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A15110
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A discoverie of Brownisme: or, a brief declaration of some of the errors and abhominations daily practiced and increased among the English company of the seperation remayning for the present at Amsterdam in Holland. By Thomas White
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White, Thomas, fl. 1605.
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1605
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STC 25408; ESTC S101313
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head_n by_o wicked_a and_o ungodly_a excommunication_n ch_z be_v they_o then_o the_o holy_a assembly_n of_o saint_n march_v in_o such_o a_o heavenly_a order_n after_o the_o lamb_n whether_o soever_o he_o go_v whereunto_o no_o unclean_a thing_n enter_v nor_o remain_v whether_o these_o accusation_n be_v true_a or_o no_o let_v the_o sequel_n declare_v and_o first_o that_o master_n fr._n ih._n have_v utter_o disprove_v the_o main_a drift_n of_o all_o his_o book_n and_o so_o betray_v his_o own_o cause_n as_o christ_n allege_v against_o the_o pharisee_n 27_o the_o example_n of_o their_o own_o child_n that_o they_o may_v be_v their_o judge_n so_o may_v i_o his_o own_o write_n against_o himself_o that_o they_o may_v be_v his_o judge_n which_o thus_o i_o show_v the_o drift_n of_o his_o book_n be_v by_o the_o description_n of_o a_o true_a church_n la._n to_o discover_v the_o false_a this_o description_n as_o oft_o elsewhere_o so_o also_o he_o have_v page_n 196._o last_o answer_n to_o m._n jac_n viz._n that_o a_o true_a visible_a church_n of_o christ_n be_v a_o company_n of_o faithful_a people_n call_v out_o by_o the_o word_n of_o god_n and_o separate_v from_o the_o world_n and_o the_o false_a way_n thereof_o gather_v and_o join_v together_o in_o fellowship_n of_o the_o gospel_n by_o a_o voluntary_a profession_n of_o the_o faith_n and_o obedience_n of_o christ._n and_o his_o meaning_n of_o this_o description_n do_v further_a appear_v by_o compare_v it_o with_o the_o three_o false_a doctrine_n allege_v by_o he_o page_n 158._o of_o the_o same_o book_n as_o also_o with_o the_o 17._o art_n of_o their_o confession_n where_o he_o expound_v it_o by_o separate_a his_o church_n from_o vanity_n idolatry_n dissolute_a life_n and_o all_o false_a work_n of_o darkness_n this_o description_n so_o propound_v and_o expound_v jac_n he_o thus_o overthrow_v page_n 47._o of_o the_o same_o book_n before_o cite_v where_o he_o affirm_v that_o the_o israelite_n in_o egypt_n be_v god_n church_n prove_v it_o by_o exod._n 4._o 22._o 23._o even_o then_o while_o they_o sin_v with_o the_o idol_n of_o egypt_n allege_v ezek._n 20._o if_o they_o commit_v idolatry_n with_o the_o idol_n of_o egypt_n how_o be_v they_o then_o a_o company_n of_o faithful_a people_n separate_v from_o all_o false_a way_n if_o he_o say_v this_o their_o sin_n be_v not_o their_o general_a estate_n 49._o as_o he_o answer_v in_o a_o other_o case_n to_o m._n h._n page_n 49._o the_o place_n quote_v by_o himself_o out_o of_o ezek._n 20._o show_n the_o contrary_a affirm_v none_o of_o they_o to_o have_v for_o saken_a the_o idol_n of_o egypt_n if_o he_o say_v this_o their_o sin_n be_v not_o of_o obstinacy_n the_o same_o scripture_n show_v that_o they_o be_v admonish_v v_o 7._o yet_o they_o rebel_v against_o he_o v_o 8._o and_o as_o for_o the_o nature_n of_o their_o jdolatry_n