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A41785 The prisoner against the prelate, or, A dialogue between the common goal [ie. gaol] and Cathedral of Lincoln wherein the true faith and Church of Christ are briefly discovered & vindicated ... / written by a prisoner of the baptised churches in Lincolnshire. Grantham, Thomas, 1634-1692. 1662 (1662) Wing G1543; ESTC R14165 45,998 94

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