what in another case he once said in his Sermon of the Saints Worth pag. 11. viz. If a man takes the Picture of another he will not take it of his Back-side Leg or Hand or the like but of his Face his beautifullest Part yet that you and others will observe it that the World be no more troubled with such Narratives as can serve to no good End but will effectually promote a bad which is to expose Religion and make it mean and contemptible For my part I could heartily wish that all Differences about little things were laid aside it being as he observes pag. 252. on Jude very unsuitable that a greater Fire should be employed in roasting of an Egg than an Ox and to be more contentious for Bubbles than Blessedness As for greater Differences I could as heartily wish they were composed that the Love of God did more encrease and that would be the encrease of Vnity For what he saith Vol. 2. on Jude pag. 630. is very true The preserving of our Love to God is an excellent preservative against Sectaries and false Teachers He who loves God will fear to break the Vnity and Peace of the Church I cannot conclude better As for the great Case I refer you to the Sermon it self by which methinks I could stand and fall as being confident that either that will justifie Mr. Jenkin or that he will be able to justifie that and so shall be impatient till you give your Opinion of it to SIR Your Servant H. N. THE SERMON JUDE ver 19. These be they who separate themselves sensual having not the Spirit IN the 17 verse Jude produceth the Testimony of the Apostles of Jesus Christ in confirmation of what he had before said In which Testimony I note five Particulars 1. To whom it is commended to his beloved 2. How it was to be improved by remembring it 3. From whom it proceeded the Apostles of our Lord Jesus 4. Wherein it consisted in a Prediction That there should be mockers walking after their ungodly lusts 5. To whom it is opposed viz. to these Seducers These are they who separate themselves In which Words the Apostle shews That these who separate themselves from the Church were Scorners and that these who were sensual and void of the Spirit did follow their ungodly lusts Or in the Words Jude expresseth 1. The Sin of these Seducers in separating themselves 2. The Cause thereof which was 1. Their being sensual And 2. Their not having the Spirit For the first their Separation Two things are here to be opened 1. What the Apostle here intends by separating themselves 2. Wherein the Sinfulness of it consists 1. For the first The Original word may signifie the unbounding of a thing and the removing of a thing from those Bounds and Limits wherein it was set and placed c. Or it imports the parting and separating of one thing from another by Bounds and Limits put between them and the putting of Bounds and Limits for distinction and separation between several things it being thus a Resemblance taken from Fields or Countries which are distinguished and parted from each other by certain Boundaries and Land-marks set up to that end and thus it 's commonly taken by Interpreters in this place wherein these Seducers may be said to separate themselves divide or bound themselves from others either first Doctrinally or secondly Practically 1. Doctrinally by false and Heretical Doctrines whereby they divided themselves from the Truth and Faithful who were guided by the Truth of Scripture and walked according to the Rule of the Word c. 2. Practically they might separate themselves as by Bounds and Limits 1. By Prophaneness and living in a different way from the Saints namely in all loosness and uncleanness 2. By Schismaticalness and making of separation from and divisions in the Church Because they proudly despised the Doctrines or Persons of the Christians as contemptible and unworthy or because they would not endure the holy severity of the Churches Discipline they saith Calvin departed from it They might make Rents and Divisions in the Church by Schismatical withdrawing themselves from Fellowship and Communion with it Their Heresies were perverse and damnable Opinions their Schism was a perverse separation from Church-communion The former was in Doctrinals the latter in Practicals The former was opposite to Faith this latter to Charity By Faith all the Members are united to the Head by Charity one to another And as the breaking of the former is Heresie so their breaking of the latter was Schism And this Schism stands in the dissolving the Spiritual Band of Love and Union among Christians and appears in the withdrawing from the performance of those Duties which are both the Signs of and Helps to Christian Vnity as Prayer Hearing Receiving of Sacraments c. For because the dissolving of Christian Vnion chiefly appears in the undue separation from Church-communion therefore this rending is rightly called Schism It is usually said to be twofold Negative and Positive 1. Negative is when there is onely simplex secessio when there is onely a bare secession a peaceable and quiet withdrawing from Communion with a Church without making any head against that Church from which the departure is 2. Positive is when Persons so withdrawing do so consociate and draw themselves into a distinct and opposite Body setting up a Church against a Church or as Divines express it from Augustine an Altar against an Altar And this it is which in a peculiar manner and by way of eminency is called by the name of Schism and becomes sinful either in respect first of the groundlesness or secondly the manner thereof 1. The groundlesness when there is no casting of Persons out of the Church by an unjust Censure of Excommunication no departure by unsufferable Persecution no Heresie nor Idolatry in the Church maintained no necessity if Communion be held with a Church of communicating in its Sins and Corruptions 2. The manner of Separation makes it unlawful when 't is made without due endeavour and waiting for Reformation of the Church from which the departure is and such a rash departure is against Charity which suffers both much and long all tolerable things It is not presently distasted when the justest occasion is given it first useth all possible means of remedy The Chyrurgeon reserves Dismembring as the last remedy It looks upon a sudden breaking off from Communion with a Church which is a Dismembring not as Chyrurgery but Butchery not as medicinal but cruel 2. The Sinfulness of this Schismatical separation appears several ways I shall not spend time to compare it with Heresie though some have said that Schism is the greater Sin of the two August cont Donat. lib. 2. cap. 6. tells the Donatists that Schism was a greater Sin than that of the Traditores who in time of Persecution through fear delivered up their Bibles to the Persecutors to be burnt A Sin at which the
