Selected quad for the lemma: church_n

Word A	Word B	Word C	Word D	Occurrence	Frequency Band	MI	MI Band	Prominent
church_n	administer_v	baptism_n	true_a	3,320	5	5.9973	4	false

Text snippets containing the quad

ID	Title	Author	Corrected Date of Publication (TCP Date of Publication)	STC	Words	Pages
A69195	Certaine demandes with their grounds, drawne out of holy writ, and propounded in foro conscientiæ by some religious gentl. vnto the reverend fathers, Richard archbishop of Canterbury, Richard bishop of London, William bishop of Lincolne, Garvase bishop of Worcester, William bishop of Exeter, & Thomas bishop of Peterbourough wherevnto the said gentl. require that it would please their lordships to make a true, plaine, direct, honest and resolute aunswere.	Bancroft, Richard, 1544-1610.	1605 (1605)	STC 6572.5; ESTC S112734	57,418	70

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can_v decree_v or_o impose_v any_o rite_n and_o ceremony_n be_v relic_n monument_n or_o memorial_n of_o idolatry_n to_o be_v use_v no_o not_o for_o order_n sake_n in_o the_o worship_n of_o the_o true_a god_n because_o the_o use_n of_o all_o relic_n monument_n and_o memorials_n of_o idolatry_n in_o divine_a worship_n be_v not_o a_o thing_n not_o only_o not_o indifferent_a but_o a_o thing_n in_o all_o respect_n mere_o and_o absolute_o unlawful_a and_o therefore_o it_o import_v your_o lordship_n to_o prove_v unto_o we_o by_o some_o holy_a writ_n the_o contrary_a of_o that_o which_o we_o affirm_v namely_o that_o the_o use_n of_o all_o relic_n monument_n and_o memorials_n of_o idolatry_n as_o thing_n indifferent_a for_o order_n sake_n may_v be_v decree_v by_o the_o church_n and_o enjoin_v by_o the_o christian_a magistrate_n in_o the_o worship_n of_o god_n what_o we_o have_v allege_v out_o of_o holy_a writ_n for_o the_o proof_n of_o our_o general_a negative_a your_o lordship_n have_v see_v and_o read_v and_o now_o we_o wait_v and_o expect_v that_o you_o will_v produce_v your_o strong_a reason_n for_o the_o proof_n of_o your_o general_a affirmative_a our_o general_a negative_a be_v this_o no_o relic_n monument_n or_o memorial_n of_o idolatry_n may_v lawful_o be_v decree_v by_o the_o church_n or_o enjoin_v by_o the_o christian_a magistrate_n to_o be_v use_v by_o the_o minister_n and_o servant_n of_o christ_n as_o indifferent_a rite_n and_o ceremony_n for_o order_n sake_n in_o the_o worship_n of_o god_n and_o if_o none_o than_o not_o your_o cope_n surplice_n cross_n etc._n etc._n your_o lordship_n affirmation_n all_o relic_n monument_n and_o memorial_n of_o idolatry_n may_v lawful_o be_v decree_v by_o the_o church_n and_o enjoin_v by_o the_o christian_a magistrate_n to_o be_v use_v by_o the_o minister_n &_o servant_n of_o christ_n as_o indifferent_a rite_n &_o ceremony_n for_o order_n sake_n in_o the_o worship_n of_o god_n and_o if_o all_o why_o not_o then_o a_o friar_n cowl_n for_o a_o archbishop_n a_o monk_n hood_n for_o a_o bishop_n a_o shave_a crown_n for_o a_o deane_n and_o a_o shave_a chin_n for_o a_o archdeacon_n but_o now_o alas_o alas_o to_o add_v and_o to_o speak_v but_o one_o word_n touch_v the_o use_n of_o these_o rite_n etc._n etc._n appoint_v by_o your_o synod_n for_o order_n sake_n may_v not_o we_o and_o all_o the_o church_n take_v up_o a_o complaint_n and_o lamentable_o cry_v say_v alas_o alas_o what_o be_v it_o not_o possible_a for_o your_o sacred_a synod_n assemble_v as_o you_o say_v in_o the_o name_n of_o christ_n but_o that_o the_o same_o must_v decree_v popish_a and_o idolatrous_a rite_n and_o ceremony_n to_o be_v still_o continue_v in_o the_o church_n for_o order_n sake_n or_o be_v it_o not_o possible_a for_o your_o sacred_a synod_n assemble_v as_o you_o say_v in_o the_o name_n of_o christ_n but_o that_o the_o same_o must_v needs_o devise_v and_o decree_v such_o rite_n and_o ceremony_n for_o order_n sake_n as_o by_o the_o use_n whereof_o your_o weak_a brethren_n the_o servante_n of_o christ_n can_v not_o be_v but_o tempt_v and_o captious_o ensnare_v or_o be_v it_o not_o possible_a for_o your_o synod_n to_o have_v use_v their_o judgement_n but_o to_o the_o peril_n of_o the_o soul_n of_o their_o brethren_n but_o to_o put_v occasion_n of_o fall_v and_o of_o stumble_v before_o their_o brethren_n but_o by_o your_o patience_n sir_n we_o abhor_v the_o popish_a pollution_n of_o the_o surplice_n bb._n of_o the_o cross_n and_o of_o the_o idolatrous_a kneel_v to_o a_o piece_n of_o bread_n and_o as_o we_o take_v not_o our_o garment_n rite_n and_o ceremony_n from_o the_o papist_n but_o from_o their_o better_n so_o we_o profess_v the_o detestation_n of_o their_o superstitious_a abuse_n and_o restore_v they_o to_o their_o ancient_a