whose sins ye remit they are remitted f In Math. 16. Anselm saith It is to be noted that this power was not giuen alone to Peter but as Peter answered one for all so in Peter be gaue this power to all My purpose is not to heape much together out of the fathers but by a few places to shew the reader how and in what maner they vsed to speak concerning this matter There are diuers great Papists also who confesse the same whose names I haue set downe in g Digress 30. nu 41. another place 14 The next place of Luc. 22. I haue praied for thee that thy faith faile not therfore when thou art conuerted strengthen thy brethren I confes was spoken to Peter in regard of the sin whereinto more weake then all his brethren he fell shortly after yet notwithstanding it coÌ„taineth nothing which our Sauior meant not to the rest For as he prayed for him so he prayed for all Iohn 17.11.15.17.20 and the contents of his prayer was that their faith should not faile and the very office of Apostleship whereto he called them bound them to strengthen their brethren as h Gal. 2.11 Paul did Peter by reprouing him and made them i Gal. 2.9 pillars and k Eph. 2.20 Apoc. 21.14 foundations wherupon the world being built should recouer strength in which regard our Sauior telleth them they must be l Mat. 5.13.14 the salt and light of the earth m Mat. 28.19 and biddeth them go teach all nations which is as much as he saith to Peter in this place touching the strengthening of his brethren Besides n Plerique patres rectè intelliguÌ„t hanc Christi orationeÌ„ etiam pertinere ad totam Ecclesiam Iansen coÌ„cord c. 133. the Papists cannot deny but this prayer of Christ belongeth to all the Church which it could not if it had bene meant for the making of Peter Prince and head of his brethren whose prerogatiues I hope they vse not so liberally to impart to the whole Church and indeed the ancient writers vse this text indifferently to proue the perseuerance of the elect in faith which were no good kind of reasoning if Christ therein had meant none but Peter 15 The
third text Feed my sheepe Iohn 21. belongeth likewise to all the Apostles For though in that place those words be directed to Peter yet therein our Sauiour did but apply a general commandement to him and put him in mind of a dutie that was common to all For what were the rest of the Apostles Peters sheepe and not rather the people of the world to whoÌ„ he was to preach according to the ordinary opposition that is betweene Pastors and their flockes Or doth feeding suppose any more then preaching the Gospell to all nations which euery Apostle was bidden do And though it should yet Christ saith to all As my Father sent me so I send you and it is like the Father sent his Sonne to feed the sheepe without any subiection to another o Ier. 3.15 Act. 20.28 1. Pet. 5.1 And Pastors inferior to the Apostles are authorised to feed the flocke whereof the holy Ghost hath made them ouerseers They are all Pastors p De Vnit. Eccl. saith Cyprian but the flocke is one which with one consent is fed by all the Apostles Moreouer the fathers out of this text proue that euery Pastor in the Church ought to be diligent in feeding the flocke committed to him which is an argument that they thought these words were meant to more then Peter Saint Austin q Tract 121. in Ioh. saith They which feed the sheepe of Christ with this minde to haue them their owne and not Christs are conuinced thereby that they loue not Christ and against them this speech of Christ if thou louest me feed my sheep is to be vrged Chrysostome r De Sacerd. lib. 2. saith Our Sauiour at that time intended to teach both Peter and vs how deare his Church is to him that so by this meanes we also with all our heart might take vpon vs the cure and charge of the same Church And the practise of Saint Paul reprouing Peter at Antioch sheweth euidently that euery Apostle had equall authoritie to feede not onely the flock but one another else Paul might not haue rebuked him as he did And though our aduersaries sticke reasonable well to this text and are loath to giue the Apostles any share therein with Peter yet are they not all so resolute but that some of them confesse flatly as much as I answer Cusanus Å¿ Concord l. 2. c. 13. saith If Christ said to Peter Feed my sheepe yet it is manifest that feeding is by word and example So also according to Saint Austin in his exposition vpon that place the same commandement was giuen to all there where it is said Go into all the world and preach c. there is found nothing said to Peter that importeth any power Therefore we say truly that all the Apostles in power were equall with Peter the like t Defens pacis part 2. c. 28. saith Marsilius That Christ committing the office of feeding to Peter spake to him in the person of all the Apostles which maner of speaking he testifieth to haue vsed in that he saith what I say to one I say to all And albeit the rest will not grant thus much yet it followeth euidently and vnanswerably of that which they do grant For u Baro. an 34. n. 201. Rhem. Mat. 16.19 they yeeld that no more is giuen Peter here then was promised in Mat 16. where the keyes are mentioned but I haue shewed and no Papist can deny that all the Apostles were equall in the keyes and that those words concerned Peter no more then the other disciples So that it must needes be wilfull obstinacie to say still that these words feed my sheep were meant to none but Peter And let this suffice for the first issue betweene vs. 16 The next part of my answer is that to whom soeuer any of the texts alledged were directed yet none of them intendeth that which the Iesuite assumeth for he saith that to S. Peter and his successors Christ promised the keyes of the kingdome of heauen and that he would vpon him and his successors as vpon a sure rocke build his Church meaning thereby the common conceit of the Papists that Christ in these words gaue Saint Peter and the Pope the fulnesse of power and gouernement ouer the vniuersall Church wherein the Iesuite wilfully misreporteth the text For there is no mention there of Pope or successor but onely of Peter and the Apostles it was his fancie to Rome that put in the Pope And how he is deceiued herein you may perceiue by this that x Caiet tract de instit Pontific c. 13. § Ad huius rei euidentiam the Papists acknowledge the succession of the Pope had not his beginning from Christ and the Gospell but from the death of Peter at Rome which being true then whatsoeuer he said to Peter yet he gaue nothing to the Pope for if he had his institution into the Papacie had bin by the Gospell and the fact of Christ which the Papists dare not say Againe Christ said not to Peter that vpon him he would build his Church but thou art Peter and vpon this rocks I will build it meaning as y Serm 13. de verbis Domini Saint Augustine expoundeth vpon this rocke which thou hast confessed vpon this rocke which thou hast knowne saying thou art Christ the sonne of the liuing God will I build my Church I will build thee vpon me not me vpon thee For the rocke was Christ whereupon Peter himselfe was built sith no man can lay any other foundation then that which is layd alreadie which is Iesus Christ And z De trinit l. 4. pag. 106. Cyril saith I thinke that by the rocke Christ meant nothing else but the vnmoueable faith of his disciple wherein the Church is founded and stayed from falling And Hilarie a De trinit l. 2. The building of the Church is vpon this rocke of confession this faith is the foundation of the Church by reason of this faith hell gates preuaile not against her b Hom. in nat S. Petri. going vnder the name of Eusâ—bius Emisenuâ— but Baronius saith the author of those homilies is Eucherius Lugdunensis annal tom 6. ann 441. nu 5. Eucherius saith Let vs see what this is I will build my Church vpon this rocke vpon this rocke which euen now thou laydst to be the foundation of faith vpon this rocke whiâ—h euen now thou taughtest saying Thou art Christ the sonne of the liuing God vpon this rocke and vpon this faith will I build my Church whereunto the Apostle agreeing saith Other foundation can no man lay but that which is laid Iesus Christ as if he should say there is no other foundation but that rocke which Peter layd for a foundation when he said thou art Christ Yea many learned Papists also refuse this new exposition of the Iesuites and well saw the words could not beare it and therefore after the example of the fathers expound
are driuen to yeeld the keyes to all the Apostles as well as to Peter and yet they thinke he alone had the primacie which sheweth clearly that the keyes containe it not Fourthly they which expound the power of the keyes to shew what they containe mention therein no more but as I haue answered The Councell of Colen vnder Hermannus x Bell. de poen l. 1 c. 1. penned by Gropper y Defens of the Cens whom the Papists cal the rare man of our age proceedeth thus z Enchir. concil Colon. de sacr confess But what keyes Christ when he departed hence left the Apostles and their successors in the Church that is to be explicated And truly this is plain that he committed to them his owne keyes and no other euen the keyes of the kingdome of heauen as himselfe said to Peter Whatsoeuer thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heauen and whatsoeuer thou shalt loose on earth shal be loosed in heauen These keyes the Fathers deuided into the key of order and the key of iurisdiction And againe each key into the key of knowledge and of power The key of order is the power of priestly ministery which containeth power to preach the Gospell consecrate the bodie of Christ remit and retaine sinnes and to minister the sacraments The key of iurisdiction is power to restraine the faultie this is that power of excommunicating such as offend openly and absoluing them againe In which explanation of the power mentioned in the keyes we see nothing touched but onely the ministery of the word and Sacraments and the execution of discipline But Marsilius a Defens part 2 c. 6. speaketh more fully that the authoritie of the keyes according to Saint Austin and Hierom is that iudiciarie power that standeth in dispensing the word sacraments and discipline although the opinion and title of the fulnesse of power which the Bishop of Rome ascribeth to himselfe tooke his beginning from these words Whose sinnes ye remit they are remitted and whatsoeuer you shall bind vpon earth shall be bound in heauen 20 The second text alledged is Luk. 22.32 where Christ saith to Peter I haue praid for thee that thy faith faile not and thou being conuerted strengthen thy brethrē which the Iesuit expoundeth as if our Sauiour had specially prayed for S. Peter and the Pope that their faith should not faile at least so farre as to teach the Church a false faith to the intent they might alway be able to confirme their brethren if at any time they should faile in the doctrine of faith which all Catholicke men knowing do confesse the Popes definitiue sentence to be always an infallible truth and thereupon submit themselues thereunto and so liue in vnitie But this exposition is soone confuted for first here is no mention of the Pope but of Peter onely whereby it is plaine that no certaintie can be concluded out of the words for any but for the Apostles onely or if they reach to any besides Peter then according to the opinion of the most iudicious Papists the Church is it and not the Pope So saith b Qu. Vesper d. 3. art 3. prob 1. lit G. Cameracensis That which in Scripture is promised to the whole must not be attributed to any part but alway to hold the true faith and neuer to erre against it is promised by Christ to the whole company of beleeuers alone It is plaine therefore that Christ promised Peter his faith should not faile vnderstanding it not of his personall faith but of the generall faith of Gods Church committed to his regiment And Frier Walden c Doctr. fid l. ◠c. 19. saith Peter bare the type of the Church not of the particular Romane Church but of the vniuersall Church not gathered together in a generall Councell but dispersed through the world from Christ to our times Of the same mind are d Concord l. ◠c. 11. Cusanus and e Defen part 2. c. 28. Marsilius So that in the iudgement of foure of the learnedst among our aduersaries the purpose of Christ was not by this text to indow Peter or the Pope but the whole Catholick Church and so accordingly the right of gouernment and freedome from erring should remaine not in the Pope but in the vniuersall Church cleane cōtrary to that which the Iesuit here supposeth 21 Secondly the direct and immediate purpose of Christ in these words is to forewarne Peter of the sinne whereinto he fell afterward by denying him and the meaning is that though Satan desired thereby to destroy him yet he had prayed that his faith might not by the temptation be vtterly extinguished admonishing him that as by his fall he would weaken his brethren the members of the Church so by the example of his true conuersion he should strengthen them againe vnderstanding this faith for which he prayed not of Peters teaching or directing the Church in doctrine but of the habit of faith abiding in his heart whereby he beleeued in Christ and confessed his name and f Confirmandi vocabulo authoritatem in docendo significari saith Greg. de Valen. to 3. pag 197. e. by strengthening his brethren not that he should be supreame head ouer his fellow Apostles but that g Esto a his poenitentiae exemplar ne desperent Theophyl Infirmiores fiatres exemplo tuae poenitentiae comforta ne de venia desperēt Gloss by the exāple of his repentance experience of Gods mercy to him in his infirmitie he should encourage all people against temptation This exposition is proued to be true because first there is no word in the text importing either all infalliblenesse of faith or any authoritie ouer the other Apostles See h Comment in Luc. 22. saith Caietan how Christ biddeth Peter account the Apostles not his subiects but his brethren see how he putteth him in office not to rule ouer them but to confirme them in faith hope and charitie Secondly the words going immediatly before forbid all absolute power of one ouer another The Kings of the nations beare rule and exercise authoritie ouer them but it shall not be so among you Thirdly Bellarmine acknowledgeth i Ex quibus priuilegiis primsi fortasse non manauit ad posteros De Rom. Pont. l. 4. c. 3. § Alterum priuilegium Quoad prima non agit Petri successorē Boz de sign eccl tom 2. l. 18. c. vlt. pag. 594. that to persist alway in the faith without falling from it is a prerogatiue that possible is not deriued from Peter to the Pope which being so it followeth that the Iesuites exposition is false and no Papist can be certain that by vertue of this text the Pope can teach no error any more then he is assored he cannot erre himselfe but it is cleare he may erre himselfe and all Papists yeeld it therefore it is also vncertaine whether he be enabled to teach the Church so that in teaching he
cannot erre because the words of the text are no plainer for the one then for the other For as it saith strengthen thy brethren so it saith also thy faith shall not faile yet the Popes faith may faile therefore he may also faile in strengthening his brethren if this faith and strengthening be vnderstood as the Iesuite conceiteth 22 The last place is Ioh. 21.17 where Christ biddeth Peter Feed my sheepe Out of which words the Iesuite concludeth that Christ gaue him and the Pope most ample authoritie ouer the vniuersall Church to rule it as chiefe Pastor vnder him tying himselfe so to assist him that he should neuer teach any thing è cathedra contrary to the truth and binding all the world to obey his iudgement The whâ—ch conclusions how violently they are wrested from the text let any man iudge * Note and sure it is worth the Readers labour and wil recompence any paines he can take herein to make a stand and but view whether the words be able to support so mightie conclusions as are built vpon them For this is the onely foundation that the Papists haue for the supremacie And albeit in their disputations by word and writing they pretend many texts beside as the Iesuite in this discourse doth yet you shall find when they come to canuasing they alway retire to this as to their hold and finding no other able to maintaine them hither they runne for exposition of all the rest and here they insult like souldiers which beaten out of the field come blustering one vpon anothers necke for haste into their castle But what is there here to proue the primacie which is holden to be k Pontifici in persona bâ—ati Petri terreni simul coelestis imperij iura Deus ipse commisit Extrau Ioh. 22. tit 5. c. Si frattum the fulnesse of power ouer all the kingdomes of heauen and earth or as l Greg. Valent. tom 3. pag. 184. a Iesuite describeth it such a commaund as all faithfull men in both courts internall and externall are bound to obey in all things touching manners or faith or the worship of God 23 For first I haue shewed but a little before that whatsoeuer is commaunded in these words * 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 Basil pag. â—27 belongeth to all the Apostles and confirmed the same with the confession of some learned Papists wherupon it necessarily followeth that Peter hereby had not the supremacie in question giuen him Next supposing our Sauiour had a meaning to giue Peter such a matter yet what word is there that saith as the Iesuite doth he gaue it his successor likewise For Peter might haue that which his successor hath not as the gift of miracles for example Yea I can demonstrate against all exception that although it were graunted Peter had authoritie ouer all the Apostles yet the Pope had not because he is lesse then an Apostle and the case being put m Peter died an 69. S. Iohn an 101. Baron ann 69. nu 1. ann 101. nu 2 that Peter died 32. yeares afore Saint Iohn let the resolutest Papist aline say whether it were likely that Linus or Clemens the Bishops of Rome should be aboue S. Iohn to rule or direct him If he say they were men are in danger to fall into the chincough with laughing if he say they were not then the supremacie fancied died with Peter and Christ gaue his successor none of it when he said to Peter Feed my sheepe Thirdly the words themselues Feed my sheep import no more but that he should be diligent in ouerseeing the flock of Christ committed to the generall care of him and his fellow Apostles as is proued by this that the people to be taught are ordinarily called n Cant 1.7 Iâ—h 10 16. the fold o Ezech 34.2 Act 20 28. the flocke p Psal 77 20. Ioh. 10.11 the sheepe of Christ and q Ier. 3.15 preaching to them is called feeding and r Eph. 4.11 the preachers Pastors The which words if they be racked to signifie ruling as the Pope claimeth with fulnesse of power then others were made Popes as well as Peter For Å¿ Act. 10.18 1. Pet. 5.1 Ezech. 3 4. Ier. 3 15. all pastors are commaunded to feed the stocke whereof the holy Ghost hath made them ouerseers and they reproued that feed not Feeding therefore signifieth no more but to preach the Gospell and to giue good example as Cusanus t Concord l 2. c. 13. expoundeth it and before him u Defens part 2 c 28. Marsilius two learned Papists who vtterly disallow this exposition of the Iesuites and thinke this text proueth not the Supremacy 24 The last part of my answer is that although it were granted the texts alledged pertaine to Peter alone and containe the Primacy in question yet can the Pope reape no benefit thereby because we deny him to be Saint Peters successour the which point seeing the Iesuite hath onely assumed and not proued therefore neither will I touch it any further here but referre my selfe ouer to the 29. Digression where the reader shall plainely see vpon what silly grounds the Popes succession is beleeued the which notwithstanding is a point of such consequence that if it be not throughly proued all Popery will be void and without foundation at the first sight in that all arguments made for it of what sort soeuer are at the last resolued into the Popes authoritie and this authoritie is confessed to depend vpon his succeeding Peter as vpon the beginning and foundation thereof 25 Thus we see the vnitie of Papists is auouched vpon grounds meerely false the Pope neither succeeding Peter nor Peter being aboue the other Apostles in infalliblenesse of faith or power of gouernment All the Iesuites conclusions therefore that the Church hath alway submitted her selfe to the Popes definitiue sentence that the Pope caÌ„not erre that it is his office to direct all good Catholickes that the Church should erre yea be bound to erre if he might fall into error I say these and the like conclusions scattered all ouer his discourse are vanitie for the disproofe whereof the euent of things and experience of all ages is sufficient without any more ado which giue plentifull testimony that he is neither free from error not receiued as supreme iudge nor admitted as the head of vnity but contrariwise in all ages he hath bene detected of error yea resisted iudged condemned and deposed for heresie The discourse whereof I put ouer to the Digressions following that the reader may haue some light concerning this matter Digression 27. Shewing that the Church Primitiue acknowledged not the Popes Primacy 26 This I will demonstrate onely by foure experiences of those times First that whereas there were foure or fiue Patriarks among whoÌ„ for the better gouernment all the Churches of the world were deuided the other three were made equall by the Church-gouernment and practise of
