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Word A	Word B	Word C	Word D	Occurrence	Frequency Band	MI	MI Band	Prominent
church_n	ahab_n	doctrine_n	great_a	16	3	2.1343	3	false

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ID	Title	Author	Corrected Date of Publication (TCP Date of Publication)	STC	Words	Pages
A05161	A relation of the conference betweene William Lavvd, then, Lrd. Bishop of St. Davids; now, Lord Arch-Bishop of Canterbury: and Mr. Fisher the Jesuite by the command of King James of ever blessed memorie. VVith an answer to such exceptions as A.C. takes against it. By the sayd Most Reverend Father in God, William, Lord Arch-Bishop of Canterbury.	Laud, William, 1573-1645.	1639 (1639)	STC 15298; ESTC S113162	390,425	418

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of_o learning_n and_o industry_n to_o

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council_n to._n 1._o p._n 152._o edit_fw-la paris_n 1636._o baron_fw-fr annal._n a_o 253._o 254._o 255._o in_o the_o year_n 255._o there_o be_v a_o council_n in_o carthage_n in_o the_o cause_n of_o two_o schismatic_o felicissimus_n and_o novatian_n about_o restore_v of_o they_o to_o the_o communion_n of_o the_o church_n which_o have_v lapse_v in_o time_n of_o danger_n from_o christianity_n to_o idolatry_n felicissimus_n will_v admit_v all_o even_a without_o penance_n and_o novatian_n will_v admit_v none_o no_o not_o after_o penance_n the_o father_n forty_o two_o in_o number_n go_v as_o the_o truth_n lead_v they_o between_o both_o extreme_n to_o this_o council_n come_v privatus_fw-la a_o know_a heretic_n but_o be_v not_o admit_v because_o he_o be_v former_o excommunicate_v and_o often_o condemn_v hereupon_o he_o gather_v his_o complicy_n together_o and_z chooses_z one_o fortunatus_n who_o be_v former_o condemn_v as_o well_o as_o himself_o bishop_n of_o carthage_n and_o set_v he_o up_o against_o s._n cyprian_n this_o do_v

and_o after_o that_o by_o pope_n stephen_n and_o after_o both_o in_o the_o first_o 1._o first_o can._n 1._o council_n of_o carthage_n yet_o no_o one_o word_n be_v there_o in_o that_o council_n which_o mention_n this_o as_o a_o error_n that_o he_o think_v pope_n stephen_n may_v err_v in_o the_o faith_n while_o he_o proclaim_v he_o do_v so_o in_o which_o though_o the_o particular_a censure_n which_o he_o pass_v on_o pope_n stephen_n be_v erroneous_a for_o stephen_n err_v not_o in_o that_o yet_o the_o general_n which_o result_v from_o it_o namely_o that_o for_o all_o his_o be_v in_o the_o popedom_n he_o may_v err_v be_v most_o true_a 2._o the_o second_o father_n which_o bellarmine_n cite_v be_v s._n jerome_n same_o jerome_n attamen_fw-la scito_fw-la romanam_fw-la sidem_fw-la apostolica_fw-la vove_n laudatam_fw-la ejusmodi_fw-la praestigias_fw-la non_fw-la recipere_fw-la etiamsi_fw-la angelus_n aliter_fw-la annunciet_a quàm_fw-la semel_fw-la praedicatum_fw-la est_fw-la pauli_n authoritate_fw-la munitam_fw-la non_fw-la posse_fw-la mutari_fw-la s._n hicron_n l._n 3._o apol._n contra_fw-la ruffinum_fw-la tom._n 2._o edit_fw-la paris_n 1534._o sol_fw-la 84._o k._n peradventure_o it_o be_v here_o to_o be_v read_v &_o jam_fw-la si_fw-la for_o so_o the_o place_n be_v more_o plain_a and_o more_o strong_a but_o the_o answer_n be_v the_o same_o his_o word_n be_v the_o roman_a faith_n commend_v by_o the_o apostle_n admit_v not_o such_o praestigia'_v deceit_n and_o delusion_n into_o it_o though_o a_o angel_n shall_v preach_v it_o otherwise_o than_o it_o be_v preach_v at_o first_o and_z be_v arm_v and_o fence_v by_o s._n paul_n authority_n can_v be_v change_v where_o first_o i_o will_v not_o doubt_v but_o that_o s._n jerome_n speak_v here_o of_o the_o faith_n for_o the_o praestigiae_fw-la here_o mention_v be_v afterward_o more_o plain_o express_v for_o he_o tell_v we_o after_o k._n after_o deinde_fw-la ut_fw-la epistolas_fw-la contra_fw-la te_fw-la ad_fw-la orientem_fw-la mitteret_fw-la &_o cauterium_fw-la tibi_fw-la haereseó_n inureret_fw-la diceretque_fw-la libros_fw-la origenis_n 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d à_fw-la te_fw-la translatos_fw-la &_o simplici_fw-la ecclesiae_fw-la romanae_fw-la plebi_fw-la traditos_fw-la ut_fw-la fidei_fw-la veritatem_fw-la quam_fw-la ab_fw-la apostolo_n didicerant_fw-la per_fw-la te_fw-la perderent_fw-la s._n hicron_n ibid._n fol._n 85._o k._n that_o the_o bishop_n of_o rome_n have_v send_v letter_n into_o the_o east_n and_o charge_v heresy_n upon_o ruffinus_n and_o far_o that_o origen_n book_n 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d be_v translate_v by_o he_o and_o deliver_v to_o the_o simple_a people_n of_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n that_o by_o his_o mean_n they_o may_v loose_v the_o verity_n of_o the_o faith_n which_o they_o have_v learn_v from_o the_o apostle_n therefore_o the_o praestigiae_fw-la before_o mention_v be_v the_o cunning_a illusion_n of_o ruffinus_n put_v origen_n book_n under_o the_o martyr_n pamphilus_n his_o name_n that_o so_o he_o may_v bring_v in_o heresy_n the_o more_o cunning_o under_o a_o name_n of_o credit_n and_o the_o more_o easy_o pervert_v the_o people_n faith_n so_o of_o the_o faith_n he_o speak_v and_o second_o i_o shall_v as_o easy_o confess_v that_o s._n ierome_n speech_n be_v most_o true_a but_o i_o can_v admit_v the_o cardinal_n sense_n of_o it_o for_o he_o impose_v upon_o the_o word_n fides_n for_o by_o romana_n fides_n the_o roman_a faith_n he_o will_v understand_v the_o particular_a church_n of_o rome_n which_o be_v as_o much_o as_o to_o say_v romanos_fw-la fideles_fw-la the_o faithful_a of_o that_o church_n and_o that_o no_o wily_a delusion_n or_o cozenage_n in_o matter_n of_o faith_n can_v be_v impose_v upon_o they_o now_o hereupon_o i_o return_v to_o that_o of_o s._n cyprian_a if_o fides_n romana_n must_v signify_v fideles_fw-la romanos_fw-la why_o may_v not_o perfidia_fw-la before_o signify_v perfidos_fw-la especial_o since_o these_o two_o word_n be_v common_o use_v by_o these_o writer_n as_o term_n 23._o term_n qui_fw-la cum_fw-la fidei_fw-la dux_fw-la esse_fw-la non_fw-la potuit_fw-la perfidiae_fw-la existat_fw-la s._n cyprian_n l._n 1._o epist._n 7._o fidem_fw-la perfidi_fw-la etc._n etc._n ibid._n facti_fw-la sunt_fw-la ex_fw-la ovibus_fw-la vulpes_fw-la ex_fw-la fidelibus_fw-la perfidi_fw-la optatus_n l._n 7._o quomodo_fw-la iis_fw-la prosit_fw-la quum_fw-la baptizantur_fw-la parentum_fw-la fides_n quorum_fw-la iis_fw-la non_fw-la potest_fw-la obesse_fw-la perfidia_fw-la s._n aug._n epist._n 23._o quantò_fw-la potiùs_fw-la fides_n aliena_fw-la potest_fw-la consulere_fw-la parvulo_fw-la cvi_fw-la sva_fw-la perfidia_fw-la etc._n etc._n s._n aug._n l._n 3._o de_fw-fr lib._n arbit_n c._n 23._o opposite_a and_o therefore_o by_o the_o law_n of_o opposition_n may_v interpret_v each_o other_o proportionable_o so_o with_o these_o great_a master_n with_o who_o it_o be_v almost_o grow_v to_o be_v quod_fw-la volumus_fw-la rectum_fw-la est_fw-la what_o we_o please_v shall_v be_v the_o author_n meaning_n perfidia_fw-la must_v signify_v absolute_o error_n in_o faith_n or_o misbelief_n but_o fides_n must_v relate_v to_o the_o person_n and_o signify_v the_o faithful_a of_o the_o roman_a church_n and_o now_o i_o conceive_v my_o answer_n will_v proceed_v with_o a_o great_a deal_n of_o reason_n for_o romana_n fides_n the_o roman_a faith_n as_o it_o be_v commend_v by_o the_o apostle_n of_o which_o s._n jerome_n speak_v be_v one_o thing_n and_o the_o particular_a roman_a church_n of_o which_o the_o cardinal_n speak_v be_v another_o the_o faith_n indeed_o admit_v not_o praestigias_fw-la wily_a delusion_n into_o it_o if_o it_o do_v it_o can_v not_o be_v the_o whole_a and_o undefiled_a faith_n of_o christ_n which_o they_o learn_v from_o the_o apostle_n and_o which_o be_v so_o fence_v by_o apostolical_a authority_n as_o that_o it_o can_v be_v