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A91190 A full reply to certaine briefe observations and anti-queries on Master Prynnes twelve questions about church-government: vvherein the frivolousnesse, falsenesse, and grosse mistakes of this anonymous answerer (ashamed of his name) and his weak grounds for independency, and separation, are modestly discovered, refelled. / By William Prynne of Lincolnes Inne, Esquire. Prynne, William, 1600-1669. 1644 (1644) Wing P3966; Thomason E257_7; ESTC R210038 32,460 24

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l._n 4._o c._n 12_o 13._o l._n 2._o c._n 33._o see_v 35._o el●z_o c._n 1._o †_o see_v 35._o eliz._n c._n 1._o none_o be_v conventicler_n but_o heretic_n or_o schismatic_n who_o whole_o separate_v themselves_o from_o our_o public_a assembly_n establish_v by_o law_n *_o 2_o chro._n 15._o 8_o to_o 16._o c._n 34._o 29_o to_o 33_o 8._o 29_o 10._o ezra_n 10._o 3._o neh._n 9_o 38._o c._n 10._o 1._o etc._n etc._n †_o psal._n ●_z 8_o 9_o psal._n 72._o 8_o to_o 18._o ps._n 82._o 8._o ps._n 86._o 9_o ps._n 65_o ●_z ps._n 67._o 2_o 3._o 4._o 5._o isa._n 2._o 2_o 3._o c._n 9_o 22_o 23._o c._n 11._o 9_o to_o 16._o c._n 54._o 1_o 2_o 3._o c._n 60._o 3._o to_o 22._o mich_n 4._o 1._o to_o 5_o mal._n 1._o 11._o zach._n 8._o 22._o act._n 13._o 46_o 47_o 48._o matth._n 28._o 19_o 20._o mar._n 14._o 15._o rom._n 10._o 18_o 20._o c._n 11._o 4._o isa._n 62._o to_o the_o end_n 1_o pet._n 2._o 9_o 10._o *_o matth._n 3._o 12_o c._n 13._o 24._o to_o 52_o c._n 25._o 32._o 33._o a_o joh._n 6._o 70_o 71_o b_o see_v judge_n samuel_n king_n chronicle_n nehemiah_n ezra_n and_o all_o the_o prophet_n c_o see_v paul_n and_o john_n yea_o christ_n epistle_n to_o they_o rev._n 2_o and_o 3._o 1._o cor._n 11._o 13_o to_o 34._o c._n 12._o 12._o 27._o d_o mat._n 24._o 14._o 15._o c._n 26._o 16._o luk._n 14._o 23_o etc._n etc._n c._n 13._o 23_o 24._o †_o ●_z chro._n 13._o ●●_z to_o 14._o c._n 28_o and_o 29._o 2_o chro._n 5._o 2_o etc._n etc._n c._n 6_o and_o 7._o c._n 15._o 9_o to_o 29_o c._n 17_o 7_o 8_o etc._n etc._n c_o 20_o 3_o 4._o 5._o c._n 24._o ●_z to_o 16._o c._n 29._o 3_o to_o 36._o c._n 30._o v._n 31._o c._n 31._o 29_o to_o the_o end_n c._n 35._o 1_o to_o 19_o ezra_n and_o neh._n throughout_o esth._n 9_o 17._o to_o 32._o *_o dan._n 7_o 9_o 13_o ●●_z *_o 1_o cor._n 13_o 11_o 12._o c._n 14._o 20._o c._n 3._o 1._o 1_o pet._n 2._o 2._o heb._n 5._o 12_o 13_o 14._o 1_o ioh._n 2._o 11._o to_o 15._o ephes._n 4._o 15._o 16_o †_o 1_o tim._n 3_o 6._o †_o ezek._n 16._o 13_o *_o rom_n 13._o 1_o to_o 7._o 1_o tim_n 2_o 1_o 2_o 3._o tit._n 3._o 1_o 1_o pet._n 1._o 2._o to_o 24_o c._n 3._o 1._o 1_o cor._n 7._o 1_o to_o 18._o eph._n 5._o 22._o 23._o c._n 6_o 1._o to_o 10_o col._n 