i. e. Mr. Burroughs will by no means allow but condemns as the direct way to bring in all kind of disorder and confusion into the Church This both Presbyterians and Independents then are agreed in That Edification alone is no sufficient Reason to forsake one Church for another and that a Persons own Opinion of his Case in that matter will not make that lawful to him which will be the unavoidable means of bringing in confusion to the Churches which he either leaves or joyns himself to But the Author of Separation yet no Schism thinks he hath sufficient Reason for his Opinion who doth thus argue viz. You call it a Crime because you suppose it is a transgression the Law of visible Communion with some particular Church But I say That the Laws of visible Communion with this or that particular Church are but positive and therefore subordinate to Laws more natural and necessary such is that wherein we are commanded to take care of our Souls and Salvation So that if Christians do shift particular Churches for the obtaining of very apparent advantages to their Salvation above what they have had where they were I see therein no Crime at all committed I grant indeed that positive Laws must give way to natural but then there must be a plain necessity that must intervene to make them inconsistent for otherwise both remain in force as I conceive they do in the Instance here given If indeed Salvation was inconsistent with or what we run the apparent hazard of in Communion with a particular Church then there is sufficient reason for separation from it but if it be onely that I conceive the increase of Knowledge or the engaging of my Affections may be better attained by separation from than continuance in its Communion this is far from a necessity and so no sufficient Reason to break it As it is in a Family If the Master takes no care to provide for his Children and Servants who of old were esteemed the Goods of their Master but that they must starve if they continue with him or if what he provides is such as will rather poyson than nourish them or what is absolutely forbid as Swines flesh under the Law in such a case they may shift for themselves and refuse to live with him till he mends their Condition But if what he provides is lawful wholesom and sufficient though not of so good nourishment as might be wished they are to content themselves and to keep within the bounds of Duty and Observance So it is here If we were in a Church that either denied us what is necessary to Salvation or that would engage us to do what will bring it into imminent hazard we have an unquestionable Reason to forbear Communion with her But when the means of Salvation that we enjoy are sufficient to it and what we deliberate about is onely the Degree and Measure what is better and fitter we cannot quit a Church without sin and our departure is unnecessary And that will further appear if we consider 1. That no further Knowledge or Edification is necessary than what we can attain to in a lawful way and what is otherwise lawful in it self by taking an undue course for it is made unlawful As Hearing Reading and Christian Converse are very fit Means for my Improvement but if I for it do injure my Family and neglect my Calling it is so far from being my duty that it is my sin So to edifie my self and to acquire a greater measure of Knowledge and Christian Vertues is a noble and most excellent End but if I for it break off Communion with the Church whereof I am a Member I make my self a Transgressor All which if well considered the falacy of our Author's Argument will appear For suppose I reason thus The Laws of particular Families are but postive and therefore subordinate to Laws more necessary such is that wherein we are commanded to take care of our Souls and therefore if I neglect the former for the good of the latter I see no Crime therein committed Would not this appear very conceited and imaginary And if it 's false here it is so in the Case that he offers The grounds of his mistake herein seem to be 1. That he was so intent upon the positive Laws of particular Churches that he had no respect to Church-communion in it self which is highly necessary by which means he did not consider that this Principle of shifting Communion for the expectation of further Improvement is what tends so to the dissolution of a Church that he that holds it is capable of continuing in no Communion whatsoever and what cannot be put in practice but confusion in and breaking up of Churches will most certainly follow This was what they of New-England had experience of and therefore provided against in their Platform of Church-Discipline cap. 3. Church-Members say they may not depart from the Church and so one from another as they please nor without just and weighty cause Such departure tends to the dissolution of the Body Just Reasons for a Members removal of himself are 1. If a man cannot continue without sin 2. In case of Persecution But not a word of a more profitable Ministry and greater edification Now if this be the necessary and constant Effect of this Principle it cannot be true 2. Another ground of his mistake seems to be That the notion of a particular Church led him to think that their separation into Societies distinct from our Church was no more than to go from one Parish-Church to another which is also the conceit of the Author of Sacrilegious Desertion This he insinuates pag. 66. But this is apparently false as I have shewed in part before and which will be further evident if you observe that their Agreement with us in Thirty six of our Articles makes them to be no more of us whilst they differ in the others that refer to our Constitution and which they separate from us for as they profess than that of the Independents made them one with the Presbyterians who in all matters of Faith did freely and fully consent to the Confession published by the Assembly the things of Church-Government and Discipline onely excepted as they say in the Preface to the Platform of Church-Discipline in New-England And much to the same purpose is that of the Congregational Churches met at the Savoy 1658. But yet for all this they neither of them think themselves one with the other and the Independents for their separation were notwithstanding accused of Schism by the other 2. This Course is unnecessary and so unlawful because even in the way in which a Person is whilst a Member of a true Church in the sense all along spoken of he may attain to all due Improvement The Author of Prelatique Preachers none of Christs Teachers pag. 31. to encourage People rather to sit at home than hear the Publick Ministers tells them That
THE Present Separation SELF-CONDEMNED And Proved to be SCHISM As it is Exemplified in a Sermon Preached upon that Subject by Mr. W. JENKYN And is further attested by divers others of his own Persuasion All produced in Answer to a LETTER from a FRIEND MANTON on JAMES pag. 404. True Wisdom as it will not sin against Faith by Error so not against Love by Schism LONDON Printed for Edward Croft at the Seven Stars in Little Lumbard street 1678. SIR UPon the Discourse that passed not long since betwixt you and me concerning the present Differences amongst us in this Nation and the Difficulties you then pressed me with about the Nature and Reasons of Schism and the Side which the Sin of it would lie upon I began to consider of it and forthwith resolved to see what I could meet with of that Subject amongst that Party you so boldly charge with it especially before their exclusion when they might be supposed to speak impartially And amongst the rest having procured of a Friend the Notes of a Sermon long since preached by Mr. Jenkin I diligently read it over and thought it a Discourse very well calculated to bring this matter to an issue betwixt us for which end having compared it with and corrected it by what he afterward printed upon that Text I did resolve to send it to you This I confess I the rather pitched upon as he is yet alive and is able to justifie it and because you also urged me with some Objections offered in particular against him and his proceedings in the case and did affirm That he with the rest of his Brethren durst not now own what they had formerly preached or preach what they formerly did about Separation lest they should revive what they hope is by this time forgotten and disquiet the Ashes of the old Nonconformists whose Followers they profess to be but herein as you said widely differ from I must confess my self not to have been a little disturbed at those Passages that you produced out of some of them and could not but transcribe that from Mr. Calamy in his Apologie against an unjust Invective pag. 10. viz. What will Mr. Burton say to old Mr. Dod Mr. Hildersham Mr. Ball Mr. Rathband c Did not these Reverend Ministers see the Pattern of Gods House And yet it is well known that they wrote