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sure_a this_o question_n be_v as_o great_a as_o ever_o rise_v since_o for_o have_v speak_v of_o the_o opinion_n as_o thing_n so_o indifferent_a that_o the_o reader_n may_v almost_o think_v they_o have_v be_v fall_v out_o at_o spurn-point_n or_o ketle-pin_n he_o add_v 555._o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d for_o that_o which_o be_v necessary_a be_v one_o thing_n that_o all_o agree_v and_o keep_v the_o same_o faith_n about_o divine_a providence_n i_o be_o sure_a in_o the_o same_o author_n moses_n a_o man_n praise_v by_o he_o refuse_v to_o be_v make_v bishop_n by_o lucius_n because_o he_o be_v a_o arrian_n and_o he_o answer_v that_o he_o do_v ill_a to_o refuse_v it_o before_o he_o know_v what_o his_o faith_n be_v answer_v 206._o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d the_o banish_n of_o bishop_n show_v enough_o your_o faith_n so_o that_o it_o be_v plain_a he_o think_v punish_v for_o opinion_n to_o be_v a_o mark_n which_o may_v serve_v he_o to_o know_v false_a opinion_n by_o section_n 27_o i_o 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polybius_n say_v in_o a_o certain_a furious_a faction_n of_o a_o army_n of_o several_a nation_n and_o consequent_o language_n 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d all_o of_o they_o understand_v only_o this_o word_n throw_v at_o he_o this_o i_o say_v in_o my_o opinion_n be_v it_o chief_o which_o make_v so_o many_o so_o sudden_o leave_v the_o church_n of_o rome_n that_o indeed_o to_o borrow_v the_o author_n phrase_n 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d they_o need_v not_o persuasion_n to_o do_v it_o but_o only_a news_n that_o other_o have_v begin_v for_o as_o this_o alone_a if_o believe_v make_v all_o the_o rest_n be_v so_o too_o so_o one_o thing_n alone_a mis-liked_n overthrow_v also_o all_o the_o rest_n section_n 30_o if_o it_o be_v grant_v that_o because_o it_o agree_v not_o with_o the_o goodness_n of_o god_n to_o let_v man_n want_v a_o infallible_a guide_n therefore_o there_o must_v be_v one_o and_o that_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n be_v that_o one_o yet_o if_o that_o teach_v any_o thing_n to_o my_o understanding_n contrary_a to_o god_n goodness_n i_o be_o not_o to_o receive_v her_o doctrine_n for_o the_o same_o cause_n for_o which_o they_o will_v have_v i_o receive_v it_o it_o be_v as_o good_a a_o argument_n this_o guide_n teach_v thing_n contrary_a to_o god_n goodness_n therefore_o be_v not_o appoint_v by_o god_n as_o to_o say_v it_o be_v agreeable_a to_o his_o goodness_n there_o shall_v be_v a_o guide_n therefore_o there_o be_v one_o and_o sure_o it_o be_v lawful_a to_o examine_v particular_a doctrine_n whether_o they_o agree_v with_o that_o principle_n which_o be_v their_o foundation_n and_o to_o that_o i_o think_v to_o damn_v he_o that_o neither_o with_o negligence_n nor_o prejudication_n search_v what_o be_v god_n will_n though_o he_o miss_v of_o it_o be_v as_o contrary_a as_o the_o first_o can_v be_v suppose_v section_n 31_o i_o will_v know_v whether_o he_o that_o never_o hear_v of_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n shall_v yet_o be_v damn_v for_o not_o believe_v her_o 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