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A11503 Vindiciæ sacræ. A treatise of the honor and maintenance due to ecclesiasticall persons. Done out of the Latin, of that famous diuine of Holland, H. Saravia, sometime prebend of Canterbury.; De diversis ministrorum evangelii gradibus. Part 3. English Saravia, Adrien, 1530-1612.; Martin, James, fl. 1615-1630. 1629 (1629) STC 21752; ESTC S112329 24,696 101

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