many Books against those that refused Communion with our Churches he means the Episcopal and were their greatest Enemies And I cannot forget another you shewed me out of the Vindication of the Presbyterial Government pag. 135. published by the Provincial Assembly of London 1650. of whom you told me Mr. Jenkin was one viz. There were many godly and learned Nonconformists of this last Age that were persuaded in their Consciences that they could not hold Communion with the Church of England in receiving the Sacrament kneeling without sin yet did they not separate from her Indeed in that particular Act they withdrew but yet so as that they held Communion with her in the rest being far from a negative much more from a positive Separation Nay some of them even when our Churches were full of sinful Mixtures with great Zeal and Learning defended them so far as to write against those that did separate from them I do acknowledge that I am not able to reconcile all things of this nature and that it is very hard to shew where the difference lies betwixt now and then and to find out what the People have to scare them from Communion with the Church of England now that they had not in those Times and why what Mr. Cartwright Mr. Dod c. wrote then in defence of it will not still so far hold good But I hope you easily conceive that the Case is not the same with the Ministers as the People For the People it is confessed and you gave me an undeniable Proof of the general Belief of the present Nonconformists in this matter viz. That when by the late Act of Parliament every one that was in any Office of Trust was required to receive the Sacrament of the Lords Supper according to the usage of the Church of England they that amongst them were concerned were generally advised to it by their own Pastors and few if any were found to refuse it which doubtless they would have done if either they or their Pastors had thought that they had sinned in so doing and their own Interest or the capacity they might be in of doing better Services in their Places than out of them would not have made it lawful if it had not been thought lawful in it self And therefore I do very readily grant this But withal I hope you do perceive that there is a great difference betwixt the People and their Ministers betwixt the Peoples Communicating with and the Ministers Officiating in the Church for the Ministers are in order to this required to renounce the Covenant and to assent and consent to the use of the Liturgie And therefore though the People may now Communicate upon the same terms that the People did before the Wars when Separation from the Church of England was proved to be Schism by the great Nonconformists of those Times as is abovesaid and the Ministers may now Communicate upon the same terms as the People yet they cannot do it as Ministers and what reason is there that they should degrade themselves who are as Mr. Jenkin saith on Jude pag. 21. Church-Officers betrusted with the ordering of the Church and for opening the Doors of the Churches Communion by the Keys of Doctrine and Discipline and be no more than private Christians that have no power in these matters as he there observes Is this nothing to be from Rulers of the Flock turned down amongst the common Herd and from being keepers of the Keys to be brought under the power of them But supposing that they could thus far condescend yet do you make nothing of the Apostles necessity and woe is me or think you it fit after so sacred a Character as that of Ordination that they can clear themselves if they neglect it Consider what is written in a Book called Sacrilegious Desertion of the Holy Ministry rebuked pag. 30. viz. Is a Vow and Dedication to preach the Gospel no reason to preach it elsewhere when it 's forbidden in your Assemblies Is the alienation of Consecrated Persons no Sacrilege You told me indeed That supposing they were under the like necessity which you said they were not yet that as St. Paul's necessity did not so neither did theirs confine them to any particular Place Time or Number that Preaching was not more so when it was to many than to few in publick than in private in London than the Countrey and that as the Law did permit them to preach to Five besides their own Family so it did not forbid them private Conference elsewhere a way that the Nonconformists do so much recommend that one of them
Doctrine with their Bloods have sundry eminent Instruments of Christ endeavoured to reclaim the Popish from their Errours but in stead of being reclaimed they anathematized them with the dreadfulest Curses excommunicated yea murdered and destroyed multitudes of those who endeavoured their Reducement not permitting any to trade buy or sell to have either Religious or Civil Communion with them except they received the Beasts mark in their hands and foreheads All which considered we might safely forsake her nay could not safely do otherwise Since in stead of our healing of Babylon we could not be preserved from her destroying of us we did deservedly depart from her and every one go into his own Country and unless we had done so we could not have obeyed the clear Precept of the Word Apoc. 18. Come out of her my people c. Timothy is commanded to withdraw himself from perverse and unsound Teachers 1 Tim. 6. 3 5. Though Paul went into the Synagogue disputing and persuading the things concerning the Kingdom of God yet when divers were hardened and believed not but spake evil of that way he departed from them and separated the Disciples Acts 19. 9. And expresly is Communion with Idolaters forbidden 2 Cor. 6. 14 17. What fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness what communion hath light with darkness what concord hath Christ with Belial what agreement hath the Temple of God with Idols Come out from among them and be ye separate And Hos 4. 15. Though thou Israel play the harlot yet let not Judah offend and come ye not unto Gilgal neither go ye up to Bethaven Though in name that place was Bethel the House of God yet because Jeroboam's Calf was set up there it was indeed Bethaven the House of Vanity If Rome be a Bethaven for Idolatry and corrupting of Gods Worship our departure from it may be safely acknowledged and justified In vain therefore do the Romanists Stapleton Sanders c. brand our separation from them with the odious name of Donatism and Schism it being evident out of Augustine that the Donatists never objected any thing against nor could blame any thing in the Church from which they separated either for Faith or Worship whereas we have unanswerably proved the Pseudo-Catholick Roman Church to be notoriously guilty both of Heresie and Idolatry and our Adversaries themselves grant in whatever Church either of these depravations are found Communion with it is to be broken off I shall conclude this Discourse with that Passage out of Musculus concerning Schism There is saith he a double Schism the one bad the other good the bad is that whereby a good Vnion the good whereby a bad Vnion is broken asunder If ours be a Schism it is of the latter sort Obs 3. The voluntary and unnecessary dividing and separation from a true Church is Schismatical When we put bounds and partitions between it and our selves we sin say some as did these Seducers here taxed by Jude If the Church be not Heretical or Idolatrous or do not by Excommunication Persecution c. thrust us out of its Communion If it be such as Christ the Head hath Communion with we the Members ought not by separation to rend and divide the Body To separate from Congregations where the Word of Truth and Gospel of Salvation are held forth in an ordinary way as the Proclamations of Princes are held forth upon Pillars to which they are affixed where the Light of the Truth is set up as upon a Candlestick to guide Passengers to Heaven To