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28._o mat_n 10.28_o v._o 23._o with_o 28._o nor_o be_v this_o that_o unlawful_a fear_n of_o they_o that_o can_v kill_v the_o body_n as_o appeareth_z in_o this_o that_o in_o the_o same_o chapter_n where_o the_o apostle_n be_v forbid_v to_o fear_n they_o be_v allow_v to_o fly_v and_o if_o these_o may_v stand_v together_o in_o the_o apostle_n why_o not_o in_o other_o nor_o be_v this_o the_o unlawful_a faint_a in_o affliction_n 11.30_o 2_o cor_fw-la 4.16_o with_o 2_o cor_fw-la 11.30_o speak_v of_o by_o paul_n for_o even_o the_o same_o apostle_n in_o the_o same_o epistle_n where_o he_o speak_v of_o his_o not_o faint_a speak_v of_o his_o fly_n to_o show_v that_o these_o be_v not_o contrary_a nor_o be_v this_o like_o the_o fly_n of_o jonah_n or_o that_o whereunto_o jeremy_n be_v tempt_v for_o they_o that_o do_v thus_o do_v not_o do_v it_o that_o they_o may_v not_o preach_v but_o that_o they_o may_v preach_v the_o gospel_n of_o which_o liberty_n they_o foresee_v that_o they_o shall_v utter_o 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220._o 221._o 3._o that_o they_o have_v such_o surety_n as_o will_v undertake_v their_o education_n in_o the_o true_a knowledge_n of_o god_n and_o faith_n in_o jesus_n christ_n but_o be_v it_o the_o manner_n of_o that_o place_n to_o be_v satisfy_v about_o these_o thing_n before_o they_o receive_v they_o to_o baptism_n do_v they_o inquire_v whether_o the_o infant_n be_v bear_v in_o the_o church_n of_o what_o parent_n or_o forefather_n or_o how_o the_o surety_n will_v undertake_v to_o educate_v the_o child_n in_o that_o faith_n to_o conclude_v that_o all_o misunderstanding_n of_o mr._n attersoll_n may_v be_v prevent_v let_v the_o reader_n consider_v one_o or_o two_o conclusion_n by_o the_o same_o author_n in_o the_o same_o chapter_n 211._o p._n 211._o 1._o conclus_fw-la that_o beside_o the_o join_n of_o the_o word_n to_o the_o outward_a sign_n there_o be_v necessary_o require_v a_o fit_a person_n to_o be_v partaker_n of_o the_o sacrament_n 2._o conclus_fw-la baptism_n be_v a_o common_a seal_n but_o as_o all_o have_v not_o interest_n to_o the_o pasture_n herbage_n and_o privilege_n of_o a_o commons_n but_o only_o such_o as_o be_v tenant_n according_a to_o the_o custom_n of_o the_o manner_n so_o all_o have_v not_o title_n to_o baptism_n be_v a_o sacrament_n of_o the_o church_n but_o only_o such_o as_o be_v the_o lord_n people_n according_a to_o the_o tenor_n of_o the_o covenant_n apply_v these_o conclusion_n to_o this_o custom_n against_o which_o we_o plead_v &_o it_o will_v be_v grant_v that_o what_o ever_o may_v seem_v to_o a_o unwary_a reader_n in_o the_o slight_a and_o superficial_a read_n of_o that_o passage_n in_o his_o book_n yet_o indeed_o it_o do_v not_o serve_v to_o justifye_v the_o practice_n about_o which_o the_o question_n be_v from_o the_o premise_n i_o argue_v thus_o if_o such_o a_o promiscuous_a administration_n of_o baptism_n as_o the_o writing_n of_o those_o five_o minister_n require_v be_v contrary_a to_o the_o good_a custom_n of_o the_o best_a church_n it_o be_v unlawful_a but_o such_o a_o promiscuous_a baptise_v etc._n etc._n be_v contrary_a to_o the_o good_a custom_n of_o the_o best_a church_n therefore_o it_o be_v unlawful_a so_o much_o shall_v suffice_v for_o declare_v