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assemble_v chief_o for_o the_o suppress_n of_o the_o arian_n heresy_n at_o which_o council_n athanasius_n himself_o be_v present_a this_o council_n consist_v of_o three_o hundred_o bishop_n and_o more_o the_o great_a part_n whereof_o by_o their_o voice_n do_v absolute_o condemn_v the_o arian_n heresy_n now_o how_o can_v it_o be_v conceive_v that_o all_o the_o say_a bishop_n speak_v nothing_o of_o the_o orthodoxal_a laity_n of_o that_o time_n except_v only_a athanasius_n shall_v instant_o either_o a_o fore_n or_o after_o apostatate_n or_o through_o fear_n of_o persecution_n external_o profess_v the_o arian_n heresy_n again_o the_o truth_n of_o this_o point_n be_v further_o confirm_v from_o the_o epistle_n which_o athanasius_n and_o the_o bishop_n of_o thebes_n and_o lybia_n gather_v together_o in_o the_o council_n of_o alexandria_n do_v write_v to_o pope_n paelix_fw-la the_o second_o of_o that_o name_n wherein_o they_o unanimous_o protest_v to_o defend_v with_o all_o christian_a resolution_n their_o orthodoxal_a faith_n against_o their_o enemy_n the_o arian_n three_o the_o falsehood_n of_o the_o former_a assertion_n be_v evict_v from_o that_o that_o many_o father_n and_o doctor_n live_v in_o the_o very_a age_n of_o aâ—hanasius_n and_o libertus_fw-la and_o diverse_a of_o they_o even_o in_o the_o day_n of_o athanasius_n and_o well_o know_v to_o he_o do_v refute_v and_o contradict_v ex_fw-la professo_fw-la the_o arian_n heresy_n in_o their_o learned_a write_n as_o for_o example_n eunomium_fw-la basil_n theolog_fw-la gregory_n nazianzen_n trinitate_fw-la gregory_n nyssene_n catecheses_n cyrill_n of_o jerusalem_n trinitate_fw-la hilarius_n timot._n ambrose_n 69._o epiphanius_n and_o some_o other_o now_o in_o respect_n of_o the_o premise_n can_v it_o be_v but_o dream_v that_o there_o shall_v be_v no_o professor_n of_o the_o divinity_n of_o christ_n in_o those_o day_n but_o only_o athanasius_n or_o liberius_n pag._n 25._o the_o pamphleter_n leave_v example_n &_o 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passion_n of_o christ_n do_v make_v this_o spiritual_a treasure_n from_o whence_o indulgence_n do_v flow_v ad_fw-la hearto_fw-la that_o if_o s._n paul_n may_v true_o say_v in_o a_o researued_a sense_n add_v imple_a ea_fw-la quae_fw-la desunt_fw-la passionum_fw-la christi_fw-la in_o earn_v mea_fw-la 1._o pro_fw-la corporâ—â—ius_fw-la quod_fw-la est_fw-la ecclesia_fw-la i_o do_v fulfil_v those_o thing_n that_o do_v want_n of_o the_o passion_n of_o christ_n in_o my_o flesh_n for_o his_o body_n which_o be_v the_o church_n word_n which_o if_o any_o catholic_a shall_v have_v aver_v of_o any_o one_o saint_n without_o the_o warrant_n of_o the_o apostle_n he_o shall_v have_v be_v mighre_o calumniate_v and_o wrong_v by_o the_o protestant_n then_o follow_v it_o that_o the_o affliction_n and_o suffering_n of_o s._n paul_n as_o receive_v their_o force_n from_o christ_n passion_n may_v be_v say_v without_o any_o indignity_n to_o christ_n to_o encreasse_n this_o spiritual_a treasure_n of_o the_o church_n for_o these_o former_a word_n do_v not_o import_v that_o there_o be_v any_o defect_n in_o the_o passion_n of_o christ_n but_o that_o the_o suffering_n of_o s._n paul_n do_v fulfil_v the_o plenitude_n of_o christ_n his_o passion_n and_o his_o member_n for_o the_o benefit_n of_o those_o to_o who_o they_o be_v to_o be_v communicate_v for_o as_o christ_n be_v the_o invisible_a and_o supreme_a head_n of_o his_o church_n do_v with_o his_o church_n make_v but_o one_o mystical_a body_n so_o his_o suffering_n with_o the_o suffering_n of_o his_o member_n receive_v all_o their_o force_n and_o efficacy_n from_o the_o passion_n of_o christ_n do_v make_v as_o s._n 61._o austin_n affirm_v one_o common_a and_o public_a weâ—le_n or_o one_o public_a treasure_n and_o according_a hereto_o it_o be_v that_o we_o find_v offer_v s._n paul_n affliction_n sometime_o for_o the_o 1._o colossian_n at_o other_o time_n for_o the_o corinthian_n 1._o he_o desire_v at_o one_o time_n to_o die_v for_o the_o roman_n 9_o at_o a_o other_o time_n to_o become_v a_o aâ—athemâ—_n for_o they_o to_o proceed_v further_o the_o old_a testament_n itself_o warrant_v this_o mutual_a communication_n of_o one_o suffer_v for_o a_o other_o and_o