separate from them to whom belong the Covenants and where the Sacraments the Seals of the Covenant are for substance rightly dispensed where Christ walketh in the midst of his golden candlesticks and discovers his Presence in his Ordinances whereby they are made effectual to the Conversion and Edification of Souls in an ordinary way where the Members are Saints by a professed subjection to Christ and his Gospel and haply have promised this explicitly and openly where there are sundry who in the judgment of Charity may be conceived to have the work of Grace really wrought in their Hearts by walking in some measure answerable to their Profession I say to separate from these as those with whom Church-communion is not to be held and maintained is unwarrantable and Schismatical Pretences for Separation I am not ignorant are alledged frequently and most plausibly that of Mixt Communion and of admitting into Church-fellowship the vile with the precious and those who are Chaff and therefore ought not to lodge with the Wheat Answ 1. Not to insist upon what some have urged viz. That this hath been the stone at which most Schismaticks have stumbled and the Pretence which they have of old alledged as having ever had a Spiritum Excommunicatorium a Spirit rather putting them upon dividing from those who they say are unholy than putting them upon any godly endeavours of making themselves holy as is evident in the Examples of the Audaeans Novatians Donatists Anabaptists Brownists c. 2. Let them consider Whether the want of the exact purging and reforming of these Abuses proceed not rather from some unhappy Obstructions and political Restrictions whether or no caused by those who make this Objection God knows in the exercise of Discipline than from the allowance or neglect of the Church it self Nay 3. Let them consider Whether when they separate from sinful mixtures the Church be not at that very time purging out those sinful mixtures And is that a time to make a separation from a Church by departing from it when the Servants of Christ are making a separation in that Church by reforming it But 4. Let it be seriously weighed That some sinful mixtures are not a sufficient cause of separation from a Church Hath not God his Church even where corruption of Manners hath crept into a Church if purity of Doctrine be maintained And is separation from that Church lawful from which God doth not separate Did the Apostle because of the sinful mixtures in the Church of Corinth direct the Faithful to separate Must not he who will forbear Communion with a Church till it be altogether freed from mixtures tarry till the day of Judgement till when we have no promise that Christ will gather out of his Church whatsoever doth offend 5. Let them consider Whether God hath made private Christians Stewards in his House to determine whether those with whom they Communicate are fit Members of the Church or not Or rather Whether it be not their duty when they discover Tares in the Church in stead of separating from it to labour that they may be found good Corn that so when God shall come to gather his Corn into his Garner they may not be thrown out Church-Officers are ministerially betrusted with the Ordering of the Church and for the opening and shutting of the doors of the Churches Communion by the Keys of Doctrine and Discipline And herein if they shall either be hindred
his Separation examined p. 42. once said of the Presbyterial is true of the Episcopal That there are many Ministers that have as few wicked at that Ordinance of the Lords Supper as ever were in the Church of Corinth I must confess that I was pleased with the ingenuous acknowledgment of the Author of The Cry of a Stone in 1642. who saith pag. 39. I freely acknowledge that there are many in the Parishes of England which are of a very godly Life and Conversation and some that go as far therein as ever I saw any in my life And if I should prefer any of the Separated before them in Conversation I should speak against my own Conscience but in the Church-state and Order I must prefer the other And I question not but that the State of the Church is still as good in that respect as it was then and might have been better had those kept in it that are run away from it and that by their Divisions in Religion make many to question whether there be any such thing in the World Certainly were our endeavours rightly placed and united there is scarcely any Church in the World whose Temper would promise more success than that of ours And if we would deal fairly as J. G. in his Cretensis pag. 5. once said in comparing them together and not set the Head of the one against the Tail of the other but measure Head with Head and Tail with Tail I will not say of our Church as he did of Independency That if that hath its Tens Presbytery hath its Thousands of the Sons of Belial in its Retinue but I will say That even the separated Churches as they now stand are not without them as well as we And if they would as well look out the Extortioner and Unjust and Covetous and Railer not to speak of others amongst themselves as they do pick out the Fornicator and Drunkard that are as they insinuate with us they would find their own Churches not so good and others not so bad as they imagine But supposing that such are in the Communion of our Church as it is not to be altogether denied yet is not the Church presently to be blamed Hear what Mr. Brinsley saith in his Arraignment of Schism pag. 39. Supposing such unwarrantable Mixtures have been and yet are to be found yet it cannot properly be put upon the Churches score What her Ordinance was touching the keeping back scandalous Persons from the Sacrament they which have read her ancient Rubrick cannot be ignorant And Mr. Vines of the Sacrament c. 19. p. 233. speaking about the Power which the Minister hath of keeping off unworthy Persons from the Lords Supper saith I as little doubt of the Intention of the Church of England in the Rule given to the Minister before the Communion in the case of some emergent Scandal at the present time The Church hath provided for the correcting of Offenders and perhaps there may be as good reason why the Censures of it are not now executed as there was in the late Times Mr. Crofton once told the Independents in his Bethshemesh clouded p. 110. The continuance of our disordered Discipline is the fruit of their disordered Separation from us I would fain be resolved in what Adam Steuart in his Zerubbabel to Sanballat pag. 70. puts to the Querie I would willingly know saith he whether it were not better for them that aim at Toleration and Separation to stay in the Church and to joyn all their endeavours with their Brethren to reform Abuses than by their separation to let the Church of God perish in Abuses Whether they do not better that stay in the Church to reform it when it may be reformed than to quit it for fear to be deformed in it If they had taken this course and had given us their help in stead of withdrawing from it doubtless the Censures of the Church would have signified more and the Members of it have been in a much better condition than now they are I shall conclude this with what is said by a well-experienced Person in his Address to the Nonconformists pag. 161. If in stead of this Separation each Christian of you had kept to Parochial Communion and each outed Minister had kept their Residence among them and Communion with them as private Members in the Parish-way and had also in a private capacity joyned with those Ministers which have succeeded them in doing all the good they could in the Parish I nothing doubt but that by so doing you would have taken an unspeakable far better course to promote the Power of Religion in the Nation than by what you have done It 's they that have in great measure weakned if not tied our Hands and then complain that we do not fight If all things therefore were considered I believe that they would have as little reason to condemn our Churches for Corruptions in this kind as I am sure if they will be constant to themselves that they have none to separate from us upon account of them 2. Separation is not to be allowed for slight and tolerable Errors which are not Fundamental and hinder Communion with Christ the Head as may be collected from pag. 28. 