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A26960	More reasons for the Christian religion and no reason against it, or, A second appendix to the Reasons of the Christian religion being I. an answer to a letter from an unknown person charging the Holy Scriptures with contradictions, II. some animadversions on a tractate De Veritate, written by ... Edward Herbert, Baron of Cherbury ... / by Richard Baxter.	Baxter, Richard, 1615-1691.; Baxter, Richard, 1615-1691. Reasons of the Christian religion.	1672 (1672)	Wing B1313; ESTC R4139	63,611	190

Eighthly And we do confess our selves that the Apostles had not the infallible Spirit given them for every use or thing that they had to do but for those matters about which they had special need of it and use for it to fulfill their office The Spirit was not so necessary for them to discern those things by which the common sense and understanding of a man was sufficient to discern They could tast sweet from bitter feel heat from cold discern light from darkness without an Infallible extraordinary Spirit And so being eye and ear witnesses of what Christ did and said of his words his miracles his resurrection his ascension they might infallibly know them by ordinary means And so a good Christian may doubt whether they had the Spirit infallibly to transcribe and cite every passage in the old Testament visible to all or to relate the things which they saw done with their eyes or to report the history of several actions which were then done as what was the place and power of Herod Archelaus Pilate Falix Festut c. and such other parts of common History Ninethly And we all confess that the words are but as the Body of the Scripture and the sense as the Soul And that the words are for the sense And there is more of the Spirits assistance in the sense and soul of the Scripture than in the words and body And that there is in the phrase and method somewhat of blameless humane imperfection And that as David was not stronger then Goliah nor his weapons more excellent in themselves but God would overcome strength by the means of the more weak so an Aristotle may be more accurate in method and a Demosthenes Varro or Ci●cro in words and phrase than an Apostle And they may be left to the imperfections of their several gifts diversified by nature or education in their stile And God may hide that from the wise and prudent which he revealeth to babes And by the foollishness of Preaching may save believers and confound the wisdom of the world and by things that are not bring to nought things that are that no flesh may glory in his sight Nor do we say that no man may seek or attain more Logick Philosophy or Grammar than he findeth in the Scriptures Tenthly As Protestants receive not so many Books as Canonical as the Papists do so some Protestants have not received so many as the rest And so many possibly erre in thinking that some part of the Scripture is not the word of God and consequently may think it of more uncertain credit Eleventhly Some have thought that Matthew being at first written in Hebrew or Syriack and after translated into Greek that the Translator being unknown the credit of the Translation must be the less certain because they know not whether the translator was one that had a promise of Infallibility though doubtless they erre who so conclude Twelfthly Some think that as certainly there are a great number of various Readings which all prove that some of the Copies erre so it is uncertain to us whether all those which we have may not in some words or particles differ from others which we have not and from the autographs seeing each scribe had not a promise of Infallibility Thirteenthly If some particular Books of Scripture were not extant or never known to some men yet the rest may teach those same men all the Christian Religion to their Salvation Therefore if they may be Christians and saved without knowing of that particular Book they may possibly be so without knowing that it is Canonical or of Divine and certain truth Fourteenthly Yea more no doubt but it is possible to be saved and to be good Christians without being certain what is contained in any one Book of the Bible totally for he that cannot Read may possibly not hear the whole Book from another at least so as to understand and remember it And yet he may hear the same Doctrines out of another Book Yea more it is past doubt that a man may in some cases or circumstances be a true Christian who knoweth not that there is any Scripture which is Gods Infallible word For first so all the believers of the old world were saved before Moses wrote the Law And the Christian Churches were gathered and thousands converted to Christ many years before a word of the New Testament was written Secondly And all the thousands and millions of Christians who cannot read do know that there is such a Book which hath such words in it but on the credit of other men Thirdly And we know not but the Papists who are too great undervaluers of the Scriptures and lock it up from the Laity and over magnifie Tradition may keep thousands among them without the knowledge that there is a Book