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A45129 The healing attempt being a representation of the government of the Church of England, according to the judgment of her bishops unto the end of Q. Elizabeths reign, humbly tendred to the consideration of the thirty commissionated for a consult about ecclesiastical affairs in order to a comprehension, and published in hopes of such a moderation of episcopacy, that the power be kept within the line of our first reformers, and the excercise of it reduced to the model of Arch-Bishop Usher. Humfrey, John, 1621-1719. 1689 (1689) Wing H3679; ESTC R20326 63,242 94

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〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d to_o the_o canon_n and_o prefer_v isidore_n mercator_n translation_n before_o the_o original_a greek_a and_o have_v it_o thus_o vicariis_fw-la episcoporum_fw-la quos_fw-la graeci_fw-la chorepiscopos_fw-la vocant_fw-la non_fw-la licere_fw-la presbyteros_fw-la vel_fw-la diaconos_fw-la ordinare_fw-la sed_fw-la nec_fw-la presbyteris_fw-la civitatis_fw-la sine_fw-la episcopi_fw-la praecepto_fw-la amplius_fw-la aliquid_fw-la imperare_fw-la vel_fw-la sine_fw-la autoritate_fw-la literarum_n ejus_fw-la in_o unaquaque_fw-la parochia_fw-la aliquid_fw-la agere_fw-la whereby_o contrary_a to_o all_o rule_n by_o addition_n mutilation_n etc._n etc._n they_o impose_v a_o sense_n direct_o contradict_v the_o express_a word_n of_o the_o canon_n which_o be_v do_v in_o so_o gross_a a_o manner_n that_o thorndike_n himself_o be_v compel_v to_o acknowledge_v 142._o right_o of_o the_o church_n pag._n 141_o 142._o that_o for_o his_o part_n he_o do_v not_o believe_v that_o we_o have_v the_o true_a 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