it_o be_v heathenish_a will_v he_o then_o say_v that_o idolater_n in_o their_o general_a estate_n with_o heathenish_a jdolatrie_n rebel_a after_o admonition_n be_v such_o a_o faithful_a people_n separate_v from_o all_o false_a way_n as_o he_o describe_v a_o true_a church_n to_o be_v if_o not_o how_o be_v they_o god_n church_n to_o use_v tully_n word_n qu._n testimonium_fw-la tuum_fw-la quod_fw-la in_o aliena_fw-la releve_n est_fw-la hoc_fw-la contrate_v grave_n etc._n etc._n thy_o own_o testimony_n which_o in_o a_o other_o case_n be_v of_o small_a weight_n this_o against_o thyself_o be_v of_o much_o moment_n and_o here_o he_o must_v remember_v that_o he_o describe_v not_o a_o true_a church_n what_o it_o ought_v to_o be_v but_o what_o it_o be_v if_o it_o be_v a_o true_a church_n as_o the_o drift_n of_o that_o place_n where_o this_o description_n be_v set_v down_o declare_v as_o that_o 1._o it_o be_v for_o the_o clear_n the_o question_n between_o they_o 196._o 2._o for_o the_o discern_a of_o the_o true_a church_n from_o the_o false_a 3._o bid_v m._n jac_n compare_v their_o best_a asembly_n with_o this_o description_n etc._n etc._n otherwise_o his_o adversary_n may_v have_v answer_v that_o though_o the_o church_n of_o england_n agree_v not_o with_o that_o description_n yet_o may_v they_o have_v be_v true_a church_n notwithstanding_o and_o he_o have_v write_v nothing_o to_o any_o purpose_n against_o he_o moreover_o in_o the_o answer_n to_o the_o preface_n of_o the_o same_o book_n ja._n sect._n 6._o m._n fr._n ih._n thus_o speak_v any_o church_n though_o true_o constitute_v if_o they_o will_v rather_o abide_v in_o error_n then_o obey_v the_o voice_n of_o christ_n be_v not_o true_a church_n and_o yet_o the_o jew_n in_o egypt_n rebel_n after_o admonition_n be_v god_n church_n by_o his_o account_n how_o well_o these_o thing_n hang_v together_o let_v the_o reader_n judge_n in_o like_a manner_n m._n ih._n deny_v not_o page_n 87._o of_o the_o book_n before_o cite_v that_o the_o jew_n in_o christ_n time_n yea_o and_o after_o his_o death_n be_v true_a church_n which_o have_v despise_v admonition_n before_o lu._n 7._o 30._o math._n 23._o 37._o yet_o this_o which_o m._n johns_n acknowledge_v m._n h._n barrow_n call_v blasphemy_n so_o well_o they_o agree_v together_o giff._n be_v it_o possible_a so_o to_o overthrow_v the_o main_a drift_n of_o his_o own_o write_n and_o perceive_v it_o not_o or_o be_v it_o not_o verify_v which_o the_o wise_a man_n speak_v 1_o the_o evil_a man_n be_v snare_v by_o the_o wickedness_n of_o his_o own_o lip_n and_o yet_o this_o book_n he_o say_v he_o do_v not_o make_v alone_o but_o consult_v with_o other_o herein_o and_o namely_o with_o master_n ains-worth_n a_o man_n that_o have_v turn_v his_o coat_n as_o oft_o as_o ever_o d._n b._n if_o not_o often_o who_o he_o term_n approve_v in_o christ_n and_o daniel_n studly_n a_o elder_a of_o their_o church_n a_o man_n not_o alone_o for_o his_o filthiness_n wlth_n his_o wife_n daughter_n other_o but_o also_o for_o support_v of_o manifest_a &_o shameful_a uncleanness_n and_o cozen_v among_o they_o in_o other_o fit_a for_o the_o stew_n they_o to_o be_v a_o elder_a in_o any_o christian_n society_n no_o better_o be_v his_o deal_n in_o condemn_v the_o dutch_a &_o french_a church_n for_o despise_v their_o admonition_n and_o yet_o acknowledge_v the_o jew_n in_o christ_n time_n to_o be_v a_o true_a church_n 〈◊〉_d despise_v more_o admovition_n