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A86506 A vindication of baptizing beleevers infants. In some animadversions upon Mr. Tombes his Exercitations about infant baptisme; as also upon his Examen, as touching the antiquities and authors by him alledged or contradicted that concern the same. Humbly submitted to the judgement of all candid Christians, / by Nathanael Homes. Published according to order. Homes, Nathanael, 1599-1678. 1646 (1646) Wing H2578; Thomason E324_1; ESTC R200604 209,591 247

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