37. of this Sermon So also say the old Nonconformists in their Confutation of the Brownists published by Mr. Rathband pag. 4. We desire the Reader to consider that a People may be a true Church though they know not nor hold not every Truth contained in the Scriptures but contrarily hold many Errors repugnant to them This was the Primitive Opinion and Practice say the Provincial Assembly in their Vindication pag. 139. All such who professed Christianity held Communion together as one Church notwithstanding the difference of Judgments in lesser things and much corruption in Conversation And now that the Church of England doth hold no Fundamental Errors I appeal to themselves What it was before the Wars let the Author of Church-Levellers printed for Tho. Vnderhil 1644. speak When it was objected That the Presbyterians whilst persecuted by the Bishops did hold forth a full Liberty of Conscience he answers This is a Slander the difference between them and the Prelates being not in Doctrinals but Ceremonials And therefore after the Covenant was taken whilst the Lords had the Power of Admission to Benefices all Persons presented were to read the Articles publickly and profess their consent to them And that it is the same still is confessed So Mr. C. in his Discourse of the Religion of England pag. 43. The Doctrine of Faith and Sacraments by Law established is heartily received by the Nonconformists So Sacrilegious Desertion pag. 45. We differ not at all from the Doctrine of the Church of England till the new Doctrine about Infants was brought into the new Rubrick And certainly that is if an Error no dangerous or fundamental one So Dr. Owen in his Peace-offering 1667. p. 12. The Confession of the Church of
England declared in the Articles of Religion and herein what is purely Doctrinal we fully embrace and constantly adhere unto Again pag. 17. We know full well that we differ in nothing from the whole Form of Religion established in England but onely in some few things in outward Worship Herein too we have the concurrence of Mr. W. himself in his Separation yet no Schism p. 60. If you take it the Church of England for such Christians onely who are of the Faith in Doctrinals with those that hold the Thirty nine Articles here the Nonconformists come in for a share also who are of your Faith therein excepting those which respect Discipline and Ceremonies And pag. 62. It is evident that some sort of Errors in a Church though but tolerated may be a just ground of withdrawing though I do not charge the Church of England with any such Errors This therefore being thus acknowledged one would have thought the Argument might be fairly dismissed and that here could be no reason found for Separation And yet when we are come thus near it is like the two Mountains spoken of in Wales upon whose tops you may exchange Discourse and almost come to shaking of Hands and notwithstanding all there is little less than a days Journey betwixt you We seem to have brought the Matter to a perfect reconciliation but when we least thought of it we are at open War again For the Author last-mentioned grants as much as we can ask but immediately thrusts in a Reason or two that he thinks will maintain their Ground and vindicate their Practice notwithstanding The Doctrine he hath nothing against but yet the Preachers are Sometimes he saith they are contrary one to another some are for the Doctrine of Predestination others against it c. and how shall he then judge of their Faith and Doctrinals pag. 60. Sometimes he saith It is conceived many of them preach contrary to the Articles ibid. Sometimes again It is conceived that several of them do not honestly believe those Articles that they have professed to believe p. 62. And to make all sure because it may be objected That the People have liberty in this case of complaining he answers To what purpose when such Errors are publickly professed in printed Books and no course taken for correcting or ejecting of the Authors pag. 61. Things as impertinently as slanderously suggested For what though the Ministers differ among themselves in some Points as he doth after his Predecessors the Brownists affirm as you may see in the Nonconformists Answer to them pag. 4. is that a reason to forsake our Communion and doth he that forsakes ours for theirs find the case much amended Do not the Nonconformists as much differ from each other as any amongst us If not from whence proceed all those Disputes about Communion and Non-communion with us about the Imputation of Christ's Righteousness the nature of justifying Faith lawfulness and unlawfulness of prescribed Forms of Prayer of God's Prescience c. And why are Mr. How and Mr. Baxter c. so much teazed by some of their Fellows and the latter called Slanderer Dictator Self-saver and accused of Profaneness Blasphemy and what not as you may see in the Antidote to his Cure 1670 Is it not because they will not swallow down the absurdest of their Principles or do go further toward an accommodation of our unhappy Differences than they will allow But what are those Points that our Ministers thus differ among themselves or from our Church in Is it about the mode in Imputation or about the Object of Predestination c. These things the Church of England is not so minute and positive in If he will not believe me I shall turn him over to Mr. Hickman who hath in several Tracts particularly concerned himself in this Argument and may be supposed to understand it He in his Latin Sermon De Haeresium origine 1659. pag. 37. undertaking to answer Tilenus about the Doctrine of our Church concerning the Object of Predestination whether massa corrupta or no saith Apage nugas Non solet Ecclesia Anglicana in mysteriis hujusmodi explicandis vagari in eas quaestiones quae nimia subtilitate popularem captum effugiunt Is it about the special Grace of God in the conversion of a Sinner or the influence of the Holy Spirit in it Then I will dare him to produce any that are herein Nonconformists to the Doctrine of the Church of England and that teach That there is no special Grace exerted in the conversion of a Sinner or That the Holy Ghost is of no further use in the conversion of Men than as he first inspired those that delivered the Doctrine of Christianity c. as he slanderously doth say He may force and scrue and wrest but he cannot do it honestly and fairly But supposing there were several that did thus teach and that such Books were Licensed where this is affirmed Doth this presently make the Church Heretical Notwithstanding this I believe that the Church of England is in it self as Orthodox as theirs was in 1646. when Shlichtingius his Comment on the Hebrews or what was little better came out thus attested by Mr. J. Downame I have perused this Comment and finding it to be learned and judicious plain and very profitable I allow it to be printed and published I doubt they would have taken it very ill to have been then charged with Socinianism because that Book came out with such an Imprimatur from him that was deputed in those Times to give it And yet I never heard that Mr. Downame was corrected or ejected for so doing And may they continue Orthodox notwithstanding and we for such an escape be counted Heretical But how far a Church is concerned in such Cases I think will appear from what is said in The Divine Right of the Presbyterial Government pag. 265. The Church of Rome setting aside those particular Persons among them that maintained damnable Errors which were not of the Church but a predominant Faction in the Church continued to be a true Church of Christ until Luther's time as the unanimous consent of the Orthodox Divines confess yea as some think till the cursed Council of Trent till when the Errors among them were not the Errors of the Church but of particular Men. Now I hope they will be as favourable to us and give our Church as much allowance in this case as that of Rome and not count it the Error of the Church till by some Decree Canon or Article it is owned so to be Sir You may by this time perceive how hard these Persons are put to it when it makes them so quick to espy and busie to rake all the dirt they can together to make our Church deformed and worthy of all that defamation they have branded it with and of that distance they observe and keep from it How do they torture Phrases hale along Expressions whithout due Process to the
