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ID	Title	Author	Corrected Date of Publication (TCP Date of Publication)	STC	Words	Pages
A31391	A Caution to all true English Protestants concerning the late popish plot by way of a conference between an old Queen-Elizabeth-Protestant, and his countrey-neighbour.		1681 (1681)	Wing C1558; ESTC R36286	12,077	14

you like them P. Worse and worse for therein he hath acted most exactly according to the measures the Papists have taken in their carrying on the Plot. C. In what particulars good Sir P. You must remember that Mr. Dugdale gave in on Oath that 't was the Papists design to kill the King and to cast it on the Presbyterians and Mr. Dangerfield assures us That to the end the people might be prepared to believe that the Presbyterian Principles were adjusted for such bloody designs their counsel was that Pamphlets be written to represent them as a proud and wicked selfish and bloody people All which is done by this man John Humphryes as he at last calls himself who represents the Presbyterians to be men for the Corinthian-Law that will first hang a man and then Judg him and this he saith he hath experienced as if they had first hang'd him and then judged him and he as able to tell the world as much after his being hang'd by 'em as Sir Edmondbury Godfrey was able to walk from Somerset-house to Primrose-hill after his being strangled The second Popish Miracle C. How Sir doth he say so P. Mistake me not but he speaks to this purpose viz. that he hath experienced that the Presbyterians are for the Corinthian-Law i. e. first to hang men and then judg them and who can imagine but that this is his meaning But whether it be so or no he doth act agreeably unto the Popish measures and doth their work for them more effectually than Madam Celliers who is professedly a Papist C. Do you think he is a Papist P. Sir I know not what to think of him but sure I am he acts as like the Papists as if he had been spit out of their mouths and if he be not a Papist he is a Child not to say a C. Good Sir don't scandalize the man for he is a man of worth among that Gang and a man of learning and moderation Author of the middle way Is he not P. Neighbour you are a young man be not too credulous you cannot but be sensible that you have been in some things mistaken and remember that you your self just now said that you did suspect him and would be ware of such an one and I wish all good people would and whereas you say he is both a learned and a moderate man the Author of the middle way 't is all a great mistake C. Say you so Sir But how doth that appear P. I 'le shew you particularly and must assure you that 't is not the Author of the middle way but a man of another temper The Author of the middle way though a Nonconformist is a man of great learning and judgment and moderation whose soul abhors to write so inhumanely or so unlike a Christian as this man hath done for this man fills his Papers with such unclean stuff that I am asham'd to rehearse it for it discovers so much ignorance passion and peevishness that he must be considered either as a man crack'd in his intellectuals or as a man of evil principles but consider him either way his Reputation cannot be such as to engage any sober man to regard his scurrilous and lying Pamphlets C. But there are many who follow him yea some sober persons P. If so I am heartily sorry 'T is a great reproach to Dissenters for which reason those ignorant persons for none but such can be deluded by such a man are to be lamented and blamed for what is there in the man if his Conversation and Preaching be suitable to his Writings that should tempt any to admire him Is it his boldness or his ignorance or his errour or his bespattering and aspersing all Protestants Will they believe his Preaching why then will they not believe his Writing and conclude all Protestants to be as vile as he makes ' em Or will they believe his Writings and that all Protestants for no Conformist nor Nonconformist can escape the lash of his tongue are such as he saith they are then hitherto they have been deceived and to whom can they turn for safety but to the Papists And if you will believe what he saith when he rails against Dissenters even so you must when he rails against the Church of England C. Truly Sir there is as much reason in what you say and therefore I shall have a greater care of such than formerly for according to the representation you have given of the Presbyterians they cannot be as bad as he makes them and if they are not he doth very ill to revile 'em thus P. Remember he reviles all Protestants our Church as well as Dissenters and therefore I caution you not only against that man but every such man and still be engaged to adhere unto the Protestant Religion which is the true agreeable to the sacred Scripture confirmed of old by many a Miracle and all the Prophets and Apostles and of late also by the blood of many Martyrs C. I thank you for your advice and wish that the more ignorant among the Dissenters would follow the same for I have been inform'd by a Neighbour who knows many of 'em that they are mighty ready to entertain any reports though ungrounded and prejudicial to the Protestant interest P. My good friend I do wish so too and moreover do heartily desire that there were not as many in our Church that are too peevish and foolish yea too apt to believe any thing that is buz'd up and down by the Papists C. 'T is sad if it be true as you say P. I speak no more than I know for whenever the Papists would revile the Episcopal it may be sometime under the notion of a Dissenter Oh how ready are Dissenters to take it up and say Report and we will report and our people are even with them and it rejoyceth too too many of 'em to hear any thing evil how falsly soever against the Dissenters C. Then we do the Papists work for them P. We do so And truly unless they will on both sides be advised and think better one of another and consider more deliberately what is their joynt-interest we are a ruin'd People C. But Sir what is our Joynt-interest P. I 'le be particular in shewing you 1. To be fully perswaded that the Papists are carrying on a bloody Plot against the Protestant Religion his Majesty's Life and Government For nothing more sure than that the eradicating the Protestant Religion and the destruction of the Protestants is the Papists aim Whence although their designs are so inhumane and cruel that they dare not before an Execution own it yet nothing more evident than that they breathe after the blood of the King and of all Protestants whether Episcopal or Presbyterian and no question their aim is mostly at such as are in places of profit and consequently more against the Conformist than the Nonconformist 2. The uniting at least so far as to use all just means