3._o 18_o to_o 25._o †_o see_v my_o catalogue_n etc._n etc._n the_o unbishoping_a of_o timothy_n and_o titus_n a_o breviate_n and_o antipathy_n of_o the_o english_a lordly_a prelacy_n †_o see_v my_o humble_a remonstrance_n against_o ship-money_n *_o deut._n 12._o 8._o judge_n 17._o 6._o 1._o 21._o 25._o †_o yea_o never_o more_o dangerous_a error_n refute_v suppress_v then_o in_o the_o 4._o first_o general_a counsel_n and_o some_o synod_n since_o as_o that_o of_o dort_n and_o other_o protestant_a synod_n in_o the_o harmony_n of_o confession_n where_o therefore_o they_o determine_v right_o you_o must_v submit_v unto_o they_o where_o they_o confirm_v apparent_a dangerous_a error_n there_o you_o may_v vary_v from_o they_o when_o prove_v such_o *_o th●●e_n be_v the_o true_a ground_n of_o all_o s●parations_n esa_n 65._o 5._o luk._n 18._o 10_o to_o 16._o jude_n 18._o 19_o witness_n the_o novatian_n donatist_n of_o old_a the_o several_a order_n of_o monk_n nun_n eremite_n anchorite_n in_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n and_o their_o new_a order_n of_o jesuit_n ●●th_v of_o they_o pret●nding_v more_o sanctity_n and_o strictness_n than_o anoth●r_n and_o so_o sever_a in_o their_o different_a order_n habit_n monastery_n rule_n covenant_n one_o from_o another_o †_o mr._n good●●ns_n theomachia_fw-la p_n 24_o 25._o the_o reply_n of_o two_o of_o the_o brethren_n passion_n *_o epistle_n to_o the_o reader_n and_o p._n g._n 11._o 33._o 4●_z to_o 52._o b_o page_n 18._o 22._o 52._o and_o else_o gamaliell_n himself_o no_o apostle_n nor_o christian_a from_o who_o word_n you_o yet_o take_v your_o text_n as_o gospel_n be_v not_o altogether_o of_o this_o opinion_n *_o see_v epiphanius_n basil_n augustine_n and_o all_o the_o book_n of_o or_o against_o any_o heretic_n and_o sectary_n *_o matth._n 4_o 6._o *_o mat._n 24._o 11._o 23._o to●_z 27._o c._n 7._o 15._o 2_o cor._n 11_o 13._o 14_o 15._o ephes._n 4._o 14._o 2_o thes._n 2._o 9_o 10._o rev._n 13._o 2._o to_o 18._o 2_o ioh_n 10._o 11._o f_o gal._n 2._o 4._o to_o 1●_z *_o rom._n 19_o 15._o 16_o 26._o h_o see_v justinian_n cod._n l._n 1._o tit._n 8._o 1._o eliz._n c._n 2._o 35._o eliz._n c._n 1._o 2._o i_o page_n 21._o 1_o k_o see_v the_o london_n minister_n petition_n against_o it_o l_o see_v 1_o cor._n 21._o 26._o ●_z 10._o 32_o 33._o m_o see_v p._n 30._o to_o 52._o o_o p._n 3_o 4._o 11._o 12._o p_o ezra_n 1._o 1._o to_o the_o end_n c._n 4._o 17._o to_o 24._o ●_z 6._o 2._o to_o 17._o c._n 7._o 12._o to_o 28._o neh_n 2._o 1._o to_o ●7_n 2_o chron._n 36._o 22_o 23._o isay_n 44._o 28._o dan._n 3._o 29._o c._n 6._o 25_o 26_o 27._o jonah_n 3._o 5_o 6_o 7._o r_o act_n 24_o etc._n etc._n 〈◊〉_d and_o 26_o and_o 27_o 28._o 2_o tim._n 4._o 10._o 17._o ſ_o ●_z tim._n 