the_o ground_n whereupon_o i_o refuse_v this_o custom_n now_o let_v we_o consider_v their_o pretence_n for_o it_o it_o 1._o pretence_n for_o it_o so_o far_o as_o we_o can_v collect_v out_o of_o that_o writing_n of_o the_o five_o minister_n or_o otherwise_o pretence_n 1_o first_o pretence_n none_o will_v present_v their_o child_n to_o be_v baptize_v but_o christian_n ans_fw-fr 1._o it_o be_v a_o conclusion_n among_o the_o schoolman_n that_o conclu_fw-la aq_n secund_a secundae_fw-la art_n 12._o conclu_fw-la non_fw-la sunt_fw-la infidelium_fw-la pveri_fw-la invitis_fw-la parentibus_fw-la baptisandi_fw-la child_n of_o infidel_n be_v not_o to_o be_v baptize_v without_o their_o parent_n consent_v wherein_o they_o suppose_v that_o such_o a_o case_n be_v possible_a if_o so_o why_o may_v not_o the_o child_n of_o a_o jew_n or_o moor_n or_o indian_a be_v bring_v by_o some_o one_o or_o other_o to_o baptism_n without_o the_o parent_n consent_n or_o knowledge_n and_o the_o manner_n of_o amsterdam_n be_v to_o refuse_v none_o that_o be_v present_v by_o whosoever_o whereby_o it_o be_v very_o possible_a that_o some_o infant_n may_v be_v baptize_v who_o parent_n be_v no_o christian_n though_o the_o parent_n will_v not_o have_v they_o present_v 2._o even_o parent_n who_o themselves_o do_v not_o receive_v christian_n religion_n may_v be_v content_a to_o have_v their_o child_n baptize_v either_o for_o the_o gift_n sake_n which_o be_v customary_o bestow_v by_o those_o who_o they_o call_v godfather_n and_o godmother_n upon_o the_o child_n or_o for_o some_o other_o advantage_n &_o respect_n which_o in_o those_o country_n where_o religion_n have_v the_o countenance_n of_o the_o high_a power_n may_v be_v expect_v thereby_o 36._o gen._n 34.3_o 21.22.2_o speed_n chron._n lib_n 7._o cap._n 36._o have_v we_o not_o read_v of_o the_o shichemite_n which_o be_v circumcise_v yet_o receive_v not_o the_o religion_n of_o the_o jew_n the_o chronicle_n of_o our_o land_n can_v tell_v we_o how_o the_o dane_n be_v vanquish_v propound_v to_o elfred_n the_o 24._o saxon_a monarch_n in_o england_n for_o obtain_v of_o their_o peace_n that_o their_o king_n shall_v receive_v baptism_n by_o which_o policy_n he_o get_v the_o country_n of_o the_o east_n angle_n by_o the_o gift_n of_o k._n elfred_n his_o godfather_n in_o those_o time_n it_o be_v usual_a to_o make_v baptism_n a_o condition_n and_o to_o compel_v man_n to_o baptism_n as_o king_n edmond_n do_v the_o dane_n to_o make_v they_o become_v his_o subject_n which_o be_v do_v they_o do_v soon_o cast_v off_o both_o faith_n and_o fealty_n at_o once_o and_o be_v not_o many_o of_o the_o mind_n of_o that_o roman_a pretext_n of_o who_o jerom_n speak_v who_o say_v scoff_o to_o damasus_n facite_fw-la i_o romanae_fw-la â—rbis_fw-la espiscopum_fw-la &_o ero_fw-la protinus_fw-la christanus_n i_o will_v conclude_v this_o passage_n with_o the_o censure_n of_o learned_a dr._n whittaker_n 292._o whittak_n praelect_a de_fw-fr sacram._n p._n 291._o 292._o absurdè_fw-la faciunt_fw-la ij_o qui_fw-la infidelium_fw-la liberos_fw-la baptizant_fw-la si_fw-la parent_n volunt_fw-la baptizari_fw-la quasi_fw-la ecclesia_fw-la svo_fw-la arbitrio_fw-la quibus_fw-la vellet_fw-la baptismum_fw-la dare_v posset_n they_o do_v absurd_o who_o baptise_v the_o child_n of_o infidel_n if_o the_o parent_n