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hand_n this_o scripture_n as_o may_v be_v see_v in_o the_o place_n 5._o place_n just_a comp._n pag._n 5._o be_v bring_v to_o prove_v that_o as_o abraham_n receive_v circumcision_n when_o he_o be_v a_o member_n of_o a_o visible_a church_n so_o consequent_o baptism_n which_o come_v in_o the_o room_n thereof_o belong_v peculiar_o to_o such_o as_o be_v join_v to_o some_o particular_a congregation_n mr._n paget_n perceive_v as_o it_o be_v probable_a the_o strength_n of_o the_o argument_n cunning_o withdraw_v himself_o from_o it_o and_o that_o the_o reader_n may_v not_o see_v it_o he_o set_v down_o 2_o or_o 3_o conceit_a fancy_n of_o his_o own_o unto_o which_o brief_o thus_o i_o answer_v 1._o imagen_n i_o shall_v deny_v that_o there_o be_v in_o abraham_n time_n any_o believer_n out_o of_o his_o family_n or_o contrariwise_o say_v i_o grant_v there_o be_v what_o will_v he_o hence_o infer_v for_o my_o part_n i_o know_v not_o nor_o yet_o he_o himself_o i_o be_o persuade_v 2._o concern_v his_o why_o not_o i_o ask_v of_o he_o for_o his_o why_o so_o be_v it_o the_o manner_n of_o disputer_n to_o propound_v a_o case_n and_o then_o ask_v of_o the_o stander_n by_o sir_n why_o may_v it_o not_o be_v thus_o if_o there_o be_v any_o divine_a pattern_n for_o such_o a_o practice_n it_o now_o concern_v you_o mr._n paget_n to_o show_v it_o if_o you_o can_v as_o i_o be_o sure_a you_o can_v than_o i_o wish_v you_o in_o such_o case_n hereafter_o to_o shirt_n your_o lip_n 17.28_o lip_n pr._n 17.28_o and_o so_o you_o shall_v be_v esteem_v a_o man_n of_o the_o better_o understand_v but_o to_o deliver_v you_o if_o it_o may_v be_v from_o your_o vain_a conjecture_n and_o doubt_n as_o for_o circumcision_n it_o be_v not_o command_v to_o the_o gentle_n at_o all_o
be_v fear_v i_o say_v again_o those_o that_o offend_v this_o way_n may_v just_o fear_v god_n punishment_n because_o he_o do_v not_o manifest_v more_o displeasure_n against_o any_o sin_n than_o the_o profanation_n of_o his_o ordinance_n nor_o threaten_v to_o inflict_v soor_a punishment_n upon_o any_o than_o offender_n herein_o 13.10_o herein_o levit._fw-la 10.2.4_o chron._n 13.10_o and_o this_o be_v the_o judgement_n of_o sundry_a of_o our_o best_a divine_n viz._n junius_n 27._o junius_n anal._n expl_n levit._fw-la c._n 10_o p._n 27._o brentius_n 4.6_o brentius_n comment_fw-fr in_o am._n c._n 4._o v._n 4.6_o piscator_fw-la 10._o piscator_fw-la observe_v 3._o in_o levit._n 10._o paraeus_n 2.12_o paraeus_n in_o am._n 2.12_o cartwright_n 102._o cartwright_n catech._n pag._n 102._o and_o other_o section_n vi._n howsoever_o i_o can_v be_v well_o contend_v in_o these_o our_o difference_n to_o deal_v with_o mr._n paget_n by_o the_o scripture_n alone_o as_o the_o book_n of_o all_o truth_n 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themselves_o yet_o be_v of_o the_o church_n note_n church_n note_n their_o child_n can_v nor_o ought_v not_o to_o be_v refuse_v again_o a_o few_o line_n after_o speak_v of_o papist_n and_o other_o ungodly_a man_n he_o affirm_v absolute_o that_o their_o child_n ought_v not_o to_o be_v baptize_v in_o the_o next_o place_n we_o will_v consider_v the_o