which is Gods word And yet may teach them the Christian Religion by other means after to be mentioned And it seemeth by the Epist. Jesuit Masaeus Histor Judic and other writings that in Japan Congo China and other Countries of the East they did teach them onely by Creeds Catechismes and preachings And I remember no knowledge that they gave to most of them of the Scriptures And yet the most cruel torments and martyrdoms never before heard of which the Christians in Japan endured of which see Varentus history doth put all sober readers past doubt that there were many excellent Christians And if other means may make men Christians who are never told of the holy Scriptures than those same means with the Scriptures may make them Christians who are made believe that all Scripture passages are not the infallible dictates of Gods Spirit I have given you instances enough to prove that many may be Christians and have a certain faith who are not certain of all things in the Scriptures And therefore though all these persons are herein defective or erroneous yet that Christianity may be otherwise known and proved Yea though the case of the Scriptures were as these mistaking persons think And I told you how many waies besides Scripture the summe and necessary substance of the Christianity is delivered down from the Apostles to the world Reas of Christ Rel. pag. 336 337. First in the very successive Being of Christians and Churches who are the Professors of this Doctrine Secondly In a succession of Pastors whose office was to preach it Thirdly In a succession of Baptism which is that solemnizing the Christian Covenant in which the sum of the Gospel is contained Fourthly In the three breviates or symboles of the Christian Religion the Creed Lords Prayer and Decalogue which all the Christian Churches still used Yea every one that was baptized at age and the Parent for the Infant did openly make profession of the Christian faith and of Religion in all the essential particulars Fifthly In the Churches use of Catechising those who were to be baptized that they might first know that Religion which they were to

knew whether all were true or not But also they did all in the power of the same Spirit which Christ did work by doing such Miracles as Christ had done And this not a few nor in a Corner but in many Countries of the world and that by many thousand Christians in one kind or other tongues healing prophecie or the like as well as the Apostles The certainty of which fact is attested by the very existence of all the Churches converted by it with all their Baptismes Professions and the rest of the Tradition before named No Christian of all this multitude by any terrours death time was brought to the last to repent and say that he had deceived the world by a lie Many Apostates falling off for fear of sufferings but none with any such recantation No adversary confuting the History but commonly confessing most of it with more such evidence which I have open'd in the Treat and must not oft repeat lest I be tedious And that which is still the Natural Evidence is that There is still existent First On the sacred Gospel Secondly On the souls and lives of all serious Christians by its impress the unimitable Image of the Divine Power Wisdome and goodness Life Light and Love as the Divine attestation Only as this noble Author requireth to all true Conceptions and Intellections so do we to this that there be but the necessary conditions in the mind of the receiver And whereas he saith that commonly Miracles are reported a hundred years after Here it was otherwise The Jews were enraged by them for fear of the Romans The Apostles and others wrought them openly Matthew and John that wrote Christs History lived with him and saw what they wrote so did Peter and James Paul wrote what he saw and heard from heaven Luke wrote the Acts of Paul which he saw being his Companion in travels The thousands were converted and Churches in many Countries planted not by bare words but by the Conviction of the Miracles of the Apostles themselves so that every Church and Christian was a History of them And all this they were moved to with the hopes of heaven where truth is known to deny the world and mortifie the flesh and suffer whatever the Gospel would inflict to preserve their hopes and comforts founded in this word of faith XI Quest Whether the common custome of sacrificing throughout the world in all generations were not their actual Confession that the sinner deserved death and that Gods justice required punishment of satisfaction and proceeded not from Divine Revelation in the beginning when God had new made the Covenant of Grace and so was delivered down by Tradition For my part it cannot come into my understanding why else men should think that God is pleased or appeased by the Creatures death or how this should become so common throughout the world And the two exceptions confirm this to be truth First Some Savages in America use no sacrifices But they are such as know not God or so Savage as to have lost all antient Tradition Secondly All the Mahometans and Christians use no bloody sacrifice But that is