in_o this_o sense_n it_o be_v say_v of_o god_n church_n there_o entitle_v jerusalem_n that_o it_o be_v â—21_n as_o a_o city_n who_o participationes_fw-la in_o itself_o that_o be_v as_o in_o a_o public_a city_n there_o be_v a_o general_a traffic_n for_o the_o public_a benefit_n of_o every_o particular_a citizen_n so_o in_o the_o city_n of_o god_n which_o be_v his_o church_n there_o be_v a_o communion_n or_o participation_n of_o all_o the_o spiritual_a work_n thereof_o to_o the_o general_a benefit_n and_o behoof_n of_o eich_n particular_a man._n and_o upon_o this_o ground_n it_o be_v that_o david_n say_v in_o respect_n of_o the_o communication_n of_o one_o man_n suffering_n for_o a_o other_o 218._o
i_o be_o make_v partaker_n of_o all_o that_o fear_v the_o lord_n now_o this_o former_a doctrine_n touch_v the_o suffering_n of_o one_o to_o be_v apply_v to_o a_o other_o be_v the_o undoubted_a true_a and_o ancient_a doctrine_n of_o christ_n church_n upon_o which_o ground_n indulgance_n be_v build_v it_o from_o hence_o appear_v how_o idle_o and_o impertinent_o our_o adversaries_n do_v urge_v some_o text_n of_o scripture_n to_o the_o contrary_a as_o where_o it_o be_v say_v the_o 18._o soul_n which_o sin_v â—â—en_o that_o shall_v die_v and_o again_o 6._o every_o one_o shall_v be_v be_v his_o own_o burden_n and_o more_o no_o 49._o man_n câ—â—_n redeem_v his_o brother_n or_o give_v a_o price_n to_o god_n for_o he_o all_o which_o text_n be_v speak_v of_o the_o state_n of_o eternal_a damnation_n and_o therefore_o impertinent_o allege_v in_o which_o state_n a_o man_n deparâ—eth_v out_o of_o this_o world_n but_o they_o be_v not_o speak_v of_o temporal_a punishment_n only_o which_o be_v reserve_v after_o the_o guilt_n of_o eternal_a damnation_n be_v remit_v which_o be_v the_o point_n here_o controvert_v if_o it_o be_v urge_v against_o this_o doctrine_n that_o the_o action_n of_o the_o saint_n decease_a be_v merit_n to_o themselves_o and_o therefore_o can_v be_v apply_v as_o satisfaction_n for_o other_o â—o_o this_o i_o answer_v that_o one_o and_o the_o same_o action_n may_v be_v in_o a_o different_a respect_n both_o meritorious_a and_o satisfactory_a meritorious_a as_o it_o proceed_v from_o supernatural_a grace_n satisfactory_a as_o it_o be_v perform_v with_o pain_n labour_n and_o difficulty_n according_a hereto_o we_o read_v in_o scripture_n that_o almeâ—deeds_n do_v both_o merit_n and_o satisfy_v for_o sin_n for_o thus_o we_o read_v 9_o whosoever_o shall_v give_v in_o my_o name_n a_o cup_n of_o cold_a water_n etc._n etc._n he_o shall_v not_o loose_v his_o reward_n here_o be_v merit_n we_o also_o read_v of_o almeâ—deeds_n 4._o in_o this_o sort_n almesdeed_n deliver_v we_o from_o sin_n and_o death_n and_o again_o as_o 3._o water_n quench_v the_o fire_n so_o almesdeed_n extinguish_v sin_n here_o be_v satisfaction_n here_o also_o we_o be_v to_o conceaâ—e_v that_o though_o the_o same_o action_n may_v be_v meritorious_a and_o satisfactory_a yet_o a_o man_n merit_v only_o for_o himself_o &_o not_o for_o other_o but_o satisfy_v he_o may_v both_o for_o himself_o and_o for_o other_o only_a christ_n our_o saviour_n have_v merit_v both_o grace_n and_o glory_n for_o we_o all_o and_o also_o have_v satisfy_v for_o the_o sin_n of_o all_o man_n yet_o the_o worth_n and_o price_n of_o his_o merit_n we_o can_v apply_v only_o to_o ourselves_o by_o our_o meritorious_a action_n and_o not_o derive_v it_o to_o any_o other_o but_o the_o benefit_n of_o his_o satisfaction_n we_o may_v derive_v by_o our_o own_o satisfactory_a work_n not_o only_o to_o ourselves_o but_o also_o to_o other_o where_o it_o be_v vulgar_o object_v that_o juduigence_n be_v oftentimes_o grant_v for_o more_o thousand_o of_o year_n than_o the_o world_n or_o purgatory_n be_v like_a to_o endure_v and_o continue_v and_o that_o therefore_o they_o be_v ridiculous_o and_o foolish_o grant_v i_o answer_v this_o argument_n proceed_v from_o mere_a ignorance_n for_o here_o the_o year_n be_v not_o to_o be_v understand_v of_o the_o year_n or_o day_n of_o penal_a satisfaction_n which_o be_v to_o be_v impose_v in_o purgatory_n but_o of_o the_o number_n of_o year_n which_o be_v more_o or_o less_o in_o number_n proportion_v according_a to_o the_o diversity_n of_o the_o crime_n by_o the_o canonical_a decree_n of_o the_o