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the_o person_n of_o theodoret_n or_o rather_o with_o the_o book_n itself_o which_o 54._o which_o niceph._n l._n 44_o c._n 54._o nicephorus_n do_v not_o reckon_v up_o among_o theodoret_n work_n when_o he_o give_v a_o account_n of_o all_o his_o book_n these_o 8_o book_n de_fw-fr curandis_fw-la graecorum_n affectibus_fw-la be_v not_o mention_v etc._n mention_v 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d etc._n etc._n those_o which_o he_o write_v be_v these_o etc._n etc._n and_o withal_o your_o learned_a cardinal_n know_v well_o that_o what_o theodoret_n if_o this_o book_n be_v he_o do_v build_v with_o one_o hand_n he_o pull_v down_o with_o another_o as_o to_o this_o point_n of_o invocation_n of_o saint_n or_o angel_n for_o in_o his_o commentary_n upon_o the_o 2_o do_v chap._n of_o s_n t_o paul_n to_o the_o colossian_n vers_fw-la 18_o let_v no_o man_n beguile_v you_o of_o your_o reward_n in_o a_o voluntary_a humility_n and_o worship_v of_o angel_n i_o say_v theodoret_n in_o his_o commentary_n upon_o this_o place_n cut_v off_o the_o sinew_n and_o foundation_n of_o saint_n and_o angel_n invocation_n he_o show_v how_o some_o jewish_a christian_n in_o phrygia_n and_o pisidia_n be_v zealous_a of_o the_o law_n do_v worship_n angel_n by_o who_o the_o law_n be_v give_v and_o build_v temple_n to_o s_o t_o michael_n and_o other_o and_o that_o this_o course_n continue_v long_o among_o they_o etc._n they_o bin._n council_n lacd_a tom._n 1._o can_v 35._o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d etc._n etc._n and_o therefore_o that_o in_o the_o 4_o the_o century_n a_o council_n of_o bishop_n in_o laodicea_n the_o metropolis_n of_o phrygia_n near_o neighbour_n to_o colosse_n do_v express_o forbid_v the_o worship_n of_o angel_n call_v it_o idolatry_n that_o christian_n ought_v not_o to_o leave_v the_o church_n of_o god_n and_o depart_v and_o call_v upon_o the_o angel_n and_o make_v assembly_n and_o if_o any_o be_v find_v to_o be_v conversant_a in_o this_o hide_a idolatry_n let_v he_o be_v accurse_v now_o 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the_o next_o chap._n of_o s._n paul_n to_o the_o colossian_n vers_fw-la 17._o the_o apostle_n
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of_o this_o holy_a father_n to_o prove_v the_o invocation_n of_o saint_n etc._n saint_n tract_n 84._o in_o joannem_fw-la non_fw-la sic_fw-la mart._n ad_fw-la mensam_fw-la commemoramus_fw-la etc._n etc._n we_o do_v not_o so_o commemorate_v martyr_n at_o the_o holy_a table_n as_o we_o do_v other_o who_o rest_n in_o peace_n so_o as_o to_o pray_v for_o they_o but_o rather_o that_o they_o may_v pray_v for_o we_o .._o and_o the_o second_o place_n be_v like_a unto_o it_o de_fw-fr verbis_fw-la apostolorum_fw-la serm._n 17._o commendari_fw-la 17._o injuria_fw-la est_fw-la pro_fw-la mart._n orare_fw-la cujus_fw-la nos_fw-la debemus_fw-la orat._n commendari_fw-la it_o be_v a_o injury_n to_o pray_v for_o a_o martyr_n unto_o who_o prayer_n we_o shall_v be_v commend_v theoph._n in_o these_o two_o parallel_a passage_n s_o t_o augustin_n show_v that_o the_o commemoration_n of_o the_o martyr_n at_o the_o altar_n in_o the_o time_n of_o divine_a service_n must_v not_o be_v construe_v a_o prayer_n for_o 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of_o your_o observation_n you_o please_v i_o pass_v to_o the_o three_o testimony_n which_o bellarmin_n bring_v from_o s_o t_o etc._n t_o lib._n de_fw-fr cura_fw-la pro_fw-la mortuis_fw-la c._n 4._o nisi_fw-la ad_fw-la hoc_fw-la ut_fw-la dum_fw-la recolunt_fw-la ubi_fw-la sunt_fw-la etc._n etc._n augustin_n i_o do_v not_o see_v what_o advantage_n to_o the_o dead_a be_v the_o care_n of_o their_o friend_n to_o bury_v they_o near_o the_o tomb_n of_o some_o martyr_n unless_o herein_o that_o whilst_o they_o remember_v where_o the_o body_n of_o their_o friend_n do_v lie_v they_o may_v commend_v they_o unto_o those_o saint_n as_o patron_n to_o be_v assist_v by_o their_o prayer_n theoph._n notwithstanding_o this_o testimony_n we_o shall_v willing_o be_v try_v by_o this_o book_n concern_v s_n t_o augustins_n judgement_n in_o the_o point_n of_o pray_v to_o the_o saint_n and_o i_o will_v therefore_o give_v you_o a_o short_a account_n of_o the_o whole_a book_n in_o the_o beginning_n s_o t_o 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the_o decree_n ad_fw-la eorum_fw-la orationes_fw-la opem_fw-la auxiliumque_fw-la confugere_fw-la phil._n i_o have_v no_o reason_n to_o admit_v sinister_a construction_n any_o far_a than_o the_o word_n will_v necessary_o force_v i_o now_o the_o late_a term_n may_v be_v exegetical_a of_o the_o former_a and_o well_o transpose_v thus_o to_o fly_v to_o the_o aid_n and_o assistance_n of_o their_o prayer_n and_o then_o tell_v i_o what_o have_v you_o get_v by_o this_o decree_n theoph._n your_o practice_n will_v best_o interpret_v your_o rule_n if_o the_o public_a prayer_n of_o your_o church_n request_v more_o of_o the_o saint_n in_o heaven_n than_o the_o assistance_n only_o of_o their_o prayer_n you_o may_v suppose_v your_o church_n intend_v and_o understand_v and_o express_v more_o in_o her_o decree_n you_o shall_v find_v your_o church_n often_o to_o supplicate_v that_o as_o well_o by_o the_o merit_n as_o by_o the_o intercession_n of_o the_o saint_n god_n will_v be_v favourable_a unto_o 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