him Secondly Christ saith Simon louest thou me more then these Why doth he examine him of his loue more then the rest but that he intended him more authoritie I answer to make him see his fault who hauing lately vndertooke more then all euen to die with him though all should forsake him yet when it came to triall performed lesse then any denying him thrise which none else did And possible also to let him know his sinne was pardoned x Luc. 7.47 because more is forgiuen to him that loueth more Thirdly he not onely examineth him of his loue but also thereby draweth out of him a feruent confession of it I answer this he did also in regard of his former sinne y Isid Pelusiot l. 1. Ep. 103. by a threefold confession to heale his threefold deniall and to assure his fellow disciples of his repentance and to shew by his example how deare the loue of Christ should be to them that meddle with feeding Christs flocke Fourthly he biddeth him Feed and feeding is Ruling with fulnesse of power I answer he biddeth him feed his sheepe and lambes which are the people and not the Apostles properly which proueth that feeding hath no such meaning Besides feeding signifieth ruling not euery way but in such maner as appertaineth to the persons that do feed And therefore in kings it is to rule with fulnesse of power but in Pastors with the word and discipline onely as appeareth by this that all Bishops and teachers are called z Eph 4.11 Pastors and bidden a Ier. 3.15 Ezec 34 Act. 20.28 1. Pet. 5.1 feede the flocke of Christ and yet no man thinketh they are made Popes thereby Lastly Peter is bidden Feed the sheepe the Apostles are a part of Christs sheep therefore he must feed them I answer this is granted but then feeding signifieth no more but edifying by word and example and so as Peter must feed the Apostles the Apostles must feed him againe by the same commandement of Christ b Marc. 16. that bade them preach the Gospell to euery creature as c Gal. 2. Paul fed him at Antioch by reproofe And whereas some vrge that the sheepe signifie the vniuersall Church because Christ saith not these are those sheepe in particular but my sheeepe in generall and so Peter is set ouer the vniuersall Church this is but a speculation for if the Church be strained into so wide a signification he could not feed it because he could feed no more then that part which was in his time or followed after him wherein the other Apostles fed in community with him and feeding was not Poping Thus we see that vnlesse the Papists may be allowed to racke the words of Scripture beyond all compasse of ordinary vnderstanding and bring to them the sence which they should fetch from them there is nothing in all the Bible sufficient to vphold any part of that wherein they are so confident § 37. So that this difference may be assigned betweene any sort of heretickes and the Romane Church that they are a companie not vnited among themselues by anie linke which is able to containe and continue them in the vnitie of faith whereas the Romane Church is as S. Cyprian speaketh Plebs sacerdoti adunata grex pastori suo adhaerens A people conioyned to their priest and a flocke cleauing to their chiefe Pastor Whom whilest it heareth as it is bound to do it is vnpossible but it should retaine vnitie of faith Like contrarie according to the saying of the same S. Cyprian lib. 1. epist 5. ad Cornel. contra Haeret. Non aliunde haereses obortae sunt aut nata schismata quà m inde quòd Sacerdoti non obtemperatur nec vnus in Ecclesia ad tempus sacerdos vnus iudex vice Christi cogitatur Nor from any other roote haue heresies and schismes sprong vp but from this that men do not obey the priest of God neither do they consider how that in the Church there is one Priest and one iudge for the time in stead of Christ The Answer 1 How well the Romane Church is linked together I haue said in the former section and therefore if the Iesuit will assigne a difference betweene it and heretickes which will be the same that is betweene fish and herrings he must do it by somthing else then by their vnitie wherunto Saint Cyprian giueth no testimony in the words alledged but that it pleased the Iesuite thereby to impose vpon his ignorant reader For first he speaketh not in any of both places concerning the Church of Rome but of euery part of the Church whersoeuer saith It is a company adhering to their Pastour c. Next by this one Pastor and iudge whereto the Church adhereth he meaneth not the Bishop of Rome ouer all the world for himselfe dissented from him in the cause of appeales and rebaptization but euery Bishop in his owne circuit Thirdly supposing he had conceited the Pope and by these words immediatly meant him yet what is that to the Pope now who is degenerate into another creature then at that time he was whereby it cometh to passe that many good things might be said of him then that cannot now and of his Church then which since that time are perished 2 But the truth is that saying the Church is a people cleauing to their Priest he meaneth it not of al Gods Church cleauing to the Pope but of euery particular Church obeying their Pastour according to Saint Pauls admonition a Heb. 13.17 Obey and submit your selues to such as haue the ouersight of you And the want hereof he saith is the roote of schisme not the dissenting from the Pope And this is proued to be his meaning because in b Lib. 4. Ep. 9. ad Florent another Epistle he hath the same words applying them to himselfe and complaining thereby that some had vnderhand refused him and communicated with others For the Nouatians at Carthage in a schisme had made them a Bishop of their owne and written to the Church of Rome falsly that he was lawfully elected the which being against the custome and peace of the Church moued him to vrge as you see the vnitie of one Bishop and to defend the Church-gouernment of that time c Hiero. comment in Tit c. 1. Chrysost hom 1 ad Philipp which was to haue but one Bishop in one citie Hence proceed his words touching euery Bishop in his owne place as the Iesuite hath alledged them Whereby you see how wel he proueth the vnitie of his Church and authoritie of his Pope euen as well as if a man should make that proper to the Bishop of Rome and his Church which appertaineth to euery Bishop and euery Church and expound that of the supremacie which importeth no more but ordinary gouernment vsed by Pastors in their owne charge This kinde of disputing is called inclosing of commons § 38. Secondly the Protestants Church is
not holy because not onely most of their men be euidently more wicked then in old time before their coming as those can tell that haue seene both and is confessed by Luther himselfe who in Postill super Euangel Dom. primae Aduentus saith thus Sunt nunc homines magis vindictae cupidi magis auari magis ab omni misericordia remoti magis immodesti indisciplinati multoque deteriores quà m fuerunt in Papatu Men are now more reuengefull more couetous more vnmercifull more immodest and vnruly and much worse then when they were Papists The like testimonie is giuen by Smidelinus another of their Doctors Conc. 4. super cap. 21. Lucae which for breuitie I omit The Answer 1 For answer to this the Protestants haue two things to say First that it is false their men be more wicked then the Papists in old time were the which is proued by comparing them together and let that comparison giue the triall in the next Digression And whereas the Iesuite saith They can tell that haue seene both I answer this is true and therefore let vs referre our selues to their reports which by and by shal be set downe And in the meane time it is probable the Papists in old time were such as they be now which if they were I am contented our liues be layed together and compared For the present experience that we haue this day in England touching Papists and their conuersations will acquit vs though their outrage and confusion be such and haue wrought vs that sorow that we can take small pleasure in recounting it Their treasons against the State more then montâ—â—us practising the very desolation of the kingdome by strange conspiracies vnnaturall inuasions barbarous murders vnutterable mischiefes we make account were wickednesse enough to depriue them of the name and reputation of holinesse but this is not all they that liue in these parts among people popishly addicted liue in the middest of Sodome And let it be obserued if all disorders be not rifest in those parts among vs where the people is most Pope-holy other parishes where the Gospell hath bene taught being reduced to ciuilitie and the rest that swarme with Priests and Recusants remaining sauage and barbarous that no Christian man may endure their manners And for mine owne part hauing spent much of my time among them this I haue found that in all excesse of sinne Papists haue bene the ringleaders in riotous companies in drunken meetings in seditious assemblies and practises in profaning the Sabboth in quarels and braules in stage-playes greenes ales and all heathenish customes the common people of that sort generally buried in sinne swearing more then can be expressed vncleannesse drunkennesse perfidiousnesse vile and odious their families vntaught and dissolute their behauiour fierce and full of all contumely iniurie inhumanitie full of slanderous reports wilde lookes and all vnchristian vsage towards any not of their owne religion that I dare be bold to say we may all cast our caps at them for atheisme and all that naught is the which I would not haue touched because some wil mislike it but that the Iesuits words They can tell that haue seene both vrge me to it and hauing seen it with mine owne eyes and smarted a long time vnder it I thought it would be to the glory of God and confusion of Papistrie to let the truth be knowne and to admonish the Priests lurking in the countrey if they will needs make the world Romane Catholicke yet that they teach it more ciuilitie withall 2 His next reason to proue our Church vnholy is the confession of Luther and Smideline And do not the Prophets and Apostles complaine as much against the Church in their times which yet was the true Church of God What age or people or Church was euer yet so holy but the preachers thereof found matter of reproofe in it I but Luther saith Men are now much worse then when they were Papists he saith so indeed but he addeth withall that the cause hereof is for that men receiue not the doctrine of Christ therefore God in his anger giueth them vp to their owne sinnes wherein he chargeth not the true beleeuers of our faith but onely such hypocrites as made a shew without sinceritie The very like complaint is in Chrysostome of the Church in his time But now saith a Op. impers in Math. hom 49. he Christians are become either such as heretickes and Pagans be or worse yea and their conuersation of life though it be in schisme is with more continencie from sinne then among the Christians Here Chrysostome saith the Christians are worse then Pagans as Luther saith they are worse then Papists and yet the Iesuite dareth not conclude that therefore the Pagans and not the Christians were the true Church For hypocrites are alway mingled with the Saints as chaffe is with the wheate and by their sinne bring a shew of euill vpon the whole Church and is imputed vnto it But Saint Augustine answereth this obiection better then I can which if our aduersaries would marke this complaint of our vnholinesse were soone at an end And now b Epist 161. saith he the faults of euill men are cast in our teeth not ours neither but other mens and they also in part vnknowne the which if we did see to be true and present before our eyes and sparing the cockle for the wheate sake did tolerate in regard of vnitie he would thinke vs not onely worthy of no reproofe but of great praise And Ierome is of minde the sinnes of the Church are no vantage to heretickes thus he saith c Ep. 78. Are you therefore no heretickes if some vpon your report haue thought vs sinners The same thing we answer the Papists 3 Secondly we say that if all were true which is obiected and we as bad as the Iesuite conceiteth yet were not this sufficient to proue vs the false Church For what d De praescrip saith Tertullian Do men vse to try the faith by the persons or the persons by the faith And Saint Augustine hath a whole e Epist 137. Epistle written of purpose to confute them that laboured to make the Church odious by obiecting the faults of such as liued therein In that Epâ—stle he hath these words Obiect nothing against heretickes but onely that they are not Catholicke lest ye be like vnto them who hauing nothing wherewithall to defend their cause fall to gathering vp the faults of men that when they cannot charge the truth it selfe they may yet bring into hatred those that preach it And what Catholicke man f Apol. contra Ruâ—fin l. 3. saith Ierome in the disputation of sects did euer obiect the faults of life against his aduersary with whom he disputed Yea the Papists themselues being pinched with this kinde of reasoning and tasting the inconuenience thereof by reason their owne liues are worse then any begin to disclaime it that you may see
are as ridiculous and sottish in answering the matter For what say they to all this when it is obiected against them Bellarmin h Tom. 1. praefat in gymnas Rom. answereth If a Catholicke man fall into sinne if he commit theft adulterie murther yet notwithstanding the foundation of his building abideth still he hath many and great furtherances to his saluation he walketh not in the darke he knoweth his Physitian he may through the faith that is in him call vpon God c. Happy Church where no mans sins may preiudicate him this I beleeue is it that maketh the world runne so fast to it for sanctuary But Staphylus more groslly after his maner As for the life of the Clergy i Apol. part 1. in fine saith he God is their iudge For as of maidenhead so of Priesthood man cannot iudge And the Canon law worst of all k 11. q. 3. Absiâ— in glo If a Priest embrace a woman it shall be construed that he doth it to blesse her And a Priest embracing a woman is presumed to do well Now if this be so there is no more to be said but that in silence and astonishmeÌ„t we adore the prerogatiues of this Roman Church and admire her liberties when they that will liue therein may without any danger steale the horse but professing the Protestants religion they must be hanged for looking ouer the hedge § 39. But chiefly their Church is not holy because there was neuer yet any Saint or holy man of it approued to be such by miracle or any other euident token as by reuelation from almightie God The Answer 1 This is false that the Iesuite saith there was neuer any Saint or holy man of our Church approued so to be by miracle reuelation or any other euident token For first the Prophets and Apostles and holy men of the Primitiue Church were all of our religion in euery point and beleeued not one article of the present Romane faith as we shew in euery question and I haue purposely declared in other places Now the Iesuite will not deny but these were Saints and by miracles approued so to be Next we haue true beleeuers iustified and sanctified by the blood of Christ who by vertue of their calling are Saints or holy men as a Rom. 1.7 1. Cor. 1.2 14.33 the Scripture calleth them though their name stand not written in red letters in the Calendar And we proue them to be such first by the miracles and reuelations wherewith their faith was confirmed when the Apostles began to teach it For the men and the miracles are theirs whose the doctrine is Secondly by the fruits of sanctification and the doctrine it selfe which they beleeue the former yeelding as perfect obedience to God in all things as this sinfull life will admit the later b Tametsi dicunt remissionem non pendere à conditione operuÌ„ neque poenitentiam aut fidem aut vllum actum nostrum esse causam aut meritum iustificationis tamen non negant requiti fidem poenitentiam fidem viuam poenitentiaÌ„ setiam sine his neminem iustificati Bell. de iustif l. 3. c. 6. euen by the confession of our aduersaries binding men to a liuing faith and true repentance the which doctrine cannot be without effect and that effect can be no other then the making such holy as entertaine it Thirdly we haue c Col. 2.2 5. Rom 8.16 the full assurance of vnderstanding and stedfast faith in Christ concerning our redemption obtained partly by the reuelation of the promises in the Gospell and partly by the Spirit of God bearing witnesse with our spirit that we are the children of God and sanctified by the holy Ghost And this is a sufficient token of our holinesse and herby we know our selues to be the Saints of God the which if the Iesuite will deny then let him proue either that we teach not true iustification and sanctification or if we teach it and haue it yet it is no argument of true holines or if it be yet that it is not euident enough without miracles to demonstrate the Church or if miracles be so necessary then let him shew we haue no part in those which the Apostles did others after theÌ„ The which he cannot do but by examining the doctrine that all men may see how idly and circularly they dispute against the Protestants that do it by making holinesse or miracles the notes of the Church 2 But the Iesuites minde runneth vpon his Calendar and golden Legend wherein he thinketh to finde Saints and miracles to serue his turn But he is deceiued For let theÌ„ be examined and vpon triall it will fall out that one part were no Papists another part were not at all in rerum natura neither they nor their miracles but are meere deuices fictioÌ„s a third part consisteth of vncertainties that no man for his life can be sure it is true The last and the least part are canonized indeed and were Papists but that was of late and by the Popes doing whereupon no man that wise is will ground his faith 3 And touching this canonization because the Papists alway meane it when they talke of their Saints I obiect two things sufficient to discredit it First that it was the Popes owne inuention d Bell. de Sanct. beatit l. 1. c. 8. §. Dices 800. yeares after Christ at the least set abroach continued in policy for the confirmation of certaine idolatrous superstitions which he laboured thereby to aduance and now are made e Bell. vbi supra c. 7. the seuen points wherein the canonization consisteth setting them in a Calendar with red letters praying to them in the Church seruice erecting Churches and altars to them ministring the Eucharist and saying Canonicall houres in their honor dedicating holidaies setting vp images and worshipping their relickes Secondly f Sum. Rosell verbo Canonizâ—tio Can. loc l. 5. c. 5. q. 5. concl 3. Platin. in Bonif. 8. themselues cannot deny but it is subiect to error that is to say the Saint canonized may be no Saint and the miracles whereupon his canonization is grounded may be false as g Tract de concept de indulgent refert Catharin adu nou dogm Caiet p. 127. Caietan and others confesse disputing about the miracles pretended for the virgin Maries conception without originall sinne whereupon it followeth necessarily as h Si vnus sanctus vocatur in dubium etiam caeteri vocari possunt Quare veraces essent haeretici qui dogmatizant esse periculosum inuocare sanctos Catha vbi supra some Papists also complaine that all the Popes Saints may be doubted of and no man can inuocate or worship them without manifest perill of idolatry So that we see it is a weak kind of reasoning to proue their Church by such Saints And I am firmly perswaded themselues mistrust it in that many times they shake off as trifles
such reuelations as the Iesuit boasteth of For when the contention was among them about the conception of the virgin Marie and some to proue it was without originall sin alledged reuelations made to Saint Bernard Brigit and others the contrarie side replied as the Protestants do that these were fantasticke visions not sent of God but mens dreames and Saint Katherin of Sienna had a reuelation to the contrary i Anton. part 1. tit 8. c. 2. Thus answered Iohn of Naples and Antoninus himselfe a Saint teaching the Protestants how to answer henceforward when these miracles and reuelations are so importunately obiected 4 And sure it is as ridiculous an absurditie as they could lightly haue committed thus to multiplie their Saints turning heauen into a stage as k Scenam de Coelo fecistis Iul. Firmic de errore profan relig a father speaketh of the Gentiles and filling it with toyes and Legend fables and then to be so vncertaine about their owne deuice when they haue done yea to smile at the iest and laugh at their owne theater as Caietan Antoninus Iohn of Naples and others do But if the Iesuit and some of his minde carrie a grauer countenance in this matter and speake more respectiuely of their Saints they are wise herein seeing the Pope hath dubbed them and hath learned possible his lesson in l Verb. 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 Suidas that saith It is no wisedome to be out of conceit with any god as Hippolytus was with Venus The best way is to say well of all specially at Athens now at Rome where vnknowne gods also haue altars dedicated to them Let our aduersaries bethinke themselues at last of this m No man is able to put any difference betweene the miracles of Christ with his Apostles and of these holy men Saint Thomas Aquinas Bernard Bâ—nauenture Beckes Francis Dominicke and infinite others Bristo moâ— 6. their dotage and making choise of such as are without controuersie true Saints in deed let them without idolatry preserue their memories and imitate their godlinesse and returne to the vnitie of their doctrine to reforme their innumerable heresies thereby Which if they will do they may with comfort reioyce in the fellowship of the Saints whereas now medling with them as they do they expose themselues to the scorne of men and rebuke of children § 40. Neither is their doctrine such as may of it selfe leade one vnto holinesse but rather to all libertie and loosenesse of life as for example to breake Fasting dayes to cast away Confession of sinnes to a priest which is knowne to be so soueraigne a remedie against sinne to neglect good works because they hold them not Necessarie to saluation nor Meritorious in Gods sight not to labour or endeuour to keepe Gods commandements because they hold them impossible and as it is said Impossibilium non est electio no man chooseth or laboureth to atchieue that which he esteemeth altogether impossible Not to be carefull to auoyd anie sinne because they hold that whatsoeuer we do is sinne and that all sinnes are Mortall in themselues and that there needeth no Penance or Satisfaction to be done of our part for anie sinne contrarie to that of S. Iohn Baptist Facite fructus dignos poenitentiae do ye workes worthie of penance and that of our Sauiour Poenitentiam agite Matth. 4. do penance but that there is an easie remedie for all to wit that by Onely faith they be not imputed to vs Finally to be carelesse or desperate in all actions or consultations because they hold all things so to proceed of God his eternall predestination that man at least in matter of religion hath no Free-will and that he cannot do otherwise then he doth and that God himselfe is Author of sinne Lo whither this doctrine of it selfe leadeth consider whether this can be a good tree which of it owne nature bringeth forth so bad fruite and see whether this can be a Holy Church which teacheth such points of vnholy doctrine as of themselues draw men or at least open the gap to such disorderly and leud and wicked life The Answer 1 There is no part of our faith so holy but euill minds may peruert it and take occasion of liberty therby as they did that said a Rom. 6.1 Let vs sinne that grace may abound b 1. Cor. 15.32 and would do nothing but eate and drinke because to morrow they must die from the which peruersnesse of the wicked we confesse we cannot free our doctrine neither could the Apostles before vs but setting this aside the matter it selfe we teach is so farre from giuing liberty that we desire the holinesse of our Church be tried thereby rather then by any thing else And I maruell the Iesuite shamed not to say the contrary when the learnedst of his side giue this testimony with it that c Staplet de iustif l. 9. c. 7. the Protestants euerie one of them hold iustifying faith is liuely working by charitie and other good workes yea d Bell. de iustif l. 3. c. 6. no man can be iustified without such a faith and serious repentance for hence it followeth voluntarily that the whole course of our doctrine is against sinne because true faith working by loue serious repentance of their own nature expell libertie as one contrary doth another But this is the maner of our lying aduersaries first to misreport our teaching to the people next to extort violently from it what their malice can deuise to our discredit belying herein their owne knowledge and then to cry amaine one to another Lo whither this doctrine leadeth thus hoping with the dash of a goose quill to outface the truth of Christs Gospell But let the matter be examined and the points themselues here reckoned vp looked into and the reader shall finde that when they are conceiued as we hold them they endure neither lewdnesse nor libertie and many learned and right skilfull Papists hold them with vs that the Iesuite might blush at his ignorance Digression 32. Touching fasting and how we differ from the Papists therein and whether the doctrine of our Church be against it as the Papists charge vs. 2 The first point obiected against vs is meerly false For we haue no doctrine that teacheth to breake fasting daies but the contrary that fasting is a Christian exercise needfull to be vsed for the humbling and enabling of our selues to the duties of praier and repentance as often as the time shall require and we hold him no good Christian that omitteth it Yea our Church hath publicke fasts in the danger of any generall affliction and our people are taught to fast priuately as much as any Papist whatsoeuer setting hypocrisie and superstitioÌ„ aside The difference is that we reiect their set daies and their manner of fast vpon those daies by distinction of meates for conscience sake wherein they place the worship of God by way of merit and satisfaction
