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A13877 An ansvvere to a supplicatorie epistle, of G.T. for the pretended Catholiques written to the right Honorable Lords of her Maiesties priuy Councell. By VVater [sic] Trauers, minister of the worde of God. Travers, Walter, 1547 or 8-1635. 1583 (1583) STC 24180.7; ESTC S118501 163,528 396

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in daunger to bee turned into coldnesse of zeale Psal 6 and feare to professe the truth which God had made knowne vnto him Luther was to him as the Aungel was to the Prophet Esay Es 6. which by the burning coales of the Lordes Altar kindled and inflamed his zeale For by his noble spirit of magnanimitie he strengthned and fortifyed the other against the feare of flesh and bloud Such was the comfort and benefit which they receyued of their mutuall giftes to the great edification of the Church And this is the golden payre of two of the worthiest Ministers of the Gospel that Germany hath brought forth in any age Out of whose large volumes the pretended differences obiected vnto vs are taken and gathered The third is Iohn Caluin one of the soundest Diuines and of deepest iudgement in matters of religion both of doctrine and of discipline that God gaue to his Church this thousand yeares whose good name is in déed as the wise man saith a most sweete and excellent oyntment Eccle. 7.3 For howsoeuer Bolsec and the slaunderous defender of the late Censure haue rayled in the spirit of Semei against him and sought to their power to spoyle and marre this pretious oyntment yet all that are of the Church in these partes of Europe smell the sauour of it as the Apostles did the narde of Marie Iohn 2.3 which she powred vpon the heade of our Sauiour Christ and as they that were in the Temple did the sweete and fragrant odor of the holy oyntment when it was powred out vpon Aarons heade Ex. 30.23.24 25.30 Psal 133.2 and trickled downe to the hemme of his garment This worthie man of God like a goodly Starre rising first in Fraunce and after ascending to Geneua where also it went downe so shined in his time in the middes of the Church as if all the Firmament thereof had beene but one Starre and as if in all the Cope of Heauen there had shined none other And these three worthies of all the Lordes hoste at once this weake Authour hath specially chosen to encounter and to deface with contrarietie to themselues and one with another putting his trust as it seemeth in this that his surmysed contrarieties should neuer come to be examined The poyntes wherein hee chargeth them with contrarietie are of the Sacramentes and first in generall of the number of them whereof hee affirmeth that Luther acknowledged but one Caluin two Melancton three or foure For Caluin I confesse hee saith there are but two and in deede there are neyther more nor lesse For a Sacrament being a seale of our Communion with Christ Rom. 4.11 it can not bee shewed that our Sauiour Christ appoynted any more or lesse Seales of the righteousnesse that is by faith and our coniunction with him then onely two namely Baptisme and the Supper of the Lorde Which without any manner of question or difference is manifestly declared to bee the generall iudgement of the Churches professing the Gospell by the booke of the harmony of the confessions of their faith Which hauing beene long agoe exhibited to the seuerall Princes of the Countries states and kingdomes where these Churches are are nowe of late very profitably published to the iust conuiction of all such as slaunder the reformed Churches to be variably distracted rent in sonder with infinit differences of faith For it appeareth by that most profitable labor that the Lorde hath knit and vnited them together with a holy vnitie both sweete as the oyntment of Aaron and also profitable and rich as the due of Sion Psal 133. and of Hermon By which pleasant hermony of the confessions both of this Church and many others it appeareth that the generall iudgement and faith of our Churches acknowledgeth onely two Sacraments Wherein the Churches of God agreeing so well together the diuers opinion of a particular man or two if it were so culd not preiudice their holy vnitie in the faith But how vntrue it is that is here obiected to Luther Melancton will plainly be discouered For Luther that hee euer helde or taught that there should bee but one Sacrament as the Authour chargeth I say is an vniust slaunderous accusatiō In the places hee alleadgeth for his proofe in the beginning of his booke of the Babilonicall captiuitie after the denying of the seauen Sacraments and graunting of three which he there expresly nameth Baptisme the Lords Supper and Penance