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shift_n and_o despise_v the_o judgement_n of_o class_n and_o synod_n but_o make_v use_v of_o force_n and_o power_n praefat._n pag._n 20_o 21._o ad_fw-la annum_fw-la 1611._o neither_o want_v they_o a_o pretence_n for_o these_o and_o the_o like_a irregularity_n contrary_a to_o the_o establish_a order_n take_v from_o the_o distemper_a state_n of_o the_o church_n whereof_o it_o be_v then_o tell_v they_o themselves_o have_v be_v indeed_o the_o cause_n and_o their_o pretend_v thereof_o be_v in_o effect_n a_o gloriation_n that_o they_o have_v so_o far_o disorder_v all_o matter_n that_o they_o can_v not_o be_v remedy_v act._n synod_n pag._n 87_o 88_o this_o be_v also_o pretend_a here_o pag._n 32_o 33._o and_o do_v deserve_v the_o same_o answer_n that_o order_n procure_v by_o some_o of_o our_o brethren_n to_o which_o somewhat_o be_v here_o also_o speak_v want_v not_o its_o own_o pattern_n among_o the_o remonstrant_n who_o that_o they_o may_v increase_v their_o own_o party_n and_o seclude_v 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approve_v corruption_n in_o the_o point_n of_o church-government_n and_o in_o the_o matter_n of_o god_n worship_n which_o fall_v not_o within_o our_o question_n this_o also_o may_v tell_v they_o that_o that_o instance_n pag._n 50_o 51._o of_o our_o confession_n anno_fw-la 1567._o concern_v article_n of_o faith_n or_o constitution_n repugn_v to_o the_o word_n of_o god_n be_v needless_a as_o also_o that_o great_a noise_n they_o make_v of_o all_o the_o precious_a truth_n of_o god_n and_o interest_n of_o christ_n at_o the_o stake_n pag._n 49._o and_o that_o there_o be_v no_o ecclesiastical_a remedy_n in_o case_n of_o a_o general_a defection_n arg._n 15._o pag._n 113._o and_o that_o salt_n allusion_n to_o the_o crucify_a of_o christ_n pag._n 99_o and_o their_o citation_n of_o gal._n 1.8_o pag._n 108._o arg._n 8._o these_o and_o many_o the_o like_a big_a assertion_n whereby_o they_o endeavour_v to_o render_v we_o odious_a have_v no_o place_n in_o this_o question_n and_o it_o be_v well_o 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