mouth if it at Tyburn or some such place for the promoting the Popish design or Treason his being hang'd is enough to procure the pardon of that Lye But Capt. Bedlow expected no pardon from any of their Priests neither was at his dying hour in a capacity of receiving it from Esq Ketch C. How do the Papists hold such dangerous Errors then surely no wonder that some of these Jesuits were so confident in their lying at Tyburn it being said by the Learned that one of them dyed with another lye in his mouth P. That 's true Gawen did so as hath been shewen by those that writ Answers to their dying Speeches and as all the Learned know and it hath been since proved by Mr. Jenison that another of them dyed with a lye in his mouth and therefore their confident pleading their Innocency when most guilty should never tempt you to doubt concerning the being of a Popish Plot. C. I cannot but acknowledg that there hath been and it may be still is a Popish Plot but is there not a Presbyterian one too P. Alas poor man what should tempt you to fear that there is a Presbyterian Plot. C. Tempt us to fear a Presbyterian Plot do you say Good Sir don't you hear some of our Clergy that are good Protestants to make the Presbyterians as bad as the Papists yea worse for some of them say they would rather turn Papist than Presbyterian and if the Presbyterians are as bad as Papists why may not they then have their Plots as well as the Papists P. Neighbour I must confess that there are too many of our Clergy who do very frequently talk as you say but you must remember that there are a greater number of the more sober and judicious of our Clergy that are of another mind and who are griev'd at the very heart to find so many young brisk blades in their Pulpits and out of them to be so subservient unto the Papists in their Plots which must either be an effect of their folly or of their treachery unto the Church of England C. What Sir do you say it must be the effect either of their folly or treachery unto the Church of England How do you make that out Good Sir P. This is easily done for unless they are prodigiously ignorant they cannot but know that the bravest Protestant Subjects in the Land are branded by the name of Presbyterians as appears by Mr. Dangerfield's Narrative yea such persons as are the honour of our Church and the Glory of the Kingdom are under the Presbyterian name rendred Plotters such as my Lord President and many others Which being so what Son of the Church without folly or treachery can say that the Presbyterians are as bad as the Papists What! is the Glory of the Church of England when under a Presbyters name as bad as Popery and would they indeed be rather Papists than such Presbyterians what do they then say but that they themselves are really Papists C. They do not mean those worthy persons you mention but such as are for Petitions to wit the Dissenters from the Church of England P. Neigbour see how you are abus'd For 1. the Papists whose design these men serve mean all undaunted Protestants when they say Presbyterians 2. You your self suggest the same for by Presbyterians you mean such as were for Petitioning viz. Dissenters But who more for Petitioning than such as are for the Church of England Who were those that Presented the Petitions were they not Sons of the Church Again How many Grand Juries Petitioned but are all those Dissenters Really if all such as were for Petitioning be Dissenters from the Church the Church of England is become inconsiderable which is according unto Popish suggestions which are that either we must be Papists or Presbyterians as if there were no Protestants in England but the Presbyterians and as if the Church of England had dwindled into nothing or turn'd Papists or Presbyterians and that the Parliament being hearty enemies against Popery are Presbyterians Thus you see how those young hot-heads among our Clergy do either discover great Folly or Treachery or both C. I must acknowledge that part of our Clergy who do talk thus do discover themselves guilty of great folly or of a wretched Treachery But I hope 't is not so with all our Clergy P. No surely 't is not the temper of all the thorough Protestants among the Clergy which are many they abhor these things though for their doing so are hated by these high-flown men as much as if they were Dissenters C. Truly Sir I think you are in the right but I would fain know what those Presbyterians are that the name is become so odious P. If you expect that I should acquaint you with what the Presbyterians are I must first distinguish between a few hot brains that are among them and the more sober and greater part C. Why Sir are there hot heads among them also How comes this to pass P. There are some Fools and Knaves crept in amongst all Protestant Parties whether Episcopal or Presbyterian and a thousand to one but the high-flown and factions on all sides are the extremely ignorant or such as are but Protestants in Masquerade i. e. Protestants in name but Papists in heart The over-zealous in all parties who are of the more ignorant sort being the Fools made use of by these disguised Papists that turn themselves into all shapes as their interest directs C. Do you really believe that this is so Good Sir P. I do indeed for Divide Impera hath been ever the Roman Maxim that is to use all means for the dividing Protestants and in order hereunto the man of sin of late call'd The Gentleman of Rome sends forth his Instruments among all sorts of Protestants with a dispensation for the dissembling their own and for the professing any other Religion and accordingly 't is not to be questioned but that there are some among our Clergy others among the Dissenters at least among the Presbyterians in Scotland where through their influence some of a softer temper have been ensnared to an insurrection These Emissaries being the brands of Hell that have turn'd the whole Europaean World into a fire they being the men to whom we owe all our divisions Civil Wars c. yea these Jesuits are the men that occasion'd the last Wars and the Death of the late King and all the Disturbances that have been ever since C. Really Sir you have acquainted me with what I knew not till now Pray good Sir shew me how I shall come to know these for let them be of our Church or among the number of Dissenters did I know 'em I would hate 'em as I hate the Devil P. Neighbour 't is hard to give Infallible tokens of these Villains since 't is so easie for the Devil to transform himself into an Angel of light however that you may not be grosly deceived I 'le tell