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A61894 Rosemary & Bayes, or, Animadversions upon a treatise called, The rehearsall trans-prosed [sic] in a letter to a friend in the countrey. Stubbe, Henry, 1632-1676. 1672 (1672) Wing S6064; ESTC R16254 9,556 28

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make 'em crack But Sir Mr. Bayes sayes no such thing this is a Flower of Rosemary 'T is personam induere very ill transprosed None would have scrupled at the expression had it been rendered to act the part or take upon him the person And perhaps by this time the Non-Conformists will not scruple at the phrase of playing the part since they have bought up so mightily the Original Rehearsal and find so great advantage by transprosing it Well if Mr. Rosemary may say without offence that Christ did take upon him the person yet He cannot He doubts say He took upon him the person of a Jewish Zealot that is of a NOTORIOUS ROGUE CUT-THROAT I do concur with Mr. Rosemary in the latter clause that none ought to say That Christ took upon him the person of a NOTORIOUS ROGUE CUT-THROAT Oh! Mr. Bayes Mr. Bayes Villain what Monster did corrupt thy mind T'attacque the Noblest Soul of humane kind Tell me who set thee on Sir I have examin'd him strictly but no torture of the Rack produceth this to be his sense He saith that a Jewish Zealot hath a great resemblance unto Prince Prettyman What Oracle this darkness can evince Sometimes a Fishers's son sometimes a Prince It is a secret great as is the World In which I like the soul am toss'd hurl'd The blackest Ink of fate sure was my Lot And when she writ my Name she made a blot After all this blustering in Verse and in Prose be pleased Sir to understand that Rosemary knows not the nature of a true Jewish Zealot He had read or heard some body tell out of Josephus his History of the destruction of Jerusalem that there were a sort of Zealots who out of a vehement and indiscreet concern for the Mosaical Law begot great tumults occasion'd much blood-shed and were the principal cause of the ruine of that State To compare Christ with one of these this seemed uncouth and intolerable in a Christian. But behold there were another sort of Zealots permitted by God in the Jewish Common-wealth who might destroy their friends kill even their sons if guilty of Idolatry such was Phineas such was Matthias and in cases of great enormities violations of the Mosaical Law the actings of Zealots for Reformation were approved as Heroical and exempt from judiciary censures or penalties Any man of ordinary sense will imagine that our Saviour did since he was not questioned for the fact nor opposed in it assume the person of such a Zealot and was secured by the Law for Zealots for it behoved him to fulfill all Righteousness at least He came not to destroy the Law And the Text alludes unto this case alledging this passage thereupon The Zeal of thy house hath eaten me up Howsoever Mr. Selden authenticates the Ecclosiastical Historian neither is there any just offence in the expression But Mortals that hear How we Tilt and Ca●rier With wonder will fear The event of such things as shall never appear Behold the passage whereat Mr. Rosemary was so much offended I should have thought the first Expressions of Mr. Bayes whereto this part of the Zealot related were the less supportable viz. That Christ being not only in an hot fit of Zeal but in a seeming fury and transport of Passion did overthrow the Tables c. But Mr. Rosemary hath other Sentiments and esteems this to be the more petulant speech But however that I do think somewhat ill of these words yet I know that in the Psalms and old Prophets there are passages which might as easily be carped at by a malevolent Pen especially if one consult the Original Hebrew Text. And Buchanan in his version of the Psalms doth so express himself concerning God Almighty that we may tolerate the like in reference unto the second person of the Trinity Buchanan Ps. 2. Tum justa accensus miseros affabiturira Et per surorem caesa consilia suum Turbabit And elsewhere Dum saevient is flageat in cursu furor Exigere paenas abstine It may be you will reply That the Ecclesiastical Historian can claim no benefit for his defence by any Scripture expressions He and the Author of the Friendly Debate are incapable of the priviledge of the Clergy and I believe they would sooner quit their Professions if they might hold the Emoluments then it should be said of either of them Legit ut Clericus they would sooner lose their lives then preserve them by a fulsome Metophorical Allegorical Psalm of mercy except they be permitted to render the Moral thereof and having read as Clerks to expound according to themselves It is not to be wondered at if such as I are at a loss and know not what the Religion is now of the Church of England Were Bishop Whitgift and Jewel Whitaker and Perkins alive now they would be accounted Fanaticks Hereticks and Brambles And a new part of the Friendly Debate would evince them to be the most ridiculous canting Preachers that ever were I believe they may esteem Bishop Latimer a