church_n and_o here_o we_o be_v further_a to_o know_v that_o god_n in_o the_o space_n and_o compass_v of_o a_o hour_n or_o some_o such_o short_a time_n may_v by_o the_o bitter_a pain_n of_o purgatory_n expiate_v that_o which_o in_o this_o life_n a_o remiss_a and_o slow_a penance_n or_o satisfaction_n will_v scarce_o redeem_v in_o the_o compass_n of_o many_o year_n now_o touch_v the_o antiquity_n of_o indulgence_n we_o find_v they_o practise_v by_o s._n paul_n who_o thus_o say_v of_o the_o incestuous_a person_n who_o 2._o you_o have_v pardon_v i_o also_o pardon_v for_o that_o which_o i_o have_v pardon_v in_o the_o person_n of_o christ_n for_o you_o i_o have_v do_v it_o that_o we_o be_v not_o circumvent_v of_o satan_n here_o now_o we_o be_v to_o remember_v that_o the_o incestuous_a person_n to_o who_o the_o indulgence_n be_v here_o give_v be_v in_o great_a contrition_n and_o sorrow_n for_o his_o sin_n be_v excommunicate_v by_o s._n paul_n who_o at_o the_o request_n of_o the_o corinthian_n do_v release_v he_o of_o his_o excommunication_n for_o fear_v he_o may_v fall_n into_o despair_n now_o in_o this_o example_n we_o find_v all_o thing_n necessary_a to_o a_o indulgence_n or_o pardon_n as_o first_o the_o authority_n of_o the_o grant_a of_o the_o pardon_n to_o wit_n s._n paul_n who_o affirm_v to_o do_v it_o in_o the_o person_n of_o christ_n second_o state_n of_o grace_n in_o the_o receiver_n of_o the_o indulgence_n as_o appear_v by_o his_o contrition_n and_o sorrow_n for_o his_o sin_n commit_v three_o the_o temporal_a punishment_n remit_v to_o wit_n his_o excommunication_n last_o a_o just_a &_o sufficient_a cause_n for_o give_v this_o indulgence_n or_o pardon_n which_o be_v lest_o the_o offendor_n shall_v fall_n into_o despair_n or_o be_v overplunge_v in_o sorrow_n after_o the_o apostle_n time_n we_o find_v that_o the_o bishop_n of_o the_o primative_a church_n give_v pardon_n and_o indulgence_n to_o many_o and_o this_o be_v do_v by_o the_o mediation_n of_o confessor_n or_o design_v martyr_n as_o be_v witness_v by_o martyr_n tertullian_n &_o lapsis_fw-la cyprian_n we_o also_o find_v that_o pardon_n and_o indulgence_n be_v give_v by_o sundry_a â—â—opes_n in_o other_o age_n as_o by_o surium_n leo_n the_o three_o by_o 3._o gregory_n the_o great_a by_o 1._o vrban_a the_o second_o by_o chronic._n innocentius_n the_o three_o by_o paschalis_n the_o first_o and_o by_o other_o all_o which_o dispense_v and_o distribute_v out_o of_o the_o common_a treasure_n of_o the_o church_n beside_o the_o former_a authoritye_n the_o doctrine_n and_o use_n of_o indulgencs_n be_v warrant_v by_o counsel_n both_o general_n and_o provincial_n to_o wit_n the_o first_o council_n of_o 11._o nice_a the_o council_n of_o 9_o ancyran_n the_o council_n of_o leodice_n 2._o the_o council_n of_o claramontane_n the_o council_n of_o lateran_n of_o vienna_n of_o constance_n and_o of_o trente_n as_o appear_v in_o the_o counsel_n themselves_o now_o if_o the_o former_a ancient_a pope_n and_o father_n as_o also_o these_o allege_a counsel_n shall_v err_v in_o the_o doctrine_n of_o indulgence_n than_o two_o main_n absurditye_n shall_v follow_v first_o that_o the_o primative_a church_n shall_v most_o foul_o err_v in_o a_o dogmatic_a point_n of_o faith_n contrary_a to_o the_o judgement_n of_o the_o more_o sober_a &_o leared_a protestant_n among_o who_o i_o will_v for_o brevity_n hear_v set_v down_o the_o judgement_n only_o of_o kempnitius_n touch_v the_o primative_a church_n who_o thus_o say_v 74._o i_o dowbt_v not_o but_o the_o primative_a church_n receive_v from_o the_o apostle_n and_o apostolical_a man_n not_o only_o the_o text_n of_o scripture_n but_o also_o the_o native_a sense_n thereof_o but_o this_o the_o primative_a church_n can_v not_o receive_v if_o it_o whole_o err_v in_o so_o main_n a_o matter_n of_o christian_a doctrine_n as_o the_o doctrine_n of_o indulgence_n be_v the_o second_o absurdity_n be_v that_o in_o regard_n of_o the_o say_a father_n and_o general_n counsel_n defend_v the_o doctrine_n of_o indulgence_n the_o whole_a church_n of_o christ_n suppose_v the_o doctrine_n to_o be_v faâ—se_n shall_v err_v in_o matter_n of_o faith_n contrary_a to_o the_o promise_n of_o christ_n who_o have_v promise_v ever_o to_o be_v with_o his_o church_n till_o the_o end_n of_o the_o