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A77739 A confutation of the Anabaptists, and all others who affect not civill government; proving the lawfullnesse of it: and a full answer to all their cavills, that are, or can be made against it. With a nut-cracker for an unnaturall nut, whose shell is as hard as the scales of Leviathan, and the kernell of his heart as hard as a piece of the nether mill-stone, Iob 41.15.24. yet the hammer of Gods word that breaketh in pieces the rocks, Ier. 23.29. will break this nut, that all may see the devillish kernell that is in it. Also arguments against the Anabaptists, proving that infants borne of Christian parents ought to be baptized: with a full answer to all their cavills that are (or can be) made against it. Imprimatur Ja. Cranford. Bakewell, Thomas, b. 1618 or 19. 1644 (1644) Wing B530; Thomason E51_20; ESTC R209932 98,225 89

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all_o that_o be_v with_o he_o to_o enter_v into_o a_o protestation_n against_o all_o popery_n and_o popish_a innovation_n and_o all_o that_o take_v it_o be_v ever_o after_n ward_v call_v protestant_n and_o we_o in_o this_o kingdom_n have_v take_v the_o very_a same_o protestation_n against_o all_o popery_n and_o popish_a innovation_n and_o i_o doubt_v not_o but_o we_o have_v many_o among_o we_o who_o will_v hazard_v life_n and_o state_n and_o all_o they_o have_v to_o maintain_v that_o protestation_n and_o through_o god_n mercy_n will_v prove_v themselves_o good_a protestant_n now_o for_o calvin_n institution_n i_o do_v not_o call_v it_o so_o as_o if_o he_o have_v make_v it_o of_o his_o own_o head_n but_o as_o a_o faithful_a servant_n of_o jesus_n christ_n he_o have_v faithful_o declare_v all_o the_o counsel_n of_o god_n as_o paul_n do_v act_v 20.27_o that_o all_o may_v see_v what_o a_o church_n christ_n have_v institute_v in_o his_o word_n and_o the_o great_a blessing_n of_o god_n upon_o this_o man_n labour_n and_o upon_o all_o that_o walk_v in_o the_o same_o step_n dear_a christian_a and_o loyal_a subject_n thou_o that_o endevoure_v to_o have_v a_o conscience_n void_a of_o offence_n both_o towards_o god_n and_o towards_o man_n act_n 24.16_o thou_o that_o rendere_v to_o god_n his_o due_a and_o to_o caesar_n his_o due_n thou_o that_o obeye_v both_o the_o first_o and_o second_o table_n of_o the_o law_n thou_o that_o fear_v god_n and_o honour'_v the_o king_n and_o submit_v thyself_o to_o every_o ordinance_n of_o man_n for_o the_o lord_n sake_n i_o say_v to_o thou_o be_v faithful_a to_o the_o death_n and_o thou_o shall_v have_v the_o crown_n of_o life_n rev._n 2.10_o you_o shall_v be_v hate_v of_o all_o man_n say_v christ_n for_o my_o name_n sake_n but_o he_o that_o hold_v out_o to_o the_o end_n the_o same_o shall_v be_v save_v matth._n 10.22_o and_o for_o those_o that_o do_v in_o any_o case_n dash_v against_o god_n law_n or_o man_n law_n i_o will_v entreat_v they_o to_o read_v this_o book_n with_o a_o impartial_a eye_n and_o it_o may_v be_v they_o may_v see_v their_o error_n and_o if_o so_o than_o i_o will_v entreat_v they_o to_o imitate_v the_o faithful_a christian_a and_o loyal_a subject_n and_o so_o as_o they_o grow_v in_o strength_n and_o wisdom_n they_o shall_v grow_v in_o favour_n with_o god_n and_o man_n as_o our_o perfect_a pattern_n do_v jesus_n christ_n who_o say_v learn_v of_o i_o who_o be_o meek_a and_o lowly_a in_o heart_n and_o you_o shall_v find_v rest_n for_o your_o soul_n matth._n 11.29_o and_o so_o i_o commend_v thou_o to_o god_n and_o the_o word_n of_o his_o grace_n which_o be_v able_a to_o build_v thou_o up_o and_o to_o give_v thou_o a_o inheritance_n among_o all_o they_o that_o be_v sanctify_v act_v 20.32_o now_o the_o god_n of_o pe●ce_n that_o bring_v again_o from_o the_o dead_a our_o lord_n jesus_n that_o great_a shepherd_n of_o the_o sheep_n through_o the_o blood_n of_o the_o everlasting_a covenant_n