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A41618 Papists protesting against Protestant-popery in answer to a discourse entituled, A papist not mis-represented by Protestants : being a vindication of The papist mis-represented and represented, and the reflections upon the answer. Gother, John, d. 1704. 1686 (1686) Wing G1340; ESTC R227532 21,123 40

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