Thirdly they haue collations which they hold by prescription that are equall to set feasts For in Spaine on the euen of the Natiuitie for example they haue a bountiful supper exceeding the measure of fasting made of fruites conserues marchpanes and such like x Llam vbi sup pag. 393. which they thinke is lawfull though it hold not the nature of fasting Fourthly they haue customes allowing them on fasting dayes to do as much as we do y Llam vbi sup pag. 369. Ouan 4. d. 16. pro. 52. For in diuers places of Spaine and Castile they vse egges cheese butter yea the lard of swines flesh And generally on saterdayes they eate the inwards of any beast with the head and feete yea any part of a swine the buttock excepted Might it please the Papists now either to giue vs leaue to do what they do themselues or else to inuite vs to their table on fasting dayes that we may haue part with them seeing their hospitalitie is so good when we are bound out from feasting at home This is that which z Ioan. Sarisb Policrat l. 7. c. â—â— a Bishop noted in them long ago and is worth the marking They vndertake strict professions and shew vs difficult things and being more familiarly fauorable to themselues when it cometh to performance they do things gentle and possible Digression 33. Concerning Auricular confession or shrift to a Priest shewing that it is not necessary for the remission of sinne and how it is an occasion rather then a remedie of sinne oftentimes 6 Touching the casting away of necessary shrift we are not to be condemned vnlesse our accusers can name some place of Scripture where Christ or his Apostles hath bound vs to it which they cannot do For their owne Canon law a De Poenit. d. 5 in poenitentia Gloss saith it was taken vp onely by a certaine tradition of the Church and not by any authoritie of the old or new Testament And though the new Iesuites and other Papists begin of late with great passion to denie this affirming that Christ ordained it in the 20. of Iohn yet that is no matter for necessitie and shame hath driuen them to say so and their predecessors as learned as they haue writ the contrary For Panormitan b Super 5. de poenit remis c. omnes vtriusque saith That opinion of the Canon law greatly pleaseth him because he findeth no manifest authoritie that euer God or Christ commaunded vs to confesse our sinnes to a Priest And Peresius a Bishop of the Trent Councell c De tradit par 3. consid 3. saith The cleare and plaine maner of this ordinance both in respect of the substance and circumstance appeareth onely by a tradition And about six score yeares since d Carranz in Sixto 4. Ouand 4. d. 16. pro. 2. Petrus Oxoniensis the Diuinitie reader at Salmanca publickly taught as I say that it had the beginning from a positiue law of the Church and not from the law of God Who though he was made to recant this yet e Ouand ibid. Bonauenture whom the Church of Rome honoreth for a Saint was of his mind long before and f Refert Henri sum pag 206. edit Salamant Medina with others at this day hold it Wherby g Rhem annot Ioh. 20.23 Hopk memor of Christian 225. § 2. their rashnes appeareth that say our Sauiour appointed it so euidently in the Gospell and their miserie that are perswaded by such sayings to beleeue it Yea h Annot. ad Tertul de poenit Rhenanus and i Annot. ad Hiero. de obitu Fabiol Erasmus as learned Papists as euer were affirme that neither Christ ordained it nor the auncient Church vsed it which is the truth For when it began in some sort to creepe in k Socr. l 5. c. 19. Sâ—zo l. 7. c. 16. Tripart histo l. 9. c. 35. Niceph. lib. 12. c. 28 Nectarius the Bishop of Constantinople put it downe in his Church and all the Bishops of the East did the like in theirs which the Papists know well enough and l WaldeÌ„ tom 2. de Sacr c 141. Dom. a Soto 4. d 18 q. 1. Henri sum pag. 325. acknowledge m Impudentissimuâ— illud Nectarij factum Andrâ—d orth expl pag 663. Nectariâ—â— a Noâ—aâ—anis seâ—uctuÌ„ fuisse oportet alâ—imare Nec endaemonem illum qui Nectario â—â—asit quin potiùs cacodaemonem credendum est Baron tom 1. an 56 nu 28. Henriq vbi supra railing vpon Nectarius for so doing which is a signe that the Protestants reiecting shrift breake no commandement of God but follow the example of the Primitiue Church that refused it The which is further proued by the preaching of Chrysostome n Hom. 22 ad pop Antioch saying This is wonderfull in God that he not onely forgiueth vs our sinnes but neither doth he disclose them or make them knowne neither doth he inforce vs to come forth and tell them he requireth no more but that we speake to him alone and to him alone confesse our faults This the godly Bishops would not haue done and taught if the confession had bene receiued in theâ—r time as necessary or if Christ had commanded it or if it had bene so soueraigne a remedie against sinne 7 And touching the necessitie of confession in Lent afore they receiue the SacrameÌ„t o Sum. Armill verbo communio § vlt. Caiet super 1. Cor 11. Paâ—orm dâ—â—clebracâ—missat si 〈◊〉 De homine the learnedst Papists that euer were acknowledge it is a custom but newly brought vp though p Hoâ—â— memor tract of confess pag 255 we be called leud preachers most wickedly deceiuing the people because we say so But marke what Caietan q In 3 â—ho q. 80. art 4. writeth and then iudge what such cause there is why we should thus be censured There appeareth no positiue law enioyning shrift before the receipt of the Communion the law of God hath no such precâ— pt but the contrary is insinuated where the Apostle saith Let a man try himself Wherfore out of this document of the Apostle it seemeth vnto me that he which is contrite for his sinne and receiueth the Communion without shrift sinneth not mortally though he haue a confessor at hand The reason mouing me thus to thinke is because it is plaine that a man hauing contrition for his mortall sinne not confessed and so receiuing doth that which is not sinne of it owne kind Yea to receiue the other Sacraments also with contrition onely seemeth no where to be forbidden And that which is not confirmed by the authoritie of the Fathers must not by a superstitious noueltie be commanded The Papists therefore extolling shrift so fast talke out of their ignorance not thinking that we know how basely they thinke of it themselues 8 For they not onely know it to be as I haue said a later tradition and custome
next point containeth neuer a true word For not one of the persons named professed the Roman faith as it is now holdē a Trithem For Thaumaturgus liued in the yeare 240. Anthonie in the yeare 330. and Benet in the yeare 500. All which time the present religiō of the Romane Church was vnborne except a verie few points of small moment brought in by the superstition of a few and controlled by the generall doctrine of the Church as I shall clearely proue in the sections following Bernard liued later by 500. yeares but he knew not the present Romane faith He was indeed a Monke in many things superstitious what maruell liuing aboue a thousand yeares after Christ but he was a Papist in none of the principall points of the religion For he held the sufficiencie of the Scripture without traditions iustification by faith alone that our workes merite not that no man can keepe the Law that a man by the testimony of Gods Spirit within him may be certaine of grace that there is no such freewill as the Popish Schoolemen teach he stood against the pride of the Pope and the opinion touching the conception of the blessed Virgine without originall sinne as I will make good against the Iesuite or anie that will take his part Who if he would deale faithfully and to the point should not say Bernard professed the Romane faith and was a Monke but he should haue shewed that he professed the present Romane faith as the Councell of Trent and the Iesuits haue set it downe at least in the fundamentall points thereof which he can neuer do As for Francis of Assise who liued about the same time neither was he of the present Romane faith because it was not holden then as now it is though I cōfesse the matter be not great what that b Ecquis credat D. Franciscum pediculos semel excussos in seipsum solitum esse immittere Can. loc l. 11. c. 7. Lowsie Saint were 2 And as concerning the miracles whereby this Iesuite saith it pleased God to giue testimony of these mens holinesse I answer that what is reported of Bernard and Francis and Dominicke and others of that ranke are lyes and deuices Which I demōstrate by this that they are found no where but in the Legends and liues of Saints written by the Friers whose authoritie our aduersaries themselues despise as I will shew in the next Digression The things written of Gregorie Benet and Anthonie and some others of that time haue more antiquitie but no more certentie as I will likewise demonstrate in the same Digression though allowing much thereof to be true yet the Romane faith is not iustified thereby because as I said before they were done when yet it was vnhatched and Rome professed another religion 3 And whereas he saith diuerse of these were religious men and founded religious orders which Protestants reiect this is easily answered by telling him againe first that if they were religious men founded orders yet their so doing conuinceth not that they were of the same faith for there might be orders and professions erected in a contrary religion as the Essens for example had their peculiar order of religion and yet were I thinke no Papists who would be loath to be tyed to the rigor which they professed A solitarie nation c Plin. l. 5. c. 17. Solin Polyhist c. 38. saith the storie of them and admirable beyond all others in the world No woman among them nor venerie without money dwelling among the trees it is incredible to speake it the nation is eternall through thousands of ages wherein no man is borne so fruitfull vnto them is other mens repentance of their liues Next it followeth not because they founded orders of Monkes that therefore they were the same which the Church of Rome now retaineth for they may be altered as indeed they are by the confession of our aduersaries themselues Thirdly such as Anthonie and Benet and Eustathius were erecting professions and orders of life without warrant from the word or at least not by commandement thereof it was lawfull for vs to vse our libertie in putting them away againe without incurring the censure layed vpon vs by the Iesuite And yet he might haue remembred that a Cardinall of his owne Church was the first that put downe Abbeyes in England Digression 44. Answering that which the Papists obiect touching the miracles of their Church and the Saints therein 4 We denie not but the gift of miracles was in the Church at the first reuealing of the Gospell and long after verie commonly whose proper end was to reuoke the minds of men to the marking of the doctrine that accompanied them that by marking it which they would not so easily haue done had not the same of the preachers miraculous workes allured thē the efficacie thereof might lay hold vpon them and conuert them which it did Wherby it appeareth that all their strength arose from the doctrine confirmed by them in as much as it distinguished them from delusions and such like wonders as may be done by naturall causes and the conveiance of Sathan and assured the beholders that their concurrence with so pure and holy teaching shewed them to be of God For d Bell. de not eccl c. 14. de grat lib. arb l. 6. c. 1. our aduersaries confesse that No miracle can certainly be knowen to be so afore the Church approue it vnlesse the wil by some meane be inclined to beleeue it Whereby it appeareth concerning the purest miracles that euer were that although as a signe they inuited men to come and see yet the men being come were assured by the efficacie of the doctrine that what they saw was a true miracle and when God withheld this efficacie that it inclined not the mind then e As appeareth in the vnbeleeuing Iewes the men beleeued not but said they were delusions 5 This I say to shew our aduersaries that that they must not be offended if we examine the miracles offred by the doctrine of the Scriptures For if they confirme any other doctrine we may safely reiect them as lying wonders But we haue an other issue with them easier to be tried then this touching the credit and certaintie of their miracles such I meane as they haue to stand vpon For all that they can alledge for themselues are either the miracles of Christ and his Apostles or of the Saints in the Primitiue Church or of their Legends Touching the two first we answer in a word that they do but trifle away the time in talking of them till they haue proued their religion the same that those men taught for the miracles must be adiudged to that side that retains the same doctrine Whence it followeth that the Iesuit hath no portion in the miracles of the Primitiue Church because he is not of that faith the which if he will denie then the triall must be made by the
men The which things we say God hath tied no man to neither by word nor example in all the Scripture Thirdly the disgracing of religious orders as this Iesuite speaketh began not in the Protestants but themselues as I will shew presently and the first that moued and effected the plucking downe of Abbeys in England was not the Protestants but Cardinall Wolsey g Onuphr vit Pont. Sand. de schism Angl. the scum and scandall of mankind and what the Protestants afterwards did the vncleannesse of the Monks deserued 11 And though we grant that Antonie and Benet and others of that time practised a certaine kinde of Monachisme and liued solitary yet were they Monks of another kind as far from these of the Church of Rome as the time is distant wherin they liued Their religion was not the same their manners were better their conuersation euery way was of another sort And the religious orders among the Papists haue nothing of theirs but the names onely whereby as the Asse with the Lions skin on his backe they gull the ignorant that thinke euery thing is the same that hath the same name For those ancient Monkes betook themselues to solitude at the first not with any opinion of perfection but h 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 c. Soz. l. 1. c. 12. Niceph. l. 8. c. 39 to escape persecution and to hide themselues And when they found by experience that the life fitted their austeritie and rid them of many worldly cares they increased it the more and followed certaine rules for study and behauiour religious exercises much like as is vsed this day in Colledges In which course of life i Antidida Colon pag. 131. Dion eccl hier c. 6. some were lay men not medling with Ecclesiasticall matters k Athan. ep ad Dracont some were maried and liued in that state l Eras vit IeroÌ„ they bound themselues with no vowes m Aug. de mor. eccl l. 1. c. 33. Niceph. l. 9 c. 14 nor made any distinction of meates n Vitas patrum part 2. § 51. Niceph vbi supra they laboured with their hands o Sozo l. 1. c. 12 Ieron ep 13. ad Paulin. and liued not in cities but alone and remote from men with many other customes which the Monkes of this time obserue not whereby they proue themselues to be as far from Antony and Benet as we are Yea diuers among themselues complaine p Polyd. hist Angl. l. 6. that it is incredible to speake how much they are degenerated And q Alua. Pelag. planct pag. 130. though they haue the likenesse of the Apostles yet they are remoued far from their life Let the Church lament her Monkes and say Where be my ancient Monkes which founded the Church and held the holy life of the primitiue Church This sheweth * Liber pater praeponitur libro patrum Calicibus epotandis non codicibus emendandis indulget hodie studium monachorum quibus lasciuam musicam Timothei pudicis moribê° aemulam non verentur adiungere sicque cantus ludentis non planctus lugentis officiuÌ„ efficitur monachale Greges vellera fruges horrea porri olera potus patera lectiones sunt hodie studia monachorum Rich. Dunelm Philobibl c. 5. the religious men of the Romane Church are of another cut then in the time of Antony and Benet they were and therefore disgracing them we touch not the old Monks of that time but birds of another fether 12 And if we haue thought and spoken hardly of them touching their conuersation and so disgraced them what maruell when the very sauour of their cloisters bewrayed them and the stinke of their hypocrisie was such that all the world was annoyed with it and their owne writers chronicled it Must the holinesse of Monks and Nunnes be a signe of the true Church and layd in as an argument against vs and must we be condemned for suppressing them and yet may we not be allowed to looke a little into it and see if it were so indeed or otherwise I see no reason but we may lawfully and without any suspition of malice examine that holinesse that vpon so great termes is put vpon vs and see whether it be so or no and let the shame be theirs that are guiltie and the fault be layd vpon them that first cold the tales out of the schoole For we for our parts are confident that in all their Church they could haue found no holinesse which they might worse haue stood vpon then this of their cloisters of whom their own r Inuent l. 7. c. 5. Polydore saith It were behouefull that these dregs of men were cut off and burnt that with their filth they should no longer defile Gods seruice And Aluarus Pelagius Å¿ De planct l. 2. ar 2 73. 83. writeth of such things done in them as are not meet to be named and I think shal neuer be met with again but in hell or in another cloister 13 I would haue stirred this dunghill no further but that as I was writing these things there came to my hands t Rule of good life a little booke made by a Papist such as our country is full of to seduce the vulgar vnder pretence of exercising them in deuotion wherein teaching his Catholickes how to bring vp their children I must u Cap. 9. pag. 74 saith he tell them often of the Abbeys and the vertue of the old Monks and Friers and Priests and the religious men and women and of the truth and honestie of that time and the iniquitie of ours And therefore accordingly let vs tell our children a little more of this matter and let none tell it but Papists themselues that the children may beleeue them Clemangis a Doctor of Paris that liued 200. years ago when the old time was x De stat eccles pag. 47. inde saith Concerning Monks and Abbeys what can I say that is commendable being so slippery indisciplinated dissolute vnquiet running vp and downe into common and dishonest places hating nothing so much as their cels and cloisters their reading and praying their rule and religion Monks they are in externall habit but in life and works far from their professed perfection This of Monks And touching Friers he saith * pag. 53. They are worse then the Pharises rauening wolues in sheepes clothing who in words pretend the forsaking of the world and in deeds with all possible fraud deceit and lying hunt after it making semblance in outward shew of austeritie chastitie humilitie holy simplicitie but secretly in exquisite delicates and varietie of pleasures going beyond the luxuriousnesse of all worldly men and like Bels priests deuouring the oblations of the people and though not with their wiues yet with their brats filling themselues greedily with wine and good cheare and polluting euery thing with lust whose beate burneth them And of Nuns he saith * pag. 56
with an eternall night Yet nothing will stay our aduersaries from boasting of their Monks for all this but their holinesse at euery turne must be cast in the Protestants teeth So e Trithem in Bened. Apolog. epist pag 83. they haue a solemne brag that the only order of Bennet hath yeelded them twenty kings and Emperors aboue a hundred great Princes eighteen Popes 200. Cardinals 1600. Archbishops 4000. Bishops 15700. Abbots 15600. canonized Saints such arrogant brags as this haue giuen vs occasion to enquire after the manners of votaries more then else we would haue done And our good hap is that what we say that waye is verbatim the report of their owne writers and the experience of all among vs that liued when Abbeys stood § 43. The second difference is that the doctrine it selfe which the Protestants teach induceth men to libertie consequently to leud life Whereas the doctrine of the Romane Church both expresly forbiddeth all vice and prescribeth lawes and rules contrarie to libertie and loosenesse of life and lastly containeth most soueraigne meanes to incite a man to all perfect vertue and holinesse of life As for example it teacheth that notwithstanding the prescience or predestination of God man hath free will wherewith being aided by Gods grace which is readie for all that with humble deuout and perseuerant prayer will aske for it he may auoid sinne and embrace vertue And it teacheth that Gods commandements be neither impossible nor hard but the yoke of Christ is sweete and his burden with the helpe of his grace light It teacheth that as a man may by grace auoid sinne if he will and easily keepe Gods commandements and by doing good workes liue well so these good workes are pleasant and acceptable vnto God and such for which God will giue to all that do perseuerantly do them exceeding grace euerlasting reward in heauen And contrarie that for neglecting good deeds or which is worse doing sinfull deeds God hath prepared intollerable and endlesse paines in hell It prescribeth men to fast and to pray and to vse other meanes to keepe the flesh subiect to the spirit and the spirit to God It maintaineth confession of sinnes to a Priest as commanded by our Sauiour in the Gospell which both is a great bridle to withdraw men from vice as experience teacheth and a speciall meanes whereby the Pastor of the Church knowing the inward conscience of their flockes may better apply fit remedies to their spirituall diseases and prescribe to euery one fit exercises for their practise and progresse in vertue Finally the profession of this Church is such that euen simple Protestants when they see a Catholicke do any thing amisse will ordinarily say You should not do thus So that these that sinne in this Church cannot anie way ascribe their sinnes to anie defect or peruersitie of the doctrine of the Church but must needes acknowledge them to proceed from their owne frailtie or malice contrarie to the teaching of the Church and sometime euen against their owne conscience actuall knowledge Wherefore notwithstanding that there be some sinfull persons in the Romane Church yet it may be called Holy both because the doctrine and profession thereof leadeth of it selfe to Holinesse and consequently is Holy and also because there be many holy persons or Saints in it of which as of the better and worthie and principall part it may well and is termed Holy as a tree which hauing some branches that haue life though others be dead yet of those as of the better and more respected part is absolutely said to be aliue which if we could not outwardly perceiue to haue any branches aliue we would absolutely affirme to be dead and not aliue The Answer 1 Here you see this Iesuit preferreth the holinesse of his Church before ours because it floweth from their doctrine which ours he saith doth not Wherein I blame his memory that a §. 24. hauing before denied the doctrine to be a marke of the Church and made holinesse the marke in stead thereof yet now he cannot proue his holinesse but by the doctrine For saith he it is according to the doctrine Wherein he forgetteth himselfe much for if he cannot proue his holinesse nor distinguish it from the holinesse of a false Church as he conceiteth ours to be but by the doctrine then the doctrine is better knowne and more apparent and consequently a better mark by b §. 26. his owne rules The like error he committeth in his three others markes vnitie antiquitie and succession or else let vs see how he will shift himselfe 2 Next he forgetteth himselfe againe where he saith the Protestants doctrine induceth men to libertie and lewdnesse For I haue shewed before that our aduersaries confesse we absolutely bind men to a godly life Stapletons c De iustifie pag 334. words are these Euen the Protestant themselues albeit they distinguish sanctification and new obedience from our formall righteousnesse whereby we are iustified that it should be no essentiall part thereof yet they teach that it must certainly and infallibly be present to all Gods children as an inseparable companion of iustifying faith as the proper note of Gods children Let the Iesuite looke vpon this and bridle the libertie of his tongue For can the teaching of sanctification and obedience induce men to liberty and lewdnesse yea when it is required to be present certainly and infallibly to all that will be counted the children of God And whereas notwithstanding they reply that the consequence of our doctrine leadeth men to libertie I demand how can the consequence of this point do it which Stapleton acknowledgeth we teach concerning sanctification for it bindeth thē in all their life to auoid sin vpō paine of condēnation Whence it followeth that neither can the consequence of any other point we teach do it or intend it of it owne nature because the force and reason of this floweth into them all But if any man will peruert that we teach as d Mat. 5.17 our blessed Sauiour and his e Rom. 6.1 15. Apostles teaching was peruerted in the like case and receiue with the left hand what we offer with the right f Apoc. 22.11 Let him that is filthie be more filthie and let such libertines and our peruerse aduersaries go together for Gods truth must not be shaped as the Church of Rome hath shaped it to qualifie such humors It is sufficient that our doctrine in it self and the preaching thereof containe obedience and debarre the contrary which it doth as I haue demonstrated in all the points that this Iesuite excepted against in the fortieth section and yet further will do 3 For it is vntrue that this Iesuite saith The doctrine of his Romane Church is against all vice and that no mans sinnes can be ascribed to it for euen the points which he reckoneth freewill ablenesse to keepe the law the merit of mens works fasting