because First Christians believe that Sacrifices were but types of Christ and that he put an end to them by his perfect Sacrifice 2dly And Mahometans received it from Christ being but Christians degenerate first into Arrians and then into Mahometans and still professing to take Christ for the word and son of God and his word as true onely hating the Christians for saying that he is very God But of this instead of writing after so many I only refer you to their writings And specially to Dr. Owens Latine Tractate on this subject XII Whether Interest make the Judgment of Divines in the Cause of faith more suspicious or contemptible than other mens I put this Question with respect to those words in the Preface Sed neque auspicaciores ubique posterioris istius seculi Scriptores dicendi sunt Fit ita ut pro Regionum fidei diversitate in id potissimum incumbant ne illos domi male multet inopia adeoque non tam quid in se verum quam quid sibi ipsis utile exquirant Non est igitur a larvato aliquo vel stipendioso Scriptore ut verum Consummatum opperiaris Illorum apprime interest ne personam deponant vel aliter quidem sentiant Ingenuus sui arbitrii ista solummodo praestabit Author Answ First It is not to be denyed that there are multitudes of such Carnal Pastors in the Churches that are Christians for the case honour and wealth Secondly But that this should be so with all I shall disprove and prove that none on earth are so credible in this case as Divines First Because they have made it the business of their lives to search out the truth and therefore some of them must be supposed to have the greatest advantages to know it So that for Ability they have no sort of men that are Competitors For diligence and helps are the improvers of understanding And all men are found best at their own profession Lawyers in the Law Physicians in Medicine Philosophers in Philosophy c. And for your self your next words are Nobis tamen ad alia omnia fere quam literarum studia uti oportuit exequenda otium fuit Partim armis in diversis regionibus partim quinquennali Legatione partim negotiis tum publicis tum privatis vacavimus And is not this your disadvantage Who is a good Linguist Lawyer Physician c. that hath had but little leisure for his studies Secondly And as for Will and Interest it is notorious that thousands of the Ministry have so little set by worldly Interest as that it is upon the terms of greatest self-denyal to the flesh that they take up and exercise their office being moved onely by the great Interest of their own and others souls Their voluntary diligent labours their holy lives their contempt of the world may convince any of this that are not blinded by prejudice or malice There are few Learned men in the Reformed Churches but might far better use their studies and labours if they took that for best which is most profitable advancing or pleasing to the flesh Thirdly You had a Brother of your own so holy a man as his sincerity was past exception and so zealous in his Sacred Ministry as shewed he did not dissemble And I suppose had it been necessary you would have so maintained him that he should not have fled from truth for fear of poverty Fourthly What can you think of all those that gave up their lives for the Christian saith and hopes Did they go upon such carnal grounds as you mention Fifthly The revolutions of States and the diversity of Sentiments and especially the Interests of the Carnal part do bring it to pass by Gods over-ruling of all that usually the most serious Christians and Pastors are the sufferers of the age they live in

enter Sixthly In that constant Communion of all the Churches in their solemn Assemblies and setting apart the Lords day to that use where in their worshiping of God they expressed and excercised their Religion Seventhly In the constant preaching of the Gospel by the Pastors Eightly In the constant Celebration of the Sacrament of Christs Body and Blood wherein the summe of the Gospel was recited and expressed And the custome was also to repeat the profession of their Belief Ninethly The frequent disputations of the Christian Pastors for their Religion against all Heathens Infidels and Heroticks Tenthly The writings of the said Pastors Apologies Doctrinal Historical Commentaries Devotional Eleventhly The Confession and Sufferings of the Martyrs Twelfthly The Decrees Canons and Epistles of Councils or Assemblies of the Christian Pastors Thirteenthly And after these the Decrees and Laws of Christian Princes in all which we have no need of any peculiar Tradition of the Church of Rome Fourteenthly Yea we may adde the Confessions of Adversaries who tell us part of the Christians Religion as Pliny Celsus Julian c. All these waies set together told men what Christianity was Fifteenthly But the fullest and surest discovery of it was by the holy Scripture of it self which was constantly read in the Assemblies of the Christians In all this I have but told you by how many waies and means materially the Gospel Doctrine was made known Now the great Question is Whether by all these means we might come to a certainty of the truth of the Christian Faith in