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A62556 A treatise of the nature of Catholick faith and heresie with reflexion upon the nullitie of the English Protestant church and clergy / by N.N. Talbot, Peter, 1620-1680. 1657 (1657) Wing T119; ESTC R38283 71,413 104

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though_o the_o church_n can_v not_o its_o testimony_n ought_v to_o be_v believe_v many_o clown_n who_o unanimous_o say_v they_o have_v see_v a_o eclyps_n or_o extravagant_a inundation_n of_o the_o sea_n deserve_v credit_n though_o they_o be_v no_o philosopher_n or_o mathematician_n and_o consequent_o can_v not_o give_v any_o clear_a reason_n of_o a_o eclyp_v etc._n etc._n therefore_o the_o testimony_n of_o catholic_n ought_v not_o to_o be_v reject_v concern_v transubstantiation_n or_o any_o other_o mystery_n though_o they_o can_v not_o give_v clear_a reason_n for_o it_o it_o be_v enough_o for_o they_o to_o recurre_v to_o god_n omnipotency_n 7_o but_o how_o say_a protestant_n can_v we_o be_v call_v heretic_n or_o obstinate_a if_o we_o be_v content_a to_o submit_v our_o judgement_n and_o believe_v what_o be_v sufficient_o propose_v as_o god_n revelation_n we_o only_o deny_v that_o the_o roman_a church_n do_v propose_v sufficient_o as_o god_n revelation_n their_o decree_n in_o the_o counsel_n of_o trent_n and_o lateran_n etc._n etc._n to_o this_o i_o have_v answer_v in_o the_o three_o chap._n and_o now_o again_o do_v affirm_v that_o there_o be_v no_o prince_n who_o do_v propose_v his_o command_n and_o sense_n concern_v any_o matter_n more_o sufficient_o by_o his_o subordinate_a minister_n than_o god_n do_v his_o word_n and_o sense_n of_o scripture_n by_o the_o roman_a church_n because_o there_o have_v not_o be_v only_o a_o continual_a succession_n of_o this_o doctrine_n we_o profess_v from_o the_o primitive_a church_n to_o this_o present_a which_o neither_o the_o greek_a church_n 9_o see_v chap._n 9_o nor_o any_o other_o can_v pretend_v to_o have_v change_v the_o doctrine_n of_o faith_n more_o than_o once_o but_o because_o there_o do_v appear_v such_o evident_a sign_n of_o the_o roman_a church_n be_v appoint_v by_o god_n to_o declare_v to_o all_o the_o world_n the_o true_a faith_n and_o sense_n of_o scripture_n that_o it_o must_v be_v obstinacy_n in_o the_o high_a degree_n to_o doubt_v of_o the_o sufficiency_n of_o the_o roman_a church_n proposal_n and_o testimony_n first_o the_o conversion_n of_o nation_n by_o roman_a catholic_n in_o all_o part_n of_o the_o world_n be_v evident_a second_o no_o other_o church_n do_v pretend_v to_o miracle_n but_o we_o alone_o three_o we_o hear_v of_o no_o eminent_a sanctity_n confirm_v by_o prophecy_n and_o other_o supernatural_a sign_n in_o any_o church_n but_o in_o we_o four_o there_o be_v no_o unity_n peace_n or_o end_n of_o controversy_n but_o among_o we_o all_o submit_v our_o judgement_n in_o matter_n of_o faith_n to_o any_o general_a council_n approve_v by_o the_o pope_n five_o no_o church_n have_v continual_a tradition_n and_o succession_n of_o doctrine_n but_o we_o roman_a catholic_n 8_o all_o these_o sign_n be_v mark_n of_o the_o true_a catholic_n church_n and_o be_v so_o obvious_a to_o our_o sense_n that_o idiot_n may_v take_v notice_n of_o they_o if_o they_o will_v but_o inquire_v and_o spend_v as_o much_o time_n in_o that_o as_o in_o read_v the_o history_n of_o their_o own_o country_n or_o of_o inform_v themselves_o of_o their_o ancestor_n this_o be_v the_o true_a reason_n why_o no_o protestant_n can_v pretend_v ignorance_n of_o the_o true_a church_n nor_o rely_v upon_o the_o word_n of_o their_o minister_n if_o they_o inquire_v not_o they_o will_v be_v damn_v for_o be_v ignorant_a if_o after_o due_a inquiry_n make_v they_o become_v not_o roman_a catholic_n they_o will_v be_v damn_v for_o heresy_n not_o only_o for_o deny_v the_o truth_n of_o our_o doctrine_n and_o faith_n but_o also_o the_o sufficiency_n of_o its_o proposal_n he_o be_v a_o rebel_n who_o deny_v that_o the_o accustom_a exterior_a sign_n of_o the_o prince_n commission_n and_o authority_n which_o be_v see_v in_o his_o officer_n be_v not_o a_o sufficient_a proposal_n of_o his_o will_n and_o pleasure_n to_o have_v the_o say_v officer_n obey_v as_o his_o judge_n or_o deputy_n etc._n etc._n i_o see_v no_o reason_n why_o the_o same_o ought_v not_o to_o be_v grate_v with_o proportion_n in_o our_o case_n unless_o protestant_n think_v that_o prince_n ought_v to_o be_v more_o respect_v in_o their_o minister_n than_o god_n in_o his_o church_n or_o that_o there_o be_v great_a evidence_n require_v to_o believe_v that_o