mot 45. saith The truth is that some there haue bene in many ages in some points of the Protestants opinion in so much that scarce any peece or article there is of our whole faith but by one or other first or last it hath bene called in question and that with such liking for the time that they haue all in a manner drawne after them great heards of followers I know Bristo meaneth they were hereticks that in all ages did this but that can he neuer proue yet in the meane time belike he saw some that were of the Protestants faith before of late The second is Reynerius that liued three hundred yeares ago who discoursing of the Waldenses a people for substance of the Protestants religion e Refert Illyric catal tom 2. p. 543. saith They are in all the cities of Lombardy and Prouince and other countries and kingdomes They haue many followers and dispute publickely we haue numbred fortie Churches of theirs and ten schooles in Parish No sect hath continued so long some say it hath bene since the time of Syluester some since the Apostles and there is almost no country wherein it spreadeth not They haue great shew of pietie liuing vprightly before men and beleeuing all things aright concerning God and all the articles in the Creed onely they hate and blaspheme the Church of Rome c. In this testimonie of Reynerius you may see our Church was Catholicke both in place and persons and time and doctrine and that the Church of Rome was resisted and the religion thereof refused afore Luther The true cause why it was not so frequent and publicke as now it is either in place or persons was the persecution of the Pope and the generall corruption of the Papacie which as a leprosie infected and as a mist obscured welnigh all places and persons that sometimes not the true beleeuers themselues such I meane as are come to our knowledge were void of error in euery point though they firmly held the foundatiō as these Waldenses did And if it pleased God in processe of time to giue more libertie to the persons and more puritie to the doctrine what iust occasion is this to say we are not all one Church when the true faith of Christ is not alwayes alike visibly and purely professed Minutius Felix f Octau pa. 401. saith Why are we vnthankfull and why enuie we if the truth of God hath grown ripe in our age let vs enioy our good and let superstition be bridled and wickednes expiated and true religion maintained 2 The next point that our Church is but in few places of Christendome is both false and impertinent First impertinent for if it were so yet were it no hindrance to the note of vniuersalitie For Gods Church vnder the law was shut vp within the narrow bounds of Iudaea and g Digr 17. nu 31 the Papists say theirs in the dayes of their supposed Antichrist shall be openly seene but in few places and h Dried dogm eccl l. 4. c. 2 par 2. Bellar. not eccl c. 7. confesse it is not required to the vniuersalitie of the Church that of necessitie there be at all times in euery countrey some beleeuers it sufficeth if there be successiuely Whence it followeth that if only one prouince did retaine the true faith yet should it truly and properly be called the Catholicke Church as long as it might be shewed that it were the same which it was at other times in other places of the world the which we can shew of our Church how small soeuer the compasse thereof may fall out to be at some time Next it is false for there is no place in Christendome but there are some of our religion therein as not onely experience but our aduersaries owne reports beare witnesse wherein they i Boz sign eccl l. 19. c. 1. Bell. de Rom. Pont. praefat li. 3. c. 21. item de verb. Dei praefat habit in Gymn Rom. complaine how our heresie so heretickes style it possesseth many and large prouinces England Scotland Denmark Norwey Sweden Germanie Pole Boheme Hungary Prussia Lituania Liuonia whereto they may adde France and the Low countries yea Italy and Spaine it selfe where the barbarous Inquisition dayly findeth the profession of our religion euen at their doores 3 The third point that our Church is not Catholick in doctrine neither is as ill proued as the former For negatiue doctrine so farre as it is euil standeth not in denying some points which the fathers held but in denying that which they held according to the Scriptures and which they taught and maintained to be certain and necessary matter of faith deliuered in the Scriptures wherein neither we nor the Centuries euer refused them Neither haue we denied any one point which they held in all ages for the truth as our aduersaries haue For though the Centuries reiect this and that which the Father 's held yet they deny neither this nor that which was holden for the truth in all ages as appeareth by their historie wherein they shew the succession of our faith in all ages and note how it was many times corrupted and mistaken euen by some of the ancient Fathers which is all for substance that the Magdeburgenses can be charged with wherein they haue neither denied the doctrine of the Catholicke Church nor offered the Fathers any wrong to say they had some errors as all men haue and themselues confesse which gaue occasion to others to erre likewise which errors the Centuries sometimes more then was cause noting they did not thereby notwithstanding accuse the whole Church of error because euery thing was not the Churches doctrine that some particular men therein held and what they noted of some particular Fathers must not be stretched to be meant against them all as their censuring somtimes ouermuch of many together for some things written against the truth must not be expounded to be the deniall of all they held beside for if it be and the Centuries be thus censured let this Iesuite say directly without shrinking why doth k Cathar tract de concep virg Suar. to 2. disp 3 sect 6. the Church of Rome hold the virgin Marie was conceiued without sinne l Capreol 3. d. 3. Ban. par 1. p. 75. Paul Cortes in sent which all the Fathers with one consent deny Let them looke my demaund in the face that thinke it heresie to deny the Fathers yea all the fathers consenting in one Digression 47. Of the authoritie of the ancient Fathers in matters of our faith and religion Wherein it is shewed what we ascribe to them and how farre forth we depend vpon them And the practise of our aduersaries in contemning eluding and refusing both them and their owne writers is plainly discouered 4 But this is a point that must be further looked into and not suffered to passe away thus Our aduersaries neuer make an end of boasting of the Fathers and by
that their impudencie more then by any other deuice they haue seduced the world m Greg. a Val. to 3. pag. 291. d. One of them saith The Protestants in the questions of faith should enquire on what side the Fathers stand that it being knowne immediatly without any other examination they might embrace that doctrine which the Fathers of old iudged to be true Let vs therefore see who they be that most sticke to the Fathers 5 But first it is to be noted that of all hands it is agreed the Fathers were not of infallible iudgement but had their errors so they say themselues Austin n D. 9. Negaro saith I cannot deny but there are many things in my workes as there are in the writings of my ancestors which iustly and with good discretion may be blamed And thus they all confesse yea Anselme o Comment in 2. Cor. writeth that in their books which the Church readeth many times are found things corrupt and hereticall yet neither the bookes nor the authors are condemned for this Let the wise Reader peruse their bookes and he shall find this true that I say Thus p Refert Bellar. de Chr. l. 4 c. 8. Hilary denied that Christ in his sufferings had any sorrow q Strom. l. 6. l. 3. Clemens Alexandrinus saith that Christ did not eate and drinke of any necessitie but onely to shew he had a true body and that he and his Apostles after their death preached to the damned in hell and conuerted many r Epiph de Not. Origen taught many things against the faith and wrong expounded the most things in Scripture ſ Ep. ad Iubaiā Cyprian held rebaptization and t Aduers Prax. Tertullian Montanisme u Legat. Athenagoras condemneth second mariage And none is free 6 Yea many Fathers haue erred together with one consent as appeareth in general Councels x Turrecr sum l. 3. c. 58. concl 2. Panor de elect elect pot Signif which haue erred and may erre by our aduersaries owne confession y Euseb l. 7. c. 5. With Cyprian in his error of rebaptization took part many great Councels z Refert Bellar. Iustine Irenaeus Papias Tertullian Victorinus Lactantius Seuerus Apollinaris Nepos and many more held the error of the Millenarians And a Bann part 1. pag. 75. our aduersaries grant that the more part of Doctors if some few be against them make no infallible argument in matters of faith but in things not concerning faith the consent of all together maketh but probabilitie and no certaintie Which assumeth it for true that many fathers may erre together with one consent Hence it followeth euidently that euery thing is not vndoubtedly true which a father or many fathers haue written but may with good discretion be examined by the Scripture and if it agree not therewith it may be reiected Yea this ought to be so without any preiudice to their faith that do it For though b Eph. 4.11 God send them for the teaching of his Church yet that sending was no otherwise nor with any greater authoritie then he sendeth the present Pastors now liuing who haue the same authoritie to teach and freedom from error that they had and differ nothing from them but in antiquity which time may bring to them as well as it did to the fathers and yet who doubteth but they may erre in their teaching and without iniurie to the faith be examined in that they say 7 Vpon this ground it is that the Protestants think they are not absolutly tied to euery thing that the fathers haue written They reuerence the fathers and studie their writings and thereby attaine to great knowledge in things concerning our faith and account their books as most excellent monuments of antiquitie but they allow the Scripture onely to be iudge whereby they trie both the fathers and themselues And they thinke it most absurd which the Papists to gul the world with haue written that c Noli meis d. 9 glos §. In istis the writings of the fathers must be obserued at a nailes bredth The writings of Austine and of the other Doctors must be holden to the vttermost tittle d Onuph prim Pap. part 1. c. 6. It is rash and foolish and terrible rashnesse to go against a sence giuen by the Fathers for the vnderstanding of the Scriptures I say we thinke such speeches as these grosse and absurd and we contemne them For e Plut. in Agesil when one told Agesilaus he would bring him where hee should heare a man whistle for all the world like the singing of a Nightingale he answered It should not need for he had heard the Nightingale her selfe So we haue heard the Scripture it selfe more liuely and lesse subiect to error then the purest writings of the Doctors Wherein we are content our aduersaries themselues be iudges For Andradius f Def. Trid. l. 2. saith there can nothing be deuised more superstitious then to count those things for diuine oracles which the Fathers deliuered onely as probable And he addeth that God hath reuealed many things to vs that they neuer saw c. And whereas it is sometime busily obiected against vs that the Doctors liuing so neare the Apostles times were likely to see more then we that liue so farre off Dominicus Bannes a Doctor of their owne denieth this It is not g 22. pag. 58. 59. saith he necessary that by how much the more the Church is remote from the Apostles times by so much there should be the lesse perfect knowledge of the mysteries of faith therin because after the Apostles time there were not the most learned men in the Church which had dexteritie in vnderstanding and expounding the matters of faith We are not therefore inuolued in the more darknesse by how much the more in respect of the time we are distant from Christ but rather the Doctors of these later times being godly and insisting in the steps of the ancient Fathers haue attained more expresse vnderstanding in some things then they had For they are like children standing on the shoulders of giants who being lifted vp by the talnesse of the giants no maruell if they see further then they themselues Thus you see that our aduersaries notwithstanding their cauilling at vs yet take the same libertie in reading the Fathers that we do and thinke it reason sometimes to preferre their owne iudgement afore theirs 8 Neither were it so hainous a matter for vs to deny things written by the fathers if preiudice and malice one at another were set aside For h Augus contra Cresco l. 2. c. 32. contra Maximian l. 3. c. 14. the fathers themselues denied what some had holden before them and I know few Papists of any wit but allow it because the fathers haue their errors and take it for granted that they held many things against the Scriptures Marsilius i Defens
since Christ till now without interruption 2 Gregory of Valenza teaching that it is one property of the Church to be alway visible b Tom. 3. pag. 142. saith this troubleth vs exceedingly in as much as we are not able to shew any company of people which in times past was known in the world to hold that form of doctrine and religion that now we haue brought in And I haue obserued in all my acquaintance with persons affected to Popery in this country where I dwell that they obiect nothing against vs more willingly then this And therefore I will answer it fully and directly And touching the time immediatly after Christ and so forward til 800. yeares were ended I name the Primitiue Church and the other Churches throughout the world professing the faith of Christ and affirme that they were of our religioÌ„ though some corruptions especially laterward came in withall And if our aduersaries deny this we offer to make the triall by the new Testament and writings of all the said ages successiuely out of which we will shew that our faith is the same which the Apostles preached and the fathers for al that time beleeued whatsoeuer came in beside was resisted and disallowed all the difficultie is touching the ages following til Luthers time And we say that all that time also in euery age successiuely there was a Church of our religion Our aduersaries bid vs shew it and name the place and persons whereto I answer two things That touching the place the Church of Rome it selfe was it For in euery part thereof there were some that held our faith and that which was called the Church of Rome was but a contagion outwardly cleauing to it and by reason of the multitude preuailing against it in a sort and obscuring it Concerning the persons and particular companies we lay downe two things first it must needs be granted that such there were because the names of some are extant as for example the Waldenses Wickliffe and the Bohemians which agreed with vs in the substance of our religion Next we are not bound to shew an exact catalogue from time to time precisely of euery such person and companie so that vnlesse we do it we lose our cause for first it was the time of Antichrist wherein the Church must be persecuted and by that persecution be diminished and obscured which is the cause why the professors could not ordinarily possesse whole cities and countries wherein they might professe their faith openly but in all places they liued oppressed with the tyrannie and obscured with the greatnesse of Rome that their names and places with other circuÌ„stances whereby their memory should haue bene preserued could not so easily come vnto vs. Next it is certaine that the Church may be in places where none can see it as c 2. Reg. 19 18. in Elias his time there were seuen thousand in Israel and yet he saw neuer a one of them Whence it followeth that they argue but weakly against vs that say our religion was not because we can shew no professors for Elias could shew none and yet there were seuen thousand Thirdly the want of histories is a hinderance For things past can be shewed by no other meanes and the most of those times were exceeding barren of good writers Baronius d An. 90â— n. 1. noteth such want of writers in the nine hundredth yeare that therfore it is called the obscure age So that many things might appeare at those present times which for want of stories could neuer come to our knowledge And the consideration of this one point may iustly stay the discreete from being too confident against vs when they shall see many things to be done that are not written to the posteritie but he forgotten And more then this we assure our selues that the Church of Rome would in all those ages do her best to deface the memorie of any thing that might witnesse for vs whereby it came to passe that so little was written of the men of our religion For what they writ themselues it was easie for their enemies to suppresse and what their enemies wrote of them is of as much credite as that which the Iesuites write this day of vs. This that I say is more then probable For if at this day our aduersaries e Azor. instit tom 1. l. 8. c. 16. Posseu biblioth select pa. 130. a. wipe our very names out of bookes and commaund that no man shall name vs but in contempt and charge vs with horrible opinions that we hold not as that we make God the author of sinne denie fasting praying and good workes c. we may with good discretion assure our selues their ancestors haue done the like in former ages to the men of our religion Hence it cometh to passe that their memorie is very scant in Popish stories as the matters of the Iewes are rarely mentioned in the writings of the Gentiles though they were famous and where they are remembred it is with contempt and slander and hence it is that Wickliffe and the Waldenses are charged with such vile opinions For if the Iesuites thus charge and belie vs at this day why might not their forefathers belie them in like manner and deface their memorie The man that readeth but Wickliffes owne bookes and compareth them with that which Frier Walden most impudently chargeth him with shall finde this to be true that I say And euery bodie knoweth what monsters are written touching Ierom of Prage by his aduersaries and yet Poggius the Popes owne Secretarie that was an eye-witnesse of his death and triall at the Councell of Constance saith f Epist ad Leonard Aretin inter epist Pij 2 â—p 425. he was a man worthy eternall memorie there was no iust cause of death in him he spake nothing in all his triall vnworthy a good man and he maketh question whether the things obiected against him were true or no. So then the practise of the Papists this day with vs defacing our names belying our opinions burying our memorie corrupting our bookes suppressing the truth of things purging and razing all manner of euidence maketh vs assure our selues that in the same manner our ancestors were vsed and that it is a principall reason why we yeeld not so perfect a catalogue as else we might do 3 That which is more to be said touching this point shall be handled below sect 50. § 46. But the Romane Church is for it hath bene continually without interruptioÌ„ since Christ and his Apostles time still visible professing the same faith without change which now it hath and therefore is Catholicke or vniuersall in Time It hath had and hath at this day at least some of euery countrey where there are anie Christians which is almost if not absolutely euery where that communicateth and agreeth in profession of faith with it therefore it is Catholicke and vniuersall in Place It teacheth a most ample and
spirit and I will pray and sing with the vnderstanding also And Origen e Cont. Cels l. 8 saith Let euery man make his prayer to God in his natiue mother tongue And many learned Papists confesse f Lyra. Tho. Caiet vpon 1. Cor. 14. Eras declar ad Cens pag. 153. that in the Primitiue Church and long after the prayers and seruice were done in the mother tongue and that it were better for the churches edification to haue it so stil Cassander a great Papist g Liturgic c. 28. penult sheweth this at large and addeth that diuers nations to this day retaine the auncient custome still and neuer vsed any strange language in their prayers See Iustinian Nouel 123. 3 Thirdly touching the forbidding of lay people to reade the Scriptures and to haue them in their mother tongue For h Ioh. 5.39 Christ bad the people search the Scriptures and i Act. 17.11 the Christians of Thessalonica searched them dayly and k Deut. 6.7 Moses commanded all housholders to rehearse them continually to their family and l 2. Tim. 3.15 Timothie of a child was trained vp in them And m Corn. Agrip. vanit c. 100. the Councel of Nice decreed that no Christian should be without a Bible And Chrysostome n Homil. 3 in Laz. biddeth the lay people take the Bible into their hand and reade it and o Homil. 2. in Mat. saith the reading thereof is more needfull to them then to the Monkes And Ierome p Epitaph Paul commendeth it in women of his time that it was not lawfull for them to be ignorant in the Psalmes or to passe ouer any day without learning something out of the holy Scriptures The which things the Church of Rome at this day will not follow 4 Fourthly touching the mariage of Ministers For in q Leuit. 21.7 2. Reg. 4.1 Ezek 24.18 Luc. 1.13 the old law Priests and Prophets had wiues and r Heb. 13.4 the doctrine of Saint Paule is that mariage is honorable among all Å¿ Paphnut apud Sozom. l. 1. c. 22. Theophyl in Heb. 13.4 men t 1. Tim. 3.2 Tit. 1.6 Chrys hom 1. in Tit. who also giueth order concerning the wiues and children of Bishops which were needlesse if they might haue none And that they were ordinarily maried in the Primitiue Church appeareth by many examples Mantuan u Fast l. 1. saith Hilarie a French Bishop was maried and that in his time it was lawfull Nazianzene x Monod reporteth of Basils father who was a Bishop that in the state of marriage he held the life and order of a Bishop And Synesius the Bishop of Ptolemais y Epist ad Euopt Niceph. l. 14. c. 55. writeth thus of himselfe The sacred hand of Theophylus hath giuen me a wife and hereupon I testifie to al men that I will neither forsake her nor yet priuily as an adulterer keepe her companie but I will pray God to send me by her many and good children Athanasius z Epist ad Dracont reporteth that Bishops and Monkes liued maried and had children And the Ecclesiasticall histories a Euseb l 4. c. 23 Socrat. l. 5. c. 22. Niceph. l. 12. c. 34. say expresâ—y that in the Easterne Churches it was counted a yoke too heauie to be layed on the Church-men to binde them from marriage and therefore they might if it pleased themselues auoide the companie of their wiues but no law constrained them And therefore many executing the place of Bishops euen in the houses where Bishops vsed to dwell begat many children of the wiues which before time they had lawfully married and at this present day no Bishop sleeping with his wife is counted vnchast Finally our aduersaries themselues confesse that b Scot. 4. d. 37. Polyd. inuent l. 5. c. 4. Antidid Colon. pag. 128. Coster Enchir. pag. 517. Greg. a Valen tom 4. disp 9. q. 5. puÌ„ct 5. § 1. in the most auncient times of the Church and after the Apostles death they had their wiues c 26. q. 2. Sors that they are forbidden mariage by no diuine law but onely by a humane constitution d Ouan 4. d 25. pro 9 Bellar. cleric c. 18. that this constitution may be dispensed with by releasing the vow e Caiet quod lib. 1. q. 12. pag. 236. in fine coÌ„ment in 3. part Thom. That excluding the Church lawes made by the Pope and standing only to that which we haue from Christ and his Apostles it cannot be proued by any reason or authoritie that speaking absolutely a Priest sinneth in marying but reason rather leadeth to the contrarie in that holy orders neither as they are orders nor as they are holy can hinder mariage f Pius 2. epist 321. That it is better for a Priest to marrie then to burne though he haue vowed not to marry g Pius 2. apud Platin. in eius vita Erasm declarat ad Censur Paris pag. 200. That there be many reasons to forbid Priests mariage but more to allow it 5 Fiftly touching Images For the Church of Rome h Conc. Nicen. 2. act 7. Concil Trid. sess 25. not onely worshippeth them but commaundeth also to do it i Conc. Trid. ib. Suar. to 1. d. 54. s 4. Tho 3. q. 25. art 3. 4. with diuine honour the verie same that is due to God himselfe contrarie to the commaundement which saith k Exod. 20.4 Thou shalt make to thy selfe no image nor the likenesse of any thing thou shalt not bow downe to it nor worship it And Saint Paul l Rom. 1.23 reproueth such as changed the glorie of God into the similitude of men and beasts and fowles And m Apoc. 19.10 22.8 the Apostle was rebuked for offering to haue worshipped the Angell The Councell of Eliberis n Can. 38. decreed that no picture should be made in the Church lest that were adored which is painted on walles o Ep. ad Ioan. And Epiphanius finding an Image painted on a cloth hanging in a Church rent it down and said it was against the authoritie of the Scripture that any image should be in the Church And Origen p Contra Cels l. 7. saith of his time We worship no Images q Clem. Alexand hort ad Gent pag. 14. graec Minut. Felix octou Athenag Legaâ— and the auncient Christians of the Primitiue Church had none Yea eight hundred yeares after Christ when r Zon. Cedren alij the second Nicene Councell had set vp Images Å¿ Ouand 4. d. 2. pro. 8. Baron ann 794. n. 1. a generall Councell holden at Frankford t Abb. Vrsperg ann 793. Rhegin ann 794. where the Popes Legates also were abrogated the decree thereof and by u Opus illust Caroli Mag. contra Synod a booke purposely written confuted it In that booke it is said * pag. 486. lib. 4. cap. 2. the