author_n of_o a_o certain_a book_n 111.112_o pag._n 111.112_o entitle_v the_o covenant_n between_o god_n and_o man_n he_o there_o maintain_v this_o point_n which_o we_o here_o profess_v baptism_n say_v he_o be_v to_o be_v administer_v to_o they_o only_o that_o be_v in_o the_o covenant_n and_o that_o the_o reader_n may_v understand_v who_o he_o mean_v to_o be_v in_o the_o covenant_n he_o add_v immediate_o they_o be_v such_o as_o profess_v the_o faith_n join_v themselves_o together_o in_o a_o fellowship_n crave_v to_o have_v their_o name_n enrouled_a and_o register_v in_o the_o church_n and_o so_o partake_v of_o the_o manifold_a grace_n of_o god_n which_o be_v distribute_v therein_o to_o these_o we_o will_v add_v master_n viret_n 230._o viret_n ground_n reli._n p._n 230._o a_o rare_a light_n of_o the_o gospel_n and_o partner_n with_o mr._n farell_n in_o plant_v the_o church_n at_o geneva_n before_o calvin_n come_v there_o none_o say_v he_o be_v to_o be_v baptize_v but_o the_o child_n of_o the_o faithful_a and_o believer_n all_o except_o these_o be_v to_o be_v instruct_v in_o the_o doctrine_n before_o they_o be_v admit_v thereunto_o piscator_fw-la likewise_o be_v as_o plain_a as_o can_v be_v they_o only_o say_v he_o be_v to_o be_v baptize_v which_o belong_v to_o the_o church_n 19_o on_o mat._n ch_z 28._o obse_n in_o v._o 19_o for_o as_o in_o old_a time_n they_o circumcise_v the_o child_n of_o the_o jew_n because_o they_o belong_v to_o the_o church_n and_o covenant_n so_o now_o etc._n etc._n mr._n fenner_n sacra_fw-la fenner_n doct._n of_o the_o sacra_fw-la say_v the_o very_a same_o so_o paraeus_n 3.5_o paraeus_n in_o mat._n 3.5_o erastus_n 18.24_o erastus_n de_fw-fr excom_n p._n 18.24_o melancton_n 383._o melancton_n loc._n com._n pag._n 383._o keckerman_n 453._o keckerman_n system_fw-la theol._n l._n 3._o p._n 453._o speak_v of_o the_o lawfullnes_n of_o the_o baptise_v of_o infant_n give_v this_o as_o the_o reason_n of_o it_o viz._n because_o they_o be_v member_n of_o the_o church_n the_o like_a say_n we_o find_v in_o a_o book_n name_v a_o general_a confession_n of_o christian_a church_n because_o god_n receive_v into_o his_o church_n the_o child_n with_o the_o father_n we_o say_v by_o the_o authority_n of_o christ_n infant_n beget_v of_o faithful_a parent_n aught_o to_o be_v baptize_v also_o beza_n 7.14_o beza_n in_o 1._o cor._n 7.14_o say_v such_o as_o do_v permit_v all_o child_n to_o be_v baptize_v do_v a_o thing_n unheard_a off_o in_o the_o primitive_a church_n neither_o may_v tertullians_n testimony_n be_v omit_v speak_v as_o junius_n interpret_v he_o of_o such_o child_n as_o be_v stranger_n from_o 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thing_n have_v be_v in_o these_o country_n a_o long_a time_n practise_v and_o therefore_o it_o be_v not_o meet_v that_o so_o ancient_a a_o custom_n shall_v be_v lay_v down_o answ_n 1._o when_o the_o truth_n be_v know_v say_v augustine_n gaudent_fw-la augustine_n l._n 2._o ep._n ad_fw-la gaudent_fw-la let_v custom_n give_v place_n unto_o it_o for_o virg._n for_o ambr._n l._n 4._o virg._n we_o must_v not_o always_o imitate_v whatsoever_o our_o elder_n have_v allow_v but_o try_v by_o the_o scripture_n