fool in that he suffered for his Religion I am sure they would have thought him so for His Preaching It was a wish of St. Austin that He had but seen Christ in the Flesh and heard St. Paul Preach But I see now that the Father was a Simpleton who delighted in canting expressions Scriptural allusions and insignificant Phrases The Apostle Paul and the Bishop of Hippo were the Eastern and Southern Brambles whence that prodigious indefatigable prating preaching scratching biting Bramble upon the Lake of Loman had its Original There is Magick they say in a Bramble both ends whereof do grow and strange effects are said to be wrought thereby this Geneva-Bramble was rooted on both sides of the Lake and besides its Agents it produced Nettles which sting even the Ecclesiasticks of this Age though many take them to be dead Nettles or Archangel They that piss upon them prove exceeding peevish for a long time after they rest evilly thereupon and are perplexed with vexatious dreams so as that they disquiet their Neighbours I could wish they would not disturb the Visinage with declamations against Mr. Calvin When I was a Stripling I heard him oftentimes cited in the Pulpit by Men as those times were and they were as I heard of the Church of England very pious and Learned and had read him and they always added the Elogy of Judicious when they named Mr Calvin I have seen Testimonies of an intimate Correspondence and Communion betwixt the Forreign Protestants and those of the English Church and our Embassadors had a Pew in the Church at Charenton frequenting that Church and receiving the Communion there as other Royalists exiles did in other places But now I see those people were all in the Briars and like Truant Children forsook their School to go miching after Black-berries upon which Fruit whosoever feeds much He will be apt to break out into the Itch and must be clawed
ROSEMARY BAYES OR ANIMADVERSIONS Upon A TREATISE Called The Rehearsall Trans-prosed In a Letter to a Friend in the Countrey Seneca in sap non cad Ut quisque contemptissimus est maxime ludibrio ita solutissimae linguae est London Printed for Jonathan Edwin at the Three Roses in Ludgate-street 1672. To the READER THis Letter was written in haste unto a Member of Parliament in the Countrey And with what Familiarity and Freedom it was at first written with the same is it published The In-artificial and Private Divertisement of one Friend being exhibited unto the Generality with the like Presumption HONOURED SIR I Do not wonder that you so little understand the Rehearsal Transpros'd I believe the Author himself never did You had done better to have writ unto some of the Virtuosi for a Key unto it since none are so forward to suggest impossibilities or so great undertakers for the sense of a Man they never read or understood be it Aristotle or the present Writer The Rehearsal as it was Acted at the THEATRE ROYALL will rather puzzle than inform your understanding For although here are some passages REHEARSED out of the Books of the Author of Ecclesiastical Policy yet I do not comprehend How they are Transprosed They being Originally Prose In the Comedy which I now send you one Bayes is represented as having certain Drama Common places It being as 't is said his Method to pilfer from other Men and If they write in Prose He doth Trans-verse them If they write in Verse He doth TRANS-PROSE THEM or express the sense of their Poesie in Prose If you will now examine this New Book it will appear like a Mountebank's Ball or a project of the R. S. Wherein nothing doth answer our Expectation It cannot be said that the Author of the Ecclesiastical Policy did Rehearse or Transprose any considerable part of His writings I except wherein He violates the Act of UTTER OBLIVION for No Author that is fit to be mentioned did ever hold His Principal Tenets They contradict the Fathers the Authentick Declaration of Our Church concerning the Supremacy of Emperours and Kings Neither is there any power vested in our King the which may not descend unto a Woman Now it would seem strange that any Woman should confer Ecclesiastical Orders or administer the Sacrament of the LORDS SUPPER Baptisme 't is thought may be administred by a Sage Feme in our Church And notwithstanding what is said that the first Christian Emperours new PONTIFICES MAXIMI which perhaps is not true as Pacidius or rather Gothefredus will teach you yet the Greek Church hath a Canon that it shall be lawfull for no LAY-MAN but the EMPEROR to enter within the Rails which inclose the Communion-Table Whosoever understands any thing of Antiquity cannot say that any thing that contradicts this is TRANS-PROSED thence and if you will ask Fleta what power our Kings had antecedently unto the Rule of Henry VIII He had no more than totam laicalem potestatem a Large power And albeit Our Law doth esteem Him to some Purposes a MIXT PERSON yet to extend that saying unto it's utmost latitude is to contradict Our Canons If we look into ancient Governments the formula of Regnane Christo were there nothing else would justifie what I say as to the Christians and