he they beleeue nothing but mocke at all that is shewed them of God being rooted in this opinion touching our God that he is the worst and most vniust and wicked of all gods because he hath such seruants And k Pag. 15. he telleth of a Prince in the Isle of Cuba who calling his people together shewed them a casket full of gold and iewels and told them it was the Spaniards god and after they had danced a while about it he threw it into a riuer because saith he if they once get him from vs they will kill vs this man was afterward taken by them and burned quicke who being fastened to the stake a Frier cometh to him and telleth him of God and the matters of our faith the which if he would beleeeue he might go to heauen if not he must go to hell there to be tormented for euer The Prince after a little pause asked the Frier if the Spaniards went to heauen who answering yea they did the Prince answered again without any further deliberation that then he would not go to heauen but to hell where he might once be free from that cruell nation 10 All this and much more writeth Bartolomaeus Casas protesting oftentimes ouer that he setteth not downe the thousandth part of the cruelties vsed and we are enforced to beleeue it because we reade the like in diuers others that haue written of the discouery and conquest of those nations and the best friends the Pope hath had haue complained of it Victoria reading in the schooles l Relect. 5. said We heare of many harmelesse people murthered and spoiled many Lords thrust out of their possessions and depriued of their territories the like is noted by others and the Priests and Friers are charged to be both accessary and principall in it and the matters contained in the Priests Indian letters touching their miracles and holinesse are but fictions spread abroade to ward off this infamy the which if it be vniustly laid vpon them let them not blame me but their owne writers who protest they saw it and whose narrations I haue onely related being ready to shew ten times as much out of other authors likewise as occasion shall serue In the meane time I make this vse of it that when I reade our aduersaries importunate bragges of their m Posseuin bibl select l. 9. c 9. catechizing the Indies and baptizing them such as this is n Sur. commen ann 1565. Many of the Isles and countries of the Indies greedily imbrace the faith and oftentimes whole cities are baptized 15000. conuerted to Christin one weeke to thinke they haue learned the lesson which Thales Milesius taught an adulterer to forsweare the adulterie when he had committed it o Diog. Laert. lib. 1. in Thalet 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 for saith he the periury is no worse then the adulterie So thinke our aduersaries that they may boldly forsweare their cruelties and bloodshed committed among the Indies because the periury and forgery whereby they deny it is no worse then the murther But this is a desperate shift § 50. Lastly let them shew some space of time in which the Romane Church was not since Christ and his Apostles or in which is was not visible and knowne as we can shew them many hundred yeares in which theirs was not or else at least by their owne confession was not visible as I proued Christs true Church must alway be Let them shew when the profession of the ancient faith in anie substantiall point did faile in the Romane Church and when and by whom the profession of a new faith began in it as we can shew when and by whom this new faith of others began Certaine it is that once the Romane Church had the true faith and was the true Church to wit when S. Paul said to them Vestra fides annuntiatur in vniuerso orbe Rom. 1. Your faith is renowmed in the whole world But when as the learned and glorious martyr Campian in Rationibus redditis academicis ratione septima vrgeth when I say did Rome change the beliefe and profession of faith so renowmed which once it had Quo tempore quo Pontifice qua via qua vi quibus incrementis vrbem orbem religio peruasit aliena quas voces quas turbas quae lamenta progenuit Omnes orbe reliquo fopiti sunt dum Roma Roma inquam noua sacramentae nouum sacrificium nouum religionis dogma procuderet Nullus extitit historicus neque Latinus neque Graecus neque remotus neque citimus qui rem tantam vel obscure iaceret in commentarios At what time vnderwhat Pope what way with what force with what augmentation or increase did a strange religion ouerflow the Citie and the whole world What speeches what rumours what tumults what troubles what lamentations at least did it breed Was all the world asleepe when Rome Rome I say the imperiall and mother Citie did coyne new sacraments a new sacrifice a new doctrin of faith and religion Was there no historiographer neither Latine nor Greeke neither farre off nor neare who would at least obscurely cast into his commentaries such a matter as this is Certainly it is not possible that if such a thing had happened but it should haue bene resisted or at the least recorded by some For suppose it were true which the Protestants imagine that some points of that religion which Rome holdeth at this day were as contrary to that which was in it when S. Paule commended the Romane faith as white is to blacke light to darknesse or so absurd as were now adayes Iudaisme or paganisme or as Holinshead saith it were the bringing them out of Gods blessing into the warme Sunne Holinsh descript Britan. fol. 11. then I demaund if it were now possible that any Prince in any Christian Citie much more the Pope in Rome the mother Citie could at this day bring in any notable absurd rite or forme of Iewish or paganish religion for example to offer vp an Oxe in sacrifice or to worship a Cow as God and not to practise it priuately in his owne chappel but to get it publikely preached and practised in all Churches not onely of Rome but of the rest of the Christian world and that none should in Christian zeale oppose themselues no Bishop preach no Doctor write against this horrible innouation of faith nor the author thereof That none should haue that Christian constancie which hath bene alway seene when any persecution was to suffer martyrdome in defence of their ancient faith That there should be neuer a true heartie Christian that would lament it None that would speake of it No historiographer that would at least make some obscure mention of it Could all be so asleepe that they could not note it or so cold and negligent of their soules good as generally without any care to yeeld to it No certainly though there were no promise to the Church
stood not disputing the matter as the Iesuite doth here with quo tempore quo Pontifice qua via qua vi quibus incrementis Were the workmen all asleepe were they all so cold and negligent For by this argument the tares might haue bin proued to be good corne but it was sufficient for him to espie them when he came into the field and to discerne them from the wheate and to giue charge to his seruants that they should not bind them vp therwith And thus came the change of religion into the church of Rome as these tares were sowne in the husbandmans field 7 Thus I haue sufficiently shewed that forsomuch as we finde the Romish faith to be against the Scriptures we haue iustly condemned it as heresie against the Catholicke faith though we were not able to note any time when it began or person that first deliuered it or people that resisted it But we haue another issue with our aduersaries about the second proposition wherein the Iesuite you see with much confidence assumeth it that there can be no proofe made of any time or persons wherein his Church altered the ancient faith He biddeth vs shew who brought in the profession of a new faith and when the old failed He asketh at what time vnder what Pope what rumors what lamentations did it breed what resistance was made against it what historiographer writ it did none oppose themselues and so concludeth that no mention being made in any storie that such an alteration was it is sure there was no such at all In which words containing the summe of all that remaineth in this section he requireth vs to shew two points first when the Church of Rome changed her religion and who they were therein that brought in a new faith Next what resistance was made against her when she did so Wherein I am resolued the Iesuite speaketh against his owne knowledge onely to set a good face on the matter For is it possible he should be so ignorant as to imagine these demaunds cannot be satisfied Such as he is may speake boldly and peremptorily but they that trust them wil be deceiued as I wil plainly shew in the two next digressions wherein I will out of sufficient records make direct proofe first that the beginning of many principall points of the Romish faith may be shewed both concerning the time and the persons that began them Secondly that in all ages the corruptions of that Church haue bene resisted as they came in The shewing of which two points will fully answer all that is contained in this section Digression 51. Naming seuen points of the Popish religion with the time when and maner how they gate into the Church thereby to shew that there is sufficient record to detect the noueltie of the present Romane faith 8 This point in the matter of PARDONS is so cleare that it cannot be denied for the most learned Papists that are acknowledge the vse of them to be come very lately into the Church Which being so it must necessarily be granted there is some thing altered and begun among them since the Apostles time Durand l 4. d. 20. q. 3. saith There are few things to be affirmed for certaintie concerning Pardons because the Scripture speaketh not expresly of them and the Saints Ambrose Hilary Austin Ierome speake not of them at all Caietan m Tract de Indulg c. 1. saith there can no certaintie be found touching the beginning of Pardons there is no authoritie of the Scripture or ancient fathers Greek or Latin that bringeth it to our knowledge Alphonsus n Haeres verbo Indulgen saith Their vse seemeth to haue come but lately into the Church And Henriquez the Iesuite o Sum. moral l. 7. c. 3. Scol saith There be certaine late Diuines which affirme it is no rashnesse if a man say the vse and practise of Indulgences is not from the Apostles times If there be no mention of them in the Scriptures nor Fathers nor in the ancient Church how can it be shifted off but they had a late beginning and so are not Catholicke 9 The beginning of THE POPES SVPREMACIE vsurped ouer other Bishops was in Boniface the third For Fr. Duarenus a Papist p De sacris eccl benefic l. 1. c. 10. writeth that with great ado he obtained of Phocas that he might be made the vniuersall and oecumenical Bishop which authoritie saith he his successors haue wonderfully enlarged whereas in the beginning as q Respons de priuileg patriar charum in iure Graecoroman tom 1. Balsamon a Greeke writer witnesseth the fiue Patriarks were of equall honor and stood all in steed of one head ouer the whole bodie of the vniuersall Church The beginning of his supremacie ouer Councels was of late since the Councels of r Sess 4. 5. Constance and ſ Sess 2 18. Basil decreed within these hundred yeares in the Councell of t Sess 11. Lateran by a few Italian Bishops whereas in the ancient Church it was otherwise For Cedrenus a Greeke historiographer u Annal. p. 361. 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 writeth that the oecumenicall or generall Councels were so called for that by the commaund of the Emperour the chiefe Bishops throughout the Romane Empire were assembled And x Concord l. 2. c. 25. Cusanus a late Cardinall of the Church of Rome saith how all the eight generall Councels were gathered by the Emperour The beginning of his supremacie claimed ouer Princes was but of late For Sigebert mentioning the Popes proceeding against Henry the Emperour about 300. yeares since y Chron. ann 1088. pag. 129. Idem Auentin annal Boio l. 5. pag. 470. saith Be it spoken with the leaue of all good men this noueltie that I say not heresie had not as yet sprung vp in the world that Gods Priests should teach the people that they owe no subiection to euil Princes and though they haue sworne alleageance to him yet they owe him no fidelitie neither shall be counted periured which thinke against the King yea he that obeyeth him shall be counted for excommunicate and he that doth against the King shall be absolued from the guilt of iniustice and periury In which words we see how a Frier of their owne 300. yeares since calleth that noueltie and heresie that now is cherished among our aduersaries and maintained for a peece of the Catholick faith and the Iesuite possible calleth Campian a glorious Martyr because he was tied vp for the practise thereof For it is well enough knowne that neither he nor any other Priest were euer executed in the Queenes time but onely for publishing and practising that which here you see Sigebert calleth Noueltie Besides the Popes clawbacks is it because they are beggerly both in wealth and learning as Fr. Victoria z Relect. 1. de potest eccles pag. 39. noteth of them now adayes publish in print a Carer potest Rom. Pont. l 2.
yet he condemned all worship of them as sinne which he could not haue done if the Church had beleeued the contrary And the proceeding of the Councell of Frankford against the Nicen immediatly after it was done with the mislike that most men then liuing had thereof and the generall grudge of all the Christian world against it sheweth this to be true that I say u Opus illustriss Caroli magni c. An. 1549. The booke of Charles the great x Bell. de imag c. 14. Baron an 794. nu 31. containing the acts of the Councell of Frankford and confuting that of Nice is extant And as soone as the decree of the Nicen Councell came abroade and was knowne the faithfull refused it and spake against it as against a new conceit neuer heard of before y Houeden coÌ„tinuat Bedae ann 792. a good Historiographer writeth that Charles the king of France sent ouer into England a booke containing the acts of a Synode he meaneth the second Nicen Councell directed to him from CoÌ„stantinople wherein out alas for griefe many things are found inconuenient and contrary to the true faith Specially because by the vniforme consent almost of all the Easterne Bishops no lesse then three hunndred or more it is confirmed that images should be adored Which thing Gods Church altogether detesteth Against which booke Albinus wrote an Epistle maruellously confirmed by the authority of the Scriptures and together with the booke offered it to the king of France in the name of our Bishops and Nobles The Bishop of Rhemes liuing at the same time z Refert Alan Cope dial 4. c. 18. p. 564. writeth thus In the time of the Emperour Charles by the commandement of the Apostolicke sea there was a generall Councell celebrated the said Emperour calling it wherein according to the path way of the Scriptures and tradition of our ancestors that false Synode of the Greeks was destroid and wholly abrogated And the Bishop of Orleance at the same time likewise a Ionas de cult imag lib. 1. writeth that the images of Saints and stories of diuine things may be painted in the Church not to be worshipped but to be an ornament and to bring into the minds of simple people things done and past But saith he to adore the creature or to giue it any portion of diuine honour we count a vile wickednesse and detest the doer of such a wickednesse and with open mouth we proclaime him worthy to be accursed Would so great Peers of the Church and that so vniuersally haue thus bitterly taxed the Nicen Councell if it had not brought in and begunne a new doctrine Did the Christian world thus exclaime when nothing was altered Wey their words well and you will not thinke it 13 The doctrine touching the merit of workes was begun lately by the Schoolemen for Waldensis b Sacramental tit 1. cap. 7. p. 30 saith it is Pelagianisme and chargeth them to haue inuented the termes of condignitie and congruitie thereby to vtter it And it may easily be knowne to be to by this that the said Schoolemen agree no better in it For it were not possible they should be so contrary one to another therein if it had bene a Catholicke truth receiued from the beginning without alteration 14 The Masse began not all at once but by degrees For the Latin language came not in where the people vnderstood it not till the time of Gregory six hundred yeares after Christ as c Declarat ad censur theol Paris p. 153. Erasmus affirmeth the Church in former times vsing the Seruice in the vulgar tong The transubstantiation now beleeued to be therin is acknowledged by Scotus and Biel to be no elder then the Councell of Lateran For so d Tom. 3. d 50 sâ—ct 1. p. 628. c. Suarez the Iesuite reporteth of theÌ„ which report our aduersaries are bouÌ„d to credit coming from the mouth of so great a man of their own side The sacrifice conceited to be made therin in the iudgement of diuers learned Papists was not done by Christ For e Instit moral l. 1â— c. 8. Azorius the Iesuite writeth that some Catholickes deny that Christ offered vp himselfe vnder the forme of bread and wine in his last Supper The which is true indeed and thence it followeth that the opinion of such a sacrifice is not founded on Christs deed but vpon some later inuention since him And it is very plaine that Thomas of Aquin three hundred yeares since knew it not For f Qu. 83. art 1. disputing how Christ is sacrificed in the Eucharist he answereth that he is said so to be in two respects First because the ministration of the sacrament is an image representing the passion of Christ which is his true immolation and images vse to be called by the names of those things wherof they are images SecoÌ„dly in respect of the effect of his passion because by the sacrament we are made partakers of the fruit of his passion and saith he as concerning this secoÌ„d maner it is proper to this sacrameÌ„t that Christ is immolated or sacrificed therein These reasons of his shew that he knew no such kind of sacrifice as the Church of Rome now defendeth because the celebration of the Eucharist being in his opinion but an image of the true sacrifice of Christ he could think it to be no true sacrifice vniuocally so called but onely by externall relatioÌ„ And saying again that Christ is sacrificed therin by reason we are made partakers of the fruit of his passion he sheweth clearly he knew no reall sacrifice because we are made partakers of that euen in Baptisme also where no maÌ„ imagins Christ to be sacrificed They that are acquainted with Thomas maner of writing wil soon perceiue that had he know nor beleeued such a sacrifice in the Masse as is now conceited he would haue vttered it in other more effectuall termes and expressed it as fully as the Iesuites haue done since him And touching the outward forme of the Masse I need say no more then Cusanus the Cardinall hath confessed g Ep 7. p. 857. He saith The Apostles made the sacrament of the Eucharist by saying the Pater noster as Saint Gregory affirmeth and that diuers formes were vsed before one Scolasticus came who composed that which at this day our Church vseth The which also is diuers according to the diuersitie of places But we which liue vnder the Church of Rome haue receiued the order of the Masse from the Bishops of Rome themselues who successiuely haue added thereunto one after another and so it commeth to be a perfect Seruice or liturgie This confession is enough to shew when many substantiall points were brought against former antiquitie into the Masse For at this day the Liturgie and rites thereof containe many substantiall errors inuocation of the dead commemoration and intercession for soules in Purgatorie adoration crossing c. all which by
this confession must necessarily be granted to haue bene added successiuely since the Apostles time 15 I am weary of collecting these particulars albeit the like may be done in many more And therefore I will shew one way whereby any point of Papistry whatsoeuer may be manifestly shewed to be an alteration from that which was first holden by the true Church though the particular circumstances of the change cannot be named and that is the vncertainty and contradictions among our aduersaries touching the same and the holding of it at one time in a farre other manner then they do at another the which is a strong euidence to shew that it is but the inuention of mans wit for were it the old Catholicke truth without alteration they could neither remoue nor contradict it among themselues no more then they do the doctrine of the Trinitie or incarnation Hereof I will set downe onely two examples that our aduersaries may see their turpitude and yong students in the controuersies may be admonished what to obserue in reading the bookes of Papists both old and new 16 Touching the worship of images the Church of Rome at this day vseth it teaching that all images must be adored but the images of God and of Christ in a speciall maner with the same worship wherewith we honour God himselfe which is diuine honour And this h Azo instit l. 9 c 6 the Iesuites say is the constant opinion of all their Diuines yea i Sess 25. Azo 〈◊〉 supra Suat coâ— â—â—â—â—p 54. sect 4. the Councell of Trent hath so decreed it But marke how long it was before this opinion was ripe and what vncertaintie there is among themselues touching it For first there was a time when the Church had no images at all as I haue shewed Digress 49. nu 5. then in processe of time through the faction of priuate men they gat in against the minds and good liking of the godly as appeareth manifestly by the 36. Canon of the Elibertin Councell and the fact of Epiphanius And when they began thus to be let in yet was it onely for an historical vse and to adorne their Churches no worship at all being at the first allowed them more then we allow the pictures that are in the glasse windowes of our Churches this day in England This is proued by the records of those times conuincing our very aduersaries For Cassander perswaded by a discourse of Saint Austins k Consult concludeth thereupon that there were no images in all the Churches of his diocesse And Polydore l Inuent l. 6. c. â—3 writeth that by the testimony of Hierome it appeareth how in a manner all the ancient holy fathers condemned the worship of images for feare of idolatry m Index expur Belg. in Polyd. Vergil The which words the Papists in the later editions of his booke haue blotted out And Erasmus n Cateches saith that by the testimony of sound and approued stories it is cleare that till Hieromes time such as were of sound religion would endure no image either painted or grauen to be set vp in Churches no not the Image of Christ himselfe And to put this that I say out of controuersie our aduersaries are not able to bring one testimony out of all antiquitie whereby it may be conuinced that the images of God or Christ or any Saint were carued in statues and set vp in the Churches to be adored and offered vnto as now they are They may shew certaine pictures and paintings in wals and windowes for other purposes and they may muster vp the fables of Christs and his mothers picture made by Saint Luke the image that Christ sent to Abgarus the image erected by the woman of Syrophaenissa the image made by Nicodemus and such like which are either vntrue or impertinent but one solid authoritie cannot be giuen against that which I haue said our aduersaries haue long searched to finde it and haue wearied themselues with contending about it but whatsoeuer they bring proueth nothing when it cometh to the scanning Afterward in the second Nicen Councell by a faction of vnlearned and simple persons conspiring together at the suggestion of a gracelesse Empresse and vpon silly grounds a decree passed to worship them the which notwithstanding was refused as impious by the Bishops of England France and Germany in the Councell of Frankford which was a generall and full Councell o Abb. Vrsperg an 793. p. 1â—7 consisting of many Bishops out of all the Prouinces of the Empire p Rhegnio an 794 p. 30. and the Popes owne Legates if any would deny it to be a lawfull generall Councel Yea this worship thus decreed was not allowed long after nor is not to this day by many great and skilfull Papists for among the Schoolemen and later diuines of the Church of Rome there be q Hoâ—k Sect. 137. â— in Sap. Dura 3. d. 9. q. 2. Alex. 3. q. 30. art 3. Mirand apoloog qu. 3. Alphons Haeres verb. Adoratio haer 2. Concil Mogâ—nt an 1549. sub Sebast c. 41 42. diuers that say No worship at all is due to an image neither is it lawfull to worship it But for so much as by the Image of Christ we are stirred vp to adoâ—e Christ and before it make our adoration to him therefore we are said to adore the image And yet r Act. 4. 7. the worship allowed by that Councell was far short of that which the Church of Rome now giueth For it was not that which is called Latria diuine honor but the lesser worship consisting in the externall reuerence and being inferior to that which is giuen to the samplar And Å¿ Gabr. 3. d. 9 q. vnica concl 7. lect in Can. 49. R. Aquil. 3. d 9. Petes tract de imag p. 228. Catharin opusc de cult imag de Consecr d. 3. Venerabiles gl §. Cultu Sand. imag c. 17. many of the Schoolemen and others goe no further Till at the last in the daies of Thomas Aquinas t Tho part 3. q. 25. art 3. ibi Caiet Suar. Grego valent the conceit waxed bigger and grew to that which it now is that the crucifix and image of Christ must be adored with the same honour that himselfe is yea that honour staieth in the very image And by this one example the reader may perceiue how the seuerall articles of Papistrie haue increased by degrees and how they haue bene held at one time otherwise then at another the learned of that Church alway remouing them that it is vnpossible they should be certaine what to hold 17 Another example shall be touching originall sin For our first parents AdaÌ„ Eue hauing sinned against God left the effect of that their sinne in all mankinde their posteritie wherby they are born the childreÌ„ of wrath as the Apostle testifieth Eph. 2.3 This effect we call originall sinne and our aduersaries at this day define it to