whither_o the_o thing_n be_v good_a which_o they_o allow_v and_o thus_o do_v these_o church_n church_n church_n a_o general_n confess_v of_o christ._n church_n in_o their_o writing_n profess_v to_o the_o world_n that_o they_o judge_v it_o of_o small_a force_n in_o controversy_n of_o religion_n to_o be_v urge_v with_o the_o bare_a sentenoe_n of_o father_n or_o with_o the_o decree_n of_o council_n much_o less_o with_o receive_a custom_n or_o with_o continuance_n of_o time_n for_o we_o admit_v they_o say_v no_o other_o judge_n in_o matter_n of_o faith_n than_o god_n himself_o pronounce_v in_o his_o word_n 2._o by_o this_o custom_n they_o give_v the_o anabaptist_n great_a advantage_n and_o nihilate_v the_o best_a argument_n which_o our_o divine_n use_v against_o they_o for_o the_o lawfullnes_n of_o baptise_v of_o infant_n and_o that_o this_o be_v so_o let_v it_o be_v observe_v that_o the_o reason_n which_o they_o in_o this_o point_n do_v stick_v most_o too_o be_v this_o namely_o that_o child_n of_o christian_n by_o the_o same_o warrant_n 223._o warrant_n calv._n in_o mat._n 18._o v._n 10._o gerhard_n harm_n euang_n c._n 12._o pag._n 352._o cent._n 1._o l._n 2._o c._n 4._o p._n 355._o d._n willet_n on_o rom._n 6._o p._n 303._o cartwr_n christ_n rel._n c._n 37._o p._n 223._o be_v now_o to_o be_v baptize_v that_o the_o infant_n under_o the_o law_n be_v circumcise_v now_o i_o have_v prove_v before_o
testimony_n i_o doubt_v not_o but_o to_o make_v it_o manifest_a that_o as_o the_o scripture_n so_o they_o be_v also_o with_o we_o and_o so_o much_o shall_v be_v declare_v in_o the_o next_o section_n section_n viii_o the_o allegation_n of_o the_o learned_a which_o i_o purpose_v here_o to_o set_v down_o shall_v be_v take_v 1._o from_o papist_n 2._o lutheran_n 3._o calvinist_n 4._o english_a conformist_n 5._o the_o nonconformist_n 6._o ancient_a writer_n and_o last_o the_o confession_n of_o reform_a church_n howsoever_o romes-champion_n 5._o romes-champion_n bellarm._n de_fw-fr verb._n dei_fw-la l._n 3._o c._n 5._o rhem._n in_o mat._n 18.17_o &_o 1_o cor._n 5.2_o aegid_a topi._n conc._n in_o ep._n &_o euangel_n p._n 280._o stapl._n de_fw-fr auth_v eccl._n count_v whita_n c._n 1._o c._n 1._o sect._n 5._o will_v have_v none_o now_o to_o meddle_v with_o church-gouvernment_a but_o priest_n bishop_n prelate_n etc._n etc._n yet_o they_o do_v acknowledge_v that_o in_o the_o primitive_a church_n according_a to_o the_o precept_n of_o christ_n in_o mat._n 18._o offender_n after_o the_o first_o and_o second_o admonition_n be_v bring_v to_o the_o whole_a congregation_n meet_v in_o one_o place_n together_o that_o be_v the_o christian_n with_o their_o bishop_n or_o pastor_n and_o there_o if_o they_o continue_v impenitent_a by_o the_o consent_n and_o approbation_n of_o all_o they_o be_v excommunicate_v by_o the_o minister_n 134_o minister_n scult_v hier._n anar_n l._n 11._o p._n 134_o mark_v i_o pray_v thou_o reader_n the_o marvellous_a efficacy_n of_o the_o truth_n which_o force_v a_o testimony_n thereof_o even_o from_o they_o that_o be_v to_o it_o the_o great_a enemy_n it_o be_v here_o acknowledge_v as_o the_o truth_n be_v the_o right_a of_o ecclesiastical_a gouvernment_n