and_o that_o of_o great_a sin_n than_o ever_o they_o admonish_v the_o elder_n of_o these_o church_n of_o he_o that_o waver_v in_o his_o own_o testimony_n how_o shall_v his_o witness_n be_v receive_v but_o he_o be_v not_o alone_o content_a to_o confute_v m._n ih._n viz_n himself_o except_o he_o do_v also_o by_o his_o description_n cut_v off_o from_o be_v true_a church_n in_o their_o account_n all_o the_o church_n of_o christ_n that_o ever_o have_v be_v since_o the_o apostle_n day_n 2._o now_o be_v yea_o and_o 3._o themselves_o which_o thus_o i_o poove_v if_o no_o church_n that_o have_v be_v since_o the_o apostle_n day_n or_o now_o be_v that_o we_o read_v of_o be_v separate_v from_o all_o 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those_o church_n in_o the_o low_a country_n who_o they_o have_v admonish_v and_o those_o that_o they_o have_v not_o yet_o to_o put_v the_o matter_n out_o of_o doubt_n let_v he_o tell_v we_o if_o they_o account_v it_o not_o apostasy_n for_o one_o of_o they_o so_o much_o as_o once_o to_o hear_v the_o word_n preach_v in_o any_o congregation_n dutch_a or_o french_a in_o all_o the_o low_a country_n beside_o or_o if_o he_o can_v let_v he_o name_v any_o one_o church_n on_o the_o face_n of_o the_o earth_n now_o that_o hold_v not_o false_a way_n yea_o even_o in_o their_o constitution_n in_o their_o account_n neither_o shall_v he_o shift_v off_o the_o matter_n with_o his_o distinction_n of_o faultye_n and_o false_a worship_n for_o when_o he_o have_v put_v down_o the_o difference_n whereby_o he_o distinguish_v the_o one_o from_o
other_o particular_n whereof_o some_o shall_v be_v after_o mention_v a_o angry_a man_n stir_v up_o strife_n and_o a_o furious_a man_n abound_v intransgression_n 2._o the_o pastoâ—_n of_o the_o true_a church_n must_v be_v love_v &_o compassionate_a but_o their_o pastor_n unnatural_a &_o unmerciful_a &_o that_o to_o his_o own_o father_n yea_o for_o the_o time_n which_o his_o father_n be_v with_o his_o brother_n g._n i._n he_o will_v not_o so_o much_o as_o once_o see_v he_o or_o relieve_v his_o necessity_n s._n though_o he_o be_v not_o yet_o excommunicate_v from_o they_o this_o i_o hear_v justify_v to_o his_o face_n before_o many_o witness_n 20._o and_o he_o can_v not_o deny_v it_o so_o true_a it_o be_v that_o he_o that_o beget_v a_o fool_n beget_v himself_o sorrow_n as_o the_o wise_a man_n speak_v for_o the_o teacher_n 1._o the_o teacher_n of_o a_o true_a church_n be_v sincere_a their_o teacher_n stein_v with_o hypocrisy_n as_o in_o his_o deal_v concern_v g._n ay_o m._n slightall_n 2._o the_o teacher_n of_o a_o true_a church_n must_v be_v unreprovable_a 3._o but_o their_o teacher_n be_v spot_v again_o and_o again_o with_o apostasy_n in_o their_o account_n as_o before_o have_v be_v note_v 3_o the_o teacher_n of_o the_o true_a church_n must_v take_v diligent_a care_n to_o keep_v the_o church_n from_o error_n their_o teacher_n have_v be_v a_o mean_n to_o bring_v in_o and_o defend_v false_a doctrine_n as_o the_o latter_a of_o those_o two_o before_o mention_v and_o other_o that_o may_v be_v allege_v for_o the_o elder_n 1._o the_o elder_n of_o a_o true_a church_n must_v be_v endue_v with_o the_o spirit_n of_o god_n their_o elder_a da_fw-la sy_n with_o the_o spirit_n of_o uncleanes_n 2._o the_o elder_n of_o a_o true_a church_n must_v see_v the_o law_n of_o god_n keep_v their_o elder_n will_v defend_v the_o transgress_a of_o they_o in_o himself_o and_o