hath left y De occult Philosoph l. 3. c. 15. written that certaine I dare scarce report it my aduersaries are so impatient in hearing such things but yet I will say it againe Cornelius Agrippa a great learned Papist hath left it written that certain of the Schoolmen naming Thomas of Aquin and Aureolus defended that the very starres in the firmament might be worshipped and called vpon to helpe vs but onely for doubt of giuing occasion to idolatrie not that it were idolatry in their conceit so to do but it might giue occasion of idolatrie possible as cutting of throates giueth occasion of murther 9 Touching adoration of the sacrament which is the Iesuites other example of things reputed by the Protestants for no small errors in the Church of Rome we count is grosse superstition indeed and shew the time when it came in For it is a late inuention following vpon the conceit of the reall presence and prescribed 1220. yeares after Christ by z C Saâ—e de celebrat missarum Honorius the third and so was resisted by all those that withstood the reall presence And if we cal it heathenish superstition thus to adore bread and wine we are to be borne with For if the oblation of bread and wine a Iul. Firmic de erroâ—e profa relig Iustin Mart. apol 2. vsed by the Gentiles in their sacrifices to Mithra were idolatrie what is the worshipping euen with diuine honour of that which is no other for substance then that which the Gentiles offered Besides the lawfulnesse of adoration dependeth vpon the truth of reall presence which being ouerthrowne the adoration cannot be excused And that which is more supposing there were such a presence in the sacrament yet according to the doctrine of the Church of Rome no man can be certaine when it is that he might adore without error For b Sum. Rosell verbo Euchar. 3. nu 47. they teach that the Priests intention is it that worketh For if he should say the words of consecration without intention to consecrate the bread and wine he should effect nothing c Fr. Ouand 4. or if he intend to consecrate but one hoast and there chance to be two or more theÌ„ nothing is consecrated at al. In which cases and the like there must needs be idolatrie at least somtimes in the adoration because though there be no doubt but Christ is really present vnder the forme rightly consecrated yet it may be doubted whether they be consecrated effectually or no for if they be not theÌ„ nothing is worshipped but the bare bread For remedy wherof d Hâ—lens 8. q. 30 memb 3. art 1. §. 3. Bonaue 3. d. 24. art 1. q. 1 they teach this poore shift to adore vpon condition if the due forme in consecrating be obserued e Panorm c. Sane de celebr missarum And they giue the Priest an Item that if he be called in the night season to houzell the sicke and there spend all his hoasts then as he cometh homeward he must put out the candle and go darklong lest the people adore the emptie tabernacle Againe it is f Omnes enim eodem modo de speciebus sacramenti sicut de imaginibus philosophari debent Vasq adorat l. 2. nu 357. confessed that the supposed formes of bread and wine are adored with the same honor that is giuen to Christ yea g Vasqu ib. nu 359. Resert some thinke without referring that honour to Christ contained vnder them but staying it in the formes The which being so then the adoration of the sacrament is culpable of the same idolatry euery way that the worship of images is which I haue proued to be heathenish 10 That which the Iesuite toucheth by the way how the Protestants hold the Eucharist really to be but a bare peece of bread is a lie because they hold the Eucharist to consist of two parts the outward elements and the inward matter thereby conferred to vs. This last we call neither bare bread nor bread at all but the flesh of Christ that was giuen for vs and it is infallibly conioyned with the bread by a sacramentall relation being as truly present therewith to the worthy receiuer as the bread it selfe though not in the same manner For when land is conueied by writing and seale though it be not really contained in the wax and parchment but lieth peraduenture an hundred miles off yet is it truely present and thereby infallibly giuen to him with whom the couenant is made And he that should account such a conueyance executed but bare parchment would be refuted by euery tenant in the countrey who esteeme their leases to haue the ground so vnited to them by vertue of the bargaine passed betweene their Lord and them that thereby they can occupy it safely and maintaine their right against all intruders that would molest them So is it in the sacrament whose outward element if we call bread so did our Sauiour and his Apostles and the ancient Church before vs. For Saint Paul saith h 2. Cor. 1â— 16 the bread that we breake is the communion of the body of Christ and i 1. Cor. 11. so often as ye eate this bread And Iustin Martyr i Apol. 2. paâ— 76. saith the Ministers deliuer to all that are present of the sanctified bread But bare bread we call it not saue onely in respect of the naturall substance which it retaineth euen after consecration and when it is ministred to persons vnworthy For if a conueyance made to Peter lying vpon the table be giuen to Richard or if Richard fraudulently take it away he receiueth nothing but bare waxe and parchment by reason the couenant was not made with him but Peter He is not the partie that hath the right though to Peter it be a further matter then bare parchment 11 But if the Iesuite would needs haue bene censuring such as speake vndecently of the Eucharist he might haue looked nearer home in his owne Church k Verum esse huiusmodi apparitiones posse saepe fieri virtute daemonis Suar. tom 3. l. 55. sect 1. where it is holden that those very apparitions of flesh and bloud in the Sacrament which they say are sometime seene and are vsed as an argument to proue the reall presence may be done by the power of the diuell And l Caâ—telae Missae where they teach that a man hauing receiued his maker may vomit him vp againe and m Tho. 3. q. 80. art 3. ad 3. Suar. tom 3. d. 62. s 2. where it goeth for currant that a brute beast as a dog may eate the bodie of Christ These speeches are foule and deserue more reproofe then that which saith the externall element in the Eucharist for naturall substance is but bare bread as the water in baptisme for naturall substance is but bare water though by diuine institution they be eleuated to be the sacred misteries of the
examples r Puer fermè decēnis Baron an 1033. nu 6. Glab Rodulf Bennet the ninth was a child about ten yeares old ſ Baro. an 955 nu a. 3. Iohn the twelft a mad lad eighteen yeares old at the most t Plat. Baro an 908. 1. Sergius the third entred violently casting out his predecessor Christopher imprisoning him with bands vntill he draue him to turne Frier and so end his dayes u Baro. an 912. nu 7. Iohn the eleuenth was created Pope by Theodora and violently intruded for his filthy loue x Baro. an 928 nu 2. Afterward her daughter Marozia by force of armes expelled him and caused him to be imprisoned where he was smothered to death Leo the sixt succeeded him y Baro. an 929 1. and he also was imprisoned and died The next but one was Iohn the twelft z Baro. an 931 nu 1. he was bastard to Sergius by Madam Marozia and being yet but a stripling was violently put into the Popedome by his mother and her husband Wido the Marquesse a Baro. an 940 nu 1. The next Pope but one was Stephen chosen by the Romanes without the Cardinals consent b Baro. an 955. nu 4. Iohn the twelfth was made Pope by the faction of Albericus his father when for his age he was not yet capable of the order of a Deacon c Luitpr l. 6. ◠11. In the end his Bishops forsooke him and one night as he was in bed with a mans wife he diuel strooke him and he died About ten yeares after d Baro. an 974. nu 1. Bennet the sixt was imprisoned and murdered by Boniface that succeeded him who got the Popedome by violence e An. 975. nu 1 and was againe himselfe as violently deposed and Iohn the 15. put in his roome f An. 985. nu 1 but he returned againe and apprehending Iohn imprisoned and murdered him This companion is one of the succession and yet Baronius saith of him he was a villaine and a theefe the murderer of two Popes the inuader of Peters chaire who had not so much as one haire of a Romane Bishop whether ye consider his entrance or going forward but deserueth to be reckoned among famous theeues and ransackers of their countrey such as were Sylla and Catiline all who might cast their cap at this theefe These are a few examples among many of such as haue succeeded in the Church of Rome taken out of our aduersaries owne writings May it please them to looke backe and make a stand a while and when they haue viewed the maner of their coming in and well beheld their order to say what they thinke of the Romane succession in their dayes and where it was And to remember that it is not the badnesse of their liues that I now vrge against them but the maner of their entrance which by all lawes of God and men maketh them apostaticall and as Baronius confesseth not fit to be put into the catalogue and yet they were aboue fiftie Popes together that thus entred and this order continued 200. yeares at that time beside all other times wherein the succession may be shewed to haue bin no better 10 Lastly g Onupht cro Ro. pont Bozi sign eccl l. 19 c. 1. there haue bin thirtie schismes wherein there were two or three Popes at once As for example about the yeare 1044. h Baro. an 1044 nu 1.2.5 Naucler vol. 2. gen 35. Onuph in Grego 6. ad Plat. Bennet the ninth Syluester the third and Iohn were all Popes at once and made their abode in three seuerall places of the citie diuiding among them the reuenues of the Patriarchies vntil Gregory the sixt hiring them with mony to giue ouer himselfe was created the fourth Pope and was presently expelled againe and Clement ordained Againe i Theod Niem l. 1. c. 7. about the yeare 1379. began the schisme betweene Vrbane and Clement which ended not till 70. yeares after At the first there were two Popes together the one in Italy the other in France k Naucler vol. 2. gener 46. Ioan Marian. de reb Hisp l. 18. c. 1. what time the most learned men aliue could not tell which was the true Pope but it was doubted throughout the Christian world l Naucler gen 47. Hereupon some thirtie yeares after the schisme began the Cardinals meeting at the Councell of Pisa elected a third Pope and so there were three Popes whereof Bellarmine m Rom. pont l. 4. c. 14. saith it could not easily be iudged which of them was the true and lawfull Pope euery one of them hauing most learned patrons n Naucler gen 48. Shortly after the Councell of Constance deposed them all three and created Martin which yet did not so extinguish the schisme but that in the Councel of Basil it brake out again where the Duke of Sauoy was made Pope against Eugenius and was called Felix o Clement elected an 1379. Felix resigned an 1449. betwene whose resignation and the election of Clement against Vrban was 70. yeares Here let any man bethinke himselfe what succession this was wherein so many Popes succeeded all at once and no man can tell which was the true Pope For if the Iesuite will haue me to beleeue the Romane faith because of the succession of Popes in that Church then it is needfull that he shew me who they were that thus succeeded and proue their entrance lawfull which he cannot do forasmuch as euery one of them will maintaine his owne right and as I haue noted had the most learned and conscionable men in the world on their side that no man could tel who succeeded § 56. And this conclusion I may also confirme with the authoritie of the ancient Fathers who in expresse words do affirme the Romane Church which was then gouerned by Popes as now it is to be the lawfull and Apostolicke Church Iren. l 3. c. 3.5 August contra Ep. fundam c 4. and in diuerse other places S. Ambros serm 47. de fide Petri. S. Hierome Epist ad Damas de verbo hypost S. Cyprian l. 1. Ep. 1. ad Cornel. l. 4. Ep ad Papianum and others The which since they did affirme for no other reason but because that companie of men which were Christians in Rome and which in their dayes communicated with the Romane Church had a lineall succession of people and priests deriued without interruption from the Primitiue Church which was planted by the Apostles themselues with which succession of Priests must needs be inseparably ioyned succession of doctrine since I say for this reason no other they did call the Romane the Apostolike Church this reason alway holding as well since the dayes of these Fathers as before we may say that in effect they affirmed the Romane Church at this day to be the true Apostolike Church See especially Irenaeus and S. Austin in the place alreadie cited
And Tertullian lib. de praescript And Optatus lib. 2. contra Parmen The Answer 1 The ancient Fathers affirme not one word of all this First they affirme not that the Romane Church was then gouerned by Popes as now it is For they saw not how it is gouerned now and therefore could not affirme it And that it was not in their time thus gouerned I haue shewed Digression 27. and 49. num 6. and 51. num 9. The Bishops of Rome in their time I graunt were called Popes and Occumenicall as a Ep. Arsen apud Athan. apol 2. Basil ep 52. Iustin Nouell 3. 5. in tit Balsam respons in iure Graecorsi Ioan. Aquipont de Antichr p. 107. other Bishops also were but they had no such authoritie as now they vsurpe Their owne b Concord l. 2. c. 12. Cusanus may teach them that he is gotten beyond the ancient obseruations not hauing that power belonging to him which certaine flatterers giue him And Duarenus a Papist likewise yet c De sacris eccles benef l. 1. c. 16. confesseth as much as I say that Phocas made him the vniuersall Bishop which authority his successors haue maruellously increased 2 Next albeit they affirme the Church of Rome to be the lawfull and Apostolike Church yet they affirmed not the present Romane Church which they neuer saw so to be He that affirmed Lais to be a virgine when she was ten yeares old did not say she was so at tweÌ„tie Rome since their death hath plaied the whore and lost that name and reputation which the fathers had of her Which answereth all the places cited out of Irenaeus Austine Ambrose Hierome and Cyprian For calling Rome the Apostolike Church they spake of their owne time and not of ours 3 Thirdly they do not affirme the Romane Church in their dayes to be lawfull and Apostolike for no other reason but because it had a lineall succession from the primitiue Church but as I haue answered d Sect. 53. n. 2. inde before because it had withall the succession of doctrine which the present Papacie hath not Neither did they thinke that therefore it had succession of doctrine because it had succession of Priests as if the former must needs be inseparably ioyned with the later For their words expresse no such thing as I haue shewed They reuoke schismatickes to the succession indeed of the Romane Church as they did likewise of others and obiect it against them but not it alone nor so as they would assume all succession for euer to be ioyned with the true faith though then in the Churches named it was Neither did they beleeue the Priests whom they so called to be sacrificers or Massing Priests They vsed the name but they gaue it not the definition which the Church of Rome now vseth Vpon all which it followeth that the ancient fathers affirmed not the Romane Church at this day to be the true Apostolicke Church though you see into the places cited an hundred times the which are answered Sect. 53. principally for this cause that the reasons whereupon they so commended it then hold not now in our dayes as they did in theirs If our aduersaries will take benefite by that which the fathers say in commendation of the Romane Church in their dayes they must proue their succession as inuiolated and their doctrine as sound as then it was which they can neuer do § 57. Now to make an end considering all this which I haue said and proued to wit that there is but one infallible and entire faith the which is necessarie to saluation to all sorts of men the which faith euerie one must learne by some knowne infallible and vniueâ—sall rule accommodate to the capacitie of euerie one the which rule can be no other but the doctrine and teaching of the true Church which Church is alway to continue visible to the worlds end and is to be knowne by these foure markes aforesaid agreeing onely to the Romane Church whereupon it followeth that it only is the true Church of which euery one must learne that faith which is necessarie to saluation considering I say all this I would demaund of the Protestants who will not admit the authoritie or doctrine of the Church how they can perswade themselues to haue that faith whereby they may be saued or by what right they can chalenge vnto themselues the title of the true Church since as I now haue proued they haue neuer a one of these foure markes which by the common consent of all are the true markes of Christs true Church How can theirs be the true Church which neither is one because it hath no meanes to keepe it in vnitie nor holy because neither was there euer man of it which by miracle or by some other vndoubted testimonie can be proued to be truly holy Neither is their doctrine such as those that most purely obserue it do without faile become holy nor catholike because it teacheth not all true things which haue bin held in former times but denieth many of them Neither is it spread ouer all the Christian world but euery particular sect is contained in some few corners therof neither hath it bene euer since Christ but sprong vp of late the first founder being Martin Luther an apostata Frier a man after his apostasie knowne both by his writings words and deeds and maner of his death to haue bene a notable euill liuer nor Apostolike because the preachers thereof cannot deriue their pedegree lineally without interruption from anie Apostle but are forced to begin their line if they will haue anie from Luther or Caluin or some later How can they then bragge that they only haue the true holy Catholike and Apostolike faith Since this is not found but only in the true holy Catholike Apostolike Church and remaining alwayes as S Augustine said in ventre Ecclesiae in the bellie of the Church It is vnpossible that they which are not of this Church should haue the true faith according to the saying of the same Augustin afore cited Quisquis ab hoc ventre separatus est necesse est vt falsa loquatur whosoeuer is separated from this bellie of the Church he must needs speake false For who can once haue true faith vnlesse he first heare it because fides est ex auditu Rom. 10. Faith cometh of hearing But how can one heare it sine praedicante without one to preach it truly vnto him The Answer 1 That which the Iesuite hath said and proued is granted him to wit that there is indeed but one true faith which is necessarie to saluation to all sorts of men the which as it must so it may be learned by that rule which God hath left infallible vniuersall and accommodate to the capacitie of euery one the which rule is the Scriptures contained in the bookes of the old and new Testament and not that which the Iesuit meaneth by the doctrine and teaching of the