change_v though_o a_o angel_n shall_v preach_v the_o contrary_n but_o the_o particular_a church_n of_o rome_n have_v admit_v praestigias_fw-la diverse_a crafty_a conveyance_n into_o the_o faith_n and_o be_v not_o fence_v as_o the_o faith_n itself_o be_v and_o therefore_o though_o a_o angel_n can_v contrary_v that_o yet_o the_o bad_a angel_n have_v sow_v tare_n in_o this_o by_o which_o mean_v romana_n fides_n though_o it_o be_v now_o the_o same_o it_o be_v for_o the_o word_n of_o the_o creed_n yet_o it_o be_v not_o the_o same_o for_o the_o sense_n of_o it_o nor_o for_o the_o supper_n and_o praeter-structure_n build_v upon_o it_o or_o join_v unto_o it_o so_o the_o roman_a faith_n that_o be_v the_o faith_n which_o s._n paul_n teach_v the_o roman_n and_o after_o commend_v in_o they_o be_v all_o one_o with_o the_o catholic_a faith_n of_o christ._n for_o s._n paul_n teach_v no_o other_o than_o that_o one._n and_o this_o one_o can_v never_o be_v change_v in_o or_o from_o itself_o by_o angel_n or_o devil_n but_o in_o man_n heart_n it_o may_v receive_v a_o change_n and_o in_o particular_a church_n it_o may_v receive_v a_o change_n and_o in_o the_o particular_a church_n of_o rome_n it_o have_v receive_v a_o change_n and_o you_o see_v s._n hierome_n himself_o confess_v that_o the_o pope_n himself_o be_v afraid_a suprà_fw-la afraid_a ne_fw-fr fidei_fw-la veritatem_fw-la quam_fw-la ab_fw-la apostolo_n didicerant_fw-la per_fw-la te_fw-la perderent_fw-la ut_fw-la suprà_fw-la ne_fw-la perderent_fw-la lest_o by_o this_o art_n of_o ruffinus_n the_o people_n may_v loose_v the_o verity_n of_o the_o faith_n now_o that_o which_o can_v be_v lose_v can_v be_v change_v for_o usual_o habit_n begin_v to_o alter_v before_o they_o be_v quite_o lose_v and_o that_o which_o may_v be_v lose_v among_o the_o people_n may_v be_v lose_v among_o the_o bishop_n and_o the_o rest_n of_o the_o clergy_n too_o if_o they_o look_v not_o to_o it_o as_o it_o seem_v they_o after_o do_v not_o at_o rome_n though_o then_o they_o do_v nay_o at_o this_o time_n the_o whole_a roman_a church_n be_v in_o danger_n enough_o to_o swallow_v origen_n book_n and_o all_o the_o error_n in_o it_o come_v under_o the_o name_n of_o pamphilus_n and_o so_o s._n jerome_n himself_o express_o and_o close_o upon_o the_o place_n cite_v by_o bellarmine_n for_o he_o desire_v k._n desire_v muta_fw-la titulum_fw-la &_o romanam_fw-la simplicitatem_fw-la tanto_fw-la periculo_fw-la libera_fw-la ibid._n fol._n 84._o k._n ruffinus_n to_o change_v the_o title_n of_o the_o book_n that_o error_n may_v not_o be_v spread_v under_o the_o specious_a name_n of_o pamphilus_n and_o so_o to_o free_v from_o danger_n the_o roman_a simplicity_n where_o by_o the_o way_n roman_a unerring_a power_n now_o challenge_v and_o roman_a simplicity_n then_o fear_v agree_v not_o very_o well_o together_o 3._o the_o three_o father_n allege_v by_o bellarmine_n be_v 1609._o be_v uetus_fw-la roma_fw-la ab_fw-la antiquis_fw-la temporibus_fw-la habet_fw-la rectam_fw-la fidem_fw-la &_o semper_fw-la eam_fw-la retinet_fw-la sicut_fw-la decet_fw-la urbem_fw-la quae_fw-la toti_fw-la orbt_n pr●…sidet_fw-la semper_fw-la de_fw-la deo_fw-la integram_fw-la fidem_fw-la habere_fw-la greg._n naz._n in_o carmine_fw-la de_fw-la vità_fw-la suà_fw-la ante_fw-la medium_n p._n 9_o edit_fw-la

of_o the_o roman_a church_n then_o non_fw-la sumpsit_fw-la exordium_n no_o heresy_n take_v its_o beginning_n there_o but_o that_o deny_v not_o but_o that_o some_o haereticall_a taint_n may_v get_v in_o there_o and_o it_o be_v more_o than_o manifest_a that_o the_o most_o famous_a heresy_n in_o their_o several_a time_n make_v their_o abode_n even_o at_o rome_n and_o it_o be_v observable_a too_o that_o bellarmine_n cite_v nomore_o of_o ruffinus_n his_o word_n then_o these_o in_o ecclesiâ_fw-la vrbis_fw-la romae_fw-la neque_fw-la haeresis_fw-la ulla_fw-la sumpsit_fw-la exordium_n &_o mos_fw-la ibi_fw-la servatur_fw-la antiquus_fw-la as_o if_o this_o be_v a_o entire_a speech_n whereas_o it_o come_v in_o but_o as_o a_o reason_n give_v of_o the_o speech_n precedent_n and_o as_o if_o ruffinus_n make_v the_o church_n of_o rome_n the_o great_a observer_n of_o the_o custom_n of_o the_o church_n whereas_o he_o speak_v but_o of_o one_o particular_a custom_n of_o recite_v the_o creed_n before_o baptism_n but_o after_o all_o this_o i_o pray_v do_v no_o heresy_n ever_o begin_v at_o rome_n where_o do_v novatianisme_n begin_v at_o rome_n sure_o for_o 62._o for_o baron_fw-fr to._n 2._o an._n 254._o num._n 62._o baronius_n 73._o baronius_n pamel_n in_o cyprian_a epist._n 41._o &_o 73._o pamelius_n and_o 59_o and_o petavius_n in_o epiphan_n haeres_fw-la 59_o petavius_n do_v all_o dispute_v the_o point_n whether_o that_o sect_n be_v denominate_v from_o novatianus_n the_o roman_a priest_n or_o novatus_n the_o african_a bishop_n and_o they_o conclude_v for_o novatian_n he_o than_o that_o give_v that_o name_n be_v in_o all_o right_a the_o founder_n and_o rome_n the_o nest_n of_o that_o heresy_n and_o there_o it_o continue_v with_o a_o succession_n cornelii_n succession_n onuph_n in_o notis_n ad_fw-la plat._n in_o vita_fw-la cornelii_n of_o bishop_n from_o cornelius_n to_o celestine_n which_o be_v near_o upon_o two_o hundred_o year_n nay_o can_v ruffinus_n himself_o be_v ignorant_a that_o some_o heresy_n begin_v at_o rome_n no_o sure_a for_o in_o this_o i_o must_v challenge_v he_o either_o for_o his_o weak_a memory_n or_o his_o wilful_a error_n for_o ruffinus_n have_v not_o only_o read_v eusebius_n his_o history_n but_o have_v be_v at_o the_o pain_n to_o translate_v he_o now_o sin_n now_o haeretici_fw-la alii_fw-la in_o morem_fw-la venenatorum_fw-la serpentum_fw-la in_o asiam_fw-la &_o phrygiam_fw-la irrepserunt_fw-la 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d quorum_n dux_n florinus_n euseb._n l._n 5._o cap._n 14._o and_o in_o ruffinus_n his_o translation_n c._n 15._o and_o then_o afterward_o c._n 19_o &_o 20._o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d etc._n etc._n now_o this_o blastus_n teach_v that_o god_n be_v the_o author_n of_o sin_n eusebius_n say_v plain_o that_o some_o heretic_n spread_v their_o venom_n in_o asia_n some_o in_o phrygia_n and_o other_o grow_v at_o rome_n and_o florinus_n be_v the_o ringleader_n of_o they_o and_o more_o clear_o after_o irenaeus_n say_v he_o 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the_o catholic_a church_n as_o they_o do_v to_o the_o whole_a which_o we_o believe_v in_o our_o creed_n and_o which_o be_v the_o society_n of_o all_o christian_n and_o this_o be_v full_a of_o absurdity_n in_o nature_n in_o reason_n in_o all_o thing_n that_o any_o 7._o any_o totum_fw-la est_fw-la majus_fw-la suâ_fw-la parte_fw-la etiamsi_fw-la axioma_fw-la sit_fw-la apud_fw-la eucl●…dem_fw-la non_fw-la tamen_fw-la ideò_fw-la geometricum_fw-la put_v andum_fw-la est_fw-la quia_fw-la geometres_fw-la to_o utitur_fw-la vtitur_fw-la enim_fw-la &_o tota_fw-la logica_fw-la ram_n in_o schol._n matth._n and_o aristotle_n vindicate_v such_o proposition_n 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d from_o be_v usurp_v by_o particular_a science_n 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d etc._n etc._n quia_fw-la conveniunt_fw-la omni_fw-la e●…ti_fw-la &_o non_fw-la alicui_fw-la generi_fw-la separatim_fw-la 4._o metapb_n cap._n 3._o t._n 7._o part_n shall_v be_v of_o equal_a worth_n power_n credit_n or_o authority_n with_o 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principes_fw-la and_o principatus_fw-la be_v not_o common_o give_v they_o both_o by_o the_o general_n the_o princeps_fw-la ecclesiae_fw-la s._n h._n lar_a 18._o de_fw-fr trin._n prin._n and_o he_o speak_v of_o a_o bi●…hop_n in_o general_n greg._n nazianz._n orat._n 17._o ascribuntur_fw-la episcopo_fw-la 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d imperium_fw-la thronus_fw-la &_o