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A77722 The faith of the Catholick church, concerning the Eucharist Invincibly proved by the argument used against the Protestants, in the books of the faith of the perpetuity, written by Mr. Arnaud. A translation from the French. Bruzeau, Paul. 1687 (1687) Wing B5241A; ESTC R231821 54,760 188

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