Church though no man deny but that is needfull for the shewing and teaching of the rule to all that shall be saued expounding the said teaching of the ministerie wherby the faithfull are directed in the Church But he hath not proued the Church to be alway visible to the world nor those foure to be the Notes of the Church He hath said it but not proued it as appeareth by my answer 2 All which being considered his demands are soone and shortly answered that the Protestants admit the authority and doctrine of the Church though they thinke not the Papacie to be it nor the authoritie thereof to be aboue the Scripture And the grounds wherupon they perswade themselues to haue the sauing faith are so infallible that all the Papists in the world cannot cōfute them And our title to the true Church is sound when our aduersaries haue smattered and wrangled against it what they can for the doctrine of the Scripture which in all points we professe beleeue proue it And albeit those foure One Holy Catholicke and Apostolicke be not the markes of the Church but certaine qualities therein yet we haue them at least for anie thing the Iesuite hath said to the contrarie all whose discourse against vs pretending the want of these things among vs I haue fully answered in their proper places and retorted vpon himselfe whereby the iudicious reader may be satisfied And therefore when we say ours is the true faith we brag not but maintaine and auouch our lawfull title since as S. Austin saith the same is not to be found but in the bellie of the true Church which we are Whereupon we aduise all Papists whatsoeuer to renounce the Papacie if they will hold the truth and be saued For according to the saying of the same Austin afore-cited whosoeuer is separated from this bellie of the Church must needs speake false because out of the true Church there is neither true preaching nor lawfull sending such as should preach and I haue manifestly shewed that the Papacie is not the true Church but a disease that by the faction of some grew vnto it 3 Thus the whole discourse of this Section is briefly answered But where he saith our religion sprang vp of late the first founder being Martin Luther an apostata Frier a man knowne by his writings words deeds and death to haue bene a notable euill liuer this must be a little more stood vpon because it is the burden of euery song among the Papists And first it is to no purpose to say our religion sprang vp of late in Luther vnlesse our euidence whereby we shew it to agree with the Scripture and to haue bene taught in the Church of Rome it selfe many hundred yeares afore Luther was borne can be disproued Next we graunt Luther was a Frier and obtaining the knowledge of the truth renounced the profession which was no other apostasie or fault in him then it was in S. Paule when he renounced the profession of a Pharisee and became an Apostle both the professions being hypocrisie saue that of the Frier was of a deeper tincture as I haue shewed Digress 45. Then concerning his writings the Iesuite is no competent iudge For woe to him and all his Church if Luthers writings be good And therefore let them be examined by the Scripture the touchstone of all mens writings not by the witles preiudice of idle companions that neuer read them And if they containe some particular things that deserue reproofe yet what disgrace is that to the substance of his writings What fathers writing is so pure but it containeth some error Yea I challenge the Iesuit let him name if he can one writer of his owne side old or new Schooleman or Iesuite but some or other in the Church of Rome will except against something he writ Thomas Caietan Bellarmine and Baronius are controlled yea in the later editions the Councell of Trent hath purged in a manner all writers which maketh it cleare that some errors in Luthers bookes disaduantage vs no more then the errors purged and espied in their owne books disaduantage the Papists And yet the things that are most excepted against are no errors but the ancient truth maintained against Popish innouation And let the words of Erasmus a man able to iudge by a Antididag p. 58. Sur. cōment p. 288. Staplet discours p. 159. the Papists owne confession determine this matter b Epist ad Cardin Mogent He saith It is obserued of a truth that these men the Papists condemne many things in Luthers bookes as hereticall which in Austin and Bernard are read for godly and good Diuinity and he addeth That he seeth this the best men are least offended at his writings The which is most true it being their ordinary practise for the hatred of our persons to raile vpon that which by their owne confession the ancient fathers held before vs. So c Hosiand hist eccl cent 16. p. 837 Andreas Masius in the company of diuers acknowledged there was more Diuinitie in one page of Luther then sometimes in a whole booke of some father Let his writing therefore rest and come to his life and death Digression 54. Containing a briefe narration touching the life and death of Martin Luther with the incredible reports thereof made by his aduersaries And shewing how sundry Popes in the Church of Rome haue liued and died worse then he supposing all reports were true 4 In speaking of this matter that standeth altogether vpon witnesses I must put the reader in mind of a speech of Bellarmines d Not. eecl c. 14. §. Sed respondeamus That it is the part of a foole rather to beleeue Caluin and Illyricus touching ancient histories whereat they were not present then Bernard Bonauenture and Antonine that were present Let this law be kept then that Surius Lindan Pontacus and other railing Papists that were not present at Luthers life and death be not credited against them that liued with him saw him die and if any will beleeue them let him be the Iesuites foole Now touching his life Melancthon that was his companion and liued with him hath written it and commended it to say no more And Erasmus that was familiar with him e L. 11. Ep. 1. ad Card. Eborac in a certain Epistle to Cardinall Wolsey giueth testimony that his life was approued with great consent of all men And this saith he is no small preiudice that the integritie of his manners is so great that his verie enemies can finde nothing which they may calumniate As indeed to this day nothing can be produced against him that is substantiall They clamour of his doctrine because it was against them and produce some vehement speeches which his aduersaries by their iniuries prouoked him vnto as Saint Hierome often times vseth the like vehemency but what is that to his conuersation Let them shew his life to haue bene led otherwise then became
Paule in the foresaid place that those that come to it must not take the honor to themselues but must be called vnto it as Aaron was to wit visibly and by peculiar consecration and must come to it in this ordinarie maner which our Sauiour termed to enter in by the doore Ioh. 10. to wit by Christ who visibly sent his Apostles saying Euntes docete omnes gentes baptizantes eos c. Matth. vlt. and Ioh. 20. vsing a peculiar ceremonie Qui sufflauit in eos he breathed vpon them saying Accipite Spiritum sanctum quorum remiseritis peccata remittuntur eis quorum retinueritis retenta sunt and are not forgiuen them By which words visibly was giuen to the Apostles both power to absolue from sinnes and a vertuall commandement to the people to make confession to them of all their mortall sinne since without this confession they could not tell what to remit and when to retaine sinnes The which Apostles being thus visibly by our Sauiour called consecrated and sent did visibly by imposition of hands ordeine others their successors and these others from time to time without interruption vntill this present men who now are Priests and Pastors in the Catholicke Romane Church These therefore I say enter in by Christ the doore and therefore are true Pastors and whosoeuer entreth in anie other way our Sauiour in the same place hath told vs how to account of them where he saith Qui non intrat per ostium in ouile ouium sed ascendit aliunde fur est latro who cometh not to feed the sheepe but to steale kil and destroy them So that we haue not to expect any to be sent of God to teach and instruct vs in faith but such as come in this ordinary maner as it is certain Luther and Caluin did not come The Answer 1 In this place the Iesuite to shew we haue not the Church excepteth against our Pastors and particularly against Luther and Caluin as if they had no lawfull calling to preach as they did And indeed it is a certaine truth that all true Pastors in the Church of God taking vpon them to instruct his people must haue a calling thereunto and be sent of God as the texts alledged do well proue Heb. 5.4 2. Chron. 26.18 Mat. 28.19 Ioh. 10.1 and 20.22 And if anie man leape out of the Church forsaking that company wherein lawful succession vndoubtedly is and with the succession lawfull sending froÌ„ God he must be reputed a hireling that cometh to destroy For this is the touchstone whereby true teachers are discerned and the contrarie discouered And by this we know the Pastors of our Church against whom the Iesuite excepteth to be legitimate For the God of heauen sent them and when they came they leaped not out of the Church otherwise then the wheate doth out of the chaffe when it is winnowed neither did they teach anie thing that was new or contrarie to the Church but continued and reformed the ancient doctrine which the Papacie in the Church had corrupted And let the reader remember which I haue often answered in this booke that the Popish religion and abuses of all sorts in processe of time grew as a leprosie vpon the Church and as I may say incorporated themselues therewith by reason whereof things good euill were mingled together Gods word with mans traditions the true Sacraments with mans errors and the externall calling of Ministers with foule corruptions in which case Luther and our teachers renouncing the said errors traditions and corruptions and retaining the rest cannot be said to haue gone out of the Church but to remaine perfectly in it still because that which they left was not vniuocally of the church but only in conceit was reputed so In the Church of Rome knowne by that name and in no other in these Westerne parts were the true Scriptures Sacraments Callings and Successions euery part of true faith and necessarie doctrine but these things were not the Papacie against which we go the Papacie was and is that which ouer and besides was by degrees added to them And therefore our Pastors leapt not out of the Church which alwayes goeth with the truth but out of the Papacie and preaching by vertue of that externall mission which they receiued in the Papacie they had the vndoubted commission of Christ whereto they had right And euen as when a faire poole of water becometh in time corrupted weedes grow the mudde increaseth and frogs creepe into it the owner thereof cutteth a channell and leauing the corruption drawes the water to another place and so occupieth it without danger and the frogs remaining must not complaine the water is theirs because the pit wherein they remaine is it that first ingendred it no more may the Papacy accuse vs for going out of the church of Rome as long as we left nothing behind vs but the frogs and weedes and that which was the ancient water before they came we are whose growing vpon vs was the cause that we separated although they succeeded in the Church as the weeds and frogs did in the poole 2 The Iesuite obiecteth that God hath planted a Church to endure in all ages wherein he will haue a visible succession of teachers preserued from failing in the true faith therefore none are sent of God but such as come in this ordinarie maner called and succeeding visibly and with peculiar consecration which Christ termeth entring in by the doore The Antecedent whereof is false For though Gods ordinance be that he haue a Church and teachers therein in all ages succeeding one another and standing in the truth yet he hath made no law that this succession shall be visible or with peculiar consecration as the Iesuite meaneth them For by visible he vnderstandeth conspicuous at al times to all the world which is a foolish assertioÌ„ a § 17. And so forward to the 24. confuted in it owne place where he disputed it It is sufficient that the succession of the Pastors in the Church be visible to the children of the Church And by peculiar consecration b Dom. Bann he meaneth the Popish ceremonie of Orders which is a priuate inuention of the later times and the proper corruption that grew to the outward ordination and calling of Ministers which God appointed Let these false definitioâ—s be remoued and the succession and calling and consecration be expounded as God meant them when he said they should alway be in the Church and our Pastors haue them as I haue answered c §. 52. n. 5. §. 53. and so forward before Yea our verie aduersaries denie not but a man may be a lawfull Minister though a Bishop neuer consecrated him and whereas the common opinion in the Church of Rome is that a Bishop differeth not from a Priest in order but in iurisdiction onely hence it followeth vnauoidably that iure diuino a simple priest in some cases may ordaine because
the power of ordaining belongeth not to iurisdiction but to order as they call it The which point will serue to auoid all that the Iesuite hath said in this section though we should say no more 3 The Texts of Scripture obiected are easily answered To that of Heb. 5. I say it requireth no more but that the partie be called of God which Luther was as we know by his labour and the fruite of it though Luther had also a lawfull outward calling as I haue shewed Sect. 52. num 5. For the Apostle speaketh of Christ who yet had none of the peculiar consecration mentioned by the Iesuite but onely a calling from God otherwise testified All the other places receiue the same answer For they mention nothing but a lawfull entrance into the ministerie containing no one sillable that bindeth to such an externall kind of succession as our aduersaries call for Whereupon I conclude that Luther and Caluin and all our ordinarie Pastours came in by the doore and satisfied the whole ordinance of God touching a lawfull calling For inwardly God enabled them and opened their eyes to see the Romane corruptions and outwardly they were created Pastors and teachers of Diuinity in the Churches where they liued and where they preached the magistrate authorized the people allowed them which is sufficient vnlesse the doctrine they taught could be disproued And if anie other outward ceremonie or custome were wanting which is vsed in the Church of Rome or hath bene vsed in the purer Church in former ages we care not for that but are readie to maintaine that all circumstances considered no such custome or ceremonie is simply and by the law of God or absolutely necessarie Digression 55. Shewing how vncertaine and contrary the Papists are among themselues touching the power of Priesthood in remitting sinnes and concerning the first institution of Shrift where it began 4 The Iesuite alledging the words of Christ mentioned Ioh. 20.22 to shew the necessitie of coming in by a lawfull calling by the way glozeth two things vpon them that deserue to be noted First that thereby the power to absolue from sins was giuen the Apostles so consequently to all Priests Which I will shew to be but a new opinion and of no certaintie that the reader may see the Church of Rome is not at one with her selfe touching the principallest points of her faith and no man can be certaine of anie thing that the Iesuite saith for these be his words To the Apostles was giuen power to absolue from sinnes But Fra. Victoria d Relect 1. de potest eccles sect 3. saith There be many Catholike authors which to the power of Orders do not simply attribute the remission of sins or collation of grace or any effect truly spirituall at all For they say mortall sinnes can neuer be forgiuen but by contrition and that by the power of the keyes sinnes are neuer forgiuen or the first grace conferred Wherein he hath truly reported of many great and ancient Schoolemen For so thought e Lib. 4. d. 18. the Maister of Sentences And Maior f 4 d. 14. q. 2. concl 3. saith The sacrament of Penance doth no way blot out sinne adding that the Doctors hold this commonly g Mich. AygnaÌ„ Bonon in Ps 31 Bononiensis demaunding whether a Priest can remit sinne by the power of the keyes answereth that the keyes are taken three wayes First for the principall authoritie simply and so they belong to God onely Next for authoritie not simply principall but precellent and so they belong to Iesus Christ onely Thirdly for authoritie neither principall nor precellent but ministeriall onely and thus the Pope and his successors haue the keyes as Christ said to Peter I will giue thee the keyes By this ministeriall power he meanes the same that Peter Lombard whoÌ„ he alledgeth followeth doth h Mag. lib. 4. d. 18. Ouand 4. d. 18. pro. 26. who is now reiected for holding that the key worketh not any absolution from the sinne but onely declareth the partie to be absolued But i Altisiod part 4. tract 6. cap. 8. q. 2. Alexand. part 4. q. 80. m. 1 ad 3. Occh. 4. q 8. lit q. Gabr. 4. d. 14. q. 2. lit d. n. most ancient Schoolemen follow him Occham saith I answer according to the Maister that Priests bind and loose because they declare men to be bound and loosed 5 The which exposition being the truth as it ouerthroweth the present conceit holden touching the Priests absolution that it is a iudiciall act effecting grace and iustifying a sinner whether contrite or not contrite that is not materiall to the Priests authoritie so it ineuitably destroyeth the Sacrament of Penance For this supposed power to remit and retaine sinne is the foundation of that Sacrament For therefore it is beleeued to be a Sacrament because the Scripture mentioneth the remitting of sinnes by the power of the keyes which power being no more but onely to declare them to be remitted by true contrition without conferring anie grace to the partie the Sacrament is destroyed for want of conferring grace properly and so there is no argument in the Scripture that Penance is a Sacrament 6 Againe the Iesuite saith that the Apostles had power to absolue from sin and the people a commandement to confesse their sinnes giuen in those words of Iohn thereby affirming his supposed Sacrament to be instituted by Christ and in those verie words wherein he falleth againe into the former difficulties and worse For in the 40. Section he said the Protestants denying Penance and Satisfaction to be needfull go against that of Iohn Baptist Do workes worthy of penance and that of our Sauiour Mat. 4. Do penance Which cannot be so if Penance were not ordained before Christs resurrection for howsoeuer he will thinke the deniall of Penance is against the Scripture yet if it were not ordained till Christ was risen he is debarred from saying we do against the words of Iohn Baptist Christ Mat. 4. because those words command no Penance or if they do then it was not instituted in Iohn 20. after Christs resurrection Let the Iesuite choose which he will 7 The truth is our aduersaries and the Church whereof they are though they make much ado with this sacrament because it is the net that taketh all their prouision yet can they not tell either when or where it was instituted or who commanded it You heare what the Iesuite saith that Christ did it in the 20. Chapter of S. Iohn which is I grant the currant opinion among the Iesuites since the Councell of Trent but in former times it was not so afore these men the Paracelsians of the text tooke it in hand Now k Ouand 4. d. 16 pro. 15. faith a late Frier out of the Tridentine Councell prouing the necessity of confession by discoâ—rse out of the authoritie of Iohn 20 we haue this to be the germane sence of that
text He saith Now since the Tridentine Councell this is the sence but before no such matter was beleeued Nay contrary for l Verb. Confessio 2. n. 1. saith Angelus Clauasinus a truer way then by Iohn 20. whereby it is proued that confession is de iure diuino is this that it must not be thought the Church and the Apostles would haue layed so dangerous a burden vpon men if Christ had not giuen this precept to them as he did concerning the other sacraments baptisme excepted whereof it appeareth not when or how they were expresly ordained Marke how he saith the 20. of Iohn is not the best way to proue penance by because the ordination thereof is no where expressed in the Scripture that the Iesuites haue good reason m Bellar. de effect sacram c. 25. to be contented with the testimonie of the Tridentine Councell albeit they haue no other and to feare lest if the authoritie thereof be taken away their whole Christian faith he called in question For I assure the Reader that afore this Councell which was but fiftie yeares since the sacrament of penance was neuer knowne where it was ordained though as learned Papists had the matter in hammering as any were at Trent as I will precisely make demonstration 8 For one sort of them n Glo. de poenit d. 5. in poenitentia Panor omnes vtriusque de poenit remiss the Canonists especially thinke it was taken vp by a custome or tradition of the Church and not by any authoritie of the Scripture And those Schoole-men also incline to this opinion o Alexan. 4. q. 8. m 2 art 1. q. 17. m. 3. art 2. Bonauent quē refert Fr. Ouād 4. d. 16. pro. 2. that haue written how Christ ordained it not The second opinion is that it was ordained by God and so is de iure diuino But by what authoritie was it made knowne and propounded to vs p Rosell verb. confessio 2. n 1. Orbell 4. d. 17. q 1. Some say by tradition without any Scripture Scotus q 4. d. 17. qu. 1. Idem Iansen concord c. 147. writeth that either we must hold it to haue bene published by the Gospell or if that be not sufficient it must be said that it is a positiue law published by Christ to his Apostles by thē to the Church without any Scripture as the Church holdeth many other things reuealed vnto her by word of mouth without all Scripture And Peresius r De tradit part 3. consid 3 saith the naked and cleare maner of this sacramentall institution touching the substance and circumstances thereof standeth onely vpon diuine tradition which the holy martyr Clemens reuealed from the minde of Saint Peter whom he dayly heard But others say it is contained in the Scripture written but they are not agreed where and therefore let it be enquired where it is written Some say in the old and new Testament both For Galatinus ſ De Arcan l. 10 c. 3 saith the Iewes had confession And Waldensis t Tom. 2. c. 140. writeth that Christ commanded it not but confirmed and supplied the ancient custome thereof vsed in the old law Neuerthelesse others denie this and say Christ appointed it in the new Testament But in what place I maruell The Iesuite following u Sess 6. c. 14. 14. c 1. the Tridentine Councell and x Bell. Suarez Greg. Valent. Baron in places where they handle this question the Iesuites saith In the 20. of Iohn y Antididagm Colon. p. 108. Others say the 16. and 18. of Matthew when Christ gaue the keyes z Dom. Soto quem refert Ouand 4. d. 16. pro. 15. Others say at his last supper when he ordained the Eucharist a Armachan q. Armen l 11. c. 14 Others Luk. 6. and Mark 3. when he created his Apostles b Tho. 3. part q. 84. part 7. Sent. 4. d. 22. q. 2 art 3. ad 3. §. Ad 3. quaestion Others thinke it was not ordained all at once but by parts and at seuerall times the which opinion Victoria c Relect. 1. sect 5. n. 10. thinketh the most probable for he saith the Doctors agree not touching the time when Christ gaue the keys there is no certaintie but onely that they had them All this excludeth the 20. of Iohn 9 By all which the Reader may see what an vncertaine deuice the sacrament of Popish Penance is whose institution cannot be found and he may iudge to what small purpose the Iesuite alledgeth Scripture when his owne side is so variable and vncertaine touching the same and can agree vpon no Scripture in the present controuersie that should infallibly decide it among themselues § 59. Or if it should please God to send any one in an extraordinary manner it appertaineth to his prouidence to furnish him with the gift of miracles as he did our Sauiour Christ or some such euident token that it may be plainly knowne he is assuredly sent of God otherwise the people should not be bound to beleeue him but might without sinne reiect his doctrine and teaching according as our Sauiour said of himselfe Ioh. 10. Si non facio opera Patris mei nolite credere mihi And Ioh. 15. Si non fecissem opera in eis quae nemo alius fecit peccatum non haberent If I had not done workes among them that no other hath done they should not haue sinned to wit in not beleeuing Nay vnlesse there were some euident token of this extraordinary mission as there is none such in these new men the people should now an ordinary course being set downe by our Sauiour as I haue proued sinne in beleeuing any that shall come and tell them that he is extraordinarily sent of God if hee teach contrary to the doctrine that by ordinary Doctors and Pastors is vniuersally taught though it should happen the liues of those Pastors should at any time not be so commendable or be euidently bad still remembring that saying of our Sauiour Super Cathedram Mosis sederunt Scribae Pharisaei omnia ergo quaecunque dixerint vobis seruate facite secundum verò opera eorum nolite facere Mat. 23.1 Considering that also of Saint Paul Gal. 1. Si quis vobis euangelizauerit praeter id quod accepistis anathema sit Let him be accursed So that since the people hath receiued from their ordinary Pastors that doctrine which hath descended by tradition from hand to hand from Christ and his Apostles themselues according to that of Saint Austin lib. 2. contra Iulian Quod inuenerunt in Ecclesia tenuerunt quod didicerunt docuerunt quod à patribus acceperunt hoc filijs tradiderunt That which they found in the Church they held c. whosoeuer he is that shall Euangelize any thing opposite to this whether he seeme to be an Apostle or an Angell and much more if he be another to wit one of these new men