be_v willing_a to_o have_v they_o baptise_a as_o if_o the_o church_n at_o their_o own_o pleasure_n can_v baptise_v who_o they_o will_n pretence_n 2_o second_o pretence_n if_o the_o parent_n be_v no_o christian_n yet_o the_o surety_n be_v ans_fw-fr 1._o the_o customary_a use_n of_o surety_n in_o baptise_v infant_n though_o it_o seem_v ancient_a by_o the_o mention_n that_o be_v make_v of_o they_o in_o the_o synod_n of_o mentz_n 18._o synod_n mâ—gunt_n can._n 47._o aug._n serm_n 116._o 163._o epist_n 23._o ad_fw-la bonif_n tertull_n de_fw-fr bapt._n cap._n 18._o under_o the_o name_n of_o compatres_fw-la spirituales_fw-la spiritual_a father_n and_o mother_n and_o before_o that_o in_o augustine_n under_o the_o name_n of_o sponsores_fw-la and_o fidejussores_fw-la surety_n and_o before_o he_o in_o tertullian_n under_o the_o name_n of_o offerentes_fw-la presenter_n yet_o it_o be_v not_o from_o the_o ancient_n of_o day_n it_o be_v not_o from_o the_o beginning_n neither_o in_o the_o first_o institution_n of_o baptism_n nor_o the_o practice_n of_o the_o primitive_a church_n in_o the_o first_o century_n the_o first_o original_n of_o this_o custom_n seem_v to_o be_v this_o that_o they_o that_o take_v the_o child_n from_o the_o minister_n when_o it_o be_v baptize_v shall_v be_v call_v spiritual_a father_n and_o mother_n that_o the_o difference_n between_o the_o first_o and_o second_o birth_n of_o the_o 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unwarrantable_a custom_n and_o so_o express_v myself_o without_o any_o alteration_n the_o passage_n in_o the_o consistory_n the_o 11._o of_o feb._n 1634._o the_o answerer_n report_v some_o what_o disorderly_a in_o that_o he_o begin_v with_o that_o which_o be_v last_o and_o make_v the_o testification_n of_o the_o elder_n to_o follow_v that_o act_n which_o go_v before_o it_o whereby_o the_o right_a understanding_n of_o thing_n be_v hinder_v for_o after_o that_o private_a discourse_n before_o mention_v have_v pass_v between_o he_o and_o i_o and_o after_o some_o other_o speech_n in_o the_o consistory_n and_o after_o i_o have_v walk_v forth_o at_o their_o entreaty_n a_o great_a while_n that_o they_o may_v private_o consult_v be_v call_v in_o again_o to_o hear_v the_o issue_n whereunto_o matter_n be_v bring_v i_o find_v that_o the_o order_n speak_v of_o in_o the_o 13._o section_n be_v again_o renew_v and_o enlarge_v with_o this_o addition_n that_o the_o elder_n and_o deacon_n likewise_o 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to_o speak_v with_o i_o the_o end_n thereof_o be_v to_o relate_v the_o truth_n concern_v passage_n between_o the_o answerer_n and_o i_o to_o prevent_v and_o remove_v misreport_n 2._o to_o persuade_v they_o by_o reason_n not_o to_o require_v it_o of_o i_o as_o a_o condition_n of_o my_o call_n to_o rest_v in_o that_o writing_n 3._o to_o acquaint_v they_o with_o my_o desire_n of_o more_o time_n propound_v by_o i_o to_o the_o elder_n and_o accept_v by_o they_o wherein_o have_v the_o classis_fw-la condescend_v to_o so_o equal_a a_o motion_n it_o may_v have_v be_v much_o for_o the_o peace_n of_o the_o church_n i_o be_o certain_a i_o intend_v nothing_o else_o in_o it_o but_o they_o be_v herein_o oversway_v by_o sinister_a suggestion_n arise_v from_o a_o jealousy_n that_o if_o i_o have_v be_v in_o for_o a_o