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A04541 An inquirie and ansvver of Thomas VVhite his discoverie of Brovvnisme. By Francis Iohnson Pastor of the exiled English Church at Amsterdam in Holland Johnson, Francis, 1562-1618.; White, Thomas, fl. 1605. Discoverie of Brownisme: or a brief declaration of some of the errors and abhominations daily practiced and increased among the English company of the seperation remayning for the present at Amsterdam in Holland. 1606 (1606) STC 14662; ESTC S119435 86,205 110

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and_o well_o it_o fit_v the_o priest_n of_o england_n that_o as_o they_o partake_v with_o the_o papist_n in_o so_o many_o other_o thing_n they_o shall_v also_o follow_v their_o step_n in_o blaspheme_v the_o truth_n and_o witness_n thereof_o that_o which_o he_o annex_v call_v his_o book_n also_o a_o declaration_n of_o some_o of_o the_o erro_n and_o abomination_n among_o we_o as_o it_o enlarge_v the_o title_n of_o his_o book_n so_o it_o increase_v the_o wickedness_n of_o his_o sin_n for_o may_v not_o the_o reader_n hereby_o gather_v that_o he_o will_v persuade_v either_o that_o we_o hold_v and_o have_v many_o other_o error_n &_o abomination_n beside_o they_o that_o here_o he_o impute_v unto_o we_o or_o that_o all_o our_o cause_n and_o
account_v true_a visible_a church_n of_o christ._n and_o hitherto_o of_o his_o false_a &_o blasphemous_a doctrine_n object_v against_o we_o in_o his_o letter_n which_o in_o his_o libel_n he_o say_v i_o promise_v to_o answer_n &_o perform_v it_o not_o yet_o in_o the_o letter_n itself_o he_o write_v that_o hear_n i_o say_v i_o have_v speak_v unto_o he_o both_o private_o &_o public_o &_o now_o will_v not_o further_o have_v to_o do_v with_o he_o and_o concern_v his_o letter_n my_o answer_n be_v to_o this_o effect_n as_o i_o remember_v send_v he_o by_o i.l._n one_o of_o his_o own_o company_n beside_o my_o speech_n unto_o himself_o that_o the_o content_n of_o his_o letter_n be_v partly_o private_a partly_o public_a that_o for_o the_o private_a i_o require_v proof_n and_o for_o the_o public_a i_o will_v not_o deal_v privae_o wish_v also_o the_o say_a i.l._n to_o deal_v with_o he_o for_o some_o report_n ascribe_v to_o he_o in_o the_o letter_n concern_v i_o which_o he_o deny_v and_o to_o end_v it_o between_o themselves_o who_o be_v of_o one_o company_n together_o and_o as_o i_o shall_v hear_v thereof_o so_o i_o shall_v consider_v what_o to_o do_v for_o the_o rest_n this_o let_v he_o ask_v of_o i.l._n his_o own_o companion_n and_o let_v himself_o now_o look_v unto_o it_o who_o it_o be_v that_o falsify_v for_o not_o answer_v his_o letter_n by_o writing_n i_o have_v good_a reason_n as_o may_v appear_v by_o that_o which_o before_o be_v allege_v and_o wisdom_n teach_v there_o be_v person_n who_o be_v not_o to_o be_v answer_v according_a to_o their_o foolishness_n and_o time_n also_o when_o to_o speak_v and_o when_o to_o be_v silent_a pro._n 26.4_o eccles._n 3.7_o with_o 2_o king_n 18.36_o the_o dumb_a minister_n speak_v of_o 4._o in_o the_o place_n here_o cite_v by_o he_o he_o have_v now_o consort_v himself_o withal_o be_v return_v to_o his_o old_a vomit_n and_o become_v as_o dumb_a as_o any_o of_o they_o for_o defend_v the_o truth_n against_o the_o adversary_n thereof_o yet_o 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priesthood_n worship_n confusion_n etc._n etc._n as_o it_o be_v not_o lawful_a by_o the_o word_n of_o god_n for_o any_o to_o join_v or_o continue_v with_o they_o in_o such_o estate_n and_o moreover_o that_o it_o be_v the_o duty_n of_o all_o christian_n to_o receive_v and_o keep_v the_o faith_n and_o ordinance_n of_o christ_n wherein_o the_o primitive_a church_n be_v plant_v by_o the_o apostle_n to_o discuss_v and_o make_v these_o thing_n more_o plain_a i_o reduce_v our_o whole_a cause_n to_o seven_o question_n and_o so_o propound_v they_o viz_n 1._o whether_o the_o lord_n jesus_n christ_n have_v by_o his_o last_o testament_n give_v unto_o and_o set_v in_o his_o church_n sufficient_a ordinary_a office_n with_o their_o calling_n work_n &_o maintenance_n for_o the_o administration_n of_o his_o holy_a thing_n and_o for_o the_o sufficient_a ordinary_a instruction_n guidance_n and_o service_n of_o his_o church_n to_o the_o end_n of_o the_o world_n or_o no_o 2._o whether_o the_o office_n of_o 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