the Rex Sacrorum and Pontificate as to Rome there is no such Connexion betwixt the CROWN and MITRE that Ecclesiastical and Civill power should be INSEPARABLE These and many other Errours if they have not been taken notice of the Author of the Ecclesiastical Policy may be reputed happy through the Ignorance of HIS ADVERSARIES But if what He writ is not TRANS-PROSED you will demand Who it is that is the TRANS-PROSER I learned it long ago from the famed Stagirite that 't is more easie to propose Questions then to solve them and if you peruse the REHEARSAL you will find none or few of those Verses turned into Prose by our late writer I am certain these are not Before a full pot of Ale you can swallow Was here with a whoop and there with a hollow Nor the Dialogue betwixt Thunder and Lightning viz. I am loud Thunder Brisk Lightning I. I strike men down I fire the Town Look to 't We 'll do 't Since these and other passages are not TRANS-PROSED I do not know how to justify the TITLE-PAGE of this new Book Mr. Thomas Dring at the White Lyon next Chancery-lane end in Fleet-street hath indeed some reason to gratifie the Author who hath effectually obliged him to the prejudice of his own reputation For conversation-sake I will imagine you to object that BAYES not the word junior is TRANS-PROSED If I did not suppose this for conversation-sake only I should provoke you unpardonably for one word or name is neither Trans-prosed nor Trans-versed if it consist of no more Syllables But why must the Author of the Ecclesiastical Policy be called BAYES Junior He was no Roman Emperour or Victorious Consul with his Literae Laureatae It doth not appear that He was a POET or writ any PLAYES What is it then that entitles Him unto these LAURELS If I should grant that His disc●urses are indiscreet incoherent stuffed with falsities and impertinencies doth it thence follow that He is a POETASTER If BAYES Junior be descended from BAYES Senior 't is by an Equivocal Generation as good Timber may by corruption produce Worms or Vermin and should I inlarge my self never so much in commendation of the REHEARSAL the REHEARSAL TRANS-PROSED would derive no advantage thence But I pass from the Title page as from an evil Portal or Frontis-piece which yields nothing of delight though somewhat of ill Omen to examine the Ireatise it self There are in it several Periods which shew the Author to have had some Intervals of SI NSE and WIT and such you may find in the Harrangues of Enthusiasts and Mad-men though the speakers do not apprehend the things Or to deal more civilly with the Author I do not find that His understanding is proportionate unto his confidence It is not manifest unto me by the Sarracenical Histories nay I am morally certain of the contrary that Mahomet had not two Companions which clubb'd with Him in making the Alchoran yet our Author avows it The Parable of the Bramble speaking if we allow that the rest may be easily granted or extorted hath a Precedent in Scripture and though the Author of the Ecclesiastical policy do explode the use of fulsome Metaphors and Scriptural Allegories yet this Rehearser seems of another opinion and perhaps may acquiesce in these inferiour Examples of Aesop Loeman c. However if BAYES Senior be so ridiculous as the Rehearsal represents him We may indulge BAYES Junior without incongruity But this Rehearser doth spend all his wit upon the Censure of this Parable He reserves extraordinary flashes thereof for the subsequent discourse about the Scituation
of Geneva upon the Lake Leman I do except against his Raillery by saying that the Ecclesiastical Politition writ in England from which the whole Lake lieth South-wards But I might complain of the Geography of this railer for either occasion to be exceeding pleasant or the vigour of his phansie transported him into an Errour which every one may see in the large Atlas The Lake doth not lye due East and West but bending it self North-wards and then turning somewhat West-wards doth form an Halfe moon and he spoke without his Compass who observed this Lake to the East and West But suppose this were true yet would it not be false to say Geneva seated on the South-side for all that side is the South-side as the opposite to the North neither is Geneva seated exactly at the end in the Lake but upon the Southern terra firma And it seems strange that the Assign● of John Calvin and Theodore Beza should be so unacquainted with the place of their residence If any concluded that Geneva had sold Mr. Bayes a Bargain as the Moon served the Sun in the Rehearsal they shewed their want of judgment and as little of Memory for the Moon sells the Bargain unto the Earth and not unto the Sun Orbis O Orbis If the Author of the Ecclesiastical Policy deserve the name of Bayes though no Epick or Dramatick Poet we ought not to deny some such like denomination unto the modern Rehearser who would seem to act the Comedian and represents us six of Mr. Bayes his Playes as He calls them and instead of Plots we must expect nothing but Aphorismes or Hypotheses What Aphorismes and Hypotheses of Playes This Language would