time_n the_o desire_n of_o the_o congregation_n will_v be_v more_o strong_a towards_o i_o where_o as_o my_o true_a purpose_n be_v in_o that_o time_n if_o i_o can_v not_o conform_v to_o their_o order_n to_o order_v matter_n so_o that_o they_o who_o much_o desire_v my_o settle_v there_o may_v be_v willing_a to_o think_v upon_o some_o other_o and_o my_o purpose_n be_v to_o have_v give_v the_o best_a help_n i_o can_v for_o the_o settle_n of_o some_o other_o who_o they_o shall_v desire_v in_o a_o way_n of_o peace_n and_o concord_n to_o conclude_v all_o that_o i_o aim_v at_o in_o that_o motion_n be_v either_o to_o accept_v their_o call_n with_o satisfaction_n to_o my_o conscience_n or_o to_o desist_v with_o the_o content_n of_o the_o member_n that_o so_o no_o disturbance_n may_v arise_v for_o my_o sake_n as_o for_o the_o deputation_n here_o speak_v of_o the_o minister_n depute_v only_o again_o pray_v i_o to_o yield_v to_o that_o writing_n as_o before_o there_o be_v two_o of_o the_o elder_n present_a at_o this_o time_n with_o some_o other_o witness_n hereof_o from_o we_o they_o go_v to_o the_o classis_fw-la and_o the_o same_o afternoon_n return_v to_o i_o with_o this_o answer_n or_o to_o this_o effect_n that_o the_o classis_fw-la do_v judge_v that_o i_o have_v time_n enough_o already_o to_o understand_v the_o order_n and_o custom_n of_o the_o dutch_a church_n and_o to_o satisfy_v myself_o concern_v the_o conformity_n require_v in_o that_o writing_n yet_o they_o be_v content_a that_o i_o shall_v proceed_v in_o assist_v mr._n p._n the_o month_n follow_v till_o the_o next_o classis_fw-la but_o require_v of_o i_o that_o if_o in_o the_o mean_a space_n i_o can_v not_o yield_v that_o i_o shall_v then_o desist_v voluntary_o else_o they_o must_v be_v constrain_v to_o complain_v to_o the_o magistrate_n which_o message_n i_o receive_v in_o the_o presence_n of_o diverse_a witness_n and_o promise_v to_o do_v according_o this_o i_o promise_v and_o perform_v i_o confess_v only_o for_o the_o church_n peace_n and_o my_o own_o yet_o dislike_a their_o injurious_a manner_n of_o proceed_v which_o i_o be_o content_a to_o pass_v by_o with_o such_o a_o touch_n till_o further_a provocation_n concern_v the_o three_o classical_a meeting_n it_o be_v true_a that_o have_v occasion_n of_o absence_n 1._o may._n 1._o at_o that_o time_n i_o leave_v my_o mind_n in_o wright_v with_o one_o of_o the_o elder_n both_o in_o latin_a and_o english_a to_o the_o end_n that_o he_o or_o they_o who_o the_o consistory_n shall_v depute_v to_o be_v at_o the_o next_o classis_fw-la might_n either_o report_n by_o word_n or_o show_v in_o wright_v my_o answer_n as_o shall_v be_v think_v most_o expedient_a it_o be_v also_o true_a that_o in_o that_o writing_n i_o signify_v that_o my_o mind_n be_v whole_o turn_v away_o from_o accept_v that_o call_n viz_o upon_o those_o term_n and_o that_o i_o do_v voluntary_o desist_v viz_o as_o the_o mariner_n do_v voluntary_o cast_v some_o good_n into_o the_o sea_n in_o a_o storm_n to_o prevent_v a_o great_a hurt_n and_o that_o i_o complain_v at_o the_o same_o time_n of_o the_o answerer_n unbrother_o usage_n of_o i_o in_o such_o particular_n as_o be_v there_o mention_v neither_o be_v those_o complaint_n unjust_a as_o the_o reader_n may_v partly_o perceive_v by_o what_o have_v be_v say_v &_o may_v