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A62870 Præcursor, or, A forerunner to a large review of the dispute concerning infant-baptism wherein many things both doctrinall and personal are cleared, about which Mr. Richard Baxter, in a book mock-titled Plain Scripture-proof of infants church-membership and baptism hath darkned the truth / by John Tomes. Tombes, John, 1603?-1676. 1652 (1652) Wing T1812; ESTC R27540 101,567 110

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those at this day it 's likely are not guilty of much scandal in practise when Cloppenburg Gangr Anabapt disput 148. Ampliug dial thesi 2. Mr. Paget defence of Church-govern part 1. ch 4. who lived neare them make it their fault that they are strict in excommunicating for small matters and Cloppenburg in the Epistle Dedicatory to his Gangrene saith The troopes of Anabaptists that dwelt in Friesland after the commotions at Munster although they trouble not the Common-wealth having cast off corporal weapons yet they suffer not the more pure reformed Churches to be edified without daily conflicts From whence I gather that their conversation there is as other mens saving for their rigid discipline and different opinions in the most whereof whether truly or falsly charged on them by Cloppenburgius they are not owned by those in England whose Confession is extant To Mr. Bs. charging of me of untruths and covetousnesse and malice and contempt of my brethren page 202 203. there is an answer made before and after where speeches and practises to prove these are objected He chargeth me with pride in my usual way of putting off the authority of their arguments and judgements with a contemptuous smile or wonder at the sillinesse of them But therein there is no despising of their persons but onely of their arguments which if I know to be weak I dare not make shew as if I counted them strong that were to put darknesse for light and if I do shew dislike with a smile or wonder though others rather say I do reject them with anger mistaking my earnestnesse in speaking for that passion this is usually lesse offensive then alteration of wordes And if I use wondering at their sillinesse I am sure Mr. B. is not behind me in this book whose frequent exclamations of sillinesse c. are to be seene where he had little or no cause but the defect of his own apprehension as shall appear in the examining his book and therefore if for this I be judged proud Mr. B. should do well to search himself who differs from the most learned and godly in the world in more things then I do and I imagine with more peremptorinesse and lesse evidence then I bring from my adversaries own confessions Perfidiousnesse he chargeth me not with it is a great question in this age whether it be a sin Answ. I think it is no question whether breaking of Covenants and oathes be a sin but whether the not setling uniformity according to the advice of the Assembly at Westminster the not conjoining with the Scots the engagement to the present government c. be perfidiousnesse or no Wherein if Mr. B. hold the affirmative it 's very probable there will be found some to encounter with him when his arguments are seen in writing What he tells me that my not reproving the prophaning the Lords day and excusing my self from resolving the question concerning its morality hath no good savour is a charge which I imagine comes from some tale brought Mr. B. whereby he is abused I have spoken against prophaning the Lords day as I have judged meet in the places I have preached my judgement about its morality is succinctly set down Examen part 2. sect 8. At Bewdley I did often in my prefaces before I began morning-exercises at the chappel on the Lords day presse them to the observation of it and in my Cursory Exposition of the three first chapters of the Revelation on publique fast-dayes and of Genesis on the Lords day delivered my self more fully in opening Gen. 2. 3. Revel 1. 10. And when the question was propounded in the weekly meeting we had to edifie one another Whether the observation of every first day of the week as a Sabbath be of Divine institution I resolved it at the next meeting affirmatively And after I had in one or two Lectures for so I may call my dictates at Bewdley in resolving their hard questions cleared the termes 1. Concerning the measure of the first day of the week examining whether precisely 24. houres and when to begin and when to end are necessary for the account of the time resolving it to be measured for observation as we do other dayes for working allowing time for necessities 2. Concerning the observation of a Sabbath what is requisite thereto wherein I resolved that it is to be observed by rest and holinesse about both which I resolved many cases At the next time I drew the substance of my proof into this one syllogisme If solemne worship of God in full congregations be required of God and fixed dayes be necessary thereto and observed by all or most Nations even Heathens nor belongs it to any but God to appoint it to his service and God appointed a seventh day Sabbath from the beginning and commanded it in the fourth Commandement a mong the morals and the Apostles distinguished from other dayes the Lords day by title precept and example as appropriate to God and Christians with common consent so took it and used it after their dayes the Jewish Sabbaths being abrogated then the observation of every first day of the week as a Sabbath is of Divine institution But solemn worship of God c. Ergo. The sequel of the Major I stood not long in proving supposing some morality of a Sabbath being infolded in the first institution and the fourth Commandement and the Apostles fixing that on the Lords day is a sufficient declaration of Gods mind to have it observed But the Minor I proved by parts And after I had proved the two first Propositions by reason first of the failing of the meeting through some sad accidents and then the removing of my dwelling books and my seldome being with them I did not prosecute it till one moved that I would resolve them about that question whether it were to tempt me or otherwise they know who had a hand in it I told them what I had done already and that of what I had begun I had not any breviate about me but I conceived that in my study I had and therefore I desired their respite till my next comming to them that I might by reviewing what I had done and adding some further reading fit my self to resolve them in which they seemed to rest but it 's likely some or othertold Mr. B. of this who I perceive wanted not tale-bearers and he in imagine sticks not to interpret this my respite which he calls an excuse from resolving the question concerning the morality of the Lords day though I had long before resolved it but had not fully confirmed my argument as having some ill savour of licentiousnesse though about a moneth after I repaired to them and so fully confirmed the other seven Propositions that the company who were as many of the best-affected and intelligent there as the roome could hold declared themselves satisfied thereabout Mr. B. also page 258. saies of my exceptions against one story in