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A35667 Truth outweighing error, or, An ansvver to a treatise lately published by J.B. entituled, A confession of his faith and a reason of his practice, or, With who he can, and with who he cannot hold church-fellowship ... by John Denne ... J. D. (John Denne) 1673 (1673) Wing D1027; ESTC R11873 57,462 128

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etc._n etc._n be_v accept_v as_o church-member_n in_o general_a and_o so_o of_o every_o church_n in_o particular_a and_o that_o even_o upon_o their_o baptism_n although_o this_o anti-baptism_n will_v have_v you_o believe_v that_o in_o the_o second_o of_o the_o act_n baptism_n and_o add_v to_o the_o church_n appear_v to_o be_v two_o distinct_a thing_n who_o i_o will_v have_v remember_v solomon_n his_o advice_n prov._n 30.6_o add_v thou_o not_o to_o his_o word_n lest_o he_o reprove_v thou_o and_o thou_o be_v find_v a_o liar_n but_o john_n bunyan_n be_v now_o grow_v positive_a and_o confident_o say_v pag._n 76._o take_v it_o again_o baptism_n make_v thou_o no_o member_n of_o the_o church_n neither_o particular_a nor_o universal_a neither_o do_v it_o make_v thou_o a_o visible_a saint_n it_o therefore_o give_v thou_o neither_o right_n to_o nor_o be_v of_o membership_n at_o all_o answ_n here_o be_v a_o brave_a flourish_n but_o a_o impudent_a assertion_n contrary_a to_o truth_n but_o no_o 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