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A43711 Bonasus vapulans, or, Some castigations given to Mr. John Durell for fouling himself and others in his English and Latin book by a country scholar. Hickman, Henry, d. 1692.; Durel, John, 1625-1683. 1672 (1672) Wing H1908; ESTC R34462 60,749 139

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the_o congregation_n can_v neither_o hear_v nor_o see_v the_o minister_n what_o i_o say_v but_o mere_a superstition_n 14thly_a page_n 42._o he_o fall_v again_o to_o the_o abuse_n of_o presbyterian_o say_v that_o they_o ought_v to_o have_v as_o bad_a a_o opinion_n of_o the_o trine_n aspersion_n of_o the_o cross_n in_o baptism_n add_v towards_o the_o end_n of_o that_o page_n his_o confidence_n that_o if_o the_o trine_n aspersion_n be_v use_v in_o our_o church_n or_o if_o she_o have_v retain_v the_o trine_n immersion_n as_o at_o the_o begin_n of_o king_n edward_n rhe_n sixth_n reign_n it_o will_v be_v count_v a_o great_a superstition_n this_o be_v a_o great_a slander_n no_o presbyterian_o that_o ever_o i_o hear_v of_o have_v any_o such_o principle_n from_o which_o they_o can_v charge_v superstition_n upon_o trine_n immersion_n or_o upon_o trine_n aspersion_n they_o say_v it_o be_v the_o command_n of_o god_n that_o water_n shall_v be_v apply_v to_o the_o baptise_a have_v he_o command_v that_o this_o application_n shall_v be_v by_o dip_v or_o sprinkle_v once_o or_o twice_o his_o command_n must_v have_v be_v observe_v see_v there_o be_v no_o such_o command_n they_o say_v that_o superior_n be_v at_o liberty_n to_o appoint_v which_o they_o please_v provide_v nothing_o be_v appoint_v that_o be_v imprudent_a or_o uncharitable_a and_o now_o that_o we_o be_v fall_v upon_o this_o point_n i_o will_v glad_o know_v what_o it_o be_v that_o our_o church_n have_v appoint_v by_o the_o liturgy_n i_o see_v the_o minister_n be_v appoint_v to_o dipp_v the_o child_n in_o the_o water_n if_o the_o sponsor_n certify_v that_o the_o babe_n can_v well_o endure_v it_o but_o if_o they_o certify_v that_o the_o child_n be_v weak_a it_o shall_v suffice_v to_o pour_v water_n upon_o it_o so_o that_o here_o be_v no_o allowance_n of_o any_o rite_n but_o dip_v unless_o there_o be_v a_o certificate_n of_o the_o child_n weakness_n but_o when_o i_o wonder_v do_v any_o baptist_n demand_v such_o a_o 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