at_o first_o be_v in_o the_o body_n of_o every_o particular_a congregation_n there_o lay_v the_o due_a power_n i_o do_v not_o say_v chief_o but_o whole_o so_o that_o what_o spiritual_a power_n be_v now_o assume_v above_o this_o whither_o it_o be_v papal_a or_o episcopal_a whither_o it_o be_v classical_a or_o synodall_n they_o be_v humane_a ordinance_n and_o apparent_a violation_n of_o a_o divine_a institution_n other_o of_o they_o speak_v 6._o speak_v saravia_n count_v bez._n pag._n 62._o schol._n paris_n in_o pol_n p._n 6._o as_o plain_o all_o ecclesiastical_a authority_n primary_o proper_o and_o essential_o belong_v to_o the_o church_n to_o the_o officer_n instrumental_o ministerial_o and_o so_o far_o only_a as_o it_o respect_v the_o execution_n of_o it_o here_o be_v nothing_o say_v to_o justify_v minister_n in_o take_v more_o authority_n to_o themselves_o than_o they_o grant_v their_o congregation_n but_o a_o testimony_n to_o the_o contrary_a for_o what_o they_o do_v be_v only_o ministerial_o as_o the_o servant_n of_o the_o church_n and_o therefore_o a_o most_o unseemelie_a thing_n without_o the_o church_n before_o knowledge_n like_v and_o consent_n to_o make_v act_n or_o decree_n but_o more_o to_o bind_v man_n to_o the_o keep_n thereof_o whither_o they_o will_v or_o no._n to_o these_o we_o will_v add_v alphonsus_n har._n alphonsus_n l._n 2._o c._n 24._o de_fw-fr inst_z har._n de_fw-fr costro_n and_o franciscus_n victoria_n 2._o victoria_n in_o relect_v de_fw-fr potest_fw-la eccl._n qu._n 2._o the_o master_n of_o canus_n both_o these_o affirm_v that_o all_o bishop_n do_v receive_v jurisdiction_n and_o power_n immediate_o from_o god_n if_o so_o than_o one_o need_v not_o to_o seek_v another_o authority_n for_o every_o one_o in_o his_o own_o church_n may_v lawful_o administer_v all_o god_n ordinance_n whither_o other_o otherwhere_o do_v like_a or_o not_o thus_o god_n who_o bring_v light_n out_o of_o darkcne_n order_v these_o man_n tongue_n to_o give_v witness_n unto_o his_o truth_n neither_o may_v cusanus_fw-la 14.15.16_o cusanus_fw-la de_fw-fr concor_fw-fr cathol_n l._n 1._o c._n 11._o etc._n etc._n 14.15.16_o word_n be_v unremembered_a who_o speak_v on_o this_o place_n to_o thou_o will_v i_o give_v the_o kee_n say_v this_o promise_n of_o christ_n must_v be_v refer_v unto_o the_o whole_a church_n sander_n 6._o sander_n de_fw-fr visib_n mon._n l._n 1._o c_o 6._o scultingius_n 103._o scultingius_n hierarch_n anarch_n l._n 4._o pag._n 103._o and_o other_o of_o they_o give_v the_o same_o exposition_n viz._n that_o when_o christ_n promise_v peter_n the_o kee_n he_o in_o person_n present_v the_o body_n of_o the_o church_n according_a to_o these_o man_n writing_n the_o power_n of_o bind_v and_o lose_v election_n of_o minister_n deposition_n and_o the_o like_a be_v in_o the_o body_n of_o the_o congregation_n if_o so_o than_o class_n and_o synod_n have_v it_o not_o i_o mean_v of_o right_n john_n ferus_fw-la a_o friar_n of_o s._n francis_n order_n but_o godly_a than_o the_o franciscanus_n the_o such_o as_o bucanan_n describe_v in_o his_o franciscanus_n common_a sort_n entreat_v in_o his_o commentary_n write_v on_o the_o act_n of_o the_o example_n of_o