more_o full_o when_o the_o answerer_n shall_v attempt_v to_o clear_v himself_o of_o the_o particular_n there_o charge_v upon_o he_o which_o here_o he_o do_v not_o neither_o indeed_o can_v he_o concern_v the_o magistrate_n require_v of_o they_o to_o desist_v it_o will_v be_v know_v by_o who_o procurement_n this_o be_v do_v and_o for_o he_o that_o stir_v they_o up_o thereunto_o my_o hearty_a prayer_n be_v that_o he_o may_v escape_v the_o judgement_n of_o god_n by_o judge_v himself_o for_o that_o unrighteous_a act_n else_o i_o fear_v he_o will_v find_v that_o injury_n do_v against_o a_o church_n in_o such_o important_a case_n be_v no_o small_a sin_n concern_v a_o answer_n make_v to_o my_o writing_n by_o some_o who_o the_o classis_fw-la depute_v thereunto_o that_o answer_n be_v never_o communicate_v to_o i_o though_o i_o have_v hear_v a_o report_n thereof_o have_v i_o peruse_v it_o i_o shall_v have_v either_o yield_v or_o reply_v as_o the_o case_n have_v require_v have_v this_o answerer_n be_v of_o the_o same_o mind_n with_o they_o to_o suppress_v this_o treatise_n as_o they_o do_v their_o writing_n which_o i_o believe_v be_v more_o in_o offencive_o pen_v the_o adversary_n may_v have_v want_v that_o cause_n of_o insult_a and_o reproach_v we_o for_o these_o contention_n and_o jar_n which_o now_o they_o seem_v to_o have_v the_o answer_n to_o sect_n 20._o examine_a concern_v my_o pretend_a preach_v in_o a_o private_a house_n that_o the_o truth_n of_o this_o passage_n may_v appear_v the_o reader_n may_v be_v please_v to_o understand_v 1_o that_o after_o my_o desistance_n from_o the_o public_a work_n i_o will_v have_v return_v to_o my_o own_o country_n but_o that_o it_o be_v now_o more_o unsafe_a and_o hazardous_a for_o i_o so_o to_o do_v then_o former_o by_o a_o malicious_a and_o false_a report_n suggest_v against_o i_o in_o england_n by_o one_o in_o amsterdam_n who_o name_n i_o will_v conceal_v for_o some_o reason_n at_o this_o time_n this_o audacious_a sycophant_n be_v not_o ashamed_a to_o inform_v that_o i_o have_v in_o the_o pulpit_n rail_v against_o the_o government_n of_o england_n against_o which_o the_o answerer_n and_o the_o whole_a church_n be_v able_a and_o i_o hope_v ready_a to_o testify_v for_o my_o innocency_n in_o that_o particular_a yea_o any_o that_o have_v hear_v or_o know_v i_o i_o think_v will_v undertake_v for_o i_o that_o i_o be_o far_o from_o rail_v at_o any_o time_n much_o more_o in_o the_o pulpit_n and_o my_o own_o conscience_n abundant_o clear_v i_o thereof_o in_o the_o sight_n of_o god_n yet_o this_o report_n be_v too_o easy_o receive_v and_o
refer_v the_o reader_n so_o do_v i_o and_o also_o to_o sect._n 11._o and_o 14._o that_o it_o may_v appear_v how_o just_o i_o complain_v of_o the_o two_o injury_n which_o he_o noat_v also_o concern_v the_o five_o objection_n answer_v by_o i_o in_o that_o three_o writing_n i_o do_v concur_v with_o he_o in_o refer_v the_o reader_n to_o the_o section_n mention_v by_o he_o and_o examine_v by_o i_o where_o it_o appear_v that_o the_o first_o the_o second_o the_o three_o the_o four_o the_o five_o be_v not_o refute_v but_o remain_v unanswered_a in_o sect._n 14._o sect._n 15._o sect._n 15._o sect._n 10._o sect._n 18._o in_o like_a manner_n concern_v my_o six_o reason_n to_o prove_v that_o he_o never_o desire_v to_o have_v