the Church causing sad thoughts of heart pag. 67. Mr. Jenkin It 's opposite to the Edification of the Church Division of Tongues hindred the building of Babel and doubtless Division in Hearts Tongues Hands and Heads must needs hinder the building of Jerusalem While Parties are contending Churches and Common-wealths suffer In troublous times the Walls and Temple of Jerusalem went but slowly on pag. 27. Mr. Brinsley The Church is hereby hindred in the Edification of it We know what it was that hindred the building of Babel even a Schism in their Tongues division of Languages And surely there is no one thing that can more hinder the building of Jerusalem when Christians shall be divided in their Heads Hearts Tongues Hands As it is in Civil Wars whilst the Parties are contending the Commonwealth suffers The Wall and Temple of Jerusalem went slowly on in troublous Times pag. 21. Mr. Jenkin When Church-Members are put out of joynt they are made unserviceable and unfit to perform their several Offices They who were wont to joyn in Prayer Sacraments and Fasting and were ready to all mutual Offices of Love are now fallen off from all pag. 28. Mr. Brinsley Members of the Church being put out of joynt by Schism become unuseful to the Body unapt to those Duties and Services which before they performed How is it that those who were wont to joyn with the Churches in Hearing Prayer Sacraments and were so ready to all mutual Offices of Love are now fallen off from all pag. 67. Mr. Jenkin Our Separation from Rome was not before all means were used for the cure and reformation of the Romanists by the discovery of their Errours that possibly could be thought of notwithstanding all which though some have been enforced to an acknowledgement of them they still obstinately persist in them Our famous godly and learned Reformers would have healed Babylon but she is not healed Many skilful Physicians have had her in hand but she grew so much the worse In stead of being reclaimed they anathematized them with the dreadfullest Curses excommunicated yea murdered and destroyed multitudes of those who endeavoured their reducement not permitting any to trade buy or sell to have either Religious or Civil Communion with them except they received the Beasts Mark in their Hands and Foreheads All which considered we might safely forsake her Since in stead of healing Babylon we could not be preserved from her destroying of us we did deservedly depart from her and every one go into his own Country and unless we had done so we could not have obeyed the clear Precept Apoc. 18. Come out of her my people pag 29 30. Mr. Brinsley Our Separation was necessitated through their obstinacy in their Errors which notwithstanding the discovery of them and that so clear as that some of their own have been enforced to an acknowledgement of them and all ways and means used for their Reformation they still persist in What then remains but a cutting off We would have healed Babylon but she is not healed What then followeth Forsake her and let us go every one to his own Country How many Physicians have had her in hand Luther c. and the rest of our pious Reformers but all to no purpose We were enforced she not permitting any to trade buy or sell to have either Religious or Civil Communion with her except they receive her Mark in their Hands and Foreheads But on the other hand anathematizing them These things considered let God and the World be judge whether our Separation from them be voluntary Not unjust being warranted by Authority of Scripture commanding this separation Come out of her my People Rev. 18. 4. pag. 27 28. Mr. Jenkin To separate from Congregations where the Word of Truth and Gospel of Salvation are held out in an ordinary way as the Proclamations of Princes are held forth upon Pillars to which they are affixed where the Light of Truth is set up as it were upon a Candlestick to guide Passengers to Heaven to separate from them to whom belong the Covenants and where the Sacraments the Seals of the Covenant are for substance rightly dispensed where Christ walketh in the midst of his golden Candlesticks and discovereth his presence in his Ordinances whereby they are made effectual to the conversion and edification of Souls in an ordinary way where the Members are Saints by a professed subjection to Christ where there are sundry who in the judgement of Charity may be conceived to have the work of Grace really wrought in their hearts by walking in some measure answerable to their Profession I say to separate from these as those with whom Church Communion is not to be held is Schismatical pag. 31 32. Mr. Brinsley Are not our Congregations true Churches What are not here the Pillars of Truth Is not the Word of Truth the Gospel of Salvation here held forth and that in an ordinary and constant way even as the Edicts and Proclamations of Princes are wont to be held forth by Pillars to which they are affixed where the Light of Gods Truth is set up and held forth for the guiding of passengers in the way to Eternal Life Are not here the golden Candlesticks where the Seals of Gods Covenant the Sacraments of the New Testament are for substance rightly dispensed where there is the presence of Christ in the midst of his Ordinances so as in an ordinary way they are made effectual to the conversion and salvation of many where Christ sitteth walketh in the midst of his golden Candlesticks where there are Societies of visible Saints all such by outward profession and a considerable part of them walking in measure answerable to that profession can it be questioned where these are whether there be true Churches of Christ pag. 29 30. Mr. Jenkin The voluntary and unnecessary Separation from a true Church is Schismatical pag. 31. Mr. Brinsley Schism is a voluntary and unwarrantable Separation from a true Church pag. 23. Mr. Jenkin Pretences for Separation are alledged frequently and most plausibly Mixt Communion and of admitting into Church-fellowship the vile with the precious and those who are Chaff and therefore ought not to lodge with the Wheat Mr. Brinsley Sinful mixtures are tolerated among you There is not that due separation of the Wheat from the Chaff the precious from the vile but all sorts are admitted Mr. Jenkin Answ 1. Not to insist upon what some have urged viz. That this hath been the Stone at which most Schismaticks have stumbled and the pretence which they have of old alledged as is evident in the examples of the Audaeans Novatians Donatists Anabaptists Broâ—nists pag 33. Mr. Brinsley Answ 1. I might here mind them That this hath been the common Stock whereupâ—n Schism hath been usually grafted the common pretence taken up by all Schismaticks the Novatians Audaeans Donatists from the same Root sprung that later Schism of the Anabaptists It was the same Stone at which Brown