peter_n how_o he_o be_v require_v to_o render_v a_o reason_n of_o that_o which_o he_o have_v do_v make_v this_o note_n upon_o it_o peter_n the_o apostle_n and_o chief_a of_o the_o apostle_n be_v constrain_v to_o give_v a_o account_n to_o the_o church_n neither_o do_v he_o disdain_v it_o because_o he_o know_v himself_o not_o to_o be_v a_o lord_n but_o a_o minister_n of_o the_o church_n the_o church_n be_v the_o spouse_n of_o christ_n and_o lady_n of_o the_o house_n peter_n a_o servant_n and_o minister_n wherefore_o the_o church_n may_v not_o only_o exact_v a_o account_n of_o her_o minister_n but_o also_o depose_v they_o and_o reject_v they_o altogether_o if_o they_o be_v not_o fit_a so_o do_v they_o in_o old_a time_n very_o often_o but_o wicked_a bishop_n now_o will_v not_o be_v reprooved_a no_o not_o of_o the_o church_n nor_o be_v order_v by_o it_o as_o though_o they_o be_v lord_n not_o mlnister_n 11._o mlnister_n fer._n in_o act._n 11._o what_o can_v be_v more_o for_o we_o then_o this_o for_o he_o absolute_o grant_v we_o the_o thing_n which_o we_o stand_v for_o that_o be_v that_o the_o church_n be_v above_o her_o officer_n and_o therefore_o may_v require_v when_o there_o be_v just_a occasion_n a_o strict_a account_n of_o their_o action_n yea_o more_o if_o she_o find_v they_o unfaithful_a whether_o it_o be_v in_o carry_v themselves_o more_o like_a lord_n then_o servant_n or_o in_o stead_n of_o execute_v the_o degree_n and_o sentence_n of_o the_o church_n devise_v law_n against_o she_o or_o in_o stead_n of_o maintain_v her_o right_n freedom_n and_o privilege_n seek_v to_o bring_v she_o into_o bondage_n she_o may_v put_v they_o down_o and_o place_n better_o in_o their_o room_n but_o it_o seem_v by_o mr._n pagets_n question_n in_o pag._n 82._o if_o he_o have_v be_v in_o peter_n place_n he_o will_v not_o have_v have_v his_o matter_n debate_v and_o discuss_v open_o before_o the_o whole_a multitude_n of_o the_o church_n notwithstanding_o i_o can_v see_v how_o he_o can_v have_v avoid_v it_o see_v there_o be_v then_o no_o class_n for_o he_o to_o have_v make_v his_o appeal_n unto_o i_o can_v here_o produce_v other_o of_o they_o viz._n gratian_n 6._o gratian_n caus_n 11._o p._n 3._o 6._o gregory_n 8.2_o gregory_n lib._n 4._o epist_n 8.2_o p._n aeneas_n silvias_n 1._o silvias_n de_fw-fr gest_n conc._n basil_n lib._n 1._o pope_n anacletus_fw-la test_n anacletus_fw-la dist_n 21._o c._n in_o nov_n test_n sixtus_n senensis_n 171._o senensis_n bib._n san._n l._n 8._o annot_v 171._o thomas_n of_o aquine_n 2._o aquine_n in_o 4_o scent_n do_v 2.4_o qu._n 3._o art_n 2._o alexander_n of_o alice_n 5.6_o alice_n sum._n theo._n part_n 4_o qu._n 20._o i_n 5.6_o john_n scott_n 1._o scott_n in_o magist_n send_v l._n 4._o do_v 19_o art_n 1._o etc._n etc._n some_o affirm_v that_o the_o great_a authority_n be_v in_o the_o church_n that_o the_o kee_n be_v give_v to_o all_o the_o apostle_n other_o that_o all_o bishop_n be_v equal_a in_o power_n and_o the_o like_a but_o we_o will_v leave_v these_o man_n and_o come_v to_o more_o authentic_a witness_n it_o be_v affirm_v by_o the_o century_n of_o meydenburg_n that_o from_o christ_n ascension_n unto_o trajans_n 591._o trajans_n cent._n 