principatus_fw-la ad_fw-la regim●…n_fw-la a●…imarum_fw-la et_fw-fr 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d hujusmodi_fw-la imperium_fw-la and_o he_o also_o speak_v of_o a_o bishop_n greg._n nazian_n orat._n 20._o nor_o be_v these_o any_o title_n of_o pride_n in_o bi●…hops_n then_o for_o s._n greg._n nazianz._n who_o challenge_v these_o title_n to_o himself_o orat._n 17._o be_v so_o devout_a so_o mild_a and_o so_o humble_a that_o rather_o than_o the_o peace_n of_o the_o church_n shall_v be_v break_v he_o free_o resign_v the_o great_a patriarchate_n of_o constantinople_n and_o retire_v and_o this_o in_o the_o first_o council_n of_o constantinople_n and_o the_o second_o general_n greek_a and_o the_o latin_a father_n of_o this_o great_a and_o learnede_a age_n of_o the_o church_n make_v up_o of_o the_o four_o and_o fist_v hundred_o year_n always_o understand_v principatus_fw-la of_o their_o spiritual_a power_n and_o within_o the_o limit_n of_o their_o several_a jurisdiction_n which_o perhaps_o now_o and_o then_o they_o do_v occasional_o exceed_v and_o there_o be_v not_o one_o word_n in_o s._n augustine_n that_o this_o principality_n of_o the_o apostolic_a chair_n in_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n be_v then_o or_o aught_o to_o be_v now_o exercise_v over_o the_o whole_a church_n of_o christ_n as_o bellarmine_n insinuate_v there_o and_z as_o a._n c._n will_v have_v it_o here_o and_o to_o prove_v that_o s_n augustine_n do_v not_o intend_v by_o principatus_fw-la here_o to_o give_v the_o roman_a bishop_n any_o power_n out_o of_o his_o own_o limit_n which_o god_n know_v be_v far_o short_a of_o the_o whole_a church_n i_o shall_v make_v it_o most_o manifest_a out_o of_o the_o very_a same_o epistle_n for_o afterward_o say_v s._n augustine_n when_o the_o pertinacy_n of_o the_o donatist_n can_v not_o be_v restrain_v by_o the_o african_a bishop_n only_o 162._o only_o pergant_fw-la ad_fw-la fratres_n &_o collegas_fw-la nostros_fw-la transmarinarum_fw-la ecclesiarum_fw-la episcopos_fw-la etc._n etc._n s._n aug._n ep_v 162._o they_o give_v they_o leave_v to_o be_v hear_v by_o foreign_a bishop_n and_o after_o that_o he_o have_v these_o word_n ibid._n word_n an_fw-mi fortè_fw-la non_fw-la debuit_fw-la romanae_fw-la ecclesiae_fw-la melciades_n episcopus_fw-la cum_fw-la collegis_fw-la transmarinis_fw-la episcopis_fw-la illud_fw-la sibi_fw-la usurpare_fw-la judicium_fw-la quod_fw-la ab_fw-la afris_fw-fr septuaginta_fw-la ubi_fw-la primus_fw-la tigisitanus_n praesedit_fw-la fuerit_fw-la terminaetum_fw-la quid_fw-la quod_fw-la nec_fw-la ipse_fw-la usurp●…vit_fw-la rogatus_n quip_n imperator_n judices_fw-la misit_fw-la episcopos_fw-la qui_fw-la cum_fw-la ●…o_fw-la sederent_fw-la &_o de_fw-fr totâ_fw-la illâ_fw-la causà_fw-la quod_fw-la justum_fw-la videretur_fw-la statuerent_fw-la etc._n etc._n s._n aug._n ibid._n and_o yet_o peradventure_o melciades_n the_o bishop_n of_o

ecclestam_fw-la rumperet_fw-la no_o &_o alexandria_n à_fw-fr marco_n evangelista_n ●…resbyteri_fw-la semper_fw-la unum_fw-la ex_fw-la seclectum_fw-la in_o excellenttori_fw-la gradu_fw-la col_fw-fr ocatum_fw-la episcopum_fw-la nominabant_fw-la etc._n etc._n s._n hieron_n in_o epist._n ad_fw-la evagrium_fw-la so_o even_o according_a to_o s._n hiero●…_n bishop_n have_v a_o very_a ancient_a and_o honourable_a descent_n in_o the_o church_n from_o s._n mark_v the_o evangelist_n and_o about_o the_o end_n of_o the_o same_o epistle_n he_o acknowledge_v it_o traditionem_fw-la esse_fw-la apostolicam_fw-la nay_o mo_z e_z then_o so_o he_o afhime_n plain_o that_o vli_fw-la non_fw-la est_fw-la saccrdos_n non_fw-la est_fw-la ecclesia_fw-la s._n hiéron_n advers._fw-la luciferian_n and_o in_o that_o place_n most_o manifelt_a i●…_n be_v that_o s._n icrom_n by_o sacerdos_n mean_v a_o bishop_n for_o he_o speak_v de_fw-fr sacerdote_fw-la qui_fw-la potestatem_fw-la habet_fw-la ordinandi_fw-la which_o in_o s._n jenome_v own_o judgement_n no_o mere_a priest_n have_v but_o a_o bishop_n only_o s._n hier._n epist_n àd_n evagrium_fw-la so_o even_o with_o he_o no_o bishop_n and_o no_o church_n s._n jerome_n tell_v we_o though_o be_v none_o himself_o he_o be_v no_o great_a friend_n to_o bishop_n and_o this_o be_v so_o settle_v in_o the_o mind_n of_o man_n from_o the_o very_a infancy_n of_o the_o christian_a church_n as_o that_o it_o have_v not_o be_v to_o that_o time_n contradict_v by_o any_o so_o that_o then_o there_o be_v no_o controversy_n about_o the_o call_v all_o agree_v upon_o that_o the_o only_a difficulty_n be_v to_o accommodate_v the_o place_n and_o precedency_n of_o bishop_n among_o themselves_o for_o the_o very_a necessity_n of_o order_n and_o government_n to_o do_v this_o the_o most_o equal_a and_o impartial_a way_n be_v that_o as_o the_o church_n be_v in_o the_o commonwealth_n not_o the_o commonwealth_n in_o it_o as_o 3._o as_o non_fw-la ●…nim_fw-la respub_fw-la est_fw-la in_o ecclesià_fw-la sed_fw-la ecclesia_fw-la in_o repub._n optat._n l._n 3._o optatus_n tell_v we_o so_o the_o honour_n of_o the_o church_n shall_v 16._o shall_v conc._n calce_v can._n 9_o &_o actio_fw-la 16._o follow_v the_o hon_fw-fr ur_n of_o the_o state_n and_o so_o it_o be_v insinuate_v if_o not_o order_v as_o appear_v by_o the_o canon_n of_o the_o counsel_n of_o chalcedon_n and_o antioch_n and_o this_o be_v the_o very_a fountain_n of_o papal_a greatness_n the_o pope_n have_v his_o residence_n in_o the_o great_a imperial_a city_n but_o precedency_n be_v one_o thing_n and_o authority_n be_v another_o it_o be_v think_v fit_a therefore_o though_o as_o pralat_n as_o s._n cyprian_n l._n de_fw-fr simp_n pralat_n s._n cyprian_n speak_v episcopatus_fw-la unus_fw-la est_fw-la the_o call_v of_o a_o bishop_n be_v one_o and_o the_o same_o that_o yet_o among_o bishop_n there_o shall_v be_v a_o certain_a subordination_n and_o subjection_n the_o empire_n therefore_o be_v cast_v into_o several_a division_n which_o they_o then_o call_v diocese_n every_o diocese_n contain_v several_a province_n every_o province_n several_a bishopric_n the_o chief_a of_o a_o dioc_n sse_n in_o that_o large_a sense_n be_v call_v 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d and_o sometime_o a_o patriarch_n the_o chief_a of_o a_o province_n a_o metropolitan_a next_o the_o bishop_n in_o their_o several_a diocese_n as_o we_o now_o use_v that_o word_n among_o these_o there_o be_v effectual_a subjection_n respective_o ground_v upon_o canon_n and_o positive_a law_n in_o their_o several_a quarter_n but_o over_o they_o none_o at_o all_o all_o the_o difference_n there_o be_v but_o honorary_a not_o autoritative_a if_o the_o ambition_n of_o some_o particular_a person_n do_v attempt_v now_o and_o then_o to_o break_v these_o bound_n it_o be_v no_o marvel_n for_o no_o call_v can_v sanctify_v all_o that_o have_v it_o and_o socrates_n t●…lles_v we_o that_o in_o this_o way_n the_o bishop_n of_o alexandria_n and_o rome_n advance_v themselves_o to_o a_o great_a height_n 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d even_o beyond_o the_o quality_n of_o bishop_n now_o upon_o view_n of_o story_n it_o will_v appear_v that_o what_o advantage_n accrue_v to_o alexandria_n be_v get_v by_o the_o violence_n of_o theophilus_n patriarch_n there_o a_o man_n of_o exceed_v great_a learning_n and_o of_o no_o less_o violence_n and_o he_o make_v no_o little_a advantage_n out_o of_o this_o that_o the_o empress_n ●…udoxia_fw-la use_v his_o help_n for_o the_o cast_n of_o s._n chrylostome_n out_o of_o constantinople_n but_o the_o roman_a prelate_n grow_v by_o a_o steady_a and_o constant_a watch_n fullness_n upon_o all_o occasion_n to_o increase_v the_o honour_n of_o that_o sea_n interpose_v and_o 26._o and_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d ut_fw-la alunt_fw-la sivese_fw-it jaclat_fw-la esse_fw-la greg._n naz._n carm._n de_fw-fr vitasua_fw-la p._n 26._o