world_n which_o say_v church_n of_o he_o be_v style_v by_o the_o apostle_n for_o it_o great_a certainty_n of_o faith_n 3._o columna_fw-la &_o firmamentum_fw-la veritatis_fw-la and_o therefore_o incompatible_a with_o error_n and_o thus_o much_o concern_v the_o doctrine_n of_o indulgence_n end_v this_o discourse_n with_o the_o confession_n of_o kempnitius_n touch_v the_o antiquity_n thereof_o who_o plain_o acknowledge_v and_o say_v 329._o that_o the_o begin_n of_o indulgence_n be_v not_o clear_o enough_o set_v down_o in_o history_n the_o catholic_a doctrine_n touch_v communion_n under_o one_o kind_a defend_v the_o true_a state_n of_o this_o question_n be_v not_o whether_o christ_n do_v institute_v the_o eucharist_n under_o both_o kind_n or_o whether_o himself_o and_o the_o apostle_n do_v at_o the_o first_o institution_n receive_v it_o under_o both_o kind_n or_o whether_o the_o apostle_n and_o the_o father_n afterward_o at_o sundry_a time_n do_v minister_v it_o to_o the_o laity_n under_o both_o kind_n for_o all_o this_o
hear_v of_o our_o saviour_n death_n and_o passion_n the_o cross_n be_v but_o to_o the_o eye_n as_o the_o word_n be_v to_o the_o ear_n in_o this_o next_o place_n we_o will_v brief_o touch_v pray_v upon_o bead_n benediction_n or_o blessing_n of_o water_n sali_n ache_n candle_n etc._n etc._n against_o which_o many_o protestant_n do_v mighty_o inveigh_v as_o charge_v the_o catholic_n theâ—rein_o with_o superstition_n affirm_v further_o that_o the_o catholic_n do_v place_n a_o kind_n of_o divinity_n in_o these_o matter_n into_o such_o strayt_n we_o see_v the_o protestant_n be_v drive_v that_o whereas_o they_o be_v not_o able_a by_o any_o forcible_a argument_n to_o overthrow_v the_o catholic_a faith_n in_o the_o great_a &_o chief_a article_n they_o therefore_o bend_v all_o their_o stenght_n to_o impugn_v these_o small_a rite_n and_o ceremony_n and_o first_o touch_v pray_v upon_o bead_n all_o man_n know_v it_o be_v but_o the_o repetition_n of_o the_o same_o prayer_n several_a time_n the_o bead_n serve_v only_o but_o to_o number_n or_o count_v the_o time_n this_o custom_n be_v warrant_v by_o the_o exâ—mple_n of_o our_o saviour_n himself_o who_o be_v in_o the_o garden_n do_v repeat_v one_o and_o the_o same_o prayer_n to_o wit_n 26._o meâ—hree_a â—hree_z several_a time_n now_o if_o it_o be_v lawful_a to_o iterate_v one_o and_o the_o same_o prayer_n thrice_o it_o be_v lawful_a by_o the_o same_o reason_n to_o iterate_v it_o many_o score_n of_o time_n together_o again_o if_o it_o be_v lawful_a to_o repeat_v the_o lord_n prayer_n seven_o time_n in_o a_o week_n for_o i_o presume_v every_o protestant_n will_v confess_v he_o say_v it_o once_o a_o day_n why_o then_o may_v he_o not_o repeat_v the_o say_a lord_n prayer_n or_o any_o other_o good_a and_o spiritual_a prayer_n seven_o time_n a_o day_n and_o if_o seven_o time_n why_o not_o then_o any_o great_a number_n of_o time_n again_o once_o grant_v the_o prayer_n to_o be_v good_a the_o goodness_n of_o the_o prayer_n by_o force_n of_o all_o reason_n do_v warrant_v the_o often_o repetition_n of_o it_o the_o precise_a number_n or_o time_n of_o repeat_v one_o &_o the_o same_o prayer_n among_o catholic_n have_v a_o mystical_a reference_n either_o to_o the_o number_n of_o david_n psalm_n or_o to_o the_o number_n of_o the_o year_n that_o our_o bless_a lady_n live_v hear_v upon_o earth_n or_o to_o the_o number_n of_o our_o saviour_n wound_n or_o to_o the_o number_n of_o the_o person_n in_o the_o most_o bless_a trinity_n or_o to_o some_o other_o such_o mystery_n the_o antiquity_n of_o pray_v upon_o bead_n be_v confested_a by_o the_o 1329._o centurist_n and_o by_o 454._o osiander_n to_o have_v be_v twellue_n hundred_o year_n since_o in_o like_o sort_n the_o antiquity_n be_v record_v by_o 29._o zozomene_n who_o say_v that_o paul_n the_o monk_n be_v accustom_v to_o pray_v by_o count_v the_o number_n of_o little_a stone_n in_o time_n of_o repeat_v his_o prayer_n which_o be_v all_o one_o as_o to_o pray_v upon_o bead_n the_o word_n of_o zozomene_n be_v these_o indiâ—s_n singulos_fw-la trecentas_fw-la orationes_fw-la deo_fw-la velut_fw-la tributum_fw-la quoddam_fw-la reddidit_fw-la ac_fw-la neper_n imprudentiam_fw-la in_o numero_fw-la errant_a trâ—centis_fw-la lappillis_fw-la in_o sinum_fw-la contectis_fw-la