1._o c._n 4._o cent._n 6.7_o col._n 591._o time_n which_o be_v about_o a_o 100_o year_n every_o particular_a church_n be_v gouvern_v by_o the_o bishop_n elder_n and_o deacon_n of_o the_o same_o moreover_o describe_v the_o state_n of_o christian_a church_n from_o trajans_n 135._o trajans_n cent._n 2._o c._n 7._o p._n 134._o 135._o reign_n unto_o severus_n that_o be_v from_o the_o year_n of_o christ_n 100_o to_o 195_o thus_o they_o write_v if_o any_o read_v the_o approve_a author_n of_o this_o age_n he_o shall_v see_v that_o the_o order_n of_o gouvernment_n be_v popular_a for_o all_o church_n have_v equal_a power_n of_o teach_v pure_o the_o word_n of_o god_n administration_n of_o the_o sacrament_n excommunication_n of_o
viz._n ministers-must_a be_v choose_v with_o the_o free_a consent_n of_o the_o elder_n and_o the_o whole_a congregation_n by_o the_o like_a authority_n as_o they_o be_v elect_v they_o may_v be_v depose_v but_o nothing_o herein_o must_v be_v attempt_v without_o the_o determination_n of_o the_o whole_a church_n what_o those_o synod_n be_v of_o who_o mr._n paget_n speak_v in_o pag._n 66._o who_o decree_v that_o particular_a congregation_n shall_v not_o practice_v among_o themselves_o all_o god_n ordinance_n i_o do_v not_o yet_o know_v but_o this_o i_o know_v that_o no_o reform_a church_n have_v make_v this_o a_o article_n of_o their_o faith_n and_o therefore_o it_o be_v certain_a if_o such_o a_o thing_n be_v it_o be_v only_o the_o invention_n of_o some_o particular_a man_n for_o conclusion_n now_o of_o this_o section_n howsoever_o i_o have_v alleidge_v the_o opinion_n of_o many_o learned_a man_n notwithstanding_o it_o be_v the_o word_n of_o god_n which_o i_o appeal_v unto_o for_o to_o have_v the_o matter_n in_o controversy_n betwixt_o we_o only_o try_v by_o and_o herein_o i_o do_v no_o more_o than_o other_o do_v which_o know_v they_o have_v the_o truth_n on_o their_o side_n namely_o to_o call_v their_o opposite_n unto_o the_o scripture_n and_o to_o require_v of_o they_o to_o stand_v unto_o the_o undeceiveable_a sentence_n and_o judgement_n thereof_o thus_o the_o protestant_n 1._o protestant_n d._n whita_n de_fw-fr cont_n qu._n 3_o c._n 3._o d._n morton_n apolo_n cath._n p._n 2._o l._n 1._o c._n 32._o sutclif_n def_n pont._n rom._n l._n 2._o c._n 9_o p._n 132._o b._n jew._n apo._n par_fw-fr 2._o c._n 5._o d._n 1._o do_v with_o the_o papist_n and_o the_o reformist_n rat_n reformist_n par._n pol._n eccl._n l._n 1._o c._n 24._o c_o dever_n eccl._n refor_o rat_n again_o with_o they_o and_o for_o this_o purpose_n have_v zanchy_a ‡_o a_o worthy_a speech_n in_o his_o writing_n unto_o d._n knoll_v all_o thing_n touch_v worship_n and_o discipline_n aught_o to_o be_v examine_v not_o by_o the_o uncertain_a rule_n of_o human_n judgement_n but_o by_o the_o touchstone_n of_o divine_a scripture_n section_n ix_o that_o those_o who_o have_v read_v mr._n pagets_n book_n may_v not_o think_v that_o i_o have_v purposely_o omit_v any_o thing_n his_o jest_n slander_n and_o unchristian_a term_n except_v which_o carry_v with_o it_o the_o show_n of_o any_o matter_n touch_v the_o main_a point_n in_o question_n i_o have_v think_v good_a in_o this_o section_n