make_v thou_o perfect_a in_o every_o good_a work_n to_o do_v his_o will_n work_v in_o thou_o that_o which_o be_v well_o please_v in_o his_o sight_n through_o jesus_n christ_n to_o who_o be_v glory_n for_o ever_o and_o ever_o amen_o hebr._n 13.20_o 21._o thou_o in_o the_o lord_n jesus_n thomas_n bakewell_n the_o errata_fw-la some_o fault_n have_v escape_v the_o pressc_n and_o because_o the_o number_n of_o page_n be_v not_o sot_n i_o must_v direct_v thou_o to_o they_o by_o the_o letter_n on_o the_o low_a and_o on_o the_o first_o b._n l._n 20._o for_o god_n r._n go_n on_o the_o backside_n l._n 5._o for_o if_o r._n for_o on_o the_o second_o b._n l._n 1._o leaveout_o to_o on_o the_o bakside_n of_o the_o second_o d._n l._n 35._o put_v in_o be_v on_o the_o first_o h._n l._n 25._o put_v in_o call_v on_o the_o backside_n of_o the_o second_o h._n l._n 11._o for_o of_o r._n as_o l._n 40._o for_o prophet●r_n path_n on_o the_o backside_n of_o the_o three_o i._o l._n 35._o put_v in_o not_o on_o the_o second_o k._n l._n 1._o put_v in_o the_o mean_n of_o on_o the_o blank_a of_o k._n l._n 11._o for_o gervenus_n r._n servetus_n on_o the_o backside_n l._n 13._o for_o church_n r._n witness_n on_o the_o first_o l._n l._n 8._o put_v in_o the._n on_o the_o backside_n l._n 36._o for_o if_o r._n that_o l._n 35._o leave_v out_o no._n a_o confutation_n of_o the_o anabaptist_n and_o all_o other_o who_o affect_v not_o civil_a government_n prove_v the_o lawfulness_n of_o it_o and_o a_o full_a answer_n to_o all_o their_o cavil_n that_o be_v or_o can_v be_v make_v against_o it_o there_o be_v two_o main_a argument_n to_o prove_v the_o lawfulness_n of_o civil_a government_n among_o christian_n first_o civil_a government_n be_v very_o necessary_a and_o that_o appear_v in_o many_o particulars_n such_o as_o these_o it_o be_v necessary_a to_o defend_v the_o outward_a worship_v of_o god_n and_o to_o defend_v the_o sound_a doctrine_n of_o godliness_n and_o the_o state_n of_o the_o church_n and_o to_o frame_v our_o life_n to_o the_o fellowship_n of_o man_n and_o to_o fashion_v our_o manner_n to_o civil_a righteousness_n and_o to_o procure_v we_o into_o friendship_n one_o with_o another_o and_o to_o nourish_v common_a peace_n and_o quietness_n now_o while_o we_o be_v here_o we_o stand_v in_o need_n of_o such_o help_n so_o then_o the_o thought_n of_o put_v down_o civil_a government_n be_v outrageous_a cruelty_n for_o we_o stand_v in_o as_o much_o need_n of_o it_o as_o of_o our_o bread_n and_o water_n the_o sun_n and_o the_o air_n yea_o the_o dignity_n of_o it_o be_v far_o more_o excellent_a for_o if_o there_o be_v no_o civil_a government_n man_n can_v not_o live_v together_o the_o outrageousness_n of_o man_n nature_n will_v be_v so_o boundless_a again_o if_o it_o be_v not_o for_o civil_a government_n it_o be_v unpossible_a to_o uphold_v the_o true_a religion_n for_o all_o manner_n of_o wickedness_n will_v so_o abound_v as_o idolatry_n and_o sacrilege_n against_o the_o name_n of_o god_n and_o blasphemy_n against_o his_o truth_n and_o all_o manner_n of_o sin_n for_o the_o man_n micah_n have_v his_o house_n of_o god_n in_o those_o day_n there_o be_v no_o king_n in_o israel_n but_o every_o man_n do_v that_o which_o be_v right_a in_o his_o o●●ne_a eye_n judge_n 17.5.6_o and_o he_o consecrate_v a_o levite_n to_o idolatry_n &_o put_v ●●m_fw-la in_o his_o house_n of_o god_n &_o say_v now_o i_o know_v that_o the_o lord_n will_v do_v i_o good_a in_o those_o day_n there_o be_v no_o king_n in_o israel_n ver_fw-la 12.13_o chap._n 18.1_o the_o levite_n wife_n play_v the_o whore_n and_o go_v from_o he_o and_o be_v afterward_o force_v to_o death_n in_o those_o day_n there_o be_v no_o king_n in_o israel_n chap._n 19.1.2.25_o the_o child_n of_o israel_n have_v swear_v say_v curse_a be_v he_o that_o give_v a_o wife_n to_o benjamin_n yet_o they_o dispense_v with_o their_o oath_n and_o give_v their_o daughter_n