ad_fw-la singulas_fw-la preces_fw-la singulos_fw-la inde_fw-la eâ—ecit_fw-la lapillos_fw-la consumptis_fw-la igitur_fw-la lapillis_fw-la constabit_fw-la sibi_fw-la orationes_fw-la lapillis_fw-la numero_fw-la pares_fw-la abs_fw-la se_fw-la explectos_fw-la esse_fw-la and_o thus_o much_o touch_v pray_v upon_o bead_n we_o will_v next_o dessende_v to_o the_o consecrate_v or_o bless_v of_o creature_n use_v in_o the_o catholic_a church_n the_o lawfulness_n whereof_o be_v warrant_v by_o the_o example_n of_o christ_n himself_o 9_o who_o intend_v to_o multiply_v the_o bread_n do_v look_v up_o towards_o heaven_n and_o bless_v the_o bread_n and_o from_o that_o blessing_n of_o his_o do_v multiply_v they_o but_o certain_a it_o be_v that_o what_o our_o saviour_n do_v be_v free_a from_o all_o reprehension_n again_o do_v not_o the_o apostle_n say_v that_o 4_o every_o creature_n be_v sanctify_v by_o the_o word_n and_o prayer_n the_o antiquity_n of_o hollow_v or_o bless_v creature_n and_o particular_o of_o holy_a water_n be_v very_o great_a for_o 35_o clemens_n baptismo_fw-la dionysius_n both_o who_o live_v in_o the_o apostle_n time_n 3._o cirill_n 12._o cyprian_n 5._o ambrose_n sauctis_fw-la austin_n and_o other_o co_z make_v frequent_a mention_n of_o holy_a water_n and_o the_o religious_a use_n thereof_o and_o hence_o it_o be_v that_o the_o 148._o centurist_n do_v charge_v the_o father_n live_v in_o the_o three_o age_n after_o christ_n with_o superstition_n in_o blessing_n and_o hollow_v of_o water_n among_o which_o father_n s._n 12._o cyprian_n thus_o say_v oportet_fw-la mandari_fw-la &_o sanctificari_fw-la prius_fw-la aquat_fw-la a_o sacerdote_fw-la benediction_n of_o oil_n be_v mention_v and_o approve_v by_o clemens_n and_o dionysius_n in_o the_o place_n above_o note_v by_o 27._o basill_n austin_n joannem_fw-la cyprian_n who_o thus_o express_o 12._o say_v olium_fw-la in_o altari_fw-la sanctificatur_fw-la by_o the_o council_n of_o 48._o leodice_n by_o the_o second_o council_n of_o 3._o carthage_n by_o the_o three_o council_n of_o 36._o carthage_n by_o the_o first_o council_n of_o 20._o toleâ—â—_n final_o to_o omit_v the_o testimony_n hereof_o of_o other_o counsel_n and_o galliae_fw-la ancient_a father_n the_o antiquity_n of_o hollow_v of_o oil_n and_o that_o particular_o by_o a_o bishop_n be_v acknowledge_v by_o the_o 865._o centurist_n and_o by_o 58._o cempin_n 〈…〉_z s._n benediction_n of_o bread_n and_o this_o beside_o the_o â—se_n thereof_o in_o the_o consecration_n of_o the_o sacrament_n be_v prove_v from_o the_o authority_n of_o s._n 26._o austin_n s._n augustini_fw-la paulinus_n and_o s._n med_n jerome_n the_o word_n of_o which_o last_o father_n be_v these_o coneurrebant_fw-la episcopi_fw-la presbiteri_fw-la etc._n etc._n vulgus_fw-la ignobile_fw-la potentes_fw-la viri_fw-la &_o judices_fw-la ut_fw-la benedictum_fw-la ab_fw-la eo_fw-la panem_fw-la vel_fw-la â—leum_fw-la acciperent_fw-la this_o point_n of_o the_o benediction_n of_o bread_n be_v so_o evident_a to_o have_v be_v practise_v in_o those_o ancient_a time_n that_o d._n 377._o fulke_n thus_o speak_v thereof_o it_o be_v a_o superstitious_a bread_n give_v in_o s._n augustine_n time_n to_o those_o that_o be_v catechumeni_fw-la in_o steed_n of_o the_o sacrament_n and_o philip_n mornay_n in_o like_a sort_n thus_o charge_v the_o liturgy_n of_o s._n basill_n it_o 51._o allow_v holy_a bread_n to_o be_v distribute_v after_o service_n to_o such_o as_o have_v not_o communicate_v benediction_n of_o candle_n be_v acknowledge_v by_o the_o four_o council_n 〈◊〉_d of_o t_o 〈…〉_z ledo_n by_o pope_n pontifical_a zozimus_n s_o 28._o gregory_n paschal_n prudentius_n and_o 30._o strabo_n and_o according_a hearto_fw-la the_o centurist_n 744._o do_v confess_v the_o antiquity_n of_o this_o ceremony_n to_o be_v great_a and_o withal_o do_v further_o confess_v that_o candle_n do_v burn_v in_o the_o church_n in_o the_o day_n time_n in_o constantyns_n day_n thus_o write_v hereof_o 497._o accensiones_fw-la candelâ—rum_fw-la interdiù_fw-fr in_fw-la templis_fw-la constantinus_n instituit_fw-la the_o proufe_v of_o which_o custom_n be_v further_a evident_a out_o of_o the_o four_o council_n of_o 6._o carthage_n 8._o eusebius_n and_o 3._o jerome_n the_o benediction_n of_o palm_n and_o ash_n be_v prove_v from_o the_o