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A85312 Of schism. Parochial congregations in England, and ordination by imposition of hands. Wherein Dr. Owen's discovery of the true nature of schism is briefly and friendly examined, together with Mr. Noyes of New England his arguments against imposition of hands in ordination. / By Giles Firmin, sometime of new England, now pastor of the Church at Shalford in Essex. Firmin, Giles, 1614-1697. 1658 (1658) Wing F958; Thomason E1819_1; ESTC R209761 90,499 170

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and_o not_o join_v with_o they_o in_o the_o supper_n wherein_o they_o show_v themselves_o to_o be_v one_o bread_n chap._n 10.17_o and_o other_o ordinance_n dinance_n do_v they_o not_o manifest_o show_v a_o breach_n of_o that_o unity_n which_o the_o lord_n require_v must_v i_o not_o say_v cephas_n you_o and_o your_o company_n be_v high_o guilty_a of_o schism_n let_v the_o reader_n judge_n thus_o then_o stand_v the_o argument_n if_o causeless_a separation_n from_o a_o church_n be_v a_o solution_n of_o that_o unity_n god_n require_v in_o his_o body_n then_o causeless_a separation_n from_o a_o church_n be_v schism_n but_o the_o antecedent_n be_v true_a ergo_fw-la the_o consequent_a be_v true_a the_o consequence_n be_v clear_a 2._o in_o case_n these_o who_o make_v the_o division_n in_o corinth_n have_v separate_v from_o the_o other_o member_n the_o doctor_n grant_v it_o have_v be_v a_o great_a sin_n rev._n p._n 68_o since_o than_o we_o must_v not_o call_v it_o schism_n let_v the_o doctor_n 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schismatical_a church_n yet_o a_o true_a church_n hence_o i_o say_v a_o causeless_a separation_n &c_n &c_n may_v be_v schism_n i._n e._n suppose_v they_o hold_v to_o what_o before_o i_o mention_v else_o it_o fall_v from_o the_o faith_n etc._n etc._n it_o have_v be_v apostasy_n and_o not_o proper_o schism_n unless_o you_o will_v say_v both_o hence_o if_o causeless_a separation_n from_o a_o church_n have_v no_o other_o name_n give_v it_o in_o scripture_n nor_o can_v rational_o be_v refer_v to_o any_o other_o head_n then_o schism_n then_o causeless_a separation_n from_o a_o church_n be_v schism_n but_o the_o antecedent_n be_v true_a ergo_fw-la the_o consequent_a be_v true_a the_o consequence_n be_v clear_a because_o it_o partake_v of_o the_o nature_n of_o no_o sin_n as_o of_o schism_n provide_v those_o who_o separate_v be_v such_o as_o before_o i_o mention_v 3._o since_o the_o doctor_n make_v this_o instance_n the_o only_a seat_n of_o the_o doctrine_n of_o schism_n and_o ti_v we_o up_o so_o straight_o to_o it_o i_o be_v think_v whether_o it_o will_v not_o hence_o follow_v that_o there_o can_v be_v no_o schism_n in_o any_o church_n but_o only_o in_o such_o church_n as_o do_v exact_o answer_v this_o instance_n &_o hence_o schism_n must_v be_v only_o in_o such_o church_n where_o there_o be_v diversity_n of_o officer_n extraordinary_a gift_n difference_n about_o meat_n etc._n etc._n thus_o i_o hope_v most_o church_n be_v uncapable_a of_o schism_n and_o that_o sin_n will_v hardly_o be_v find_v in_o our_o day_n it_o may_v be_v he_o will_v say_v by_o consequence_n it_o will_v follow_v where_o there_o be_v causeless_a difference_n where_o the_o form_n of_o the_o sin_n be_v find_v there_o be_v the_o sin_n of_o schism_n though_o church_n do_v not_o answer_v corinth_n but_o what_o the_o doctor_n say_v that_o the_o scripture_n do_v not_o call_v causeless_a separation_n from_o a_o church_n schism_n so_o i_o can_v say_v this_o scripture_n instance_n call_v that_o only_a schism_n where_o some_o be_v for_o cephas_n other_o for_o apollo_n etc._n etc._n but_o further_a let_v we_o inquire_v into_o the_o form_n of_o the_o sin_n where_o it_o be_v in_o the_o division_n among_o the_o member_n to_o the_o disturbance_n of_o the_o order_n in_o the_o worship_n of_o god_n etc._n etc._n i_o wish_v the_o doctor_n have_v tell_v we_o how_o that_o order_n be_v disturb_v some_o thing_n he_o do_v mention_n but_o whether_o all_o the_o disorder_n in_o the_o worship_n of_o god_n be_v record_v i_o know_v not_o and_o that_o which_o be_v record_v admit_v of_o some_o question_n to_o be_v resolve_v before_o we_o can_v clear_o understand_v it_o as_o for_o the_o disturbance_n of_o the_o order_n i_o suppose_v