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discipline_n by_o his_o word_n &_o subscription_n may_v be_v think_v to_o allow_v of_o her_o majesty_n supreme_a government_n which_o the_o law_n of_o this_o land_n do_v give_v unto_o she_o in_o this_o case_n he_o be_v as_o silent_a as_o harpocrates_n 15._o 53._o ibidem_fw-la q._n 53._o i_o desire_v to_o know_v whether_o m._n cartwright_n have_v not_o teach_v that_o the_o authority_n which_o they_o challenge_v to_o their_o eldership_n and_o synod_n by_o their_o holy_a discipline_n as_o they_o call_v it_o be_v neither_o increase_v nor_o diminish_v whether_o the_o prince_n be_v christian_n or_o heathen_a and_o likewise_o if_o he_o do_v not_o think_v or_o have_v not_o teach_v that_o the_o authority_n of_o a_o christian_a and_o heathen_a prince_n be_v all_o one_o and_o that_o a_o christian_a king_n have_v no_o more_o to_o do_v with_o the_o church_n government_n than_o any_o pagan_a prince_n or_o emperor_n have_v but_o he_o will_v tell_v we_o nothing_o 16._o 54._o ibidem_fw-la q._n 54._o i_o ask_v m._n cartwright_n whether_o he_o &_o his_o adherent_n have_v not_o put_v the_o great_a part_n of_o their_o discipline_n in_o practice_n without_o her_o majesty_n consent_n authority_n or_o allowance_n and_o likewise_o without_o her_o authority_n or_o knowledge_n have_v not_o both_o make_v secret_a meeting_n and_o establish_v diverse_a new_a order_n and_o broach_v new_a opinion_n and_o all_o contrary_a to_o the_o doctrine_n faith_n and_o government_n of_o this_o church_n of_o england_n this_o string_n m._n cartwright_n dare_v not_o touch_v 17._o 55._o ibidem_fw-la q._n 55._o i_o ask_v he_o whether_o he_o be_v not_o presumptuous_a if_o no_o more_o in_o do_v these_o thing_n and_o whether_o he_o ought_v not_o to_o be_v bring_v public_o to_o submit_v himself_o for_o his_o fault_n likewise_o it_o may_v be_v here_o ask_v of_o he_o whether_o have_v both_o in_o fenner_n book_n and_o his_o reply_n and_o writing_n teach_v write_v and_o allow_v diverse_a point_n of_o false-doctrine_n he_o be_v not_o to_o be_v bring_v to_o a_o public_a recantation_n for_o satisfaction_n of_o those_o weak_a one_o that_o he_o have_v offend_v will_v it_o please_v he_o yet_o to_o answer_v this_o question_n direct_o 18._o 57_o answer_v to_o the_o petit_fw-fr qu._n 57_o i_o demand_v whether_o m._n cartwright_n swear_v true_o in_o the_o star-chamber_n when_o he_o affirm_v on_o his_o oath_n that_o he_o never_o affirm_v or_o allow_v that_o in_o every_o monarchy_n there_o ought_v to_o be_v certain_a magistrate_n like_v to_o the_o spartaine_a ephori_fw-la with_o authority_n to_o control_v and_o depose_v the_o king_n and_o to_o proceed_v further_o against_o he_o see_v he_o call_v m._n fenner_n book_n wherein_o these_o point_n be_v express_o set_v down_o the_o principle_n and_o ground_n of_o heavenly_a canaan_n and_o do_v not_o only_o without_o all_o exception_n allow_v it_o but_o also_o high_o commend_v it_o this_o be_v also_o a_o point_n which_o he_o dare_v