His wordes are these Although saith hee if I would speake after the vse of the scripture I should haue but one Sacrament and three Sacramentall signes whereof more largely in his time By which wordes it is euident that Luther ment nothing lesse then to teach but one Sacrament in that sense wee here speake of a Sacrament which conteyneth in it both the signe of the Sacrament or holy thing signifyed by it and also the Sacrament or holy thing it selfe for such hee playnely confesseth three Baptisme the Lords Supper and Penance But by one Sacracrament vnderstandeth the matter and substance of the sacramentall signs which is in deede but one namely our Lorde and Sauiour Iesus Christ Which manifestly discouereth the simplicitie of this Authour if not hauing redde nor eonsidered the place himselfe he vouched it vpon confidence of the collection of some other or his verie euill conscience if knowing this to bee Luthers meaning hee haue so wrongfully and vniustly slaundered him Thus for one Sacrament hee hath his answere Nowe to that hee obiecteth of three or foure For foure hee cyteth Melanctons common places where Melancton hauing named three Baptisme the Lords Supper and Penance hee addeth after these wordes It liketh mee most that ordinacion also bee added whereunto he annexeth this reason that it is commaunded of God and that great promise is made to the ministry and preaching of the word For answere whereunto it is to be noted that first in the place alledged hee nameth onely three then after adioyneth this that he could like also the ordinance of the ministeries for the commaundement of God to ordayne Ministers and the promise of God to assist and blesse the Ministery of such as are lawfully called were also named a Sacrament Which importeth as if hee had said that in some sense ordination also may be called a Sacrament Further the confession of Ausb and the Apologie of it as he truly alledgeth both endyted by Melancton maketh mention onely of three Whereby it appeareth that Melancton taught not simply foure but onely three and that the name of a Sacrament in some sense might bee attributed to the fourth and for teaching sake as he speaketh in his Apologie in the title of the number vse of Sacraments Where handling this matter expresly hee vseth these words wee doe not thinke it any great matter although some for teaching doe otherwise number so that they duely keepe the things which are deliuered in the Scriptures neyther did the auncient Fathers number
Church his vnity is nothing but a conspiracie and their hye consistory as the cōsistory of the hie priests cōfederat together against Christ and against his Apostles or as the agreemēt betwene Core Dathan Abiram with their rebellious companies against Moses and Aaron Further I say their Church is so farre off from that vnitie and agreement which he boasteth off that contrarywise it hath beene and is full of contentions and controuersies Which if we consider in the publike state of their Church is most manifest in the infinit varietie difference of Saintes meanes of saluation chosen to worship and to trust vnto by sundry Nations Townes companies and persons as it liked them best Likewise by the diuers Missales Breuiaries and Ceremonies vsed amongst them Further also by their sundry sectes of Monkes Nunnes which they haue so multiplied of late whereas not many hundred yeares agoe they had onely the order of Bennet But especially in the Popes counsels vniuersities and brotherhoodes of Monkes and Freers it appeareth that the Lorde burst their Church as a vessell of claye and an earthen pot stricken with a barre of yron into so many peeces and fitters that there scarse remayneth whole any one potsheard so big as might serue to fetch fire withall The agreement of the Popes was such about Formosus that for some yeares euery Pope disanulled his predecessors actes they condemned one another yea they followed their cause with such bitter mallice Platina their owne writer reporting it that Formosus was takē vp after his death and burned and his ashes cast into the riuer The scisme of two or three Popes at once which continued so many yeares and occupyed all Christian Princes to the perpetuall infamie of their malitious discordes doth witnesse to all posteritie how farre their Church is from this vnitie they would boast off Further their booke of decrees though Gratiā would force them to agree declareth what contrarie and repugnant sentences haue beene pronounced by them in sundry causes and poynts of great importance And this hath beene the vnitie of the Popes amongst themselues with others they haue agreed thus They haue moued and mainteyned wars both with Kinges and Kesars