case we could not prove every word or particle of Scripture to be Gods word and so to be true They that deny it say That he that can mistake or be deceived in one thing may be so in another and we cannot take his word as certain who sometimes speaketh falsly for we can never be sure that he speaketh the truth But I affirm the thing questioned and shall shew the mistake of this reason of the Adversaries First It must be remembred that we ascribe Infallibility Primitive and Absolute to God and no other Therefore we are certain that so much is true as is Gods word Secondly We are Certain that all that is the word of God which he hath set his seal or attestation to which I have largely opened in the Book which you oppose All that which hath the Antecedent and Constitutive and Concomitant and subsequent Attestation of God there opened we are certain is of God Thirdly We are Certain that the Person of Christ and his own Doctrine had all this fourfold Divine Testimony And therefore that Christ and his Doctrine are of God and true And consequently that Christ was the Son of God the Redeemer of the world the Head of the Church and whatever he affirmeth himself to be Fourthly We are certain that the Apostles as Preachers of this Gospel and performers of the Commission Delivered them by Christ had the same attestation in kind as Christ himself had They had the same SPIRIT Though the antecedent testimony by Prophesie was not so full of them as it was of Christ yet the Gospel which they preached and left in writing First Hath in it still visibly to the eye of every truly discerning person the Image of Gods Power Wisdome and Goodness Secondly The same Gospel as preached and delivered by them had the Concomitant Testimony of abundant certain Miracles Prophesies and holy works Thirdly The same Gospel maketh that impression on the souls of true receivers which is the Image of Gods power wisdome and goodness and so proveth it to be of God The concurrence of these three is a full and certain proof Now if there be any doubtfulness in any of this it must be First Either what it is that these Attestations prove Secondly Or whether they are really Divine Attestations Thirdly Or whether Divine Attestations are a certain proof of Truth To begin at the last First If Divine Testimony be not a certain proof of Truth then there is no possible proof in the world For there is no Veracity in any Creature but derivative from God And then it must be either because a Lie is as perfect and Good as Truth which humanity reason and all the world contradicteth and humane society abhorreth there being no savages so barbarous as to think so or because God is imperfect either in wisdome to know what is True and sit or in Goodness to choose it or in Power to use it That is that God is not God or that there is no God and consequently no Being for an Imperfect God an unwise an ill an impotent Being is no God And verily all our Controversies with the Infidel and the Impious and the Persecuter must finally come to this Whethen there be a God II. And that these were really Divine Attestations I have fully proved in the Treatise First They are Divine Effects and the Divine Vestigia or Image Secondly And such as none can do but God None else can give that full Antecedent Testimony of Prophesie None else could have done what Christ did in his Life Death Resurrection and Ascension None could heal all Diseases work all Miracles raise the Dead with a word None else could do what the Apostles did in Tongues and Miracles and wonderous gifts and these wrought by so many before so many for so long a time No other Doctrine could it self bear Gods Image of Power Wisdome and Goodness so exactly nor make such an Impresse of the same Image on the souls of men Nay though this same Doctrine by the Spirit of God be adopted to such an effect yet would it not do it for want of Powerfull application if God by the same Spirit did not set it home so that the sanctification and renovation of souls is a Divine Attestation of this sacred Gospel And besides all the past Testimonies of Christs and his Apostles Miracles here is a double Testimony from God still vouchsafed to all true Believers to the end of the world The one is Gods Image on the holy Scriptures The other is The same Image by this Scripture and the Spirit that indited it printed on all true Christians souls Divine Power Wisdome and Goodness hath imprinted it self first upon the sacred word or doctrine and by that produceth unimitably holy Life Light and Love in holy souls True Christians know this They feel it They profess it They have this Spirit in them illuminating their minds sanctifying their wills and quickening them to vital operation and execution And this is Christs Advocate and Witness still dwelling in all his members I speak not of an immediate verbal or impulsive revelation in us but of a Holy indwelling nature principle operation conforming the soul to God and proving us to bear his Image This is Christs Witness in us that He is Christ indeed and True And this is Our Witness that we are the Children of God And it is our Inherent earnest and pledge first fruits