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tit._n 4._o l._n 29._o ex_fw-la editione_n gothofredi_n si_fw-mi non_fw-la rata_fw-la habuerit_fw-la utraque_fw-la pars_fw-la que_fw-la judicata_fw-la sunt_fw-la tunâ—_n beatissimus_fw-la patriarcha_fw-la dioceseâ—s_fw-la illius_fw-la inter_fw-la eos_fw-la audiat_fw-la etc._n etc._n nulla_fw-la parte_fw-la ejus_fw-la sententiae_fw-la contradiâ—ere_fw-la valente_fw-la authen_n collat._n 9_o tit._n 1â—_n c._n 22._o 22._o et_fw-la ille_fw-la scilicet_fw-la patriarcha_fw-la secundum_fw-la canon_n &_o leges_fw-la praebeat_fw-la finem_fw-la and_o there_o he_o cite_v the_o novel_a its_o self_n s._n greg_n l._n 11._o indict_v â—_o epist._n 54._o 54._o si_fw-mi dictum_fw-la fuerit_fw-la quod_fw-la nec_fw-la metropolitaâ—um_fw-la habeat_fw-la nec_fw-la patriarcham_fw-la dicendum_fw-la est_fw-la quòd_fw-la à _fw-la sede_n apostolicà _fw-fr quae_fw-la omnium_fw-la ecclesiarum_fw-la caput_fw-la est_fw-la causa_fw-la aâ—dienda_fw-la est_fw-la etc._n etc._n s._n greg._n ibid._n ibid._n notitia_fw-la provinciarum_fw-la occidentalium_fw-la per_fw-la guidum_fw-la pancirolum_fw-la l._n 2._o c._n 48._o 48._o hunc_fw-la cunctis_fw-la liberalium_fw-la artium_fw-la disciplinis_fw-la eraditum_fw-la pro_fw-la magistro_fw-la tâ—â—eamus_fw-la &_o quasi_fw-la comparem_fw-la velut_fw-la alterius_fw-la orbis_n apostolicâ—m_fw-la &_o patriarcham_fw-la etc._n etc._n jo._n capgravius_n de_fw-fr vitis_n sanctorum_fw-la in_fw-la vitâ_fw-la s._n anselmâ—_n et_fw-fr guil._n malmesburiens_fw-la de_fw-fr gestis_fw-la poâ—â—ificum_n anglorum_fw-la p._n 223._o edit_fw-la francoâ—_n 1601._o 1601._o ibi_fw-la cantuaria_n id_fw-la est_fw-la prima_fw-la sedes_fw-la arcniepiscopi_n habetur_fw-la qui_fw-la est_fw-la totius_fw-la angliae_fw-la primaâ—_n &_o patriarcha_fw-la guil._n malmesburiensis_fw-la in_o prologue_n lib._n 1._o de_fw-la gestis_fw-la pontiâ—icum_fw-la anglorum_fw-la p._n 195._o 195._o praeterea_fw-la &_o qui_fw-la sunt_fw-la 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d in_o barbarico_fw-la episcopi_fw-la à _fw-fr sanctissimâ—_n throâ—o_fw-la sanctissiâ—â—_n constantinopolitâ—â—â—_n ecclesiae_fw-la ordinintur_n codex_fw-la canonum_fw-la ecclesiae_fw-la universae_fw-la can._n 206._o and_o justellus_n prove_v it_o there_o at_o large_a that_o by_o in_o barbarico_fw-la in_o that_o canon_n be_v mean_v in_o solo_n barbarorum_fw-la annot._fw-la ibid._n ibid._n nâ—â—umosum_fw-la typhum_fw-la seculi_fw-la in_o ecclesiam_fw-la christi_fw-la videatur_fw-la inducere_fw-la etc._n etc._n epist._n council_n asric_n ad_fw-la papam_fw-la coelestinum_n primum_fw-la apud_fw-la nicolin_n tom._n 1._o council_n p._n 844._o 844._o epist._n bonifacii_n 2._o apud_fw-la â—col_fw-la tom._n 2._o council_n p._n 544._o 544._o exemp_n precum_fw-la apud_fw-la nicolin_n ibid._n p._n 525._o 525._o baron_fw-fr annal_n an._n ad_fw-la 49._o nu._n 93_o 94._o 94._o valde_fw-la mihi_fw-la illae_fw-la epistolae_fw-la suspect_v sunt_fw-la bellar._n l._n 2._o de_fw-fr rom._n pont._n c._n 2d_o §._o respondeo_fw-la primùm_fw-la sed_fw-la si_fw-la fortè_fw-la illae_fw-la epistolae_fw-la verâ—_n sunt_fw-la nihil_fw-la enim_fw-la affirmo_fw-la etc._n etc._n ibid._n §._o ult_n ult_n and_o so_o the_o council_n of_o carthage_n send_v word_n to_o pope_n coelestint_v plain_o that_o in_o admit_v such_o appeal_n he_o break_v the_o decree_n of_o the_o