authority_n of_o s._n palmarum_fw-la maximus_n now_o to_o reject_v the_o authoritye_n of_o all_o the_o former_a father_n touch_v the_o benediction_n of_o creature_n be_v to_o charge_v the_o primative_a church_n with_o superstition_n and_o error_n which_o no_o man_n either_o of_o humility_n charity_n or_o learning_n will_v do_v ad_fw-la herto_o that_o the_o protestant_n themselves_o do_v practise_v this_o consecration_n of_o creature_n for_o they_o do_v consecrate_v their_o new_a build_a college_n and_o ch_z 〈…〉_z ches_fw-es or_o chapel_n be_v yea_o which_o be_v most_o ridiculou_a it_o have_v be_v observe_v of_o late_a that_o in_o some_o place_n of_o england_n if_o a_o catholic_a have_v be_v bury_v in_o a_o church_n notwithstanding_o the_o church_n be_v first_o build_v by_o gotholicks_n the_o church_n as_o suppose_v to_o be_v profane_v by_o the_o dead_a body_n of_o the_o catholic_a have_v be_v by_o it_o person_n and_o minister_n of_o new_a consectate_v and_o hollow_v spectatam_fw-la admissi_fw-la â—isumteneatis_fw-la now_o in_o this_o next_o place_n we_o will_v show_v the_o end_n why_o creature_n be_v bless_v by_o the_o prayer_n of_o the_o church_n which_o end_n be_v threefould_a first_o to_o signify_v spiritual_a effect_n thus_o the_o sprinkle_n of_o ash_n signify_v penance_n palm_n signify_v victory_n the_o paschal_n candle_n betoken_v the_o glory_n of_o these_o resurrection_n and_o thus_o they_o be_v use_v to_o stirrup_n our_o devotion_n the_o second_o end_n be_v to_o take_v away_o venial_a sin_n of_o which_o point_n s._n 3._o
bible_n upon_o that_o chapter_n chapter_n in_o hunc_fw-la locum_fw-la locum_fw-la â—ranct_n 1._o in_o epist_n joannis_n joannis_n see_v the_o marginal_a note_n of_o the_o english_a bible_n of_o anno_fw-la 1576._o in_o isaiah_n 2._o 2._o tract_n 2._o in_o epist_n in_o joan._n joan._n against_o the_o rhemish_a test_n in_o eph._n 4._o 4._o contra_fw-la duraeum_n l._n 3._o p._n 249._o 249._o in_o synop_n papisin_n p._n 71._o 71._o contra_fw-la duraeum_n l._n 3._o p._n 260._o 260._o against_o heskin_n sanders_n &c_n &c_n p._n 569._o 569._o fulke_n ubisupra_fw-la p._n 536._o in_o his_o answer_n to_o a_o contersayte_n catholic_a p._n 11._o 11._o proposition_n and_o principle_n dispute_v in_o the_o univerâ—ily_n of_o geneva_n p._n 845._o 845._o c._n 72._o 72._o jacob_n in_o his_o reason_n tâ—ken_v out_o of_o god_n word_n p._n 2d_o 2d_o in_o his_o synop_n p._n 54._o 54._o jerem._n 33._o 33._o isaiah_n 66._o 66._o daniel_n 2._o 2._o isaiah_n â—0_n â—0_n reg._n 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d daniel_n 9_o 9_o 2._o thâ—ss_n 2._o 2._o 12._o 12._o hebrâ—_n 4â—_n 8._o 8._o in_o corpore_fw-la doctrinae_fw-la p._n 530._o 530._o in_o his_o sovereign_a remedy_n p._n 17._o 17._o in_o 24._o mâ—chaeâ—_n mâ—chaeâ—_n vbi_fw-la chrysost_n chrysost_n epist_n 88_o ad_fw-la esichium_n esichium_n l._n 20._o de_fw-la civitat_fw-la deuâ—_n 19_o 19_o bullenlenger_n in_o his_o preface_n to_o his_o sermon_n upon_o the_o apocalyps_n as_o also_o the_o protestant_a scâ—lio_n in_o his_o book_n of_o the_o second_o come_v of_o christ_n fol._n 21._o 21._o c._n 4._o 4._o against_o the_o rhemish_a testament_n in_o 2._o thessaly_n 2._o 2._o vbi_fw-la supra_fw-la supra_fw-la upon_o the_o apocal._n sol_fw-mi 200._o d_o in_o â—aâ—_n analyt_v p._n 368._o 368._o homil._n 30._o â—in_a mathâ—eum_n mathâ—eum_n l._n de_fw-fr unitate_fw-la eccle._n eccle._n homil._n 4._o in_o cap._n 6._o joan._n joan._n contra_fw-la faustum_n manich._n lib._n 1._o 1._o contra_fw-la lit_fw-fr precil_n 〈◊〉_d 2._o c._n 32._o 32._o tract_n 1._o in_o epist_n joannis_n joannis_n tract_n 2._o in_o epist_n joannis_n joannis_n peter_n martyr_n in_o com._n place_n in_o english_a part_n 2._o pag._n 594._o say_v the_o jew_n though_o they_o be_v keep_v in_o so_o great_a adversity_n etc._n etc._n yet_o they_o hold_v still_o their_o religion_n religion_n see_v hereof_o caelius_n secundus_fw-la curio_n l._n the_o amplit_n regne_n dei_fw-la l._n 1._o p._n 65._o and_o the_o century_n writer_n in_o the_o 4._o chapter_n of_o every_o century_n century_n lib._n â—de_fw-la simplicit_fw-la praelat_fw-la praelat_fw-la epist_n 1._o ad_fw-la damasum_fw-la de_fw-la nomine_fw-la hypostasis_fw-la hypostasis_fw-la l._n 4._o the_o baptism_n c._n 2._o 2._o institâ—_n 4._o 1._o sect_n 