he_o do_v not_o make_v that_o the_o form_n of_o the_o sin_n of_o schism_n nor_o part_n of_o it_o i_o look_v on_o it_o rather_o as_o a_o consequent_a of_o the_o schism_n therefore_o not_o the_o form_n neither_o do_v i_o look_v on_o order_n and_o schism_n proper_o as_o contrary_a where_o vnum_fw-la uni_fw-la tantum_fw-la opponitur_fw-la they_o do_v not_o cominus_fw-la inter_fw-la se_fw-la pugnare_fw-la per_fw-la proximas_fw-la formas_fw-la nor_o be_o i_o certain_a that_o there_o be_v ever_o schism_n where_o yet_o some_o disorder_n have_v be_v find_v i_o can_v tell_v that_o there_o be_v schism_n among_o the_o prophet_n 1_o cor._n 14._o but_o some_o disorder_n there_o be_v in_o the_o exercise_n of_o their_o gift_n as_o it_o shall_v seem_v by_o the_o last_o verse_n the_o apostle_n call_v for_o order_n ecclesiastical_a union_n causeless_o dissolve_v i_o take_v to_o be_v the_o form_n of_o schism_n this_o be_v it_o by_o which_o schism_n be_v id_fw-la quod_fw-la est_fw-la if_o then_o the_o doctor_n will_v allow_v that_o schism_n may_v be_v in_o church_n by_o consequence_n though_o the_o cause_n be_v not_o such_o as_o be_v in_o corinth_n northe_a
render_v the_o word_n et_fw-la constituerunt_fw-la the_o same_o verb_n and_o in_o the_o same_o conjugation_n which_o paul_n use_v 1_o tit._n 5._o but_o if_o it_o be_v the_o people_n 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d which_o do_v constitute_v officer_n certain_o paul_n need_v not_o to_o have_v leave_v titus_n there_o to_o do_v that_o which_o they_o can_v do_v without_o he_o and_o do_v though_o he_o be_v there_o to_o leave_v titus_n only_o to_o contribute_v a_o adjunct_n when_o the_o people_n have_v give_v the_o essence_n i_o can_v never_o receive_v this_o conceit_n the_o arabic_a also_o refer_v the_o act_n to_o the_o apostle_n et_fw-la designarunt_fw-la eye_v manibus_fw-la suis_fw-la in_o singulis_fw-la ecclesiis_fw-la presbyteros_fw-la and_o by_o this_o the_o imposition_n o●_n hand_n be_v plain_o employ_v etc._n etc._n etc._n all_o thing_n consider_v i_o do_v much_o more_o question_n whether_o any_o thing_n can_v be_v bring_v from_o this_o word_n to_o prove_v popular_a election_n than_o i_o do_v believe_v popular_a election_n constitute_v a_o minister_n to_o have_v a_o minister_n impose_v upon_o godly_a people_n or_o a_o true_a visible_a church_n without_o their_o consent_n i_o look_v on_o it_o as_o great_a tyranny_n this_o be_v not_o the_o primitive_a practice_n 57_o ep._n ad_fw-la cor._n p_o 57_o for_o clemens_n say_v when_o the_o apostle_n or_o other_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d no_v mention_n make_v of_o the_o fraternity_n do_v it_o do_v constitute_v elder_n he_o add_v 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d yet_o i_o do_v not_o think_v that_o the_o people_n elect_v tanquam_fw-la ex_fw-la authoritate_fw-la cogit_fw-la electio_fw-la non_fw-la cogit_fw-la they_o do_v eligere_fw-la non_fw-la per_fw-la jurisdictionem_fw-la sed_fw-la per_fw-la subjectionem_fw-la say_v ames_n this_o power_n the_o people_n have_v that_o no_o man_n shall_v have_v power_n over_o they_o unless_o they_o consent_v to_o subject_v unto_o he_o but_o what_o be_v this_o to_o their_o have_v so_o much_o 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the_o body_n of_o the_o member_n that_o they_o give_v the_o key_n 11._o p._n 10._o p._n 11._o that_o election_n be_v the_o essence_n of_o the_o call_v which_o doctrine_n i_o can_v yet_o receive_v i_o question_v not_o but_o every_o true_a minister_n bear_v relation_n to_o the_o church_n catholic_n be_v now_o the_o catholic_n church_n reduce_v to_o six_o particular_a church_n if_o member_n come_v to_o my_o congregation_n out_o of_o all_o those_o six_o i_o will_v not_o question_v to_o administer_v the_o lord_n supper_n to_o they_o all_o at_o one_o time_n and_o this_o our_o brethren_n deny_v not_o but_o why_o must_v i_o perform_v a_o official_a act_n to_o they_o to_o who_o i_o bear_v no_o relation_n if_o i_o shall_v go_v with_o my_o people_n into_o any_o one_o of_o these_o six_o congregation_n than_o i_o hope_v i_o may_v administer_v there_o also_o this_o i_o suppose_v may_v be_v allow_v for_o why_o may_v not_o i_o as_o well_o administer_v there_o as_o in_o my_o own_o place_n i_o hope_v 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