Selected quad for the lemma: church_n

Word A	Word B	Word C	Word D	Occurrence	Frequency Band	MI	MI Band	Prominent
church_n	according_a	council_n	pope_n	2,676	5	6.3346	4	false

Text snippets containing the quad

ID	Title	Author	Corrected Date of Publication (TCP Date of Publication)	STC	Words	Pages
A47166	Quakerism no popery, or, A particular answere to that part of Iohn Menzeis, professor of divinity in Aberdeen, (as he is called) his book, intituled Roma mendax Wherein the people called Quakers are concerned, whom he doth accuse as holding many popish doctrins, and as if Quakerism, (so he nick-names our religion,) were but popery-disguised. In which treatise his alleadged grounds for this his assertion, are impartialy and fairly examined and confuted: and also his accusation of popery against us, justly retorted upon himself, and his bretheren. By George Keith.	Keith, George, 1639?-1716.	1675 (1675)	Wing K194; ESTC R213551	62,351	126

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agree_v in_o affirm_v that_o preacher_n be_v not_o to_o wait_v to_o speak_v as_o the_o spirit_n give_v they_o utterance_n but_o aught_o to_o study_v it_o in_o their_o closet_n before_o hand_n and_o then_o when_o the_o bell_n ring_v repeat_v over_o before_o the_o people_n as_o the_o schoolboy_n do_v their_o lesson_n and_o the_o commedian_n their_o part_n upon_o the_o stage_n but_o all_o this_o be_v deny_v by_o the_o quaker_n eight_o the_o papist_n and_o i._o m._n and_o his_o brethren_n agree_v that_o minister_n ought_v to_o have_v a_o set-limited-hire_n and_o ought_v not_o to_o supply_v their_o want_n with_o their_o hand_n as_o do_v the_o honest_a apostle_n paul_n but_o sit_v at_o ease_n and_o feed_v of_o the_o fat_a and_o clothe_v themselves_o with_o the_o fine_a of_o the_o wool_n and_o take_v from_o such_o by_o violence_n and_o poind_a as_o can_v for_o conscience_n sake_n hear_v they_o and_o so_o receive_v none_o of_o their_o spiritual_n but_o all_o this_o the_o quaker_n deny_v as_o antichristian_a nynthly_a the_o papist_n and_o i._o m._n and_o his_o present_a prelatic_a brother_n not_o his_o old_a presbyterian_a and_o independent_a friend_n agree_v in_o affirm_v that_o all_o minister_n be_v not_o alike_o but_o that_o there_o ought_v to_o be_v diocesian_a bishop_n over_o the_o rest_n who_o man_n must_v call_v my_o lord_n which_o be_v deny_v and_o condemn_v by_o the_o quaker_n as_o antichristian_a ten_o the_o papist_n and_o i._o m._n and_o his_o brethren_n agree_v in_o affirm_v that_o man_n may_v yea_o and_o aught_o to_o pray_v preach_v and_o do_v all_o other_o act_n of_o worship_n when_o they_o please_v whether_o they_o be_v move_v and_o influence_v by_o god_n spirit_n or_o not_o which_o the_o quaker_n deny_v as_o will_v worship_v and_o superstition_n eleven_o the_o papist_n and_o i._o m._n with_o his_o brother_n agree_v in_o