council_n of_o niâ—t_n epist._n council_n africa_n ad_fw-la caelestinum_n c._n 105._o apud_fw-la nicolin_n tom._n 1._o council_n p._n 844._o 844._o planè_fw-la ex_fw-la ecclesia_fw-la catholicae_fw-la albo_fw-la expungâ—nda_fw-la fuissent_fw-la sanctorum_fw-la africanorum_n martyrum_fw-la agmâ—na_fw-la qui_fw-la in_o persecutione_n vandalica_fw-la pro_fw-la fide_fw-la catholica_fw-la etc._n etc._n baron_n an._n 419._o num._n 93._o et_fw-la binius_fw-la in_o notis_n ad_fw-la epist._n bonifacii_n 2._o add_v eulalium_n eulalium_n §._o 24._o nu._n 5._o 5._o bel._n l._n 2._o de_fw-fr rom._n poâ—â—_n c._n 25._o §._o 2._o a._n c._n p._n 58._o 58._o §._o 25._o nu._n 10._o 10._o quod_fw-la autem_fw-la postea_fw-la unus_n electus_fw-la est_fw-la qui_fw-la caeteris_fw-la praeponâ—retur_fw-la in_fw-la schismatis_fw-la remedium_fw-la factum_fw-la est_fw-la â—e_z unus_fw-la cuique_fw-la ad_fw-la se_fw-la traâ—â—â—s_fw-la christi_fw-la ecclesiam_fw-la ruâ—peret_fw-la no_o &_o alexandria_n à _fw-fr marco_n evangelista_n presbyteri_fw-la semper_fw-la unum_fw-la exâ—se_fw-la electum_fw-la in_fw-la excellentiori_fw-la gradu_fw-la collocatum_fw-la episcopum_fw-la nominabant_fw-la etc._n etc._n s._n hieron_n in_o epist._n ad_fw-la evagrium_fw-la so_o even_o according_a to_o s._n hierom_n bishop_n have_v a_o very_a ancient_a and_o honourable_a descent_n in_o the_o church_n from_o s._n mark_v the_o evangelist_n and_o about_o the_o end_n of_o the_o same_o epistle_n he_o acknowledge_v it_o traditionem_fw-la esse_fw-la apostolicam_fw-la nay_o more_o than_o so_o he_o affirm_v plain_o that_o ubi_fw-la non_fw-la est_fw-la sacerdos_n non_fw-la est_fw-la ecclesia_fw-la s._n hieron_n advers._fw-la luciferian_n and_o in_o that_o place_n most_o manifest_a it_o be_v that_o s._n jerom_n by_o sacerdos_n mean_v a_o bishop_n for_o he_o speak_v de_fw-fr sacerdote_fw-la qui_fw-la potestatem_fw-la habet_fw-la ordinandi_fw-la which_o in_o s._n jeroms_n own_o judgement_n no_o mere_a priest_n have_v but_o a_o bishop_n only_o s._n hier._n epist._n ad_fw-la evagrium_fw-la so_o even_o with_o he_o no_o bishop_n and_o no_o church_n church_n non_fw-la enim_fw-la resp._n est_fw-la in_o ecclesia_fw-la sed_fw-la ecclesia_fw-la in_o repub._n optat._n â—_o 3._o 3._o conc._n calce_v can._n 9_o &_o actio_fw-la 16._o 16._o s._n cyprian_n l._n de_fw-fr simp._n praelat_fw-la praelat_fw-la 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d â—_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d sive_fw-la se_fw-la 〈◊〉_d esse_fw-la greg._n naz._n carâ—_n de_fw-fr vita_fw-la sua_fw-la p._n 26._o 26._o orientalibus_fw-la levitas_fw-la occidentalibus_fw-la arrogantia_fw-la inuicem_fw-la objecta_fw-la est_fw-la bilius_fw-la annâ—t_fw-la in_o s._n gregor_n naz._n vitam_fw-la num._n 153._o quid_fw-la opus_fw-la est_fw-la occidentali_fw-la supercitio_fw-la ex_fw-la 〈◊〉_d basil_n etc._n etc._n etc._n hec_fw-la una_fw-la suis_fw-la causa_fw-la quare_fw-la pelagius_n injuâ—â—â—_n principis_fw-la pontifex_fw-la creatus_fw-la sit_fw-la q_o 〈…〉_z obsessam_fw-la ab_fw-la host_n urbem_fw-la mitti_fw-la quispiam_fw-la non_fw-la posset_n etc._n etc._n postea_fw-la itaque_fw-la ad_fw-la placandum_fw-la imperatorem_fw-la gregorius_n diaconus_fw-la etc._n etc._n platina_n in_o vitâ_fw-la pelagic_a 2._o &_o onuph_n ibid._n ibid._n onuph_n in_o plat._n in_o vita_fw-la boniâ—_n 3._o 3._o in_o hac_fw-la