better become an Astronomical or Philosophical Treatise then a Comedy Well I see the Rehearser will not deserve the Bayes I will therefore term him Rosemary and then the whole Contest will be brought to this summary that there are two persons in the world that trade much in Rosemary and Bayes But Rosemary though you would have acted the part of Gideon upon this Politicion of Succoth and clawed him away with Briars for his Parable of the Bramble and mis-placing of Geneva Have not you placed your Scene ill where you represent Bayes as Chaplain in a Noble-mans House and directing his reverence towards the Gentle-womens Pew whereas if we understand any thing of this Noble-man no Women resort unto his Chappel or Table Though I am not of their opinion who imagine that the Priesthood is really consolidated with the Regal power in England yet if Mr. Rosemary had assisted at the Coronation he might have seen his Majesty vested in Sacerdotal habiliments and thereby have satisfied his curiosity which is now very impatient to see how the Pontifical stole would become our King Mr. Bayes is charged to recommend unto the civil Magistrate persecution And that so fiercely that Julian whom Mr. Rosemary thinks to have been first a Reader and then to have Held-forth in the Christian Churches before he turned Apostate and then Persecutor could not have out-done him in Irony or Cruelty I confess that Julian had some right to the Bayes as a victorious Emperour But if I have the True Character here of Mr. Bayes there is not any resemblance betwixt Him and Julian If Julian were a Reader in the ancient Church it doth not thence follow that he did ever Hold forth except those two expressions be equipollent And as for cruelty the Reign of Julian is not infamous for that He gave an universal indulgence re-called the exil'd Orthodox protected the Christian Churches and severely forbid that Christians should be enforced to Paganism Where now doth lie the resemblance betwixt Julian and Mr. Bayes I do not comprehend the Hypotheses of this Drama I am no lesse dis-satisfied with his Allegations out of Mr. Hales's Treatise of Schism He was a learned man but towards his latter end so much suspected for Socinianism that 't is ill done to reckon of him as one of that Church of England especially since that tract was never allowed of or approved by the English Church as Hookers's policy hath been I should exceed the bounds of a private Letter should I render you an account of every failour whereunto hast prejudice or ignorance betrayed Mr. Rosemary He will not approve of Truths if uttered by the Ecclesiastical Politician whereof this instance will convince you The Eccles. Pol. said that Our blessed Saviour did in that action of scourging the Buyers and Sellers in the Temple take upon him the Person and priviledge of a Jewish Zealot Mr. Rosemary subjoyns Take upon him the person that is personam induere And what part did He play Of a Jewish Zealot The Second person of the Trinity may I repeat these things without offence to take upon Him the person of a notorious Rogue and Cut-throat ' This seemed to proceed from too slight an Apprehension and Knowledge of the duty we owe unto Our Saviour I am willing to believe that Mr. Rosemary did write this out of an hearty zeal for the lionour of our blessed Saviour but yet his zeal is not according to knowledge Others may think that He intended to scourge Bayes and cast Him out of the Temple allotting unto Him for changing thus of our Saviour the same doom whereunto those were sentenced who changed moneys there If he were not more excellent at Raillery then Criticismes I assure him that his Reputation would immediately decline To take upon him the person that is personam induere He might also have taken notice that personam induere doth also signifie to put on a perruke and Visor-mask and have with abomination declaimed against Bayes for introducing the Second person in the Trinty acting a modern Mascarade in the Temple But He is content the imputation shall not extend so far But could you imagine it to be other than the dictate of extream malice thus to argue He took upon him the person that is personam induere and that to Act a part in a Play Is this the Rehearsal transprosed Or rather an innocent expression invidiously misconstrued In the Garden upon his resurrection in the Journey unto Emaus would not any man say that the Second person of the Trinity did take upon him the person of a Gardiner and Traveller And when He made as if he would go farther Oh! to what exceptions would Zeal and Animosity have transported Rosemary had but the Original Greek been Transprosed or literally translated by Mr. Bayes But Rosemary thinks though this expression of taking upon him the person be it of a Reconciler and Mediator or Judge or persons when attributed unto the Trinity may not be perhaps culpable enough in the judgment of others and therefore the case must be aggravated with playing a part Truely the words of playing the part are too light and unbecoming Ay I gad they are And If that design appears I 'le lug Bayes by the ears Until I