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A01948 The state-mysteries of the Iesuites, by way of questions and answers. Faithfully extracted out of their owne writings by themselues published. And a catalogue prefixed of the authors names which are cited in this booke. Written for a premonition in these times both to the publike and particular. Translated out of French; Mysteres des peres jesuites. English Rivet, André, 1572-1651.; Gosselin, Peter. 1623 (1623) STC 12092; ESTC S120862 30,376 63

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