ejus_fw-la 〈◊〉_d quid_fw-la aliud_fw-la nisi_fw-la propanqua_fw-la jam_fw-la antichristi_fw-la esse_fw-la tempora_fw-la designatur_fw-la s._n greg._n l._n 4._o epist._n â—8_o â—8_o it_o may_v be_v they_o will_v say_v s._n gregory_n do_v not_o inveigh_v against_o the_o thing_n but_o the_o person_n that_o john_n of_o constantinople_n shall_v take_v that_o upon_o he_o which_o belong_v to_o the_o pope_n but_o it_o be_v manifest_a by_o s._n gregoâ—â—s_v own_o text_n that_o he_o speak_v against_o the_o thing_n itself_o that_o neither_o the_o bishop_n of_o rome_n nor_o any_o other_o aught_o to_o take_v on_o he_o that_o 〈◊〉_d cura_fw-la totius_fw-la ecclesiae_fw-la &_o principatus_fw-la s_o petro_n 〈◊〉_d &_o tamen_fw-la universalis_fw-la apostolus_fw-la non_fw-la voco_fw-la s._n greg._n l._n 4._o epist._n 76._o therefore_o neither_o be_v his_o successor_n universal_a bishop_n nuâ—quid_fw-la ego_fw-la hac_fw-la in_o re_fw-la propriam_fw-la causam_fw-la defendo_fw-la â—â—â—quid_fw-la specâ—alem_fw-la injuriam_fw-la vindiâ—o_fw-la &_o non_fw-la magis_fw-la causam_fw-la omni_fw-la 〈…〉_z dei_fw-la &_o universalis_fw-la ecclesiae_fw-la where_o â—e_v plain_o deny_v that_o he_o speak_v in_o his_o own_o cause_n or_o in_o the_o cause_n of_o his_o sea_n per_n venâ—randam_n chalcedonensem_fw-la synodum_fw-la hoc_fw-la nomen_fw-la rom._n pontifici_fw-la oblatum_n est_fw-la sed_fw-la nullus_fw-la eorum_fw-la unquam_fw-la hoc_fw-la 〈◊〉_d vocabulum_fw-la assumpsit_fw-la nec_fw-la â—ti_fw-la consensâ—â—_fw-la ne_fw-la dum_fw-la privatum_fw-la aliquid_fw-la daretur_fw-la uni_fw-la â—onore_fw-la debito_fw-la sacerdotes_fw-la privarentur_fw-la universi_fw-la etc._n etc._n where_o he_o plain_o say_v the_o roman_a bishop_n reject_v this_o title_n ibid._n and_o yet_o for_o all_o this_o pope_n gregory_n the_o seven_o deliver_v it_o as_o one_o of_o he_o dictate_v in_o a_o council_n hold_v at_o rome_n about_o the_o year_n 1â—76_n quod_fw-la 〈◊〉_d romanus_n pontifex_fw-la jure_fw-la dicatur_fw-la universalis_fw-la baron_fw-fr aâ—_n an._n â—076_n num._n 31_o &_o 32._o 32._o absit_fw-la à _fw-la cordibus_fw-la christianorum_fw-la nomen_fw-la istud_fw-la blasphemy_n s._n greg._n l._n 4._o epist._n 76._o in_o isto_fw-la scelesto_fw-la vocabulo_fw-la consentire_fw-la nihil_fw-la est_fw-la aliud_fw-la quam_fw-la fidem_fw-la pâ—rdere_fw-mi s._n greg._n l._n 4._o epist._n 83._o 83._o vana_fw-la tunc_fw-la â—abebatur_fw-la cleri_fw-la &_o populi_n electio_fw-la nisi_fw-la aut_fw-la imperatores_fw-la aut_fw-la eorum_fw-la exarchi_fw-la confirmassent_fw-la plat._n in_o vita_fw-la severini_n 1_o 1_o quum_fw-la theophylactus_n exarchus_n imperatoris_fw-la itali_fw-la be_o peteret_fw-la milites_fw-la itali_fw-la veriti_fw-la ne_fw-la quid_fw-la mali_fw-la ejus_fw-la adventus_n portenderet_fw-la quod_fw-la superioribus_fw-la temporibus_fw-la ferâ—_n magis_fw-la cum_fw-la pontificibus_fw-la quam_fw-la cum_fw-la imperatoribus_fw-la sensissent_fw-la ingressurum_fw-la romam_fw-la interficere_fw-la constituerant_fw-la and_o the_o emperor_n own_o governor_n be_v fain_o to_o be_v defend_v from_o the_o emperor_n own_o soldier_n by_o the_o pope_n power_n who_o have_v get_v interest_n in_o they_o against_o their_o own_o master_n platina_n in_o vita_fw-la johan_n 6._o absimarus_n be_v then_o emperor_n emperor_n primus_fw-la omnium_fw-la rom._n pontificum_fw-la imperatori_fw-la grâ—â—o_fw-la