2._o 1_o 2._o 3._o rom._n 13._o 1._o to_o 7._o tit._n 3._o 1_o t_o matt._n 10._o 17_o 18._o 21._o c._n 26_o 27._o q_o tim._n 2._o 1_o jer._n 19_o 7._o v_o page_n 38._o to_o 40._o amos_n 13._o 9_o a._n 15._o act_n 4._o 1._o to_o 24._o c._n 5._o 17._o to_o 4._o c._n 6._o 12_o 13._o c._n 9_o 1_o 2._o 3._o c._n 11._o 2_o ●_z 4._o c._n 16._o 10._o to_o 40._o c._n 18._o 12._o x_o pag._n 30._o 31_o y_o amos_n 3._o 3._o *_o esa._n 9_o 6._o see_v my_o twelve_o question_n p._n 7_o 8._o pag._n 48_o 49_o 50._o this_o he_o ●ore_o ●●fly_o express_v in_o a_o sermon_n in_o febuary_n last_o note_n gamaliell_n and_o your_o text_n never_o teach_v you_o any_o such_o anti-parliamentary_a doctrine_n note_n *_o the_o people_n have_v power_n to_o elect_a prince_n magistrate_n minister_n parliament_n synod_n have_v likewise_o authority_n to_o nominate_v such_o who_o by_o the_o rule_n of_o god_n word_n may_v limit_v these_o particular_n though_o not_o by_o their_o own_o bare_a authority_n without_o or_o against_o the_o word_n †_o every_o magistrate_n parliament_n and_o synod_n have_v power_n to_o declare_v and_o enjoin_v what_o be_v necessary_a to_o be_v believe_v practise_v by_o or_o according_a to_o god_n word_n not_o without_o or_o contrary_a to_o it_o a_o see_v my_o appendix_n to_o the_o sovereign_a power_n of_o parliament_n and_o kingdom_n p._n 122._o to_o 131._o twelve_o considerable_a query_n p._n 4_o 5._o independency_n examine_v p._n 2_o 11_o 12._o b_o page_n 25_o 26_o c_o num._n 22._o 35_o c._n 23_o and_o 24._o 1_o sam._n 10._o act._n 5._o 34_o to_o 40_o joh._n 11._o 49_o to_o 53._o d_o ioh._n 6._o 70_o 71_o mar._n 6._o 7._o to_o 14_o e_o matth._n 5._o 1._o c._n 13._o 1_o 2._o c._n 8._o 18._o c._n 9_o 36._o c._n 14._o 14_o 19_o c._n 11._o 32_o 33_o c._n 21_o 8_o 9_o 10._o luk._n 8._o 17_o 19_o c._n 8._o 44_o 45._o joh._n 6._o 2_o 5._o mar._n 12._o 12_o 37._o luk._n 13_o 17._o c._n 18._o 43._o c._n 2●_z 38._o c_o 22._o 1._o joh._n 7_o 40_o 43._o etc._n etc._n c._n 8._o 2._o act._n 2._o 47._o *_o this_o he_o confess_v and_o appear_v by_o a_o writing_n before_o the_o committee_n of_o plunder_a minister_n *_o or_o as_o well_o as_o himself_o extract_v many_o spiritual_a doctrine_n out_o of_o gamaliel_n secular_a speech_n in_o these_o very_a sermon_n *_o therefore_o your_o principal_a argument_n that_o the_o seven_o particular_a church_n in_o asia_n have_v no_o jurisdiction_n one_o over_o another_o be_v under_o different_a civil_a dominion_n and_o not_o member_n of_o the_o self_n same_o christian_a republic_n ergo_fw-la the_o whole_a parliament_n and_o church_n of_o england_n have_v no_o jurisdiction_n over_o particular_a parish_n church_n or_o independent_a congregation_n in_o england_n be_v a_o mere_a independency_n