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and_o deny_v your_o minor_a protestant_n be_v not_o member_n of_o the_o true_a church_n as_o intrinsical_o inform_v 12._o pag._n 208._o you_o prove_v say_v you_o your_o antecedent_n or_o minor_a which_o be_v a_o syntax_n in_o logic_n and_o deserve_v a_o ferula_fw-la for_o no_o minor_a can_v be_v a_o antecedent_n pag._n 208._o the_o antecedent_n i_o deny_v your_o minor_a protestant_n formal_o such_o have_v not_o enough_o to_o be_v bring_v to_o the_o unfeigned_a love_n of_o god_n above_o all_o thing_n and_o special_a love_n to_o his_o servant_n and_o unfeigned_a willingness_n to_o obey_v he_o for_o have_v they_o this_o they_o will_v never_o have_v disobey_v and_o disbelieved_a all_o the_o visible_a church_n in_o the_o world_n anno_fw-la 1517._o as_o their_o first_o broacher_n do_v and_o they_o follow_v that_o disbelief_n to_o this_o day_n pag._n 208._o i_o deny_v your_o minor_a what_o i_o deny_v in_o the_o former_a sylogism_n be_v not_o in_o your_o profession_n both_o general_a and_o 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