other_o 3._o the_o elder_n of_o a_o true_a church_n do_v govern_v their_o own_o house_n orderly_o but_o the_o elder_n mention_v most_o disorderly_a as_o else_o where_o be_v cite_v 4._o the_o elder_n aforesaid_a must_v be_v love_v their_o elder_a d_o sy_n cruel_a and_o tyrannical_a in_o so_o much_o that_o some_o of_o their_o own_o member_n have_v complain_v other_o that_o if_o they_o have_v a_o matter_n as_o clear_a as_o the_o sun_n against_o he_o yet_o dare_v they_o not_o deal_v with_o he_o for_o it_o 5._o the_o elder_n of_o a_o true_a church_n must_v be_v unreprovable_a but_o their_o elder_a st_n mer_n have_v as_o their_o teacher_n be_v note_v for_o apostasy_n for_o the_o deacon_n 1._o the_o deacon_n of_o the_o true_a church_n of_o christ_n must_v have_v a_o pure_a conscience_n &_o must_v not_o be_v give_v to_o filthy_a lucre_n but_o their_o deacon_n christoph_n bow_n for_o his_o deceive_n of_o many_o poor_a even_o of_o their_o own_o company_n of_o half_a that_o which_o the_o magistrate_n of_o narden_n have_v give_v they_o weekelye_o be_v thereupon_o when_o it_o come_v to_o light_v through_o widow_n colgate_n mean_v call_v judas_n the_o purse-bearer_n in_o narden_n for_o so_o do_v not_o to_o speak_v of_o many_o such_o like_a instance_n that_o by_o he_o may_v be_v give_v and_o for_o the_o elder_n joint_o 1._o the_o church_n of_o christ_n do_v private_o admonish_v a_o private_a sin_n of_o a_o holy_a &_o love_a affection_n but_o their_o elder_n can_v call_v r_o w_n before_o they_o in_o the_o first_o place_n for_o a_o private_a thing_n &_o threaten_v her_o excommunication_n for_o that_o which_o after_o ward_n for_o shame_n they_o let_v fall_v and_o for_o the_o people_n uncleanes_n cozen_v disgrace_v backebiting_a &_o undermine_v one_o of_o another_o among_o themselves_o it_o be_v a_o thing_n so_o common_a and_o well_o know_v of_o they_o at_o home_o and_o abroad_o that_o i_o need_v not_o in_o this_o place_n to_o speak_v further_o of_o it_o heaven_n and_o earth_n can_v bear_v i_o witness_v against_o they_o in_o those_o thing_n oh_o that_o they_o will_v apply_v unto_o themselves_o and_o their_o practice_n that_o which_o the_o prophet_n jeremie_n speak_v will_v they_o steal_v murder_n and_o commit_v adultery_n etc._n etc._n and_o yet_o cry_v the_o temple_n of_o the_o lord_n the_o temple_n of_o the_o lord_n be_v these_o then_o this_o beautiful_a yea_o most_o wonderful_a church_n ravish_v the_o sense_n to_o conceive_v of_o it_o be_v these_o the_o saint_n then_o march_v in_o such_o a_o heavenly_a and_o gracious_a array_n where_o every_o stone_n have_v his_o beauty_n his_o burden_n and_o his_o order_n where_o no_o law_n be_v wrongful_o wrest_v or_o wilful_o neglect_v no_o truth_n hide_v or_o pervert_v or_o rather_o have_v they_o not_o delude_v many_o poor_a soul_n with_o such_o sweet_a word_n who_o when_o they_o have_v see_v their_o estate_n and_o their_o expectation_n so_o frustrate_v have_v use_v these_o word_n they_o need_v never_o separate_v themselves_o e.h._n if_o they_o live_v thus_o for_o any_o godly_a society_n will_v quick_o thrust_v they_o out_o from_o they_o so_o practise_v as_o they_o do_v certain_o this_o their_o description_n of_o a_o visible_a church_n be_v as_o clear_v a_o testimony_n and_o as_o pregnant_a a_o sentence_n of_o condemnation_n against_o themselves_o and_o their_o practice_n as_o may_v be_v possible_a but_o yet_o that_o their_o hypocrisy_n may_v further_o appear_v let_v i_o