assume_v to_o themselves_o to_o be_v uindices_fw-la canonum_fw-la as_o s._n gregory_n naz._n speak_v defender_n and_o restorer_n of_o the_o canon_n of_o the_o church_n which_o be_v a_o fair_a pretence_n and_o take_v extreme_o well_o but_o yet_o the_o world_n take_v notice_n of_o this_o their_o aim_n for_o in_o all_o contestation_n between_o the_o east_n and_o the_o west_n w_z ch_z were_z nor_o small_a nor_o few_o the_o western_a bishop_n object_v levity_n to_o the_o eastern_a and_o they_o again_o arrogancy_n to_o the_o bishop_n of_o the_o west_n as_o etc._n as_o orientalibut_fw-la levitas_fw-la occidet_fw-la alibus_fw-la arrogantia_fw-la inuicem_fw-la objecta_fw-la est_fw-la bilius_fw-la annot_n in_o s._n gregor_n naz._n vitam_fw-la na._n 153._o quid_fw-la oput_fw-la est_fw-la occidentali_fw-la superciliolex_fw-la sancto_fw-la basil._n etc._n etc._n bilius_fw-la observe_v and_o upon_o very_o warrantable_a testimony_n for_o all_o this_o the_o bishop_n of_o rome_n continue_v in_o good_a obedience_n to_o the_o emperor_n endure_v his_o censure_n and_o judgement_n and_o be_v choose_v by_o the_o clergy_n and_o people_n of_o rome_n he_o accept_v from_o the_o emperor_n the_o ratification_n of_o that_o choice_n insomuch_o that_o about_o the_o year_n 579._o when_v all_o italy_n be_v on_o fire_n with_o the_o lombard_n and_o ibid._n and_o hac_fw-la una_fw-la suis_fw-la causa_fw-la quare_fw-la l'elagius_fw-la injussu_fw-la principis_fw-la pontisex_n creatus_fw-la sit_fw-la quùm_fw-la extra_fw-la obsessam_fw-la ab_fw-la host_n urben_fw-ge mitti_fw-la quispian_n non_fw-la posset_n etc._n etc._n postea_fw-la itaque_fw-la ad_fw-la placandum_fw-la imperatorem_fw-la gregorius_n diaconus_fw-la etc._n etc._n platina_n in_o vitâ_fw-la pelagii_n 2._o &_o onuph_n ibid._n pelagius_n the_o second_o constrain_v through_o the_o necessity_n of_o the_o time_n contrary_a to_o the_o example_n of_o his_o predecessor_n to_o entere_a upon_o the_o popedom_n without_o the_o emperor_n leave_n s._n gregory_n then_o a_o deacon_n be_v short_o after_o send_v on_o embassy_n to_o excuse_v it_o about_o this_o time_n break_v out_o the_o ambition_n of_o 3._o of_o onuph_n in_o plat._n in_o vi●…a_n bonif._n 3._o john_n patriarch_n of_o constantinople_n affect_v to_o be_v universal_a bishop_n he_o be_v countenance_v in_o this_o by_o mauricius_n the_o emperor_n but_o sour_o oppose_v by_o pelagius_n and_o s._n gregory_n insomuch_o that_o s._n gregory_n say_v plain_o that_o this_o pride_n of_o 78._o of_o in_o hac_fw-la ejus_fw-la superbia_fw-la quid_fw-la aliud_fw-la nisi_fw-la propanqua_fw-la jam_fw-la ●…ntichristi_fw-la esse_fw-la tempora_fw-la designatur_fw-la s._n greg._n l._n 4._o epist._n 78._o his_o show_n that_o the_o time_n of_o antichrist_n be_v near_o so_o as_o yet_o and_o this_o be_v now_o upon_o the_o point_n of_o six_o hundred_o year_n after_o christ_n there_o be_v no_o universal_a bishop_n no_o one_o monarch_n over_o the_o whole_a militant_a church_n but_o mauricius_n be_v depose_v and_o murder_v by_o phocas_n phocas_n confer_v upon_o 32._o upon_o it_o may_v be_v they_o will_v say_v s._n gregory_n do_v not_o inveigh_v against_o the_o thing_n but_o the_o person_n that_o john_n of_o constantinople_n shall_v take_v that_o upon_o he_o which_o belong_v to_o the_o pope_n but_o it_o be_v manifest_a by_o s._n gregory_n own_o text_n that_o he_o speak_v against_o the_o thing_n itself_o that_o neither_o the_o bishop_n of_o rome_n nor_o any_o other_o aught_o to_o take_v on_o he_o that_o title_n cura_fw-la totius_fw-la ecclesia_fw-la &_o principatus_fw-la s_o petro_n committitur_fw-la &_o tamen_fw-la vniversalis_fw-la apostolus_fw-la non_fw-la voco_fw-la s._n greg._n l._n 4._o epist._n 76._o therefore_o neither_o be_v his_o successor_n universal_a bishop_n nunquid_fw-la ego_fw-la hac_fw-la in_o re_fw-la propriam_fw-la causam_fw-la defendo_fw-la nunquid_fw-la specialem_fw-la injuriam_fw-la uindico_fw-la &_o non_fw-la magis_fw-la causam_fw-la omnipotentis_fw-la dei_fw-la &_o vniversalis_fw-la ecclesiae_fw-la where_o he_o plain_o deny_v that_o he_o speak_v in_o his_o own_o cause_n or_o in_o the_o cause_n of_o his_o sea_n per_fw-la venerandam_fw-la chalcedonensem_fw-la synodum_fw-la hoc_fw-la nomen_fw-la ronvere_n pontifici_fw-la oblatum_n est_fw-la sed_fw-la nullus_fw-la eorum_fw-la unquam_fw-la hoc_fw-la singularitatis_fw-la uocabulum_fw-la assumpsit_fw-la nec_fw-la uti_fw-la consensit_fw-la

of_o all_o doubt_n neither_o first_o because_o many_o learned_a man_n have_v challenge_v many_o pope_n for_o teach_v heresy_n and_o that_o be_v against_o the_o true_a faith_n and_o that_o which_o so_o many_o learned_a man_n have_v affirm_v be_v not_o out_o of_o all_o doubt_n or_o if_o it_o be_v why_o do_v bellarmine_n take_v so_o much_o pain_n to_o confute_v and_o disproove_v they_o as_o 8._o as_o bellar._n l._n 4._o de_fw-fr ro._n pont._n c._n 8._o he_o do_v second_o because_o christ_n obtain_v of_o his_o father_n every_o thing_n that_o he_o pray_v for_o if_o he_o pray_v for_o it_o absolute_o and_o not_o under_o a_o condition_n father_n i_o know_v thou_o hear_v i_o always_o s._n john_n 11._o now_o christ_n here_o pray_v absolute_o for_o s._n peter_n therefore_o whatsoever_o he_o 42._o s._n john_n 11._o 42._o ask_v for_o he_o be_v grant_v therefore_o if_o christ_n intend_v his_o successor_n as_o well_o as_o himself_o his_o prayer_n be_v grant_v for_o his_o successor_n as_o well_o as_o 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〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d &c_n &c_n s._n au●…_n ●…pist_v 119_o c._n 6._o s._n augustine_n tell_v we_o that_o the_o militant_a church_n be_v often_o in_o scripture_n call_v the_o moon_n both_o for_o the_o many_o change_v it_o have_v and_o for_o its_o obscurity_n in_o many_o time_n of_o its_o peregrination_n and_o he_o tell_v we_o too_o that_o if_o we_o will_v understand_v this_o place_n of_o scripture_n in_o a_o spiritual_a sense_n 103._o sense_n intelligimus_fw-la spiritualiter_fw-la ecclesiam_fw-la etc._n etc._n et_fw-la hic_fw-la ●…uis_fw-la est_fw-la sol_fw-la nisi_fw-la sol_fw-la lustits●…_n etc._n etc._n s._n aug._n in_o psal._n 103._o our_o saviour_n christ_n be_v the_o sun_n and_o the_o militant_a church_n as_o be_v full_a of_o change_n in_o her_o estate_n the_o moon_n but_o now_o it_o must_v be_v a_o triumphant_a church_n here_o militant_a no_o long_o the_o pope_n must_v be_v the_o sun_n and_o the_o emperor_n but_o the_o moon_n and_o least_o innocent_n own_o power_n shall_v not_o be_v able_a to_o make_v good_a his_o decretal_a 145._o decretal_a ●…p_n ●…op_n l._n dicto_fw-la e_z clesia●…us_fw-la c._n 145._o gasper_n schioppius_n do_v not_o only_o avow_v the_o allusion_n or_o interpretation_n but_o be_v please_v to_o express_v many_o circumstance_n in_o which_o he_o will_v fain_o make_v the_o world_n believe_v the_o resemblance_n hold_v and_o lest_o any_o man_n shall_v not_o know_v how_o much_o the_o pope_n be_v make_v great_a than_o the_o emperor_n by_o this_o comparison_n the_o sun_n the_o igitur_fw-la cùm_fw-la terra_fw-la sit_fw-la septies_fw-la major_a lunâ_fw-la sol_fw-la autem_fw-la octy_n major_a terra_fw-la restat_fw-la ergo_fw-la ut_fw-la fontificalis_fw-la dignitas_fw-la quadragesy_n septics_n sit_v major_a realidignitate_fw-la gloss._n in_o decret_a predict_v where_o first_o the_o gloss_n be_v out_o in_o his_o latin_a he_o may_v have_v say_v quadragies_fw-la for_o quadragesy_n be_v no_o word_n next_o he_o be_v out_o in_o his_o arithmetic_n for_o eight_o time_n seven_o make_v not_o forty_o seven_o but_o fifty_o six_o and_o then_o he_o be_v much_o to_o blame_v for_o draw_v down_o the_o pope_n power_n from_o fifty_o six_o to_o 47._o and_o last_o this_o allusion_n have_v no_o ground_n of_o truth_n at_o all_o for_o the_o emperor_n be_v solo_n deo_fw-la minor_fw-la tertul._n ad_fw-la scap._n can_v be_v a_o moon_n to_o any_o other_o sun_n gloss_n