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A04207 An attestation of many learned, godly, and famous divines, lightes of religion, and pillars of the Gospell iustifying this doctrine, viz. That the Church-governement ought to bee alwayes with the peoples free consent. Also this; that a true Church vnder the Gospell contayneth no more ordinary congregations but one. In the discourse whereof, specially Doctor Downames & also D. Bilsons chiefe matters in their writings against the same, are answered. Jacob, Henry, 1563-1624. 1613 (1613) STC 14328; ESTC S117858 154,493 335

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whole_a chapter_n to_o make_v they_o seem_v to_o signify_v a_o senate_n or_o bench_n of_o jewish_a civil_a magistrate_n which_o he_o learn_v only_o from_o a_o physician_n erastus_n but_o there_o be_v a_o sufficient_a refutation_n of_o this_o opinion_n in_o the_o three_o argument_n of_o the_o divine_a beginning_n and_o institution_n of_o christ_n true_a visib_n church_n second_o d._n bilson_n contradict_v himself_o understand_v these_o word_n of_o a_o ecclesiastical_a senate_n or_o synod_n thus_o also_o do._n downame_n understand_v they_o as_o 107.108_o as_o pa._n 107.108_o before_o we_o have_v see_v where_o be_v a_o sufficient_a answer_n likewise_o thereunto_o three_o master_n johnson_n of_o the_o separation_n since_o in_o this_o point_n he_o turn_v his_o opinion_n upside_o down_o 1611._o down_o treat_n of_o the_o exposit_n of_o mat._n 18.19_o anno._n 1611._o affirm_v that_o these_o word_n signify_v that_o the_o jewish_a form_n of_o
est_fw-la qui_fw-la ignoret_fw-la calvin_n say_v in_o this_o place_n mat._n 18.17_o 4.11.1_o 18.17_o calvin_n instit_fw-la 4.11.1_o ius_n judaici_n synedrij_fw-la transfertur_fw-la ad_fw-la christi_fw-la ●egem_fw-la and_o 4.12.7_o and_o instit._fw-la 4.12.7_o illa_fw-la est_fw-la legitima_fw-la in_o excommu●cando_fw-la homine_fw-la progressio_fw-la si_fw-la non_fw-la soli_fw-la seniores_fw-la ●orsum_fw-la id_fw-la faciant_fw-la sed_fw-la consciâ_fw-la &_o approbante_fw-la ●cclesiâ_fw-la etc._n etc._n 4.1.15_o etc._n 4.1.15_o totius_fw-la ecclesia_fw-la hac_fw-la cognitio_fw-la est_fw-la clavium_fw-la potestatem_fw-la dominus_fw-la fidelium_fw-la so●etati_fw-la contulit_fw-la 4.1.22_o contulit_fw-la 4.1.22_o and_o he_o call_v excommunication_n 11.2_o excommunication_n 11.2_o fidelium_fw-la judicium_fw-la &_o the_o excommunicate_a say_v he_o be_v 12.4_o be_v ibidem_fw-la &_o 12.4_o fidelium_fw-la ●uffragijs_fw-la damnatus_fw-la thus_o must_v these_o &_o ●ther_o worthy_a man_n of_o god_n be_v understand_v and_o not_o to_o contradict_v themselves_o beza_n also_o of_o the_o call_v of_o minister_n ●aith_o 1●_n ●aith_o bez._n confess_v 7_o 1●_n per_fw-la quod_fw-la ostium_fw-la sunt_fw-la ingress_n quis_fw-la ●os_v vocavit_fw-la etc._n etc._n vbi_fw-la electio_fw-la presbyterij_fw-la vbi_fw-la ●opuli_fw-la suffragia_fw-la by_o what_o door_n enter_v they_o who_o call_v they_o where_o be_v the_o election_n of_o ●he_n elder_n where_o be_v the_o people_n voice-giving_a by_o this_o show_v that_o he_o hold_v the_o people_n free_a consent_n to_o be_v necessary_a also_o in_o the_o make_n of_o minister_n finis_fw-la math._n 6.10_o thy_o will_v be_v do●_n a_o table_n of_o the_o chief_a matter_n contain_v in_o this_o treatise_n a._n how_o a_o true_a church_n may_v be_v accidental_o pag._n 306._o the_o angel_n of_o ephesus_n a_o precedent_n during_o life_n pag._n 237._o the_o name_n angel_n or_o apostle_n give_v in_o scripture_n to_o minister_n also_o dominus_fw-la in_o latin_a