give_v the_o reader_n a_o taste_n also_o of_o their_o deal_n in_o condemn_v other_o even_o in_o those_o thing_n that_o they_o will_v and_o do_v practice_v themselves_o &_o that_o in_o these_o particular_n 1._o they_o condemn_v other_o 157._o for_o communicate_v with_o open_a offender_n and_o yet_o practice_v it_o themselves_o as_o be_v before_o show_v 2._o for_o make_v man_n to_o swear_v to_o accuse_v themselves_o landen_n yet_o m._n ih._n practise_v the_o same_o to_o one_o i._n l_o and_o it_o be_v moreover_o a_o common_a practice_n among_o they_o both_o public_o and_o private_o so_o to_o do_v yet_o will_v their_o elder_a dan_n studly_n never_o so_o much_o as_o deny_v the_o matter_n of_o incest_n with_o his_o wife_n daughter_n for_o the_o clear_n of_o himself_o though_o he_o be_v request_v for_o the_o satisfy_n of_o weak_a btetheren_n so_o to_o do_v 3._o they_o condemn_v the_o dutch_a church_n page_n for_o baptise_v the_o seed_n of_o those_o that_o be_v not_o member_n of_o their_o church_n and_o yet_o m._n johnson_n with_o the_o rest_n can_v offer_v to_o receive_v m._n deuksberies_n child_n to_o baptism_n and_o be_v offend_v at_o g_o ay_o joh._n for_o witstanding_n it_o and_o yet_o he_o neither_o be_v nor_o will_v join_v himself_o as_o a_o member_n unto_o they_o 4._o in_o like_a manner_n do_v they_o deal_v with_o the_o dutch_a church_n of_o amsterdam_n multitude_n for_o have_v but_o one_o church_n in_o the_o city_n and_o yet_o m._n johnson_n to_o urge_v other_o to_o join_v to_o they_o which_o for_o diverse_a disorder_n among_o they_o will_v not_o so_o do_v can_v allege_v that_o there_o be_v no_o warrant_n for_o two_o several_a church_n to_o be_v in_o one_o city_n in_o the_o scripture_n 5._o in_o the_o place_n above_o quote_v they_o give_v the_o like_a sentence_n against_o the_o dutch_a and_o french_a church_n for_o decide_v matter_n by_o the_o elder_n without_o the_o body_n of_o the_o church_n and_o not_o suffer_v in_o this_o respect_n the_o 18._o of_o mat_n right_o to_o be_v observe_v among_o they_o and_o yet_o their_o elder_n viz_n m._n fr_n ih._n and_o his_o fellow_n can_v decide_v one_o t._n canadyes_n matter_n who_o have_v accuse_v himself_o to_o be_v rid_v of_o his_o wife_n adultery_n and_o this_o without_o their_o knowledge_n or_o consent_n but_o the_o say_v canady_n not_o rest_v in_o the_o elder_n determination_n bring_v it_o to_o their_o church_n allege_v that_o he_o have_v injury_n do_v to_o he_o holder_n in_o that_o with_o h_n can_v be_v separate_a from_o his_o wife_n on_o his_o own_o accusation_n of_o himself_o of_o adultery_n &_o he_o can_v not_o and_o further_o to_o justify_v the_o bring_n of_o matter_n in_o the_o three_o place_n to_o their_o elder_n for_o so_o they_o practise_v before_o the_o matter_n be_v bring_v to_o the_o whole_a church_n they_o can_v allege_v the_o very_a same_o reason_n against_o m._n p._n that_o they_o have_v before_o condemn_v in_o the_o dutch._n and_o for_o the_o 18_o of_o mat._n how_o it_o be_v make_v a_o matter_n of_o partiality_n and_o envy_n yea_o a_o cloak_n to_o cover_v filthiness_n withal_o at_o eveuery_n pinch_v among_o they_o will_v grieve_v one_o heart_n to_o consider_v 6._o they_o condemn_v the_o dutch_a &_o french_a aforesaid_a for_o worship_v god_n in_o the_o idol_n temple_n of_o antichrist_n yet_o themselves_o suffer_v their_o poor_a to_o receive_v the_o alm_n of_o the_o dutch_a which_o be_v a_o sacrifice_n phil_n 4._o 18._o in_o the_o same_o