to_o set_v down_o some_o brief_a answer_n unto_o certain_a colourable_a or_o rather_o carnal_a pretence_n which_o he_o use_v in_o the_o defence_n of_o himself_o and_o cause_n his_o first_o reason_n be_v this_o if_o particular_a preface_n particular_a preface_n congregation_n shall_v not_o stand_v under_o any_o other_o ecclesiastical_a authority_n out_o of_o themselves_o manifold_a disorder_n confusion_n and_o dissipation_n of_o church_n will_v follow_v answ_n 1._o when_o god_n have_v establish_v a_o order_n for_o the_o administration_n of_o his_o own_o house_n what_o presumption_n of_o man_n dare_v change_v it_o think_v he_o that_o he_o be_v wise_a than_o the_o almighty_a and_o can_v by_o his_o foolish_a way_n and_o devise_v bring_v more_o peace_n and_o profit_n to_o god_n house_n than_o the_o way_n of_o the_o all_o wise_a god_n but_o what_o will_v not_o dust_n and_o ash_n presume_v to_o do_v against_o his_o maker_n and_o that_o with_o show_n of_o conveniency_n and_o to_o correct_v and_o reform_v that_o which_o they_o conceive_v to_o be_v imperfect_a in_o his_o do_n but_o it_o seem_v in_o the_o mean_a time_n that_o these_o little_a consider_v how_o straight_o the_o lord_n have_v forbid_v such_o practice_n and_o what_o dreadful_a plague_n he_o threaten_v against_o man_n for_o it_o as_o mr._n paget_n therefore_o wish_v other_o to_o take_v heed_n what_o new_a form_n of_o church_n and_o church-gouvernment_a preface_n preface_n they_o frame_v unto_o themselves_o or_o command_v unto_o other_o so_o i_o desire_v that_o he_o himself_o will_v make_v a_o profitable_a use_n of_o his_o own_o counsel_n 2._o be_v it_o well_o consider_v that_o god_n always_o abhor_v all_o good_a intentes_fw-la of_o man_n that_o be_v contrary_a to_o the_o good_a pleasure_n of_o his_o will_n reveal_v in_o his_o word_n the_o church_n say_v whitaker_n 16._o whitaker_n de_fw-fr rom._n pont._n count_v 4._o qu._n 1._o p._n 16._o must_v not_o be_v gouvern_v as_o the_o wit_n of_o man_n think_v fit_a but_o as_o christ_n the_o lord_n and_o king_n thereof_o will_v have_v it_o 3._o this_o objection_n take_v here_o up_o by_o mr._n paget_n be_v the_o very_a same_o which_o the_o papist_n and_o those_o that_o way_n affect_v use_v for_o to_o have_v ecclesiastical_a gouvernment_n by_o presbyter_n reject_v and_o their_o own_o popish_a hierarchy_n everywhere_o receive_v and_o practise_v viz._n because_o the_o put_n by_o of_o the_o late_a tend_v etc._n tend_v sarav_fw-mi de_fw-mi tripli_v epis_fw-la in_o prologue_n sand._n the_o visibl_n monar_n l._n 5._o c._n 4._o scult_v hier._n anarc_n l._n 10._o c._n 20._o l._n 11.119.137_o etc._n etc._n unto_o all_o mischief_n and_o the_o establish_n of_o the_o former_a 164_o former_a whitg_n tract_n 3._o c._n 4_o div_o 4._o &_o divis_fw-la 8._o pag._n 169._o loe_o compl_a chu_n p._n 164_o cause_v uproar_n in_o the_o church_n dissipate_v it_o and_o overthrow_v all_o good_a order_n therein_o 4._o if_o particular_a congregation_n must_v loose_v their_o right_n and_o power_n because_o of_o the_o offence_n which_o some_o man_n have_v commit_v in_o the_o exercise_n thereof_o then_o sure_o by_o the_o same_o reason_n if_o mr._n pagets_n reason_n be_v worth_a any_o thing_n