to_o they_o in_o those_o day_n there_o be_v no_o king_n in_o israel_n every_o man_n do_v that_o which_o be_v right_a in_o his_o own_o eye_n chap._n 21.18.25_o now_o the_o civil_a government_n restrain_v all_o these_o outrageous_a abomination_n among_o the_o people_n that_o common_a peace_n be_v not_o disturb_v that_o every_o man_n may_v keep_v his_o own_o in_o safety_n that_o man_n may_v use_v their_o affair_n together_o without_o hurt_n or_o danger_n that_o honesty_n and_o modesty_n may_v be_v keep_v and_o that_o among_o christian_n there_o may_v be_v a_o profession_n of_o religion_n and_o that_o among_o man_n may_v be_v a_o man_n like_o civility_n so_o then_o this_o ordinance_n of_o policy_n be_v to_o defend_v the_o true_a religion_n which_o be_v contain_v in_o the_o law_n of_o god_n that_o it_o be_v not_o open_o and_o sacriledgious_o break_v and_o defile_v the_o second_o main_a ground_n to_o prove_v the_o lawfulness_n of_o civil_a government_n be_v take_v from_o the_o honourable_a title_n that_o god_n be_v please_v to_o put_v upon_o it_o when_o he_o commend_v it_o unto_o we_o those_o who_o it_o please_v god_n to_o put_v in_o the_o place_n of_o magistrate_n they_o be_v call_v god_n i_o have_v say_v you_o be_v god_n psal_n 82.6_o and_o this_o be_v of_o no_o small_a importance_n for_o thereby_o be_v signify_v that_o they_o have_v commandment_n from_o god_n and_o that_o they_o be_v furnish_v with_o the_o authority_n of_o god_n and_o do_v altogether_o bear_v the_o person_n of_o god_n who_o place_n they_o do_v after_o a_o certain_a manner_n supply_v see_v john_n 10.35_o if_o the_o scripture_n say_v he_o call_v they_o god_n unto_o who_o the_o word_n of_o god_n be_v give_v which_o be_v his_o word_n of_o command_n be_v a_o word_n of_o authority_n what_o be_v this_o
will_v allow_v they_o to_o be_v under_o a_o christian_a magistrate_n but_o not_o under_o a_o infidel_n first_o whereas_o whitgift_n say_v there_o be_v in_o the_o primitive_a church_n senior_n but_o it_o be_v before_o there_o be_v any_o christian_a prince_n or_o magistrate_n second_o and_o that_o god_n have_v give_v the_o chief_a authority_n of_o government_n in_o the_o church_n to_o to_o the_o christian_a magistrate_n three_o that_o if_o there_o be_v a_o seniory_n establish_v there_o can_v remain_v no_o authority_n ecclesiastical_a to_o the_o civil_a magistrate_n i_o answer_v if_o the_o office_n of_o senior_n under_o a_o tyrant_n have_v meddle_v with_o any_o part_n of_o the_o office_n of_o the_o magistrate_n than_o so_o much_o as_o they_o exercise_v of_o the_o office_n of_o the_o magistrate_n so_o much_o shall_v have_v cease_v but_o the_o elders_n be_v to_o assist_v the_o pastor_n in_o matter_n ecclesiastical_a only_o and_o not_o in_o civil_a therefore_o it_o ought_v to_o be_v in_o time_n of_o peace_n aswell_o as_o in_o time_n of_o persecution_n and_o if_o a_o tyrant-magistrate_n can_v suffer_v they_o it_o be_v evident_a that_o they_o do_v not_o offend_v against_o his_o office_n second_o there_o be_v senior_n among_o the_o jew_n under_o godly_a king_n and_o in_o time_n of_o peace_n then_o why_o may_v it_o not_o be_v so_o among_o christian_n three_o the_o ecclesiastical_a power_n be_v distinct_a from_o the_o civil_a both_o in_o the_o subject_n object_n and_o end_n so_o that_o the_o one_o do_v not_o h●nder_v the_o other_o the_o magistrate_n power_n be_v to_o punish_v the_o outward_a man_n with_o outward_a punishment_n which_o the_o presbytery_n can_v hinder_v and_o he_o may_v civil_o bind_v who_o the_o presbytery_n spiritual_o lose_v and_o he_o may_v civil_o loose_v who_o the_o presbytery_n spiritual_o bind_v last_o the_o magistrate_n seek_v not_o the_o repentance_n and_o salvation_n of_o the_o delinquent_n by_o his_o punishment_n as_o the_o presbytery_n do_v be_v only_o seek_v to_o maintain_v the_o authority_n of_o his_o law_n and_o the_o quinone_n and_o preservation_n of_o the_o commonwealth_n