etc._n etc._n prove_v not_o that_o they_o may_v be_v call_v lord_n i●_n english_a pag._n 121._o 123._o etc._n etc._n all_o apostolic_a ordinance_n be_v divine_a &_o unchangeable_a by_o man_n pa._n 139._o 142._o the_o practice_n of_o antiquity_n for_o many_o age_n with_o us._n pag._n 53._o etc._n etc._n asia_n proper_o take_v how_o large_a pag._n 206._o comfortable_a assurance_n where_o pag._n 77._o 154._o 155._o 159._o our_o attestator_n be_v no_o browniste_n anabaptist_n schismatik_n fantastical_a fanatical_a doater_n pag._n 249._o 279._o 306._o b._n belgike_a liturgy_n and_o synod_n with_o us._n pa._n 50._o beza_n consent_v with_o we_o full_o in_o effect_n pag._n 22._o etc._n etc._n 49._o 50._o 322._o beza_n abuse_v pag._n 13._o 22._o 270._o etc._n etc._n 322._o beza_n fail_v pa._n 237._o d._n billons_n chief_a matter_n in_o his_o perp._n gov_n answer_v pag._n 99_o 107._o 108._o 110._o 112._o 116._o 120._o 121._o 132._o 143._o etc._n etc._n 146._o 148._o 239._o etc._n etc._n 250._o 261._o 276._o etc._n etc._n d._n bilsons_n contradistion_n pa._n 70._o 71._o 73._o 107._o 144._o 146._o 150._o 225._o 281._o 283._o 286._o 288._o 289._o 290._o 293._o 302._o 303._o 305._o we_o deny_v not_o bishop_n simple_o pag._n 14._o 264._o seven_o divers_a sort_n of_o bishop_n pa._n 274._o bishop_n next_o after_o the_o apostle_n differ_v from_o we_o in_o substance_n of_o their_o call_v p._n 98._o 99_o 128._o a_o bishop_n to_o a_o parish_n pag._n 32._o 104._o 213._o etc._n etc._n bohemian_a confession_n for_o us._n pag._n 48._o bucer_n for_o us._n pag._n 33._o bullinger_n for_o us._n pag._n 37._o c._n calvin_n full_o with_o us._n p._n 25._o etc._n etc._n 149._o 193._o 214._o 269._o 323._o calvin_n much_o abuse_v p._n 13._o 267._o etc._n etc._n 322._o 323._o call_v of_o minister_n must_v be_v by_o the_o congregation_n or_o else_o we_o shall_v go_v to_o wrack_n pag._n 159._o 160._o 161._o 167._o call_v of_o minister_n essential_o by_o the_o congregation_n pag._n 246._o 247._o 78._o 79._o 80._o 81._o 164._o 166._o 168._o the_o truth_n be_v not_o so_o fruitful_o defend_v where_o christ_n visible_a church_n &_o call_v to_o the_o ministry_n be_v not_o well_o clear_v pa._n 158._o 167._o circumstance_n in_o church_n government_n changeable_a by_o man_n pag._n 280._o 247._o chemnicius_n for_o us._n pag._n 47._o 178._o the_o church-controversie_n in_o england_n for_o u●_n trifle_n pa._n 193._o 195._o 269._o 320._o a_o visible_a church_n what_o see_v ecclesia_fw-la the_o dignity_n and_o power_n of_o each_o visible_a church_n pag_n 164._o 165._o christ_n visible_a church_n divine_a constitution_n pa._n 74._o 75._o 142._o etc._n etc._n 147._o 102._o 104._o 154._o christ_n visible_a church_n form_n unchangeable_a by_o man_n pag._n 134._o 135._o 139._o 142._o 147._o 149._o 150._o 153._o 281._o a_o true_a visible_a church_n essential_o sometime_o with_o out_o guide_n pag._n 164._o 165._o 278._o 298._o 300._o why_o some_o strive_v to_o change_v the_o proper_a sense_n of_o the_o word_n church_n ecclesia_fw-la in_fw-la mat._n 18.17_o pa._n 216._o protestant_n may_v justify_v their_o church_n &_o call_v to_o the_o ministry_n sound_o if_o they_o will_n pag._n 262._o 264._o 266._o 267._o what_o god_n have_v give_v to_o the_o congregation_n man_n can_v not_o take_v away_o pag._n 76._o 77._o the_o offer_n of_o conference_n not_o without_o necessary_a cause_n and_o reason_n pag._n 196._o 250._o the_o true_a cause_n and_o reason_n why_o we_o conform_v not_o pag._n 137._o two_o main_a point_n of_o our_o whole_a controversy_n pag._n 10._o 303._o but_o the_o