who faile to say no more very much from Apostolike perfection and Angelical puritie of life according to Saint Paul anathema sit yea such a one as not onely bringeth not this Catholicke or generall receiued doctrine but bringeth in a new and contrary doctrine we should not according to Saint Iohn Epist 2. salute or say once Aue to him and much lesse should we giue credite to his words or vse him as a rule of our faith or preferre his teaching before the teaching of the Catholicke Church The Answer 1 And is it true that if God send any one in an extraordinary maner it appertaineth to his prouidence to furnish him with miracles or the people should not be bound to beleeue him How is it then said of Iohn Baptist a Ioh. 10 41. that was thus sent that he did no miracle yet all things that he spake of Christ were true And what will the Iesuite say to his b Boz sign eccl l. 18. c. 1. Baro an 34. n. 274. masters that so ridiculously haue put it in print that albeit in the Acts of the Apostles it be said that signes and wonders were done by the Apostles yet there is no signe reported that was done by any but by Peter the rest of the Apostles therefore either did none at all or almost none and very slender in comparison of those which Peter did And as the fathers say Iohn Baptist did no miracles lest any thing should be diminished from Christs authoritie so may it be said of Christs vicar Peter A grosse and a greasie conceit and swimming with blasphemie yet the Iesuite must sup it off because so skilfull clearks haue giuen it him but when he hath done good reason he recant his present assertion and bind not the Protestants to that which the Apostles themselues wanted in a manner all but Peter It is incredible how scurrilously the Papists behaue themselues in this point of miracles c Staph. apol part 1. Hosius confess Polon c. 92. Not one of these new Gospellers was euer able so much as to cure a lame colt or a halting bitch and yet when they will flatter the Pope they shame not to write that all the Apostles did as little 2 But I will answer the Iesuite directly to the point that ordinarily it appertaineth to Gods prouidence to furnish with miracles such as rise vp in an extraordinarie maner whether it be to abrogate or alter the ancient doctrine of his Church as our Sauiour and his Apostles were furnished And I grant that if Luthers calling were answered by vs to be meerely extraordinarie or if he had preached against the Catholicke Church or ancient doctrine continued in all ages the Iesuite had made a good passage against vs but he did none of these things His calling was not extraordinary in that kind which reuealeth new doctrine not knowne before as Christs and the Apostles was onely the externall gouernment of the Church being corrupted and oppressed by the Papacie declining from the ancient integritie that was in the beginning he vsed that calling which he had and extraordinarily bent it to the preaching of reformation I say extraordinarily first because it was not so visibly done in those ages Next the corruptions against which he dealt were ordinarily embraced in the outward practise of the world Thirdly he vsed his calling giuen him in the Papacie to another end then they meant that gaue it him Lastly considering those times his eyes in an extraordinarie measure and maner were opened to discerne the truth and God enabled him with extraordinarie gifts In all other things which are properly extraordinarie he differed from the Apostles For neither did he reueale new doctrine nor want all vocation of men nor was taught immediatly by reuelation In which case he needed no miracles but it was sufficient for him to proue his doctrine by the Scriptures 3 Whereupon the people were bound to credite him as farre as he taught according to the Scriptures for they are a token sufficient And though our Sauiour required no man to beleeue him but vpon the euidence of his workes yet that was because his place was meerely extraordinarie which Luthers was not whom our Pastors succeeding they haue the same libertie to proue their calling by the doctrine they teach and not by miracle The ordinarie course set downe by Christ was not that which the Papacie practised but the same for substance wherein Luther came the practise of the Papacie being a corruption that incroched vpon that course against which if Luther preached he taught nothing contrarie to the ordinary doctrine of the true Church but contrarie to the Papacie that oppressed the Church Which Papacie if it could be proued to be the true Church then according to S. Paule Gal. 1 Let him be accursed that speaketh against it and as S. Iohn speaketh Epist 2 Let no man salute such a preacher or giue credit to him 4 Let our aduersaries therefore take notice of their errors in this point and diligently marke where they lye First they assume their Papacie to be the ancient Church and the doctrine thereof to be the faith holden taught and alway deliuered in the same which is false confuted Then they assume againe that all mē preaching against this their Papacie preach against the Church and so consequently are not to be credited vnlesse they haue the gift of miracles Thirdly they inferre vpon this that therefore all our Pastors are vnlawfull The which conclusion standing vpon so weake grounds can be of no more credit then the grounds are whereupon it standeth all which I haue shewed to be false in their owne places where they were to be handled Let them proue theirs to be the Church and shew that what Luther taught against them he taught against the Church and then it will be true that no man should preferre his teaching before them and not before Beside we make not our Pastors the rule of our faith but ground our selues them on the Scripture which is the rule § 60. And surely me thinkes though there were none of these euident proofes which I haue brought out of Scripture yet euen reason it selfe would teach that we ought to giue more credit to the vniuersall company of Catholickes which haue bene in all times and are spread ouer the Christian world in all places then to any one priuate man or some few his fellowes It is a prouerbe common among all men Vex populi est vox Dei that which all men say must needes be true And contrariwise to a particular man or his priuate company that will oppose themselues against this generall voice of all men like Ismael of whom it is said Manus eius contra omnes manus omnium contra eum Gen. 16. it may well be obiected which Luther confesseth was obiected to himselfe by his owne conscience or rather principally by the mercy and grace of God almighty seeking to reclaime him while
there was any hope from his errors Num tu solus sapu Art thou onely wise The Answer 1 The Protestants will readily yeeld that we ought to giue more credit to the vniuersall company of Catholickes that haue bin in all times spread ouer the world in all places then to one priuate man or some few his fellowes as the Iesuite requireth but when they haue done they will tell him again that he and his faction is not that company nor Luther and themselues those priuate men I grant the Papacy was spread ouer the world as the frogs were spread ouer all Egypt and the multitudes great that followed it but the Catholicke company is not defined by that as Luther and we are not proued to be priuate men either because we were but a few or because we stood opposed to the Church of Rome 2 But the next point is false Vox populi est vox Dei It should be Vox populi Dei est vox Dei but then the Iesuite will be troubled to assure vs that he and his people are this populus Dei They are a Apoc. 17.15 populus turbae gentes linguae But that will do them no good maruell if it condemne them not But yet he hath englished his vox populi false For all men say it not that Papistry is the truth but as I haue shewed in all ages many haue misliked it and at this day do and most heauily complained vnder the burthen of it and long wished for the reformation that God wrought in Luthers time Who opposed himselfe I grant against many but not against all in his time and much lesse against the generall voice of ancient times which saw not the Papacy And the obiectiō mētioned by Luther to haue bene made vnto him in his minde when he began against the Pope was not any worke of Gods spirit to reclaime him from his error which was none but it was the temptation of the flesh that set before his eyes what iudgement the world would giue of his doings which alwaies pleadeth for the multitude and stumbleth at the litle flocke of Christ The which thought his heart apprehending but not following his case was all one with b Exod. 4.1.10 Moses c Ier. 1.6 and Ieremie that were not a little troubled when God would send them so few against so great multitudes Luther wanted neither the diuel nor men to hinder him § 61. Luthers words be these Praefat. de abroganda Missa priuata ad fratres August ord in Coenob Wittenberg Quoties mihi palpitauit tremulū cor reprehendens obiecit fortissimum illud argumentum Tu solus sapis Totne errant vniuersi Tot secula ignorauerunt Quid si tu erres tot tecum in errorem trahis damnandos aeternaliter How often said he did my trembling heart pant and reprehēding me did obiect that most strong forcible argument Art thou alone wise Haue there so many vniuersally erred Haue so many ages bene blind liued in ignorance What rather if thou thy selfe erre and drawest so many after thee into errors who for this cause shall be damned eternally This did almightie God obiect to Luther and this may well be obiected to anie priuate man or anie few that leauing the Kings streete or beaten way of the Catholike Church will seeke out a by-path as being in their conceit a better and easier and more direct way to heauen to them I say may be said Are you onely wise Are all the rest in all former ages fooles Haue you onely after so many hundred yeares after Christ found out the true faith and the right way to heauen Haue all the rest liued in blindnesse darknesse and errors And consequently are you onely them that please God and shall be saued Sine fide impossibile est placere Deo Without the right faith it is vnpossible to please God Heb. 11. And were all the rest so many millions of our forefathers and ancestors manie of which were most innocent and vertuous liuers and some of which shed their bloud for Christ his sake were I say all those hated of God And did all those perish Were all those damned Shall all these endure vnspeakeable torments in hell for euer O impious cruell and incredible assertion The Answer 1 Luthers words alledged were nothing else but a suggestion wherby Satan laboured to hold him still in ignorance by putting feare into his heart when he should consider the generality and antiquitie of the errors against which he was to deale and the poore conceit that the world ouergrowen with the said errors would haue of him d Ier. 20 7. So said Ieremy O God thou hast deceiued me and I am deceiued Thou art stronger then I and hast preuailed against me I am in derision all day long and the whole people mocketh me The which to be the sence of his words appeareth by looking into the place And if Luther had not apprehended the motion in this sence it had bene small discretion for him to reueale it Besides there is nothing in the words sufficient to induce any man of reasonable vnderstanding to Papistry which is a certaine token that Gods spirit did not suggest thē to draw him thereunto For if the Papacy were the truth God would moue men therunto by such reasons as were effectuall Here is the argument e Symmach relat apud Prud. Ambr. that the Pagans vsed in defence of their Idolatrie word for word If long continuance may bring authoritie to religions our faith made to so many ages must be obserued and let vs follow our forefathers who so happily haue followed theirs but who seeth not the weakenesse of such kinde of reasoning 2 Moreouer supposing that which the Iesuite saith might be obiected to priuate men leauing the beaten way of the Catholicke Church to seeke out a by-path of their owne yet we deny the Papacy to haue bin that beaten way or the religion of the Protestants any by-path It was I grant much troden bare worn with trauell but let all Papists take heed of that and be well aduised who were the trauellers f Mat. 7.13 For wide is the gate and spacious is the way that leadeth to destruction and many there be that go it Other high way then this we haue forsakē none But whē the Church of Rome led men out of that way wherein Christ and his Apostles walked the whole Primitiue Church after them into a new way of her owne so craftily misleading them that few in comparison saw the error the rest whom God directed had good reason to call them backe againe into the true way of the Church which though it were much growen vp and made difficult for want of vse yet was it the old way still for all that wherinto God himselfe calleth men g Ier. 6.16 Stand by the waies behold and see and aske for the old paths which is the good way and walke
thence haue giuen testimony to vs who remain behinde that they are safely arriued there you I say are vnwise that will leaue this way to aduenture the liues not of your bodies but of your soules in a path found out by your selues neuer tracked before In which whosoeuer haue gone yet God knoweth what is become of them since we neuer had letter or miracle or euident token or any word from them to assure vs that they passed safely that way I may account you most vnwise men that will aduenture such a pretious iewell as your soule is to be transported by such an vncertaine and most dangerous way I must needs think that since there is but one way and that the way of the Catholike Church is a sure and approued way you are very vnwise that leaue it The Answer 1 They are vnwise that leaue the way of the Catholicke Church they are no wiser but the very same that follow the way of the Romane Church the reason is because the Roman is not the Catholick Church And therfore we that haue left it and the waies thereof that we might trauell towards the heauenly Ierusalem reioyce in the goodnesse of God that hath called vs to this mercy and daily craue of his heauenly maiestie that he will continue vs therein to our liues end though Papists cal vs to follow them Whose miracles as a Digress 44. I haue shewed giue no testimony that any man in the Popish religion euer came to heauen The miracles of Christ and of his Apostles and of the Primitiue Church belong not to them but vs in that our faith is the same that theirs was that did them The rest contained in the Legends and Indian Newes which are all that Papists can properly challenge are the delusions of Satan and forgeries of men And so the diuell and the Frier playing the Carriers loded their packe-horse with such stuffe and because the Pope paied them well for the deuice they made silly Papists such as the Iesuite is beleeue they came from their friends in heauen This therefore is no sure way to finde the truth vnlesse it be certain that these miracles were sent indeed and then as certaine that they which sent them died in the present Popish religion 2 As for our selues we are not so destitute of letters and tokens as the Iesuite pretendeth sent vs not from men that are departed but from God that gaue them entertainment whose certificate to vs is b 2. Pet. 1 1◠more worth then all the miracles of the world because he sent it vs by his owne Sonne that best could tell who arriued in his fathers house And these letters are the Scriptures God our King c Hom. 39. saith Macarius hath sent the diuine Scriptures as it were letters vnto vs. And Saint Austin saith d Enarr Psal 90. conc 2. These are the letters which are come to vs frō that Citie whither like Pilgrims we are trauelling So that as long as by these Scriptures we can iustifie our faith we haue letters from heauen sufficient to assure vs that all which embrace and obey the faith we professe are safely arriued in the kingdome of heauen This is the reason why the Pope forbiddeth his people the reading of them lest thereby they should know so much and knowing it should forsake him and his lying miracles § 63. I must thinke that since the Catholicke Church is as I haue proued the light of the world and rule of faith the pillar and ground of the truth that you leauing it leaue the light and therefore walke in darkenesse forsaking the true faith and therefore are misled in the mist of incredulity into the wildernesse of misbeliefe Finally hauing lost the sure ground of truth fall into the ditch of many absurdities must needs be drowned in the pit of innumerable errors And erring thus from the way the veritie the life which is Christ residing according to his promise in the Catholicke Church must needs vnlesse you will returne to the secure way of the same Catholicke Church incurre your owne perdition death and endlesse damnation of body and soule from the which sweet Iesus deliuer vs all to the honour and perpetuall praise of his name Amen Laus Deo beatae virgini Mariae The Answer 1 The Church of Rome is not the Catholike Church but the seate of Antichrist and therfore what danger soeuer there be in forsaking the Catholicke yet there is none in refusing the Romane Church Nay t 2. Cor. 6.17 Apoc. 18.4 all such as will be saued must forsake it And they that will abide therein shall find by experience at the last that all the inconueniences which the Iesuite saith belong to such as leaue the Catholicke Church will fall vpon them And therefore blessed be God the Father of lights who hath restored among vs the publicke ministery of the Gospel for the calling of his people out of the damned errors of the Romane Sea into his owne Church And let the earth reioyce and euery child of God therein and giue him thankes who hath made the light of his Church to breake out when the tyranny of the Church of Rome had thought to haue smothered it in eternall darkenesse and with the innumerable errors that it bred to haue seduced misled and drowned it for euer wherby mankinde should haue incurred perdition death and endlesse damnation of body and soule And let my deare countrimen know among whom vnto whom I write these things and for whose sake I will expose my selfe to the vndiscreet fury of seducers and many seduced refusing no paines or dutie that may tend to the enlightning of their conscience and confirming of the vndoubted faith of Iesus Christ wherof I am called to be the meanest preacher that liueth among them LET THEM I SAY AND ALL THE PEOPLE OF OVR LAND WHOM THESE HAPPY DAIES HAVE RECLAIMED FROM THE CHVRCH OF ROME COVNT THIS THEIR CHIEFEST HAPPINES AND WE ARE IT AS THEIR CROWNE that God hath thus made them partakers of his Gospell when the other side euen vnder their eyes lie plunged in ignorance of mind error of faith and vilenesse of conuersation so horrible and prodigious that it needeth teares to bewaile it rather then a pen to report it In recompence wherof let them be CONSTANT AND FAITHFVLL to the end and continue in the things that they haue learned making no question but our faith which could bring so visible a reformation of manners into our countrey so certaine knowledge so vnspeakeable comfort into our minde which could bring the light of Gods owne word the maiesty of elder times the reuerent countenance of the first antiquitie and the perpetuall testimony of our aduersaries themselues for her iustification wil saue their soules if they will obey it For want of which obedience they may and shall perish eternally when the faith it selfe is in no fault And let them LABOVR WITH LOVE AND
Papists as deepe in breaking fasting daies as the Protestants ibid Fasting was an indifferent ceremonie in the Primitiue Church ibid. Lent fast was holden diuersly ibid. Fathers and Doctors are not the rule of faith 23.1 They may erre ibid. The Papists boast that the Fathers are on their side 44.4 They had their errors 44.5 We are not bound to euerie thing that they haue said but may sometime lawfully dissent from them 44.7 The Papists themselues do it ibid. The state of the question touching the authoritie of the Fathers 44.8 Who the Papists meane by the Fathers nu 9. What they meane by all the Fathers consenting in one nu 10. The Pope vshers the Fathers nu 11. The practise of the Papists in reiecting the Fathers nu 11. 12. Forefathers how farre forth to be followed 61.2 What is to be thought touching our forefathers that liued and died in the times of Papistrie 6â— 4 Freewill denied by Papists 35.20 All the questions touching freewil laid downe in order as they rise with their true states Digress 42. The want of freewill debarreth not consultation 40.48 How it is reconciled with Gods praedestination nu 45. What freewill is and wherein it standeth nu 54. Free-will in naturall and ciuil things expounded nu 55. No freewill in spirituall things till grace come nu 56. The Papists doctrine to the contrarie nu 57. Some learned men in the Church of Rome thinke freewil to be Pelagianisme nu 61. The will of man concurreth not with Gods grace in vprising from sinne nu 64. The Papists doctrine to the contrarie nu 64. The efficacie of grace dependeth not on our will ibid. What freewill man hath when he is regenerate nu 65. Frier how defined by Lincolniensis 50.32 G. GOd not the author of sinne 40.50 See Author of sinne Good works necessarie to saluation Digress 34. They are to be excluded out of our justification but not out of our sanctification ibid. They merit not Digress 35. The Protestants do not say Good works are sinne Digress 37. Grace The Papists meaning expounded when they say Mans wil without grace can do nothing 40.57 The Papists teach that a man of himselfe can do good before any grace come ibid. Man cannot dispose himselfe it is grace that doth it 40.63 What that is that maketh grace effectuall 40.64 A man may infallibly know if he be in grace Digress 43. Greeks They haue as good outward succession as the Romish Church hath 55.2 Gropper the Cardinall A storie of him 55.7 H. HIerome of Prague a good man Holinesse no note of the Church 43.1 The holinesse of the Romane Church disproued 38.1 The places of Luther and Smidelin answered that are obiected against the holinesse of the Protestant Churches 38.2 The holinesse of the Protestants doctrine is iustified 40. ad 49. What holinesse the Protestants lay they haue 41.1 Complaints made by Papists against the vnholinesse of their own Church Digress 31. A man may infallibly know if he be truly holy 41.3 and Digress 43. Honorius a Pope that was an heretick 36.34 In that cause of Honorius you haue an example how the Papists denie all authorities 44.15 I IGnorance in matters of faith is commended by the Papists 2.5 Images not allowed of in ancient times and their worship forbidden 47.5 They are a new deuice 35.13 The Papists are not at one among themselues touching the first that rejected Images 50.5 Images of the Trinitie when brought in 50.11 Image worship when it was first brought in 50 1â— 51.5 The Papists are deuided among themselues touching the adoration of Images 50. 16. They worship stocks stones as the Pagans did 51.6 Imputation of Christs righteousnesse for our iustification is acknowledged by Papists 35.20 What this imputation importeth 40.41 Indies not conuerted by the Iesuites 48.2 but vtterly rooted out by cruelties vnspeakable which are touched at large Digress 50. The Protestants religion was in India afore the Papists knew them 48.3 Iudge of controuersies is the Scripture Digress 3. Papists will be iudges in their owne cause 5.7 The Pope is made iudge who is a partie 5.8 The iudge of controuersies assigned by the Papists falleth into the â—ame difficulties that are layed against the scripture 34.2 The Papists will not stand to their owne iudges 30.4 35.15 Iustification is by faith and not by works 35.14 20. Digress 40. What iustification is and how it is distinguished from sanctification 40.38 K. KEeping the commaundements See Law of God Keies giuen to the rest of the Apostles as wel as to Peter 36.12 They import not the supremacie euinced by disputation 36.16 inde Digress 30. What the keyes of the Church meane 36.18 Knowledge very commendable in the people 2.7 Great among them of the Primitiue Church ibid By what meanes the elect know and are assured of their owne saluatioÌ„ 40.39 L. LAtin prayers and seruice misliked by some Papists 35.20 against antiquitie 47.2 Law of God No mans righteousnesse can satisfie it Digr 34. No man can keepe it Digress 36. Why giuen when no man can keepe it 40.21 The Papists say absurdly that the coÌ„mandements are easie to keepe and a man may liue without sin 40.19 Lay people ought to reade the Scriptures and to haue them translated See Scriptures and Translations Lay men haue bin made Bishops 5.11 LegeÌ„d The miracles recorded therin are of no credit 42.2 Nor the Legends themselues 42.7 Lent fast not holden in the Primitiue Church as now it is 40.4 Libertie Our faith is falsly charged to be a doctrine of libertie 43.2 Luther His calling is iustified 52.5 59.2 And his writings 57.3 And his life and death against the malicious reports of the Papists Digr 57. Those reports are touched ib. M. MAriage no sacrameÌ„t 35.20 The mariage of Priests not restrained in ancient times 47.4 When the restraint began 50.10 Marks of the Church See Church Virgine Mary The Papists say the Church was in her alone when Christ died 17.3 Masse not offered by Christ at his last supper 35.20 When it began 50.14 Merits renounced by Papists 35.20 and 40.15 Merit of workes none 40.12 and 14. When that opinion began 50.13 The Papists hold it and what they meane by it 40.13 The diuers opinions that are among the Papists touching merits 40.16 Merits of Christ how farre they go by the Papists doctrine 40.13.29 Merit of congruitie what and how holden in the Church of Rome 40 62. Miracles not now needfull 12.6 Their proper vse 42.4 The time when the Church had them and the end why 41.4 The miracles that the Papists stand vpon are of no certaine credit 42.5 inde The Gentiles had as good miracles as the Church of Rome hath 42.6 The Legendaries tainted for whetstone liers 42.7 Incredible reports in the Legends and some also in the ancient fathers 42.8 Morall works what 40.59 Touching naturall freewill in things morall ibid. Monkes of ancient time not like ours of this time 41.3 and