furnish_v we_o with_o that_o too_o and_o tell_v we_o that_o by_o this_o it_o appear_v that_o since_o the_o earth_n be_v seven_o time_n great_a than_o the_o moon_n and_o the_o sun_n eight_o time_n great_a than_o the_o earth_n it_o must_v needs_o follow_v that_o the_o pope_n power_n be_v forty_o seven_o time_n great_a than_o the_o emperor_n be_v i_o like_v he_o well_o he_o will_v make_v odds_o enough_o but_o what_o do_v innocent_a the_o three_o give_v no_o reason_n of_o this_o his_o decretal_a yes_o and_o it_o be_v say_v he_o supra_fw-la he_o sed_fw-la illa_fw-la potestas_fw-la quae_fw-la praeest_fw-la diebus_fw-la i._n e._n in_o spiritualibus_fw-la major_a est_fw-la quae_fw-la verò_fw-la carna●…ibus_fw-la mi●…or_fw-la inn_n cent_n 3._o ubi_fw-la supra_fw-la because_o the_o sun_n which_o rule_v in_o the_o day_n that_o be_v in_o spiritual_a thing_n be_v great_a than_o the_o moon_n which_o rule_v but_o in_o the_o night_n and_o in_o carnal_a thing_n but_o be_v it_o possible_a that_o innocentius_n the_o three_o be_v 〈◊〉_d wise_a and_o so_o able_a as_o 〈◊〉_d as_o ●…t_fw-la post_fw-la ejus_fw-la mortem_fw-la nihil_fw-la eorum_fw-la quae_fw-la in_o hac_fw-la vita_fw-la egerit_fw-la laudaverit_fw-la aut_fw-la inprobaverit_fw-la imm●…um_fw-la sit_fw-la platina_n in_o vita_fw-la 〈◊〉_d that_o nothing_o which_o he_o do_v or_o commend_v or_o disprove_v in_o all_o his_o life_n shall_v after_o his_o death_n be_v think_v fit_a to_o be_v change_v can_v think_v that_o such_o a_o allusion_n of_o spiritual_a thing_n to_o the_o day_n which_o the_o sun_n govern_v and_o worldly_a business_n 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sis_fw-la fi_fw-la evangelista_n si_fw-la propheta_fw-la sive_fw-la quisquis_fw-la tandem_fw-la fueris_fw-la s._n chrysost._n hom._n 23._o in_o rom._n sive_fw-la est_fw-la sacerdos_n sive_fw-la antistes_fw-la etc._n etc._n theodoret_n in_o rom._n 13._o si_fw-mi omnis_fw-la anima_fw-la &_o vestra_fw-la quis_fw-la vos_fw-la excipit_fw-la ab_fw-la universitate_fw-la etc._n etc._n ipsi_fw-la sunt_fw-la qui_fw-la vobis_fw-la dicere_fw-la solent_fw-la servate_a vestrae_fw-la sedis_fw-la honorem_fw-la etc._n etc._n sed_fw-la christus_fw-la aliter_fw-la &_o juss●…_n &_o g●…ssit_fw-la etc._n etc._n s._n b._n r._n epist._n 42._o ad_fw-la henricum_fw-la senonensem_fw-la archiepiscopum_fw-la et_fw-la theophilact_n in_o rom._n 13._o where_o it_o be_v very_o observable_a that_o theophilact_n live_v in_o the_o time_n of_o pope_n gregory_n the_o seven_o and_o s._n bernard_n after_o it_o and_o yet_o this_o truth_n obtain_v then_o and_o this_o be_v about_o the_o year_n 1130._o ancient_a father_n come_v 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pertineret_fw-la ad_fw-la imperatorem_fw-la adu●…_n eos_fw-la aliquid_fw-la statuere_fw-la qui_fw-la prava_fw-la in_o religione_fw-la sectantur_fw-la ibid_fw-la nor_o can_v this_o be_v say_v to_o be_v usurpation_n in_o the_o emperor_n nam_fw-la s._n august_n alibi_fw-la sic_fw-la ad_fw-la imperatoris_fw-la cur●…m_fw-la de_fw-fr quâ_fw-la rationem_fw-la deo_fw-la redditurus_fw-la est_fw-la res_fw-la ●…lla_fw-la maximè_fw-la p●…rtinebat_fw-la s._n aug._n epist._n 162._o &_o epist._n 50._o quis_fw-la ment_fw-la sobrius_fw-la regibus_fw-la dicat_fw-la nolite_fw-la cu●…are_fw-la in_o regno_fw-la vestro_fw-la à_fw-la quo_fw-la teneatur_fw-la vet_z oppugnetur_fw-la ecclesia_fw-la domini_fw-la vestri_fw-la etc._n etc._n antiqui_fw-la 〈◊〉_d rectè_fw-la dixit_fw-la magistratus_fw-la est_fw-la custos_fw-la legis_fw-la silicet_fw-la primae_fw-la &_o secundae_fw-la tabulae_fw-la quod_fw-la ad_fw-la disciplinam_fw-la attinet_fw-la confessio_fw-la saxonica_n §._o 23._o &_o gerardus_n to._n 6._o locorum_fw-la c._n 6._o §_o 5._o membro_fw-la 1._o probat_fw-la ex_fw-la deut._n 17._o 18._o emperor_n and_o king_n be_v custodes_fw-la utriusque_fw-la tabulae_fw-la they_o to_o who_o the_o custody_n and_o preservation_n of_o both_o table_n of_o the_o law_n for_o worship_n to_o god_n and_o duty_n to_o man_n be_v commit_v that_o a_o book_n of_o the_o law_n be_v by_o god_n own_o command_n in_o moses_n his_o time_n to_o be_v give_v the_o king_n 18_o king_n deut._n 17._o 18_o deut._n 17._o that_o the_o king_n under_o that_o law_n but_o still_o according_a to_o it_o do_v proceed_v to_o necessary_a reformation_n in_o church_n business_n and_o therein_o command_v the_o very_a priest_n themselves_o as_o appear_v in_o the_o act_n of_o 4._o of_o ●…ron_n 29._o 4._o hezechiah_n and_o 2._o and_o 4._o r●…_n 23._o 2._o josiah_n who_o yet_o be_v never_o censure_v to_o this_o day_n for_o usurp_a the_o high_a priest_n office_n nay_o he_o know_v full_a well_o that_o the_o great_a emperor_n for_o the_o 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ad_fw-la quod_fw-la sacrificium_fw-la svo_fw-la loco_fw-la &_o ordine_fw-la homines_fw-la dei_fw-la nominantur_fw-la non_fw-la tamen_fw-la à_fw-la sacerdote_fw-la qui_fw-la sacrificat_fw-la invocantur_fw-la s._n aug._n l._n 22._o civ_o dei_fw-la c._n 10._o s._n augustine_n and_o when_o the_o church_n pray_v to_o god_n for_o any_o thing_n she_o desire_v to_o be_v hear_v for_o the_o mercy_n and_o the_o merit_n of_o christ_n not_o for_o the_o merit_n of_o any_o saint_n whatsoever_o for_o i_o much_o doubt_v this_o be_v to_o make_v the_o saint_n more_o than_o mediator_n of_o intercession_n which_o be_v all_o that_o etc._n that_o bellarm._n l._n 1._o de_fw-fr san●…r_fw-fr beatitud_n c._n 20._o §._o ad_fw-la primum_fw-la ergo_fw-la locum_fw-la etc._n etc._n you_o will_v acknowledge_v you_o allow_v the_o saint_n for_o i_o pray_v be_v not_o by_o the_o merit_n more_o than_o by_o the_o intercession_n do_v not_o christ_n redeem_v we_o by_o his_o merit_n and_o if_o god_n must_v hear_v our_o prayer_n for_o the_o merit_n of_o the_o saint_n how_o much_o fall_n they_o short_a of_o sharer_n in_o the_o he_o the_o sunt_fw-la redemptores_fw-la nostri_fw-la aliquo_fw-la modo_fw-la &_o secundùm_fw-la aliquid_fw-la bellar._n l_o 1_o de_fw-fr indulgen_n c._n 4._o et_fw-la sanctos_fw-la appellat_fw-la numina_fw-la l._n 2._o the_o imagine_v sanctorum_fw-la c._n 20._o §_o 3._o now_o if_o this_o word_n numen_fw-la signify_v any_o thing_n else_o beside_o god_n himself_o or_o the_o power_n of_o god_n or_o the_o oracle_n of_o god_n let_v bellarmine_n show_v it_o or_o a._n c._n for_o he_o mediation_n of_o redemption_n you_o may_v think_v of_o this_o for_o such_o prayer_n as_o these_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n make_v at_o this_o day_n and_o they_o stand_v not_o without_o great_a scandal_n to_o christ_n and_o christianity_n use_v and_o authorize_v to_o be_v use_v in_o the_o missal_n for_o instance_n 6_o instance_n ut_fw-la ejus_fw-la meritis_fw-la &_o precibus_fw-la a_o gehennae_fw-la incendii●…_n liberemur_fw-la in_o proprio_fw-la missarum_fw-la de_fw-la sanctis_fw-la decemb._n 6_o upon_o the_o feast_n of_o s._n nicolas_n you_o pray_v that_o god_n by_o the_o merit_n and_o prayer_n of_o s._n nicolas_n will_v deliver_v you_o from_o the_o fire_n of_o hell_n and_o upon_o the_o octave_n of_o s._n peter_n and_o s._n paul_n 6._o paul_n ut_fw-la amborum_fw-la meritis_fw-la aternitatis_fw-la gl●…riam_fw-la consequamur_fw-la i●…id_n julii_n 6._o you_o desire_v god_n that_o you_o may_v obtain_v the_o glory_n of_o eternity_n by_o their_o merit_n and_o on_o the_o 14_o the_o ejus_fw-la intercedentibus_fw-la meritis_fw-la ab_fw-la omnibus_fw-la nos_fw-la absolve_v peccatis_fw-la ibid._n julii_n 14_o feast_n of_o s._n bonaventure_n you_o pray_v that_o god_n will_v absolve_v you_o from_o all_o your_o sin_n by_o the_o intercede_v merit_n of_o bonaventure_n and_o for_o adoration_n of_o image_n the_o finem_fw-la the_o in_o optatus_n his_o time_n the_o christian_n be_v much_o trouble_v upon_o but_o a_o false_a report_n that_o a_o image_n be_v to_o be_v place_v upon_o the_o altar_n what_o will_v they_o have_v do_v if_o