and those both Greeke French and Germans Many counsels haue beene excomunicated by them and they againe by the counsels Most famous and noble Churches haue likewise had experience what bitter spirit of contention and discorde hath possessed them They haue alienated and cleane cut off the renoumed Churches of Asia whereof a great manie were planted with the Apostles owne handes In like manner haue they contended and striuen with the Churches of Africa And in Europe the seate of their impietie neyther the Churches of Germanye Fraunce England Denmarke nor sondrie other but haue beene deuided and rent a sunder with their quarrels and in a manner brought to waste by meanes of the controuersies they haue had with them and others raysed and nourished by them But especially their owne Italy as other monumentes and the pertialities and factions of the Guelphes and Gibellines and their present estate doth witnesse Moreouer Clement the fift maintayned a great contention with the famous vniuersitie of Paris about his indulgences And other of them had a great quarrell with the begging Fryers concerning the order of Monkery And this hath beene the vnitie which the Popes haue had amongst themselues and with others Their Councels also as being the vnquiet bodie of so restlesse and contentious a head haue beene at variance one with annother as those of Basile and Constance and sondrie others Their Monkes and Fryers haue had greate warres both amongst themselues and with others both with the Popes themselues with the vniuersities and with their cheefe Prelates as that which they had with Gad with Clement the fift with the vniuersitie of Paris and the Archb. of Arnach with whome they agreed litle better then the Popes Nuntie at Paris this last yeare agreed with the Dominicans to the most shamefull reproch of their whole Church The Canonistes and the Scholemen byte one another according to the Apostle till they be consumed one of another The Scholemen they are also diuided amongst themselues into Reales and Nominals and acording to their captaines vnder whose auncient bāner they fight some are Thomists some Scotists some hold of Occam This is not according to him that said Ioh. 14.27 My peace I leaue with you my peace I giue vnto you Is Christ diuided According to these publike examples 1. Cor. 1.13 their priuat Doctors writers haue behaued thēselues euē of late yeares in writing one against another as Catharinus an Archb. and one of the Popes Minions Dominicus de Soto confessor to Charles the fift Caietanus Tapperus Pighius with sundrie other and the Fathers of the Councell of Trent all which so agreed that according as it is saide of Ismaell their handes were euery one against all others and all others against them Their agreement was like that which was amongst the Babilonians after the Lorde had striken them with the confusion of their tongues that one vnderstoode not another and like the discorde of the Madianites who thrust euery man his sworde into the side of his owne Countryman Which their contentions and debates were of no small matters but of originall sinne of iustification by faith of the certayntie of hope of the vertue of the death of Christ of the vertue of Baptisme of the supremacie of the higher authoritie of the Pope or of the Counsels of the Church or of the Scripture of the residence of Bishoppes and such like I might here also shewe howe their doctrine disagreeth with it selfe one poynt ouerthrowing another but this may suffice to rebuke the vanitie of the boast of their agreement and to laye out some part of the euidences which I am to shew against them to proue that their Church is not that friend that Doue that Spouse of Christ which is but one whereof they so often vaunt but a contentious and quarrellous company at continuall warres with others and amonst themselues as the posteritie of Ismael and as the host and tents of Madian Nowe let vs see with what dissention hee can charge our Church in Englād Wherin if he would haue proceeded soundly to the iust charging of vs he ought if he had bene able to haue brought out the publike confession and articles of faith agreed vnto in King Edwardes time and haue shewed any in England that professing the Gospell dissenteth from them Or if he would haue vs to answere for all that professe our faith in all the world yet ought he to haue sought out the ancient recordes and authentike confessions of faith which the professors in the seuerall Countries where they are haue exhibited by common consent and agreement vnto their Princes But being not able so to doe as shall appeare after in the particulers that hee alleadgeth he seeketh some fewe places out of the infinite