god_n do_v speak_v by_o his_o church_n then_o to_o believe_v that_o prince_n do_v speak_v by_o their_o subordinate_a minister_n true_o though_o this_o great_a evidence_n be_v require_v protestant_n can_v have_v no_o excuse_n because_o the_o sign_n of_o the_o roman_a church_n be_v great_a evidence_n that_o it_o alone_o be_v the_o true_a one_o by_o which_o god_n declare_v and_o speak_v his_o mind_n than_o the_o sign_n of_o any_o magistrate_n in_o a_o commonwealth_n or_o kingdom_n be_v of_o the_o true_a regal_a authority_n of_o the_o say_a magistrate_n by_o which_o king_n and_o prince_n declare_v their_o mind_n to_o the_o subject_n see_v more_o in_o the_o 4._o and_o 5._o chapter_n chap._n xiii_o whether_o any_o protestant_n may_v be_v save_v 1_o though_o protestancy_n be_v heresy_n all_o protestant_n be_v not_o heretic_n there_o be_v a_o difference_n say_v saint_n austin_n between_o heretic_n and_o they_o who_o believe_v heretic_n the_o great_a wit_n may_v be_v misinform_v if_o they_o rely_v upon_o other_o man_n information_n 2_o to_o the_o question_n propose_v i_o answer_v that_o such_o protestant_n as_o never_o have_v any_o occasion_n to_o doubt_v whether_o their_o own_o religion_n be_v the_o true_a one_o may_v be_v save_v if_o they_o never_o commit_v a_o mortal_a sin_n because_o they_o be_v baptize_v and_o die_v in_o the_o grace_n of_o god_n which_o they_o receive_v in_o the_o baptism_n now_o whether_o there_o be_v any_o protestant_n who_o never_o commit_v a_o mortal_a sin_n the_o lord_n know_v this_o i_o be_o sure_a of_o that_o there_o be_v very_o few_o in_o any_o part_n of_o the_o world_n who_o have_v not_o great_a reason_n and_o many_o occasion_n to_o doubt_v of_o their_o own_o religion_n because_o among_o they_o or_o near_o unto_o the_o place_n where_o they_o live_v there_o be_v catholic_n who_o as_o christian_n and_o true_a friend_n advertise_v they_o of_o the_o falsehood_n and_o novelty_n of_o their_o sect._n and_o though_o the_o protestant_a minister_n assure_v they_o that_o they_o be_v in_o a_o safe_a way_n of_o salvation_n when_o other_o as_o honest_a and_o learned_a as_o the_o minister_n tell_v they_o the_o contrary_a they_o be_v bind_v under_o pain_n of_o damnation_n at_o least_o to_o examine_v the_o truth_n and_o ground_n of_o both_o religion_n according_a their_o capacity_n and_o possibility_n which_o if_o they_o do_v sincere_o that_o be_v setting_z aside_o all_o regard_n of_o honour_n interest_n conveniency_n and_o all_o other_o temporal_a affection_n which_o obstruct_v the_o understanding_n god_n in_o his_o providence_n will_v give_v they_o knowledge_n of_o the_o truth_n and_o resolution_n to_o embrace_v it_o 3_o but_o in_o case_n protestant_n contemn_v the_o charitable_a warning_n give_v they_o by_o catholic_n of_o the_o schism_n and_o heresy_n wherein_o they_o be_v involve_v and_o neglect_v god_n inspiration_n of_o examine_v the_o truth_n there_o be_v no_o question_n to_o be_v make_v that_o if_o they_o die_v in_o that_o condition_n they_o be_v damn_v because_o though_o they_o be_v bring_v up_o protestant_n they_o have_v reason_n to_o doubt_v of_o their_o religion_n see_v as_o honest_a and_o learned_a man_n as_o those_o that_o give_v they_o their_o education_n and_o instruction_n advertise_v they_o serious_o of_o their_o danger_n and_o not_o to_o examine_v whether_o the_o danger_n be_v real_a or_o not_o in_o a_o matter_n of_o so_o high_a concernment_n be_v not_o excusable_a no_o ignorance_n can_v be_v pretend_v after_o they_o be_v admonish_v by_o sober_a and_o honest_a man_n i_o conclude_v therefore_o that_o only_o such_o silly_a soul_n as_o believe_v the_o pope_n have_v horn_n and_o the_o jesuit_n cleave_v foot_n can_v be_v excuse_v by_o ignorance_n from_o damnation_n for_o not_o believe_v as_o catholic_n do_v because_o if_o any_o such_o be_v they_o be_v so_o simple_a that_o they_o believe_v all_o which_o the_o minister_n say_v as_o god_n word_n and_o that_o nothing_o ought_v to_o be_v call_v in_o question_n how_o many_o minister_n there_o be_v who_o deserve_v this_o credit_n and_o esteem_v of_o infallibility_n even_o among_o the_o least_o pry_v and_o simple_a people_n let_v their_o own_o parish_n and_o the_o world_n define_v this_o i_o dare_v say_v that_o there_o be_v few_o protestant_n who_o commit_v not_o at_o least_o one_o mortal_a sin_n and_o that_o be_v enough_o to_o damn_v they_o though_o their_o invincible_a ignorance_n as_o school_v man_n speak_v may_v excuse_v their_o want_n of_o true_a faith_n but_o the_o want_n of_o charity_n be_v as_o damnable_a as_o the_o want_n of_o faith_n and_o we_o have_v no_o reason_n