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A07384 The name altar, or thysiastērion, anciently given to the holy table A common-place, or theologicall discourse, in a colledge chappell more than two yeares since. By Joseph Mede B.D. and fellow of Christs Colledge in Cambridge. Mede, Joseph, 1586-1638. 1637 (1637) STC 17768.5; ESTC S103096 16,727 48

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tradidit_fw-la 〈◊〉_d quorum_fw-la causâ_fw-la tum_fw-la altaria_fw-la in_o toto_fw-la terrarum_fw-la orbe_fw-la constituta_fw-la sunt_fw-la tum_fw-la ecclesiarum_fw-la dedicationes_fw-la factae_fw-la solique_fw-la omnium_fw-la moderatori_fw-la deo_fw-la divina_fw-la sacrificiorum_fw-la sola_fw-la ment_fw-la &_o ratione_fw-la obeun●orum_fw-la ministeria_fw-la ab_fw-la omnibus_fw-la gentibus_fw-la exhibita_fw-la sacrificia_fw-la verò_fw-la sanguine_fw-la cruore_fw-la &_o fumo_fw-la peragisolita_fw-la vi_fw-la quadam_fw-la occulta_fw-la &_o invisibili_fw-la deleta_fw-la &_o extincta_fw-la sunt_fw-la loe_o here_o altaria_fw-la in_o toto_fw-la terrarum_fw-la orbe_fw-la constituta_fw-la for_o the_o offering_n of_o the_o christian_a sacrifice_n where_o i_o think_v not_o good_a to_o omit_v 635._o that_o what_o eusebius_n speak_v here_o of_o the_o world_n in_o general_a s_o t_o chrysostome_n affirm_v in_o particular_a of_o our_o british_a land_n 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d say_v he_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d the_o british_a land_n which_o lie_v out_o of_o this_o sea_n and_o be_v in_o the_o ocean_n itself_o have_v feel_v the_o power_n of_o the_o word_n for_o even_o there_o also_o church_n and_o altar_n be_v erect_v section_n ii_o but_o will_v some_o say_v it_o be_v true_a indeed_o that_o from_o 200._o year_n after_o christ_n and_o forward_o the_o name_n of_o altar_n be_v much_o frequent_v but_o before_o that_o time_n it_o can_v be_v show_v to_o have_v be_v use_v by_o the_o testimony_n of_o any_o authentic_a writer_n and_o therefore_o nothing_o so_o ancient_a as_o that_o of_o table_n so_o some_o of_o we_o affirm_v indeed_o but_o they_o will_v be_v try_v by_o no_o other_o author_n and_o record_n of_o those_o time_n than_o such_o only_a