ought_v class_n and_o synod_n to_o lay_v down_o that_o superior_a authority_n which_o they_o have_v take_v over_o many_o church_n because_o they_o in_o many_o thing_n many_o time_n have_v offend_v in_o and_o about_o the_o execution_n and_o this_o i_o be_o sure_a no_o good_a christian_n will_v deny_v i_o can_v give_v divers_a instance_n for_o it_o but_o it_o need_v not_o only_o it_o be_v not_o amiss_o to_o set_v down_o nazianzen_n proc._n nazianzen_n epist_n 42._o ad_fw-la proc._n word_n who_o be_v a_o elder_a or_o bishop_n i_o be_o mind_v say_v he_o to_o shun_v all_o assembly_n of_o bishop_n because_o i_o never_o see_v any_o good_a event_n in_o any_o council_n that_o do_v not_o rather_o increase_v then_o diminish_v our_o evil_n their_o contention_n and_o ambition_n pass_v my_o speech_n whither_o thing_n be_v better_o carry_v now_o than_o they_o be_v in_o his_o time_n i_o will_v not_o nor_o be_o able_a to_o judge_v 5._o if_o the_o infirmity_n of_o the_o people_n be_v a_o good_a reason_n to_o take_v away_o their_o liberty_n in_o practise_v among_o themselves_o all_o god_n ordinance_n then_o the_o contrary_a virtue_n which_o oftentimes_o have_v be_v find_v in_o they_o as_o instay_v the_o rage_n of_o the_o scribe_n and_o pharisy_n 3.26_o pharisy_n mat._n 21.26_o act._n 3.26_o in_o prefer_v sincere_a christian_n before_o arrian_n 7._o arrian_n zezo_n l._n 7._o c._n 7._o and_o be_v themselves_o sound_a in_o the_o faith_n 7._o faith_n theod_n l._n 2._o cap._n 7._o when_o their_o minister_n have_v be_v heretic_n be_v a_o good_a reason_n to_o maintain_v their_o liberty_n still_o another_o thing_n which_o he_o talk_v much_o off_o 72._o pag._n 72._o be_v that_o the_o power_n which_o the_o classis_fw-la exercise_v be_v ancient_a and_o hence_o name_v it_o the_o old_a beat_a path_n 105._o pag._n 105._o etc._n etc._n answ_n 1._o sundry_a error_n be_v as_o ancient_a as_o the_o apostle_n time_n yea_o begin_v before_o the_o most_o famous_a church_n in_o the_o world_n be_v plant_v therefore_o as_o cyprian_n 63._o cyprian_n epist._n 63._o say_v we_o must_v not_o regard_v what_o any_o other_o do_v before_o we_o or_o think_v fit_a to_o be_v do_v but_o what_o christ_n do_v who_o be_v before_o all_o 2._o howsoever_o mr._n paget_n for_o the_o credit_n of_o his_o cause_n name_v it_o the_o old_a and_o ancient_a discipline_n yet_o sure_o i_o be_o to_o prove_v it_o so_o he_o never_o will_v nor_o can_v there_o be_v many_o and_o i_o think_v he_o know_v it_o which_o do_v affirm_v that_o the_o ecclesiastical_a gouvernment_n by_o class_n and_o synod_n be_v a_o weed_n that_o grow_v many_o year_n after_o the_o apostle_n a_o late_a devise_n 387_o devise_n bilson_n perp_v gouver_fw-fr c._n 16._o p._n 387_o and_o that_o in_o all_o antiquity_n there_o do_v not_o appear_v any_o one_o step_v thereof_o 138._o thereof_o sutclif_n discipl_n c._n 8._o p._n 138._o also_o that_o at_o geneva_n subject_v of_o church_n to_o this_o order_n first_o begin_v 94._o begin_v brancroft_n surv_v c._n 22._o p._n 353._o comp._n ch._n p._n 91._o 93._o 94._o and_o before_o calvin_n come_v there_o every_o congregation_n be_v free_a in_o itself_o pref._n itself_o hooke_n ecc._n polit._n pref._n touch_v these_o