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which_o i_o do_v not_o persuade_v you_o to_o fly_v but_o that_o you_o do_v not_o esteem_v it_o right-handed_a felicity_n as_o strange_a child_n do_v and_o therefore_o it_o be_v say_v of_o they_o dextra_fw-la corum_fw-la dextra_fw-la iniquitatis_fw-la their_o right_a hand_n be_v the_o right_a hand_n of_o iniquity_n for_o that_o they_o place_v on_o their_o right_a hand_n that_o which_o they_o shall_v have_v put_v on_o the_o left_a etc._n etc._n and_o then_o final_o come_v to_o the_o conclusion_n of_o the_o psalm_n and_o to_o handle_v the_o check_n give_v by_o the_o holy_a ghost_n for_o this_o mistake_n and_o misname_v this_o felicity_n he_o saithe_v i_o do_v then_o reprehend_v these_o strange_a err_a child_n for_o that_o their_o daughter_n be_v fair_a their_o buttery_n full_a and_o the_o like_a sed_fw-la quare_fw-la â—os_v arguo_fw-la quia_fw-la beatum_fw-la dixerunt_fw-la populum_fw-la cui_fw-la haec_fw-la sunt_fw-la o_o lâ—qâ—entis_fw-la hominis_fw-la vanitatem_fw-la wherefore_o then_o do_v i_o reprehend_v they_o for_o that_o they_o say_v that_o the_o people_n
hearty_o &_o sincere_o i_o do_v desire_v it_o without_o any_o worse_a affection_n towards_o she_o then_o hearty_a compassion_n notwithstanding_o all_o the_o outcry_n &_o rage_a exclamation_n make_v by_o this_o intemperate_a minister_n against_o i_o for_o the_o contrary_a to_o wit_n â—or_a malice_n and_o hatâ—ed_v against_o she_o and_o for_o judge_v she_o before_o the_o time_n against_o the_o prescription_n of_o the_o apostle_n s_o paul_n which_o i_o have_v not_o do_v for_o god_n judgement_n be_v secret_a &_o can_v absolute_o be_v know_v in_o particular_a before_o the_o last_o day_n when_o according_a to_o the_o scripture_n all_o shall_v be_v make_v manife_a so_o far_o as_o it_o shall_v be_v convenient_a for_o man_n to_o know_v but_o yet_o in_o this_o life_n man_n also_o may_v give_v a_o guess_n and_o take_v notice_n according_a to_o our_o present_a state_n of_o many_o thing_n how_o they_o be_v to_o fall_v out_o afterward_o as_o s._n paul_n do_v often_o repeat_v and_o affirm_v most_o resolut_o that_o such_o as_o shall_v commit_v such_o and_o such_o delict_n as_o he_o there_o recount_v shall_v never_o attain_v to_o the_o kingdom_n of_o heaven_n but_o be_v damn_v eternal_o according_a to_o their_o work_n death_n as_o loose_a life_n murder_n fornication_n adulterye_n sect_n schism_n heresy_n and_o the_o like_a and_o if_o one_o shall_v see_v or_o know_v some_o person_n to_o commit_v all_o these_o sin_n together_o or_o the_o most_o of_o they_o &_o so_o die_v without_o contrition_n or_o penance_n for_o the_o same_o to_o his_o knowledge_n may_v not_o he_o by_o good_a warrant_n of_o s._n paul_n affirm_v that_o in_o his_o opinion_n they_o be_v damn_v nay_o do_v not_o s._n paul_n give_v this_o express_a liberty_n of_o judge_v to_o his_o scholar_n timothy_n &_o by_o he_o to_o we_o when_o he_o say_v as_o before_o also_o have_v be_v note_v quorumdam_fw-la hominum_fw-la peccata_fw-la maniâ—â—sta_fw-la