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to_o prince_n and_o people_n and_o be_v acquit_v by_o prince_n and_o people_n when_o 14.39.44.45_o king_n saul_n swear_v that_o jonathan_n shall_v die_v the_o people_n swear_v the_o contrary_a &_o save_v he_o from_o death_n when_o the_o high_a priest_n &_o scribe_n will_v have_v kill_v christ_n they_o fear_v the_o people_n luk._n 20.19_o &_o 22.2_o and_o the_o people_n as_o well_o as_o the_o ruler_n be_v call_v before_o pilate_n about_o christ_n death_n luk._n 23.13_o and_o by_o their_o voice_n prevayl_v mat._n 27.20.22.25.26_o luk_n 23.23_o so_o that_o to_o prove_v the_o minister_n sole_a power_n now_o for_o to_o cut_v off_o a_o man_n from_o the_o church_n by_o the_o magistrate_n power_n then_o to_o cut_v off_o a_o man_n from_o israel_n neither_o be_v the_o proportion_n just_a if_o it_o be_v so_o neither_o yet_o be_v it_o manifest_v that_o so_o it_o be_v in_o israel_n 6._o six_o the_o proportion_n which_o they_o here_o make_v be_v so_o misshape_a that_o i_o marvel_v wise_a man_n 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will_v not_o hearken_v to_o the_o priest_n and_o judge_n be_v to_o die_v by_o the_o hand_n of_o the_o people_n deut._n 17._o again_o they_o say_v 20._o deliver_v to_o satan_n in_o 1._o cor._n 5._o be_v in_o stead_n of_o death_n in_o jsrael_n levit._fw-la 20.11_o by_o this_o one_o will_v think_v that_o the_o people_n now_o shall_v deliver_v a_o wicked_a man_n to_o satan_n when_o the_o elder_n have_v judge_v he_o worthy_a otherweise_v how_o stand_v the_o proportion_n but_o they_o mean_v nothing_o less_o for_o a_o little_a after_o they_o 26_o tell_v we_o in_o the_o church_n excommunication_n there_o be_v the_o give_v of_o a_o sentence_n judiciarie_n which_o pertain_v to_o government_n and_o authority_n there_o be_v also_o in_o particular_a a_o deliver_v to_o satan_n by_o the_o power_n of_o our_o lord_n jesus_n christ_n etc._n etc._n which_o likewise_o
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what_o concord_n have_v christ_n with_o belial_n so_o he_o will_v not_o cease_v there_o but_o justify_v the_o curse_a mass_n by_o like_a reason_n to_o be_v the_o bless_a supper_n of_o our_o lord_n for_o it_o be_v the_o same_o church_n that_o enjoy_v these_o 2._o sacram_fw-la ts_o the_o same_o priest_n minister_v they_o both_o in_o the_o same_o babylonish_n unknown_a language_n both_o of_o they_o have_v christ_n institution_n abuse_v by_o the_o man_n of_o sin_v and_o as_o water_n be_v in_o their_o baptism_n so_o bread_n and_o wine_n be_v in_o their_o mass_n as_o in_o baptism_n they_o use_v the_o 28.19_o name_n of_o the_o father_n the_o son_n &_o the_o holy_a ghost_n so_o in_o the_o mass_n they_o use_v 26.26_o take_v eat_v this_o be_v my_o body_n etc._n etc._n now_o why_o shall_v one_o of_o these_o sacrament_n be_v true_a and_o not_o a_o other_o all_o that_o be_v not_o antichrist_n bondman_n detest_v his_o mass_n as_o a_o monstrous_a idol_n let_v they_o that_o list_v honour_v his_o baptism_n again_o excommunication_n be_v god_n ordinance_n as_o well_o as_o baptism_n and_o these_o our_o opposite_n say_v 26._o that_o by_o it_o a_o man_n be_v cut_v off_o from_o communion_n with_o all_o church_n of_o christ_n upon_o earth_n have_v his_o sin_n also_o bind_v in_o heaven_n as_o on_o the_o contrary_a by_o baptism_n we_o be_v enter_v into_o communion_n with_o all_o church_n of_o christ_n in_o the_o world_n this_o excommunication_n the_o church_n of_o rome_n use_v as_o well_o as_o baptism_n and_o have_v power_n from_o christ_n to_o do_v it_o as_o well_o as_o to_o baptise_v whereupon_o it_o will_v follow_v if_o we_o be_v bind_v to_o communion_n with_o they_o that_o they_o baptise_v we_o be_v also_o bind_v to_o avoid_v the_o communion_n of_o they_o that_o they_o excommunicate_v now_o for_o asmuch_o as_o these_o our_o opposite_n themselves_o beside_o all_o other_o that_o have_v separate_v from_o the_o church_n and_o doctrine_n of_o rome_n have_v many_o curse_n and_o anathemaes_n lay_v upon_o they_o by_o the_o council_n of_o trent_n and_o pope_n bull_n what_o be_v they_o the_o better_a for_o be_v baptize_v in_o their_o infancy_n now_o that_o they_o be_v excommunicate_v in_o their_o man_n age_n they_o tell_v we_o 46._o before_o and_o say_v we_o have_v not_o yet_o learn_v it_o as_o we_o shall_v that_o by_o our_o baptism_n we_o be_v bind_v to_o communion_n and_o now_o let_v they_o also_o teach_v we_o whither_o by_o their_o excommunication_n we_o be_v not_o bind_v to_o shun_v their_o communion_n or_o if_o they_o will_v not_o answer_v we_o let_v they_o answer_v the_o papist_n who_o 5._o plead_v that_o their_o apostate_n priest_n be_v divide_v and_o cut_v of_o from_o the_o church_n and_o excommunicate_a may_v not_o lawful_o minister_v the_o sacrament_n and_o whereas_o m._n jewel_n complain_v we_o have_v be_v cast_v out_o by_o these_o menâ—_n be_v curse_v of_o they_o as_o they_o use_v to_o say_v with_o bâ—l_a book_n and_o candle_n harding_n answer_v 15._o to_o be_v excommunicate_a you_o have_v deserve_v etc._n etc._n neither_o be_v you_o by_o excommunication_n put_v from_o we_o till_o you_o have_v by_o contumacy_n sever_v yourselves_o from_o the_o church_n and_o show_v yourselves_o desperate_a and_o incorrigible_a and_o what_o will_v they_o say_v to_o the_o synedrion_n the_o representative_a church_n of_o england_n who_o 1603._o excommunication_n ipso_fw-la facto_fw-la if_o they_o be_v of_o the_o lord_n do_v forbid_v all_o christian_n to_o communicate_v with_o these_o man_n that_o thus_o plead_v for_o antichrist_n baptism_n yea_o they_o will_v tell_v m._n johnson_n in_o his_o own_o word_n that_o it_o 17._o be_v a_o fearful_a sin_v their_o church_n be_v a_o true_a church_n to_o contemn_v their_o excommunication_n if_o they_o answer_v their_o excommunication_n be_v unjust_a therefore_o they_o be_v of_o no_o weight_n this_o will_v not_o salve_v the_o sore_a for_o 1._o all_o excommunicate_v will_v say_v they_o be_v cast_v out_o unjust_o 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