so_o that_o a_o delinquent_n by_o repentance_n can_v escape_v the_o civil_a magistrate_n four_o the_o magistrate_n can_v determine_v question_n of_o faith_n nor_o know_v what_o order_n and_o decency_n in_o circumstance_n be_v fit_a for_o each_o congregation_n neither_o can_v he_o excommunicate_v offender_n for_o when_o the_o prelate_n exercise_v ecclesiastical_a jurisdiction_n and_o civil_a also_o they_o do_v wrong_a both_o to_o the_o prince_n and_o also_o to_o the_o presbytery_n five_o when_o presbyter_n be_v establish_v in_o their_o full_a power_n there_o remain_v much_o power_n to_o the_o prince_n even_o in_o thing_n ecclesiastical_a as_o to_o take_v diligent_a heed_n to_o the_o whole_a state_n of_o the_o church_n within_o his_o dominion_n to_o indict_v synod_n and_o civil_o to_o proceed_v in_o the_o same_o to_o ratify_v the_o constitution_n thereof_o to_o add_v unto_o they_o the_o strength_n of_o a_o civil_a power_n to_o punish_v heretic_n and_o all_o that_o disobey_v the_o assembly_n of_o the_o church_n to_o see_v that_o no_o matter_n ecclesiastical_a be_v carry_v factious_o or_o rash_o but_o that_o such_o thing_n be_v determine_v in_o free_a assembly_n to_o provide_v for_o scholar_n college_n and_o church_n that_o all_o corrupt_a way_n of_o enter_v into_o the_o ministry_n by_o simony_n bribe_v or_o otherwise_o be_v repre_v and_o last_o to_o compel_v all_o man_n to_o do_v their_o duty_n according_a to_o the_o word_n of_o god_n and_o the_o law_n of_o the_o church_n so_o then_o the_o civil_a magistrate_n be_v to_o leave_v untouched_a that_o power_n which_o belong_v to_o the_o ecclesiastical_a ruler_n as_o the_o minister_n of_o the_o gospel_n rule_v elder_n and_o deacon_n for_o ecclesiastical_a do_v not_o hinder_v the_o civil_a in_o their_o administration_n six_o be_v it_o so_o that_o prelate_n exclaim_v against_o presbiteriall_a government_n let_v we_o retort_v their_o exclamation_n back_o upon_o their_o ownhead_n as_o elishah_n do_v in_o another_o case_n say_v it_o be_v thou_o and_o thy_o father_n house_n that_o trouble_a israel_n so_o i_o say_v it_o be_v the_o prelacy_n not_o the_o presbytery_n that_o be_v prejudicial_a to_o the_o power_n of_o prince_n and_o have_v often_o encroach_v upon_o the_o same_o as_o for_o example_n the_o bishop_n assemble_v in_o the_o 8._o council_n of_o constantinople_n ordain_v that_o bishop_n shall_v not_o light_v from_o their_o horse_n when_o they_o chance_v to_o meet_v prince_n nor_o base_o bow_v before_o they_o and_o if_o any_o prince_n shall_v cause_v a_o bishop_n to_o disparage_v himself_o by_o do_v otherwise_o he_o shall_v be_v excommunicate_v for_o two_o year_n canon_n 14._o and_o in_o the_o same_o council_n canon_n 17._o they_o also_o discharge_v prince_n from_o be_v present_a in_o any_o synod_n except_o the_o occumenick_n so_o much_o for_o answer_v to_o whitgift_n now_o for_o saraviah_n who_o allow_v such_o elder_n as_o the_o jewish_a church_n have_v to_o be_v join_v now_o with_o pastor_n under_o a_o christian_a magistrate_n but_o not_o under_o a_o infidel_n magistrate_n but_o this_o man_n take_v the_o jewish_a elder_n to_o be_v their_o magistrate_n and_o so_o he_o affirm_v that_o none_o but_o christian_a magistrate_n ought_v to_o sit_v with_o the_o minister_n of_o the_o word_n in_o ecclesiastical_a court_n as_o prince_n and_o noble_n in_o general_a or_o nationall_n counsel_n and_o that_o magistrate_n of_o city_n shall_v sit_v in_o particular_a consistory_n but_o this_o be_v as_o foul_a a_o error_n as_o that_o of_o wh●gift_n for_o you_o see_v a_o plain_a distinction_n between_o the_o power_n ecclesiastical_a and_o the_o civil_a both_o in_o the_o subject_n object_n and_o end_n as_o i_o show_v before_o and_o that_o the_o one_o be_v not_o to_o touch_v or_o to_o meddle_v with_o the_o office_n of_o the_o other_o now_o if_o the_o christian_a magistrate_n 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