and his Followers first stumbled pag. 37 38 39. Mr. Jenkin 2. Let them consider whether the want of reforming abuses proceed not from some unhappy obstructions in the exercise of Discipline rather than from the allowance of the Church Mr. Brinsley What though there are some failings in the execution through some unhappy obstructions in the exercise of Discipline yet cannot the Church stand charged with them pag. 40. Mr. Jenkin 3. Let them consider whether when they separate from Sinful mixtures the Church be not at that very time purging out those Sinful mixtures pag. 33. Mr. Brinsley Consider the manner in separating at such a time in a time of Reformation What separate from a reforming Church pag. 51 52. Mr. Jenkin Hath not God his Churâ—h even wâ—â—re corruption of Manners hath crâ—pt into a Church iâ— purity of Doctrine be maintained And is sepâ—ration from that Church lawful from which God doth not separate pag. 34. Mr. Brinsley Suppose there may be some nay many just Scandals amongst us by reason of corruption of manners yet is not this a sufficient ground of separation from a Church wherein there is purity of Doctrine pag. 50. Mr. Brinsley How dare any forsake that Church which God hath not forsaken p. 59. Mr. Jenkin Let them consider whether God hath made private Christians Stewards in his House to determine whether those with whom they communicate are fit Members of the Church or not or rather whether it be not their duty when they discover Tares in the Church in stead of separating from it to labour that they may be found good Corn that so when God shall come to gather his Corn in to his Garner they may not be thrown out Church-Officers are Ministerially betrusted with the ordering of the Church and for the opening and shutting of the Doors of the Churches Communion by the Keys of Doctrine and Discipline and herein if they shall be either hindred or negligent private Christians shall not be intangled in the guilt of their Sin p. 34 35. Mr. Brinsley God hath not made all private Christians Stewards nor yet Surveyors in his House so as that every one should take an exact notice of the conditions of all those whom they hold Communion with who are fit to be members of the Church and who not It is Cyprian's counsel What though there be some Tares discovered in the Church yet let us for our parts labour that we may be found good Corn that so when God shall come to gather his Crop into his Garner we may not be cast out Ministerially the Church-Officers whom Christ hath betrusted with the ordering of the Church them he hath made the Porters in his House for the opening and shutting the doors of the Churches Communion by the keys of Doctrine and Discipline Now in this case if either their hands be tied by any humane restrictions or if through negligence they let loose the Rains how private Christians should be entangled in the guilt of that sin it cannot be conceived pag. 414. Mr. Jenkin The Command not to eat with a Brother c. 1 Cor. 5. 11. concerns not Religious but Civil Communion by a voluntary familiar intimate Conversation either in being invited or inviting pag. 35. Mr. Brinsley That which Paul prohibits there is not properly a Religious but a Civil Communion not to mingle themselves with such scandalous Livers by a voluntary familiar and intimate Conversation in an ordinary way repairing to their Tables or inviting them to yours Mr. Jenkin Now though such Civil eating was to be forborn yet it follows not at all much less much more that Religious eating is forbidden Because Civil eating is arbitrary and unnecessary not so Religious which is enjoyned and a commanded Duty pag. 36. Mr. Brinsley If we may not have Civil much less Religious Communion Ans Not so neither inasmuch as the one is arbitrary and voluntary the other a necessary Communion pag. 45. Mr. Jenkin It should be our care to prevent Separation To this end 1. Labour to be progressive in the work of Mortification pag. 38. Mr. Brinsley How shall this Vnity be attained 1. To this end labour after new hearts Mr. Jenkin 2. Admire no Mans Person This caused the Corinthian Schism Take heed of Man-worship Mr. Brinsley How may Schism be prevented 6. Take heed of having the Persons of Men in admiration This occasioned all those Divisions in the Church of Corinth Take we heed how we look too much at Men. p. 59. Mr. Jenkin 3. Labour for Experimental benefit by the Ordinances Find the setting up of Christ in your hearts by the Ministry and then you will not dare to account it Antichristian If with Jacob we could say of our Bethels God is here we would set up Pillars Mr. Brinsley 4. Labour to see and acknowledge God in our Congregations Now if he be here how dare any withdraw When Jacob apprehended God present with him at Bethel Surely the Lord is in this place he sets up his Pillar there Have we met with him why do we not set up our Pillar here pag. 58. Mr. Jenkin 4. Neither give nor receive Scandals Give them not to occasion others to separate nor receive them to occasion thy own Separation Construe doubtful matters charitably Look not upon Blemishes with Multiplying-glasses or old Mens Spectacles Hide them though not imitate them Sport not your selves with others nakedness Mr. Brinsley 3. Take heed of Scandals whether of giving or receiving Of giving to drive off others of receiving to set off our selves Doubtful matters still construe them on the better part So doth Charity not looking upon Blemishes with Multiplying or Magnifying-glasses So far as may be without sin hide them Cursed Cham espies the nakedness of his Father and makes sport with it pag. 56. Mr. Jenkin 5. Be not much taken with Novelties New-Lights have set this Church on fire For the most part they are taken out of the Dark-Lanthorns of old Hereticks They are false and Fools-fires to lead Men into the Precipice of Separation Love Truth in an old dress let not Antiquity be a prejudice against nor Novelty an inducement to the entertainment of Truth Mr. Brinsley 2. Be not over-affected with Novelties As for those New-Lights which have set this Kingdom on fire at this day for the most part they are no other than what have been taken out of the Dark-Lanthorns of former Hereticks no other but ignes fatui false fires useful onely to mislead Tr th is lovely and ought to be embraced in whatever dress she cometh whether new or old As not Antiquity so neither should Novelty be any prejudice to Verity Mr. Jenkin 6. Give not way to lesser differences A little division will soon rise up to a greater Small Wedges make way for bigger Our hearts are like to Tinder a little spark will enflame them Be jealous of your hearts Paul and Barnabas separated about a small matter the taking of an Associate pag. 40 c. Mr. Brinsley 1. Take heed of lesser divisions Small Wedges make way for great ones Small differences sometimes rise to Divisions pag. 57. Mr. Brinsley 4. Bâ— jealous over our own heâ—rts they being like unto Tinder ready to take fire by the least spark It was no great matter that Paul and Barnabas differed vpon onely about the taking of an Associate pag. 71 c. Now Sir by this you may perceive how some Men do make their Books and Sermons and by what ways a Man may rise to the reputation of being a considerable Author he may cull and pick pilfer and steal and become Learned to a miracle an excellent Preacher and write even to a Folio and if he had but the Art of keeping men from poring into neglected Authors and prying into Books that are cast into corners might pass as such But as long as what is forgotten in one Age is revived in another and as long as it is become a Trade to collect Pamphlets I would advise your Friend to be more wary for the future and keep from writing a Folio and a Comment again And now Sir it is high time for me to conclude to whom it is no pleasure to deal in such a way and to converse with those kind of Books that you see my Design hath put me upon It is Charity to you and the World that hath led me along and I hope I have so managed it as shall be to the offence of none but those that are Enemies to Truth I am sure I have so much avoided all that might exasperate that I have for that reason cast aside Leaves of what some others might be tempted to have taken in If Mr. Jenkin hath been hardly dealt with he must thank himself who 〈◊〉 without provocation defamed others could not be suffered to run away with that out-cry which he hath made without a just Rebuke I am SIR Your Servant S. R. FINIS ADVERTISEMENT The RIGHT of TYTHES Asserted and Proved from Divine Institution Primitive Practice Voluntary Donations and Positive Laws With a Just Vindication of that Sacred Maintenance from the Cavils of Thomas Elwood in his Pretended Answer to the Friendly Conference Printed for E. Croft at the Seven Stars in Little Lumbard-street