adoration_n have_v be_v command_v etc._n etc._n et_fw-la rectè_fw-la dictum_fw-la or_o at_o fi_fw-la talem_fw-la samam_fw-la similis_fw-la veritas_fw-la sequeretur_fw-la optatus_n l._n 3._o ad_fw-la finem_fw-la ancient_a church_n know_v it_o not_o and_o the_o modern_a church_n of_o rome_n be_v too_o like_a to_o paganism_n in_o the_o practice_n of_o it_o and_o drive_v to_o scarce_o intelligible_a subtlety_n in_o her_o servant_n write_n that_o defend_v it_o and_o this_o without_o any_o care_n have_v of_o million_o of_o soul_n unable_a to_o understand_v her_o subtlety_n or_o shun_v her_o practice_n do_v i_o say_v the_o modern_a church_n of_o rome_n be_v grow_v too_o like_o paganism_n in_o this_o point_n and_o may_v this_o speech_n seem_v too_o hard_o well_o if_o it_o do_v i_o will_v give_v a_o double_a account_n of_o it_o the_o one_o be_v it_o be_v no_o harsh_a expression_n than_o they_o of_o rome_n use_n of_o the_o protestant_n and_o in_o case_n in_o which_o there_o be_v no_o show_n or_o resemblance_n for_o 8._o for_o sicut_fw-la non_fw-la licet_fw-la cum_fw-la ethnitis_n idela_n colere_fw-la becan_n l._n de_fw-fr fide_fw-la haret_fw-la fer●…anda_fw-la c._n 8._o becanus_n tell_v we_o it_o be_v no_o more_o lawful_a to_o receive_v the_o sacrament_n as_o the_o calvinist_n receive_v it_o then_o it_o be_v to_o worship_v idol_n with_o the_o ethnic_n and_o gregory_n de_fw-fr valentia_n enlarge_v it_o to_o more_o point_n than_o one_o but_o with_o no_o more_o truth_n the_o sectary_n of_o our_o time_n 3._o time_n contingit_fw-la aliquando_fw-la hareticos_fw-la circa_fw-la plura_fw-la errare_fw-la quam_fw-la gentiles_n ut_fw-la manichaos_n inquit_fw-la thomas_n quòd_fw-la nos_fw-la possumus_fw-la ver●…_n dicere_fw-la de_fw-la nostri_fw-la temporis_fw-la sectariis_fw-la qui_fw-la culpabiliter_fw-la in_o pluribus_fw-la videntur_fw-la errare_fw-la valentia_n in_o 2._o 2_o ae_z disp._n 1_o q._n 10._o puncto_fw-la 3._o say_v he_o seem_v to_o err_v culpable_o in_o more_o thing_n than_o the_o gentile_n this_o be_v easy_o say_v but_o here_o be_v no_o proof_n nor_o shall_v i_o hold_v it_o a_o sufficient_a warrant_n for_o i_o to_o sour_a my_o language_n because_o these_o man_n have_v dip_v their_o pen_n in_o gall._n the_o other_o account_n therefore_o which_o i_o shall_v give_v of_o this_o speech_n shall_v come_v vouch_v both_o by_o authority_n and_o reason_n and_o first_o for_o authority_n i_o can_v set_v lu●…o_o vicus_fw-la vives_z against_o becanus_n if_o i_o will_v who_o lay_v express_o that_o the_o make_n of_o feast_n at_o the_o oratory_n of_o the_o martyr_n which_o 27._o which_o quod_fw-la quidem_fw-la à_fw-la christianis_fw-la melioribus_fw-la non_fw-la sit_fw-la s._n aug._n l._n 8._o de_fw-la civ_o dei_fw-la c._n 27._o s._n augustine_n tell_v we_o the_o best_a christian_n practise_v not_o be_v a_o kind_n of_o ibid._n of_o illae_fw-la quasi_fw-la parentalia_fw-la superstitioni_fw-la gentilium_fw-la simillima_fw-la lud_n vives_z ibid._n parentalia_fw-la funeral_n feast_n too_o much_o resemble_v the_o superstition_n of_o the_o gentile_n nay_o vives_z need_v not_o say_v resemble_v that_o superstition_n since_o 12._o since_o quod_fw-la ergo_fw-la mortuis_fw-la litabatur_fw-la utique_fw-la parentationi_fw-la deput_fw-la abatur_fw-la quae_fw-la species_n proinde_fw-la idololatri●…_n est_fw-la quoniam_fw-la &_o idololatria_fw-la parentationis_fw-la est_fw-la species_n tertull._n l._n de_fw-la spectaculis_fw-la c._n 12._o tertullian_n tell_v we_o plain_o that_o idolatry_n itself_o be_v but_o a_o kind_n of_o parentation_n and_o vives_z die_v in_o the_o communion_n of_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n be_v a_o better_a testimony_n against_o you_o than_o becanus_n or_o valentia_n be_v bitter_a enemy_n to_o our_o communion_n can_v be_v against_o we_o but_o i_o will_v come_v near_o home_n to_o you_o and_o prove_v it_o by_o more_o of_o your_o own_o for_o ibid._n for_o manifestius_fw-la est_fw-la quàm_fw-la ut_fw-la multis_fw-la verbis_fw-la explicari_fw-la debeat_fw-la imaginum_fw-la &_o simulachrorum_fw-la cultum_fw-la nimiùm_fw-la invaluisse_fw-la &_o affectioni_fw-la seu_fw-la potiùs_fw-la superstitioni_fw-la populi_fw-la

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a_o purgative_n clemency_n but_o puto_fw-la i_o think_v it_o be_v so_o be_v no_o expression_n for_o matter_n of_o faith_n the_o two_o pregnant_a authority_n which_o seem_v to_o come_v home_o be_v those_o of_o gregory_n nyssene_n and_o theodoret._n but_o for_o 〈◊〉_d for_o theo._n in_o 1_o cor._n 〈◊〉_d theodoret_n in_o scholiis_fw-la graecis_fw-la which_o be_v the_o place_n bellarmine_n quote_v i_o can_v find_v no_o such_o thing_n and_o manifest_v it_o be_v bellarmine_n habemus_fw-la bellarmine_n bellarmin_n l._n 1._o de_fw-fr purgato_n c._n 4_o exit_fw-la graecis_fw-la habemus_fw-la himself_o take_v it_o but_o upon_o trust_n and_o for_o 1068._o for_o s._n greg._n nyss._n orat._n de_fw-la mortuis_fw-la p._n 1066._o edit_fw-la paris_n 1615._o tom._n 2._o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d etc._n etc._n ibid._n p._n 1067._o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d etc._n etc._n ibid._n p._n 1068._o s._n gregory_n nyssen_n it_o be_v true_a some_o place_n in_o he_o seem_v plain_a but_o then_o they_o be_v 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whereas_o the_o purgatory_n which_o rome_n now_o teach_v purge_v not_o sin_n 1618._o sin_n item_n definimus_fw-la si_fw-la ver_n poenitentis_fw-la in_o deed_n eharitate_fw-la decesserint_fw-la antequam_fw-la dignis_fw-la poenitentiae_fw-la fructibus_fw-la de_fw-la commissis_fw-la &_o omissis_fw-la satisfecorint_fw-la poen●…_n purgatorius_fw-la post_fw-la mortem_fw-la purgari_fw-la council_n floren._n circa_fw-la prin._n per_fw-la bin._n edit_fw-la colon._n 1618._o but_o be_v only_o satisfactory_a by_o way_n of_o punishment_n for_o sin_n already_o forgive_v but_o for_o which_o satisfaction_n be_v not_o make_v before_o their_o death_n second_o s._n gregory_n nyssen_n himself_o seem_v not_o obscure_o to_o relate_v to_o some_o other_o fire_n 658._o fire_n s._n greg._n nyss._n de_fw-fr animâ_fw-la &_o resur_n tom._n 2_o p._n 658._o for_o he_o say_v express_o that_o the_o soul_n be_v to_o be_v

work_n for_o my_o pen_n it_o seem_v a._n c._n will_v not_o say_v it_o be_v a_o work_n salvation_n work_n and_o yet_o before_o in_o this_o conference_n &_o apud_fw-la a._n c._n pag._n 42._o the_o jesuitè_fw-fr who_o he_o defend_v have_v say_v it_o express_o that_o all_o those_o point_n be_v fundamental_a which_o be_v necessary_a to_o salvation_n for_o he_o but_o he_o tell_v we_o 72._o we_o a._n c._n p._n 72._o it_o be_v to_o be_v learn_v of_o the_o one_o holy_a catholic_a apostolic_a always_o visible_a and_o infallible_a roman_a church_n title_n enough_o give_v to_o the_o roman_a church_n and_o i_o wish_v she_o deserve_v they_o all_o for_o than_o we_o shall_v have_v peace_n but_o it_o be_v far_o otherwise_o one_o she_o be_v as_o a_o particular_a church_n but_o not_o the_o one._n holy_a she_o will_v be_v count_v but_o the_o world_n may_v see_v if_o it_o will_v not_o blind_v itself_o of_o what_o value_n holiness_n be_v in_o that_o court_n and_o country_n catholic_a she_o be_v not_o in_o any_o sense_n of_o the_o word_n for_o she_o be_v not_o the_o 18._o the_o romana_fw-la ecclesia_fw-la particularis_fw-la bellar._n l._n 4._o de_fw-fr ro._n pout_v c._n 4._o §._o 1._o catholica_fw-la autem_fw-la est_fw-la illae_fw-la quae_fw-la diffusa_fw-la est_fw-la per_fw-la universum_fw-la orbem_fw-la s._n cyril_n hiero●…ol_n cetech_n 18._o universal_a and_o so_o not_o catholic_a in_o extent_n nor_o be_v she_o sound_v in_o doctrine_n and_o in_o thing_n which_o come_v near_o upon_o the_o foundation_n too_o so_o not_o so_o not_o catholica_fw-la enim_fw-la dicitur_fw-la ecclesia_fw-la illa_fw-la quae_fw-la universalitèr_fw-la docet_fw-la sine_fw-la