sunt_fw-la praecedentia_fw-la ad_fw-la iudicium_fw-la quosdam_fw-la autem_fw-la subsequentur_fw-la 5._o the_o sin_n of_o some_o man_n be_v manifest_a go_v before_o they_o unto_o judgement_n and_o other_o have_v their_o sin_n follow_v they_o so_o as_o iâ—_n either_o before_o their_o death_n or_o after_o their_o death_n when_o the_o particular_a judgement_n of_o every_o soul_n be_v to_o be_v make_v any_o man_n grievous_a sin_n be_v make_v manifest_a there_o be_v no_o doubt_n but_o that_o man_n may_v judge_v also_o in_o a_o certain_a sort_n or_o at_o least_o make_v to_o themselves_o a_o very_a probable_a and_o likely_a conjecture_n of_o the_o miserable_a state_n of_o that_o party_n yea_o more_o they_o a_o conjecture_n if_o the_o church_n shall_v censure_v he_o for_o any_o great_a sin_n committedâ—_n &_o dâ—ing_v afterwards_o in_o the_o same_o without_o due_a repentance_n which_o be_v wont_a to_o be_v declare_v by_o deny_v unto_o he_o christian_a burial_n as_o when_o they_o murder_v themselves_o &_o the_o like_a but_o above_o all_o when_o the_o say_a church_n do_v cut_v of_o any_o body_n by_o excommunication_n from_o be_v any_o more_o a_o member_n thereof_o for_o schism_n heresy_n or_o other_o offence_n of_o this_o quality_n a_o man_n may_v make_v judgement_n of_o his_o damnation_n yea_o must_v also_o for_o than_o be_v he_o in_o the_o case_n who_o s._n paul_n affirm_v to_o be_v sâ—buersum_fw-la herâ—sie_n subvert_v by_o heresy_n that_o be_v as_o much_o to_o say_v turn_v upside_o down_o or_o pluck_v up_o by_o the_o root_n &_o proprio_fw-la iudicio_fw-la condemnatum_fw-la condemn_v not_o only_o by_o the_o judgement_n of_o the_o church_n but_o also_o by_o his_o own_o judgement_n in_o like_a manner_n when_o he_o come_v to_o answer_v the_o matter_n for_o that_o be_v bind_v to_o follow_v the_o direction_n of_o the_o church_n he_o become_v haeretiâ—us_fw-la homo_fw-la as_o the_o apostle_n word_n be_v that_o be_v to_o say_v a_o heretical_a man_n one_o that_o out_o of_o choice_n or_o election_n will_v neâ—des_o follow_v his_o own_o judgement_n this_o point_n then_o that_o a_o man_n or_o woman_n die_v in_o the_o excommunication_n of_o the_o know_v catholic_a church_n may_v be_v pronounce_v to_o be_v damn_v and_o can_v possible_o be_v save_v albeit_o their_o life_n be_v otherwise_o never_o so_o good_a and_o apparent_a holy_a be_v a_o thing_n so_o general_o earnest_o and_o resolute_o affirm_v and_o incultate_v by_o the_o ancient_a father_n of_o the_o primitive_a church_n that_o no_o man_n can_v doubt_v of_o it_o without_o pertinacity_n or_o impiety_n for_o s._n cyprian_a that_o holy_a bishop_n and_o martyr_n do_v treat_v the_o same_o large_o in_o diverse_a place_n say_v first_o that_o a_o heretic_n or_o schismatic_n that_o be_v out_o of_o the_o church_n can_v be_v save_v 〈…〉_z though_o he_o shall_v shed_v his_o blood_n for_o christ_n inexpiabilis_fw-la culpa_fw-la quae_fw-la nec_fw-la passione_n purgatur_fw-la it_o be_v a_o inexpiable_a sin_n to_o be_v a_o heretic_n or_o schismatic_n that_o be_v to_o say_v