4._o 4._o in_o council_n theol._n part_n 2._o 2._o in_o loc_n come_v edit_fw-la 1561._o c._n de_fw-fr ecclesia_fw-la ecclesia_fw-la melan._n ubi_fw-la supra_fw-la supra_fw-la in_o his_o treatise_n of_o freewill_n p._n p._n in_o his_o book_n against_o hosius_n p._n 210._o 210._o in_o his_o book_n of_o the_o visible_a church_n church_n in_o his_o book_n of_o ecclesiast_n policy_n p._n 126._o 126._o in_o his_o epist_n annex_v to_o his_o common_a place_n print_v in_o english_a p._n 153._o 153._o l._n 1._o of_o the_o church_n c._n 10._o p._n 19_o 19_o ubi_fw-la supra_fw-la p._n 21._o jesuitis_fw-la in_o part_n 2._o c._n 3._o 3._o in_o his_o answer_n to_o a_o popish_a pamphlet_n p._n 11._o 11._o d._n fulkde_v successione_n eccles_n p._n 89._o 89._o in_o epist_n euchar_n euchar_n loc_n do_fw-mi de_fw-fr judaeis_n col_fw-fr 390._o 390._o in_o his_o survey_n c._n 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d lib._n 4._o c._n 14._o 14._o orat._n de_fw-fr s._n basil_n basil_n vir_fw-la 〈…〉_z 〈…〉_z sol_fw-mi 156._o 156._o sol_fw-mi 132._o 132._o fol._n 132._o 132._o fol._n 128._o 128._o 116._o 116._o fol._n 117._o 117._o so_o 1â—9_n 1â—9_n ibidem_fw-la ibidem_fw-la foe_fw-mi 132._o 132._o fol._n 115._o 115._o fol._n 117._o 117._o fol._n 4._o 4._o fol._n 138_o &_o 139._o 139._o fol._n 14â—_n 14â—_n fol._n 142._o 142._o fol._n 14â—_n 14â—_n luther_n epist_n ad_fw-la argentinenses_n argentinenses_n touch_v the_o sentence_n allege_v in_o this_o passage_n out_o of_o luther_n write_n the_o reader_n be_v to_o observe_v percisly_a the_o edition_n of_o his_o book_n here_o quor_v see_v in_o some_o late_a edition_n diverse_a of_o his_o say_a testimony_n be_v for_o very_a shame_n whole_o omit_v &_o leave_v out_o out_o luther_n in_o purgat_fw-la quorundam_fw-la aâ—ticul_n &_o in_o episi_fw-la ad_fw-la georgium_n spalatinun_v spalatinun_v art_n 30._o 30._o conclus_fw-la 15._o &_o in_o disput_n lipsica_fw-la cum_fw-la echio_n echio_n in_o 1._o part_n operum_fw-la formula_fw-la cantè_fw-fr loquendan_n cap._n de_fw-fr sanct._n cultuâ—_fw-la cultuâ—_fw-la in_o resp_n ad_fw-la art_n colloq_fw-la montisâ—_n part_n alt_z in_o prefat_n prefat_n luther_n in_o epist_n ad_fw-la ad_fw-la bohemos_n bohemos_n in_o his_o refutation_n caeremoniarum_fw-la missae_fw-la print_v magdâ—â—_n 1603._o p._n 118._o 118._o loc._n 7._o come_v pag._n â—â—6_n â—â—6_n in_o loc_n â—om_n class_n 1._o c._n 37._o p._n 107._o 107._o 〈◊〉_d cor._n â—_o â—_o sorelate_v zwinglius_fw-la of_o luther_n tom_n 2._o in_o respon_n ad_fw-la confut_o lutheri_fw-la fâ—_n 474._o 474._o luth._o in_o encherid_fw-la praecum_fw-la anni_fw-la 1543._o 1543._o luth._o in_o postill_a maiori_fw-la basili_n 〈…〉_z apud_fw-la heruagium_fw-la in_o enarrat_fw-la euang_n dominicae_fw-la trinit_fw-la trinit_fw-la contra_fw-la jacobum_fw-la latomum_fw-la tom_n 2._o wittenberg_n latin_a edit_n anno_o 1551._o 1551._o zwinglius_fw-la tom_n 2._o in_o respon_n ad_fw-la confess_v lutheri_fw-la lutheri_fw-la in_o assert_v damnat_fw-la per_fw-la leonem_fw-la art_n 36._o 36._o luth._o deseruo_fw-la arbitrio_fw-la c._n 32._o 32._o luther_n in_o confess_v maiore_fw-la in_o caena_n domini_fw-la domini_fw-la vide_fw-la council_n part_n 2._o 2._o in_o epist_n theology_n epist_n 60._o 60._o luth._o tom_n 2._o l._n de_fw-fr ministris_fw-la eccles_n institue_n 〈…〉_z lis_fw-fr fol._n 368._o 369._o â—id_fw-la l._n the_o abrog_n missa_fw-la privata_fw-la tom_n 2._o fol._n 249._o &_o lib._n de_fw-fr captivit_fw-la babylon_n c._n de_fw-fr ordine_fw-la ordine_fw-la these_o be_v d._n covelis_n word_n in_o his_o defence_n of_o m._n hooker_n art_n 15._o p._n 101._o 101._o in_o hist_o sacrament_n part_n altera_fw-la fol._n 14._o 14._o luth._o de_fw-la seculari_fw-la potest_fw-la in_o tom_n 6._o german_a german_a luth._o in_o tom_n 7._o wit._n tenberg_fw-mi fol._n 327._o 327._o luther_n praesai_fw-fr in_o epist_n jacobi_fw-la edit_fw-la 4._o jenensi_fw-la z_o upon_o the_o apocalypse_n english_v c._n 1._o serm_n 1._o foe_n 2._o 2._o tom._n 3._o wittenberg_n in_o psal_n 45._o fol._n 423._o 423._o in_o epist_n ad_fw-la galaâ—_n 1._o tom_n 5._o wittenb_n of_o anno_fw-la 1554._o fol._n 290._o 290._o luth._o in_o tom_n 2._o wittenberg_n in_o assert_v damnat_fw-la per_fw-la leonâ—_n decimum_fw-la assert_v 34._o 34._o in_o ep_n ad_fw-la fratres_fw-la