i_o to_o be_v his_o colleague_n of_o which_o reason_n the_o first_o second_v third_z fourth_z fifth_z sixth_z be_v not_o answer_v in_o sect._n 9_o sect_n 8._o sect._n 17._o sect._n 12._o sect._n 28._o sect._n 6._o seaventhly_a in_o that_o which_o he_o add_v upon_o the_o grant_n of_o this_o supposition_n that_o he_o have_v not_o desire_v i_o diverse_a thing_n be_v considerable_a 1._o his_o unjust_a accusation_n of_o i_o by_o way_n of_o intimation_n as_o if_o i_o do_v quaraile_n and_o contend_v with_o he_o because_o he_o do_v not_o desire_v i_o whereas_o it_o be_v neither_o so_o nor_o so_o for_o neither_o be_v it_o my_o intent_n in_o that_o writing_n to_o quaraile_n but_o to_o answer_v objection_n nor_o do_v i_o blame_v he_o at_o all_o for_o not_o desire_v i_o for_o he_o may_v use_v his_o liberty_n for_o i_o to_o place_v his_o desire_n upon_o a_o more_o desirable_a object_n but_o for_o pretend_v his_o desire_n to_o have_v i_o with_o he_o when_o he_o do_v real_o hinder_v my_o settle_n there_o 2._o his_o sarcasticall_a insultation_n when_o he_o taunt_o demand_v be_v he_o such_o a_o man_n of_o desire_n etc._n etc._n reply_v 1_o it_o seem_v that_o i_o be_o not_o such_o a_o man_n of_o desire_n in_o his_o account_n yet_o in_o the_o esteem_n of_o that_o church_n and_o of_o the_o classis_fw-la how_o unworthy_a soever_o i_o be_o in_o myself_o it_o seem_v i_o be_o else_o how_o come_v it_o to_o pass_v that_o they_o account_v themselves_o so_o injury_v by_o his_o oppose_a and_o reject_v i_o as_o appear_v in_o their_o complaint_n and_o that_o these_o so_o much_o desire_v that_o i_o may_v be_v promote_v to_o the_o ministry_n of_o that_o church_n 12.16.19_o sect_n 12.16.19_o as_o he_o have_v former_o testify_v 2._o if_o i_o be_o not_o such_o a_o man_n of_o desire_n in_o his_o account_n yet_o i_o shall_v not_o be_v such_o a_o man_n of_o scorn_n and_o contempt_n to_o be_v so_o trample_v upon_o in_o a_o strange_a land_n and_o expose_v to_o reproach_n and_o that_o by_o a_o brother_n and_o in_o print_n whereby_o i_o be_o now_o become_v a_o man_n of_o sorrow_n and_o that_o in_o many_o respect_n 3._o his_o voluntary_a concession_n or_o acknowledgement_n by_o way_n of_o supposition_n and_o intimation_n that_o he_o withhold_v his_o desire_n from_o i_o in_o the_o act_n of_o election_n be_v considerable_a for_o if_o when_o his_o voice_n go_v with_o the_o rest_n for_o my_o election_n he_o withhold_v his_o desire_n from_o i_o how_o can_v it_o be_v think_v that_o he_o do_v at_o all_o desire_v i_o for_o do_v he_o give_v his_o vote_n for_o i_o do_v he_o subscribe_v my_o call_n with_o his_o own_o hand_n in_o that_o writing_n whereof_o himself_o be_v the_o penman_n do_v he_o himself_o accompany_v with_o one_o of_o the_o elder_n bring_v it_o to_o i_o and_o pray_v i_o to_o accept_v of_o it_o and_o yet_o do_v he_o withhold_v his_o desire_n from_o i_o in_o the_o act_n of_o election_n no_o marvayle_n then_o if_o he_o hold_v i_o so_o to_o this_o question_n no_o marvayle_n that_o he_o refuse_v the_o mean_n propound_v by_o i_o for_o accommodation_n no_o marvayle_n that_o he_o procure_v that_o writing_n of_o the_o five_o minister_n howsoever_o by_o some_o of_o they_o intend_v in_o favour_n of_o i_o they_o thinck_v that_o he_o saught_v to_o accommodate_v i_o 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