not_o ever_o to_o be_v forgive_v nor_o can_v it_o be_v purge_v by_o suffer_v for_o christ_n himself_o and_o again_o he_o say_v church_n that_o such_o a_o man_n can_v never_o be_v a_o martyr_n though_o he_o shall_v die_v for_o christ_n nor_o yet_o receive_v any_o crown_n for_o confession_n of_o christian_a faith_n even_o unto_o death_n which_o death_n say_v he_o non_fw-la erit_fw-la â—idâ—i_fw-la corona_fw-la sed_fw-la poena_fw-la 〈◊〉_d it_o shall_v not_o be_v a_o crown_n of_o faith_n but_o a_o punishment_n oâ—_n perâ—idiousnes_n and_o many_o other_o like_o place_n and_o saying_n he_o have_v which_o for_o brevity_n i_o omit_v wherein_o also_o do_v coacurre_v with_o he_o the_o other_o ancient_a father_n that_o ensue_v after_o and_o namely_o s._n augustine_n in_o many_o part_n of_o his_o workeâ—_n 17._o in_o particular_a where_o he_o say_v against_o the_o donatist_n that_o neither_o baptism_n nor_o martyrdom_n profit_v a_o heretic_n any_o thing_n at_o all_o which_o he_o repeat_v oâ—ten_v time_n and_o in_o another_o place_n he_o say_v if_o thou_o be_v out_o oâ—_n the_o church_n thou_o shall_v be_v punish_v â—ith_o eternal_a pain_n although_o thou_o shall_v be_v burn_v quick_a for_o the_o name_n of_o châ—ist_n donatâ—_n and_o yet_o again_o the_o same_o father_n heretic_n dâ—_n sometime_o brag_v that_o they_o do_v give_v much_o alm_n to_o the_o poor_a and_o do_v suâ—â—er_o much_o for_o truth_n but_o this_o be_v not_o for_o châ—ist_v buâ—â—or_a their_o sect._n â—â—oke_v for_o who_o thou_o suffer_v quia_fw-la for_o as_o miâ—â—us_a es_fw-mi ideo_fw-la miser_n es_fw-la â—or_a that_o thou_o be_v cast_v forth_o of_o the_o communion_n of_o the_o church_n therefore_o be_v thou_o miserable_a whatsoever_o thou_o do_v or_o suffer_v otherwise_o for_o harken_v to_o the_o apostle_n say_v to_o himself_o iâ—_n i_o shall_v give_v all_o that_o i_o have_v to_o the_o poor_a and_o deliver_v my_o body_n to_o the_o â—ire_n without_o charity_n i_o be_o nothing_o he_o that_o be_v out_o of_o the_o church_n live_v out_o of_o chariâ—y_n and_o let_v the_o reader_n see_v more_o of_o this_o in_o s._n aâ—gusâ—ine_n serm._n domini_fw-la in_o mome_n cap._n 9_o &_o lib._n 2._o contra_fw-la petilianum_fw-la donatist_n cap._n 98._o lib._n 1._o contra_fw-la gaudâ—ntium_fw-la cap._n 33._o &_o in_o conc._n de_fw-fr gâ—stis_fw-la cum_fw-la emeâ—â—â—o_fw-la where_o he_o have_v these_o word_n augustine_n iâ—_n unto_o a_o heretic_n that_o be_v out_o oâ—_n tâ—â—_n church_n it_o shall_v be_v say_v by_o a_o enemy_n of_o christ_n offâ—r_v up_o sacrifice_n to_o my_o idol_n and_o adore_v my_o god_n and_o he_o in_o refuse_v to_o adore_v shall_v be_v put_v to_o death_n by_o the_o say_a enemy_n of_o christ_n for_o this_o fact_n yet_o shall_v â—â—le_v damn_v and_o not_o crown_v i_o pretermit_v in_o this_o matter_n s._n chrysostome_n hom_n 11._o in_o â—â—ist_n ad_fw-la eâ—â—es_fw-la s._n pacianus_n bishop_n of_o barcelona_n that_o live_v somewhat_o beâ—ore_v he_o epist._n 2._o ad_fw-la sâ—mpronium_n s._n 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