chief_a of_o all_o be_v about_o the_o people_n free_a consent_n in_o church_n govern_v pag._n 10._o 16._o 17._o cornelius_n b._n of_o rome_n proove_v no_o diocesan_n church_n nor_o bishop_n pag._n 233._o 234._o cyprian_n teach_v the_o people_n consent_n to_o be_v juris_fw-la divini_fw-la pag._n 57_o 59_o d._n danaeus_n strong_o with_o us._n pag._n 41._o 42._o a_o definition_n of_o christ_n true_a visible_a church_n pag._n 318._o a_o definition_n of_o a_o diocesan_n church_n pag._n 200._o a_o diocesan_n church_n proper_a &_o improper_a p._n 88_o one_o kind_n of_o improper_a diocesan_n church_n be_v apostolical_a pag._n 89._o the_o best_a sort_n of_o diocesan_n bishop_n not_o apostolic_a pa._n 15._o 89._o 90._o yet_o not_o simple_o evil_a pag._n 16._o 89_o 97._o nor_o yet_o expedient_a now_o ibid._n all_o our_o question_n be_v against_o the_o proper_a diocesan_n church_n pag._n 15._o 88_o 97._o 98._o 131._o 225._o substantial_a difference_n between_o a_o church_n and_o ministry_n of_o one_o congregation_n and_o of_o a_o diocese_n pag._n 208._o 128._o 129._o a_o diocesan_n church_n but_o in_o a_o shadow_n till_o constantine_n time_n p._n 126._o 226._o etc._n etc._n 231._o etc._n etc._n 253_o no_o proper_a diocesan_n church_n can_v be_v where_o the_o people_n free_o consent_v pag._n 84._o 85._o etc._n etc._n 88_o apropre_fw-fr diocesan_n church_n be_v new_a pag._n 226._o a_o proper_a diocesan_n church_n induce_v the_o pope_n pag._n 157._o 179._o the_o papist_n shame_n diocesan_n about_o their_o church_n constitution_n and_o call_n to_o the_o ministry_n pag._n 161._o 167._o 169._o 171._o 172._o 183._o 150._o diocesan_n bb._n be_v plurality_n man_n and_o nonresident_n pag._n 131._o 185._o diocesan_n bd._n metropolitan_n in_o office_n archbishop_n patriarch_n in_o substance_n be_v all_o one_o pag._n 273._o yea_o a_o universal_a bishop_n also_o pag._n 181._o 184._o 186._o 189._o 191._o in_o a_o proper_a diocesan_n church_n a_o true_a church_n may_v be_v but_o accidental_o pag._n 306._o 87._o dionysius_n the_o first_o titular_a diocesan_n bishop_n in_o the_o west_n pag._n 92._o 93._o diplodophilus_n one_o hold_v two_o way_n to_o heaven_n pag._n 104._o 125._o 151._o 153._o d._n dove_n turn_v eusebius_n false_o for_o his_o advantage_n 3_o time_n pag._n 226._o 227._o 90._o d._n downame_n defence_n answer_v pa._n 11._o etc._n etc._n 98._o 199._o etc._n etc._n 221._o etc._n etc._n 245._o etc._n etc._n d._n downame_n make_v apostle_n and_o evangelistes_n inferior_a in_o jurisdiction_n to_o bishop_n pag._n 241._o 260._o 251._o d._n downame_n levity_n pag._n 14._o 74._o 83._o 313_o d._n downame_n vain_a boast_n pag._n 217._o d._n down_o abuse_v scripture_n p._n 201._o 202._o 203._o e._n ecclesia_fw-la a_o church_n visible_a be_v only_o one_o ordinary_a congregation_n pa._n 102._o 103._o 104._o 108._o 110._o 201_o 202._o 203._o 205._o 209._o 213._o 214._o 322._o 323._o the_o question_n of_o elder_n or_o presbyter_n whole_o impertinent_a pag._n 11._o 12._o 62._o our_o adversary_n still_o equivocat_n or_o contradict_v themselves_o pag._n 14._o 15._o 98._o 99_o their_o equivocation_n pag._n 120._o 121._o 148._o 204._o 209._o 240._o evaristus_n title_n be_v but_o precinct_n or_o quarter_n in_o one_o congregation_n not_o parish_n pa._n 93._o eusebius_n of_o no_o perfect_a credtt_n 91._o 92._o 229._o and_o yet_o in_o many_o thing_n for_o us._n f._n fabulous_a and_o bastard_n writing_n cite_v by_o doct._n downame_n pag._n 257._o raw_n and_o undigested_a fancy_n pag._n 147._o father_n after_o 300._o year_n of_o christ_n no_o fit_a judge_n of_o