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A30127 A case of conscience resolved viz. whether, where a church of Christ is situate, it is the duty of the women of that congregation, ordinarily, and by appointment, to separate themselves from their brethren, and so to assemble together to perform some parts of divine worship, as prayer, &c. without their men? : And the arguments made use of for that practice examined / by John Bunyan. Bunyan, John, 1628-1688. 1683 (1683) Wing B5490; ESTC R41305 30,288 39

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