inferioriâ—_n germaniae_fw-la germaniae_fw-la luther_n upon_o the_o galat._n english_v in_o c._n 2._o and_o see_v luther_n in_o his_o sermon_n english_v fol._n 204._o 204._o luther_n tom_n 1._o prop._n 3._o 3._o in_o his_o sermon_n english_v p._n 147._o 147._o luth._o ibid._n pag._n 276._o 276._o in_o his_o apol._n cathol_n p._n 42._o 42._o lib._n de_fw-fr eccles_n contraâ—_n bellarm._n controver_n 2._o quaest_n 5._o 5._o in_o his_o apolog._n of_o the_o church_n part_n 4._o c_o 4._o 4._o in_o ep_n ann_n 36._o ad_fw-la episc_n hereford_n hereford_n in_o theolog_n caluinist_n l._n 2._o fol._n 130._o 130._o tract_n de_fw-fr eccles_n pag._n 145._o 145._o act._n mon._n pag._n 190._o 190._o in_o his_o treatise_n of_o antichrist_n p._n 40._o 40._o act._n mon._n p._n 260._o 260._o fox_n in_o apocalyps_n c._n 11._o pag._n 290._o 290._o in_o colloquijs_fw-la germ._n c._n de_fw-la antichristo_fw-la antichristo_fw-la act._n mon._n 230._o art_n 1._o &_o 2._o x_o in_o epitome_n cent._n 15._o p._n 469._o 469._o act._n mon._n print_v 1596._o pag._n 391._o 391._o in_o his_o book_n of_o the_o state_n of_o the_o church_n pag._n 418._o 418._o fox_n ubi_fw-la suprà _fw-la suprà _fw-la in_o his_o annal_n of_o england_n print_v 1591._o p._n 425._o 425._o wicklef_fw-fr in_fw-la postilla_fw-la super_fw-la 15._o cap._n marci_n mention_v all_o the_o seven_o sacrament_n and_o in_o postilla_fw-la super_fw-la 1._o cor._n cap._n 1._o he_o write_v as_o be_v here_o set_v down_o down_o wicklef_fw-fr serm_n de_fw-fr assumpt_n mariae_fw-la mariae_fw-la wicklef_fw-fr de_fw-fr eucharist_n c._n 9_o 9_o in_o his_o annal_n print_v 1592._o p._n 426._o 426._o as_o witness_v oâ—iand_n cent._n 15._o p._n 457._o 457._o cent._n 6._o 10._o 11_o etc._n etc._n p_o 459._o aâ—t_n 43._o 43._o in_o ep_n ad_fw-la fredericum_n miconium_n miconium_n act_n mon._n p_o 96._o art_n 4._o 4._o epitome_n hâ—st_n cent._n 9_o 10._o 11._o aâ—t_n 4._o 4._o tom._n 3._o c._n 7_o 8._o 9_o n_o osiander_n in_o epitome_n hist_o cent._n 9_o 10._o â—1_n 12._o o_o mâ—lancthon_n ubi_fw-la supra_fw-la supra_fw-la as_o witness_v sâ—ow_o ubi_fw-la supra_fw-la supra_fw-la in_o chronol_n p._n 119._o 119._o melancthon_n ubi_fw-la supra_fw-la supra_fw-la act._n mon._n p._n 95._o 95._o joan._n â—_o â—_o act._n
except_o the_o name_n catholic_n which_o be_v even_o in_o the_o primative_a church_n the_o surname_n of_o all_o christian_n according_a to_o that_o simphronianum_fw-la christianus_n mihi_fw-la nomen_fw-la est_fw-la catholicus_n vero_fw-la cagnomen_fw-la illud_fw-la i_o nuncupat_fw-la istud_fw-la i_o ostendit_fw-la though_o the_o contrary_n we_o can_v show_v of_o you_o who_o have_v the_o name_n give_v to_o you_o of_o lutheran_n caluenit_n besit_n etc._n etc._n therefore_o it_o clear_o follow_v that_o the_o professor_n of_o the_o present_a roman_a church_n have_v never_o change_v their_o faith_n first_o plant_v by_o the_o apostle_n d._n whitaker_n now_o my_o l._n cardinal_n you_o be_v foil_v with_o your_o own_o argument_n for_o have_v you_o not_o the_o name_n of_o papist_n peculiar_o appropriate_v to_o yourselves_o to_o distinguish_v you_o from_o the_o true_a professor_n of_o the_o gospel_n in_o like_a sort_n be_v not_o some_o of_o your_o religious_a man_n call_v bernardin_n other_o franciscan_n benedictins_n augustins_n etc._n etc._n so_o take_v their_o appellation_n from_o particular_a man_n and_o thus_o your_o own_o argument_n rebut_v upon_o yourself_o with_o great_a disadvantage_n therefore_o my_o lord_n be_v not_o so_o confident_a aforehand_o in_o the_o force_n of_o your_o allege_v reason_n but_o remember_v that_o 5._o thraâ—y's_fw-mi prò'erysóù_fw-fr '_o aec_fw-la pollóù_fw-fr cacòs_fw-la who_o be_v ever_o bold_a before_o the_o work_n be_v attempt_v be_v common_o indiscreet_a card_n bellarm._n m._n doctor_n you_o so_o serious_o here_o trifle_n as_o that_o i_o even_o blush_v in_o your_o behalf_n to_o observe_v how_o you_o wrong_v yourfollower_n and_o proselit_v with_o such_o weak_a transparency_n of_o reason_n for_o you_o be_v here_o to_o understand_v that_o the_o surname_n of_o peculiar_a heretic_n as_o the_o arian_n eutichian_o manichee_n and_o of_o all_o other_o be_v impose_v upon_o the_o professor_n of_o these_o heresy_n even_o at_o the_o first_o 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