ullo_fw-la d●…ctu_fw-la vel_fw-la differentia_fw-la dogmatum_fw-la s._n cyril_n hierolol_n catech_v 18._o unde_fw-la augustinus_n subscripsit_fw-la se_fw-la episcopum_fw-la catholicae_fw-la ecclesiae_fw-la hipponiregicusis_n l._n 1._o de_fw-fr act_n be_v cum_fw-la foelice_fw-la mani●…h_n c._n 20._o ft_v l_o 2._o c._n 1._o et_fw-la catholica_fw-la alexandrinorum_n soz._n l._n 1._o htst._n c._n 9_o et_fw-fr l_o 2._o c._n 3._o and_o so_o every_o particular_a church_n be_v or_o may_v be_v call_v catholic_a and_o that_o true_o so_o long_o as_o it_o teach_v catholic_a doctrine_n in_o which_o sense_n the_o particular_a roman_a church_n be_v call_v catholic_a so_o long_o as_o it_o teach_v all_o and_o only_o those_o thing_n to_o be_v de_fw-fr fide_fw-la which_o the_o catholic_a church_n itself_o maintain_v but_o now_o rome_n do_v not_o so_o catholic_a in_o beliese_n nor_o be_v she_o the_o prime_a mother_n church_n of_o christianity_n patriarchate_n christianity_n supra_fw-la §._o 35._o nurse_n 9_o other_o church_n beside_o the_o roman_a be_v call_v matres_fw-la and_o originales_fw-la ecelesiae_fw-la as_o in_o tertul._n the_o praescrip_n advers._fw-la hare_n c._n 21._o et_fw-la ecclesiae_fw-la hi●…rosolymitana_n quae_fw-la aliarum_fw-la omnium_fw-la mater_fw-la 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d etc._n etc._n theodoret._n l._n 5_o hist._n eccl._n c._n 9_o ex_fw-la l●…bello_fw-la synodico_fw-la à_fw-la council_n constantinop_n 2._o transmisse_fw-la ad_fw-la concilium_fw-la sub_fw-la damaso_n tum_fw-la romae_fw-la coactum_fw-la et_fw-la constantinopolitana_n ecclesiae_fw-la dicitur_fw-la omnium_fw-la aliarum_fw-la capus_fw-la cod._n l_o 1._o tit._n 2._o leg._n 24._o that_o be_v not_o simple_o of_o all_o church_n but_o of_o all_o in_o that_o patriarchate_n and_o so_o rome_n be_v the_o head_n of_o all_o in_o the_o roman_a patriarchate_n jerusalem_n be_v that_o and_o so_o not_o catholic_a as_o a_o fountain_n or_o original_a or_o as_o the_o head_n or_o root_n of_o the_o catholic_a and_o because_o many_o romanist_n object_n here_o though_o a._n c._n do_v it_o not_o that_o s._n cyprian_n call_v the_o 8._o the_o 〈◊〉_d ecclesiae_fw-la catholic_a 〈◊〉_d &_o matricem_n agn●…rent_a &_o tencrent_a s._n cyp._n l._n 4._o epist._n 8._o roman_a church_n the_o root_n and_o matrix_fw-la of_o the_o catholic_a church_n of_o christ_n i_o hope_v i_o shall_v have_v leave_n to_o explain_v that_o difficult_a place_n also_o first_o than_o s._n cyprian_n name_v not_o rome_n that_o stand_v only_o in_o the_o margiu_fw-la and_o be_v place_v there_o as_o his_o particular_a judgement_n lead_v he_o lead_v edit_fw-la basilian_n 1530._o and_o simanca_n also_o apply_v this_o speech_n of_o s._n cyprian_n to_o rome_n '_o tis._n 24._o §._o 17._o and_o to_o also_o p●…lius_n upon_o this_o place_n of_o s_o 〈◊〉_d but_o they_o wrong_v he_o he_o that_o set_v out_o s._n cyprian_n second_o the_o true_a story_n of_o that_o epistle_n and_o that_o which_o lead_v s._n cyprian_n into_o this_o expression_n be_v this_o cornelius_z then_o choose_a pope_n expostulate_v with_o s._n cyprian_n that_o his_o letter_n to_o rome_n be_v direct_v only_o to_o the_o clergy_n there_o and_o not_o to_o he_o and_o take_v it_o ill_o as_o if_o s._n cyprian_n have_v thereby_o seem_v to_o disapprove_v his_o election_n s._n cyprian_a reply_n that_o by_o reason_n of_o the_o schism_n move_v then_o by_o novatian_n it_o be_v uncertain_a in_o africa_n which_o of_o the_o two_o have_v the_o more_o canonical_a right_n to_o the_o sea_n of_o rome_n and_o that_o therefore_o he_o name_v he_o not_o but_o yet_o that_o during_o this_o uncertainty_n he_o exhort_v all_o that_o sail_v thither_o ut_fw-la ecclesiae_fw-la catholicae_fw-la radicem_fw-la &_o matricem_n agnoscerent_fw-la &_o tenerent_fw-la that_o in_o all_o their_o carriage_n they_o shall_v acknowledge_v and_o so_o hold_v themselves_o unto_o the_o unity_n of_o the_o catholic_a church_n which_o be_v the_o root_n and_o matrix_fw-la of_o it_o and_o the_o only_a way_n to_o avoid_v participation_n in_o the_o schism_n and_o that_o this_o must_v be_v s._n cyprian_n meaning_n i_o shall_v thus_o prove_v first_o because_o this_o can_v not_o be_v his_o meaning_n or_o intention_n that_o the_o sea_n of_o rome_n be_v the_o root_n or_o matrix_fw-la of_o the_o catholic_a church_n for_o if_o he_o have_v tell_v they_o so_o he_o have_v leave_v they_o in_o as_o great_a or_o great_a difficulty_n than_o he_o find_v they_o for_o there_o be_v then_o a_o open_a and_o a_o apparent_a schism_n in_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n two_o bishop_n cornelius_z and_o novatian_n two_o congregation_n which_o respective_o attend_v and_o observe_v they_o so_o that_o a_o perplex_a question_n must_v needs_o have_v divide_v their_o thought_n which_o of_o these_o two_o have_v be_v that_o root_n and_o matrix_fw-la of_o the_o catholic_a church_n therefore_o have_v s._n cyprian_n mean_v to_o pronounce_v rome_n the_o root_n and_o matrix_fw-la of_o the_o catholic_a church_n he_o will_v never_o have_v do_v it_o at_o such_o a_o time_n when_o rome_n itself_o be_v in_o schism_n whereas_o in_o the_o other_o sense_n the_o counsel_n be_v good_a and_o plain_a namely_o that_o they_o shall_v hold_v themselves_o to_o the_o unity_n and_o communion_n of_o the_o catholic_a church_n which_o be_v the_o root_n of_o it_o and_o then_o necessary_o they_o be_v to_o suspend_v their_o communion_n there_o till_o they_o see_v how_o the_o catholic_a church_n do_v incline_v to_o approve_v or_o disapproove_v the_o election_n of_o the_o one_o or_o the_o other_o and_o thus_o s._n cyprian_n free_v himself_o to_o cornelius_n from_o the_o very_a lest_o touch_v of_o schism_n second_o because_o this_o sense_n come_v home_o to_o epistle_n to_o baron_fw-fr annal._n 254._o numb_a 64._o where_o he_o cite_v this_o epistle_n baronius_n for_o he_o affirm_v that_o s._n cyprian_n and_o his_o colleague_n the_o african_a bishop_n do_v communionem_fw-la suspendere_fw-la suspend_v their_o communion_n until_o they_o hear_v by_o caldonius_n and_o fortunatus_n who_o the_o undoubted_a right_n be_v so_o it_o seem_v s._n cyprian_n give_v that_o counsel_n to_o these_o traveller_n which_o himself_o follow_v for_o if_o rome_n during_o the_o schism_n and_o in_o so_o great_a uncertainty_n have_v yet_o be_v radix_fw-la ecclesiae_fw-la catholicae_fw-la root_n of_o the_o catholic_a church_n of_o christ_n i_o will_v fain_o know_v how_o s._n cyprian_n so_o great_a and_o famous_a a_o assertor_n of_o the_o church_n unity_n dare_v once_o so_o much_o as_o think_v of_o suspending_a communion_n with_o she_o three_o because_o this_o sense_n will_v be_v plain_a also_o by_o other_o passage_n out_o of_o other_o epistle_n of_o s._n cyprian_n for_o write_v to_o jubaianus_n a_o african_a bishop_n against_o the_o novatian_o who_o than_o infest_a those_o part_n and_o dare_v rebaptise_v catholic_a christian_n he_o say_v thus_o pamel_n thus_o nos_fw-la autem_fw-la qui_fw-la ecclesiae_fw-la unius_fw-la caput_fw-la &_o rad●…cem_fw-la tenemus_fw-la pro_fw-la certo_fw-la scimus_fw-la &_o credimus_fw-la nihil_fw-la extra_fw-la ecclesiam_fw-la licere_fw-la &_o baptismatis_fw-la quod_fw-la est_fw-la unum_fw-la caput_fw-la nos_fw-la esse_fw-la ubi_fw-la &_o ipse_fw-la baptizatus_fw-la priùs_fw-la fuerat_fw-la quando_fw-la divinae_fw-la vnitatis_fw-la &_o rationem_fw-la &_o veritatem_fw-la t●…bat_fw-la s._n cypr._n ad_fw-la jubain_n epist._n 73._o edit_fw-la pamel_n but_o we_o who_o hold_v the_o head_n and_o root_n of_o one_o church_n do_v know_v for_o