or negligent private Christians shall not be intangled in the guilt of their Sin if they be humbled and use all lawful means for remedy though they do Communicate 6. Let them search Whether there be any Scripture-warrant to break off Communion with any Church when there is no defect in the Ordinances themselves onely upon this ground because some are admitted to them who because of their personal miscarriages ought to be debarred The Jews of old though they separated when the Worship if self was corrupted 2 Chron. 11. 14 16. yet not because wicked men were suffered to be in outward Communion with them Jer. 7. 9 10. Nor do the Precepts or Patterns of the Christian Churches for casting out of Offenders give any liberty to separation in case of failing to cast them out and though the suffering of scandalous Persons be blamed yet not the Communicating with them The Command not to eat with a Brother who is a fornicator or covetous c. 1 Cor. 5. 11. concerns not Religious but Civil Communion by a voluntary familiar intimate Conversation either in being invited or inviting as is clear by these two Arguments 1. That Eating which is here forbidden with a Brother is allowed to be with an Heathen But it 's the Civil Eating which is onely allowed to be with an Heathen Therefore it 's the Civil Eating which is forbidden to be with a Brother 2. The Eating here forbidden is for the punishment of the nocent not for a punishment to the innocent Now though such Civil Eating was to be forborn yet it follows not at all much less much more that Religious Eating is forbidden 1. Because Civil Eating is arbitrary and unnecessary not so Religious which is enjoyned and a commanded Duty 2. There is danger of being infected by the wicked in civil familiar and arbitrary Eatings not so in joyning with them in an holy and commanded Service and Ordinance 3. Civil Eating is done out of love to the Party inviting or invited but Religious is done out of love to Jesus Christ were it not for whom we would neither eat at Sacrament with wicked men nor at all To conclude this Separation from Churches from which Christ doth not separate is Schismatical Now it 's clear in the Scripture that Christ owneth Churches where Faith is found for the substance and their Worship Gospel-worship though there be many defects and sinful mixtures among them And what I have said concerning the Schismaticalness of separation because of the sinful mixtures of those who are wicked in practice is as true concerning separation from them who are erroneous in judgment if the Errours of those from whom the separation is made be not Fundamental and hinder Communion with Christ the Head And much more clear if clearer can be is the Schismaticalness of those who separate from and renounce all Communion with those Churches which are not of their own manner of constitution and modell'd according to the Platform of their own particular Church-order To refrain Fellowship and Communion with such Churches who profess Christ their Lord whose Faith is sound whose Worship is Gospel-worship whose Lives are holy because they come not into that particular way of Church-Order which we have pitch'd upon is a Schismatical rending of the Church of Christ to pieces Of this the Church of Rome are most guilty who do most plainly 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 and circumscribe and bound the Church of Christ within the Limits and Boundaries of the Roman Jurisdiction even so as that they cast off all Churches in the World yea and cut them off from all hópe of Salvation who subject not themselves to their way Herein likewise those Separatists among our selves are heinously faulty who censure and condemn all other Churches though their Faith Worship and Conversation be never so Scriptural meerly because they are not gathered into Church-order according to their own Patterns In Scripture Churches are commended and dignified according as their fundamental Faith was sound and their Lives holy not according to the regularity of their first manner of gathering And notwithstanding the exactest regularity of their first gathering when Churches have once apostatized from Faith and Manners Christ hath withdrawn Communion from them And this making of the first gathering of People into Church-fellowship to be the Rule to direct us with whom we may hold Communion will make us refuse some Churches upon whom are seen the Scripture-characters of true Churches and joyn with others onely upon an Humane testimony because Men onely tell us they were orderly gathered Obs ult It should be our care to shun Separation To this end 1. Labour to be progressive in the work of Mortification The less carnal we are the less contention and division will be among us Are ye not carnal saith the Apostle and he proves it from their divisions Separation is usually but very absurdly accounted a sign of an high-grown Christian We wrangle because we are Children and are men in malice because children in holiness Wars among our selves proceed from the lusts that war in our members James 4. 1. 2. Admire no Mans Person The excessive regarding of some makes us despise others in respect of them When one Man seems a Gyant another will seem a Dwarf in comparison of him This caused the Corinthian Schism Take heed of Man-worship as well as Image-worship Let not Idolatry be changed but abolish'd Of this largely before upon having mens persons in admiration 3. Labour for experimental benefit by the Ordinances Men separate to those Churches which they account better because they never found those where they were before to them good Call not Ministers good as the young man in the Gospel did Christ complementally onely for if so you will soon call them bad Find the setting up of Christ in your Hearts by the Ministry and then you will not dare to account it Antichristian If with Jacob we could say of our Bethels God is here we would set up Pillars nay be such for our constancy in abiding in them 4. Neither give nor receive Scandals Give them not to occasion others to separate nor receive them to occasion thy own separation Watch exactly construe doubtful matters charitably Look not upon Blemishes with Multiplying-glasses or old Mens Spectacles Hide them though not imitate them Sport not your selves with others nakedness Turn separation from into lamentation for the Scandalous 5. Be not much taken with Novelties New-Lights have set this Church on fire For the most part they are taken out of the Dark-Lanthorns of old Hereticks They are false and Fools-fires to lead Men into the Precipice of Separation Love Truth in an old dress let not Antiquity be a prejudice against nor Novelty an inducement to the entertainment of Truth 6. Give not way to lesser differences A little division will soon rise up to greater Small Wedges make way for bigger Our Hearts are like to Tinder a little Spark will enflame them Be