certain_a and_o believe_v that_o nothing_o of_o this_o be_v lawful_a out_o of_o the_o catholic_a church_n and_o that_o of_o baptism_n which_o be_v but_o one_o we_o be_v the_o head_n where_o he_o himself_o be_v at_o first_o baptise_a when_o he_o hold_v the_o ground_n and_o verity_n of_o divine_a unity_n now_o i_o conceive_v it_o be_v all_o one_o or_o at_o least_o as_o argumentative_a to_o all_o purpose_n to_o be_v caput_n or_o radix_fw-la baptismatis_fw-la head_n or_o root_n of_o baptism_n as_o head_n or_o root_n of_o the_o church_n for_o there_o be_v but_o one_o baptism_n as_o well_o as_o but_o one_o church_n and_o that_o be_v the_o entrance_n into_o this_o and_o s._n cyprian_n affirm_v and_o include_v himself_o nos_fw-la esse_fw-la caput_fw-la that_o we_o be_v the_o head_n of_o baptism_n where_o yet_o i_o pray_v observe_v it_o he_o can_v by_o nos_fw-la we_o mean_v his_o own_o person_n though_o if_o he_o do_v he_o be_v the_o more_o opposite_a to_o rome_n much_o less_o can_v he_o mean_v the_o roman_a church_n as_o it_o be_v a_o particular_a and_o stand_v separate_v from_o other_o for_o then_o how_o can_v he_o say_v nos_fw-la esse_fw-la caput_fw-la that_o we_o be_v the_o head_n therefore_o he_o must_v needs_o mean_v the_o unity_n and_o society_n of_o the_o church_n catholic_a which_o the_o novatian_o have_v then_o leave_v and_o whereof_o he_o and_o his_o church_n be_v still_o member_n beside_o most_o manifest_a it_o be_v that_o he_o call_v that_o church_n caput_fw-la baptismatis_fw-la the_o head_n of_o baptism_n where_o novatian_n be_v baptise_a they_o be_v his_o own_o word_n and_o probable_a it_o be_v that_o be_v rome_n because_o that_o schismatic_a be_v a_o roman_a priest_n and_o yet_o for_o all_o this_o s._n cyprian_n say_v nos_fw-la esse_fw-la caput_fw-la baptismatis_fw-la that_o we_o be_v the_o head_n of_o baptism_n though_o he_o be_v at_o carthage_n by_o which_o it_o be_v plain_a that_o as_o caput_n be_v parallel_v to_o radix_fw-la and_o matrix_fw-la so_o also_o that_o by_o caput_n the_o head_n of_o baptism_n he_o include_v together_o with_o rome_n all_o the_o other_o member_n of_o the_o church_n universal_a again_o s._n 10._o s._n elaborarent_fw-la ut_fw-la ad_fw-la catholica_fw-la ecclesiae_fw-la unit_fw-la aten_fw-mi scissi_fw-la corpores_fw-la membra_fw-la componerent_fw-la &_o christianae_n charitatis_fw-la vinculum_fw-la copularent_fw-la sed_fw-la quoniam_fw-la diversae_fw-la partis_fw-la obstinata_fw-la &_o inflexibilis_fw-la pertina_fw-la i●…_n non_fw-la tantum_fw-la radicis_fw-la &_o matris_fw-la sinum_fw-la atque_fw-la complexum_fw-la recusavit_fw-la sed_fw-la etiam_fw-la gliscente_fw-la &_o in_fw-la pejus_fw-la recrudescente_fw-la discordiâ_fw-la episcopum_fw-la sibi_fw-la constituit_fw-la etc._n etc._n s._n cyprian_n l._n 2._o epist._n 10._o cyprian_n write_v to_o cornelius_n and_o censure_v the_o schismatical_a carriage_n of_o the_o novatian_o at_o rome_n and_o tell_v he_o far_o that_o he_o have_v send_v caldonius_n and_o fortunatus_n to_o labour_v peace_n in_o that_o church_n that_o so_o they_o may_v be_v reduce_v to_o and_o compose_v in_o the_o unity_n of_o the_o catholic_a church_n but_o because_o the_o obstinate_a and_o inflexible_a pertinacy_n of_o the_o other_o party_n have_v not_o only_o refuse_v radicis_fw-la &_o matris_fw-la sinum_fw-la the_o bosom_n of_o their_o mother_n and_o embrace_n of_o their_o root_n but_o the_o schism_n increase_v and_o grow_v raw_a to_o the_o worse_o have_v set_v up_o a_o bishop_n to_o itself_o etc._n etc._n where_o it_o be_v observable_a and_o i_o think_v plain_a that_o s._n cyprian_n employ_v his_o legate_n not_o to_o bring_v the_o catholic_a church_n to_o the_o communion_n of_o rome_n but_o rome_n to_o the_o catholic_a church_n or_o to_o bring_v the_o novatian_o not_o only_o to_o communicate_v with_o cornelius_n but_o with_o the_o church_n universal_a which_o be_v therefore_o head_n and_o root_n in_o s._n cyprian_n judgement_n even_o to_o rome_n itself_o as_o well_o as_o to_o all_o other_o great_a ancient_z or_o even_o apostolical_a church_n and_o this_o be_v yet_o more_o plain_a by_o the_o sequel_n for_o when_o those_o his_o legate_n have_v labour_v to_o bring_v those_o schismatic_n to_o the_o unity_n of_o the_o catholic_a church_n yet_o he_o complain_v their_o labour_n be_v lose_v and_o why_o why_o because_o recusabant_fw-la radicis_fw-la &_o matris_fw-la sinum_fw-la they_o refuse_v the_o bosom_n of_o the_o root_n and_o the_o mother_n therefore_o it_o must_v needs_o be_v that_o in_o s._n cyprian_n sense_n these_o two_o vnitas_fw-la catholicae_fw-la ecclesiae_fw-la the_o unity_n of_o the_o catholic_a church_n and_o radicis_fw-la or_o matricis_fw-la sinus_n or_o complexus_fw-la the_o bosom_n or_o embrace_v of_o the_o root_n or_o the_o mother_n be_v all_o one_o and_o then_o radix_fw-la and_o matrix_fw-la be_v not_o word_n by_o which_o he_o express_v the_o roman_a sea_n in_o particular_a but_o he_o denote_v by_o they_o the_o unity_n of_o the_o church_n catholic_a four_o because_o 1584._o because_o t●…_n at_o tanta_fw-la ecclesia_fw-la una_fw-la est_fw-la illa_fw-la ab_fw-la apostolis_n prima_fw-la ex_fw-la quà_fw-la omnes_fw-la sic_fw-la omnes_fw-la 〈◊〉_d &_o omnes_fw-la apostolica_fw-la dumunam_fw-la omnes_fw-la probant_fw-la vnitatem_fw-la tert_n de_fw-fr praes_fw-la advers._fw-la 〈◊〉_d c._n 20._o porro_fw-la unam_fw-la esse_fw-la primam_fw-la apostolicam_fw-la ex_fw-la quâ_fw-la reliquae_fw-la hanc_fw-la nulli_fw-la let_v a_o assigit_fw-la b._n rhenanus_fw-la annot._fw-la in_o argumento_fw-la tertul_n de_fw-fr prescript_n etc._n etc._n nulli_fw-la loco_fw-la therefore_o not_o at_o rome_n but_o these_o word_n hanc_fw-la nulli_fw-la loco_fw-la assigit_fw-la deleantur_fw-la say_v the_o spanish_a inquisition_n upon_o rhenanus_fw-la print_v at_o madrid_n a_o 1584._o tertullian_n seem_v to_o i_o to_o agree_v in_o the_o same_o sense_n for_o say_v he_o these_o so_o many_o and_o great_a church_n found_v by_o the_o apostle_n take_v 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c._n 6._o he_o tell_v we_o that_o all_o heresy_n whatsoever_o go_v out_o de_fw-fr illâ_fw-la out_o of_o the_o catholic_a church_n for_o de_fw-fr illâ_fw-la there_o can_v be_v out_o of_o no_o other_o for_o all_o heresy_n

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a._n c._n give_v i_o leave_v to_o tell_v you_o your_o fellow_n jesuite_n 1616._o jesuite_n quintò_fw-la quaeritur_fw-la a_o ubi_fw-la catholici_fw-la unà_fw-la cum_fw-la haereticis_fw-la versantur_fw-la licitum_fw-la sit_fw-la catholico_n adi●…_n templa_fw-la ad_fw-la quae_fw-la haeretici_fw-la conveniunt_fw-la eorum_fw-la interest_n conventibus_fw-la etc._n etc._n respondeo_fw-la sirei_fw-la naturam_fw-la spectemus_fw-la non_fw-la est_fw-la per_fw-la se_fw-la malum_fw-la sed_fw-la suà_fw-la naturâ_fw-la indifferens_fw-la etc._n etc._n aec_fw-la postea_fw-la si_fw-mi princeps_fw-la haeresi_fw-la laboret_fw-la &_o jubeat_fw-la subditos_fw-la catholicos_fw-la sub_fw-la poena_fw-la mortis_fw-la vel_fw-la confiscationis_fw-la bonorum_fw-la frequentare_fw-la templa_fw-la haeretico●…_n quid_fw-la tum_fw-la faciendum_fw-la respondeo_fw-la si_fw-la jubeat_fw-la

but_o that_o it_o shall_v still_o be_v a_o mai●…_n note_v of_o the_o true_a church_n and_o in_o that_o sense_n which_o he_o will_v have_v it_o and_o his_o reason_n be_v ibid._n be_v quia_fw-la doctrina_fw-la sana_n est_fw-la ab_fw-la ipsa_fw-la verà_fw-la &_o legi●…ima_fw-la successione_n indiu●…lsa_fw-la stapl._n ibid._n b●…se_o sound_a doctrine_n be_v indivisible_a from_o true_a and_o lawful_a succession_n where_o you_o shall_v see_v this_o great_a clerk_n for_o so_o he_o be_v not_o able_a to_o stand_v to_o himself_o when_o he_o have_v forsake_v truth_n for_o it_o be_v not_o long_o after_o that_o he_o tell_v we_o that_o the_o people_n be_v lead_v along_o and_o judge_v the_o doctrine_n by_o the_o pastor_n but_o when_o the_o church_n come_v to_o examine_v she_o judge_v the_o pastor_n by_o their_o doctrine_n and_o this_o 4._o this_o nam_fw-la è_fw-la pastore_n l●…s_n fieri_fw-la pot●…st_fw-la stap._n ibid._n n●…tab_v 4._o he_o say_v be_v necessary_a because_o a_o man_n may_v become_v 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