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A10834 A iust and necessarie apologie of certain Christians, no lesse contumeliously then commonly called Brownists or Barrowists. By Mr. Iohn Robinson, pastor of the English Church at Leyden, first published in Latin in his and the churches name over which he was set, after translated into English by himself, and now republished for the speciall and common good of our own countrimen; Apologia justa et necessaria quorundum Christianorum, aeque contumeliose ac communiter, dictorum Brownistarum sive Barrowistarum. English Robinson, John, 1575?-1625. 1625 (1625) STC 21108; ESTC S102955 59,722 74

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Church of England THere remains one and that a great matter of exception against us and the same the fountain well nigh of all our calamitie to wit that we seem evill-affected towards the church of England and so averse from the same as that we do no lesse then make a plain secession and separation from it I answer First that our fayth is not negative as Papists use to object to the Euangelicall churches nor which consists in the condemning of others and wipeing their names out of the bead-●oul of churches but in the edifying of our selvs neither require we of anie of ours in the confession of their fayth that they either renounce or in one word contest with the church of England whatsoever the world clamours of us this way Our faith is founded upon the writings of the prophets and Apostles in which ●o mention of the church of England is made We deem it our dutie what is found in them to beleev with the heart to righteousnes and to confesse with the tongue to salvation Secondly we accord as far as the Belgick and other Reformed churches with the Church of England in the Articles of faith and heads of Christian religion published in the name of that church and to be found in the Harmonie of the Confessions of fayth Thirdly if by the Church be understood the Catholick Church dispersed upon the face of the whole earth we do willingly acknowledg that a singular part thereof and the same visible and conspicuous is to be found in the land and with it do professe and practise what in us layes communion in all things in themselvs lawfull and done in right order But and if by the word Church be understood a spirituall politick body such as was in her time the Church of Israell and in hers the church of Rome Corinth the seven churches of Asia and others with them partaking of the same Apostolicall constitution and as unto which do apperteyn the Oracles of God Sacraments Censures Government and ministerie ecclesiasticall with other sacred institutions of Christ I cannot but confesse and professe though with great greif that it is to us matter of scruple which we cannot overcome to give that honour unto it which is due from the servants of Christ to the Church of Christ rightly collected and constituted And that there may be place left in the eyes of the prudent Reader for our defence in this case so far forth as equitie and reason will permit he must once and again be intreated by me seriously to weigh with himself and in his heart this one advertizement following That a man may do a thing truely pleasing and acceptable to God it sufficeth not that both the door in his person be accepted of God the thing done commaunded by God and that he do it with good and holy affection before God except withall and first he be possessed of that state condition of life which may affoard him a lawfull calling to that work That a man though never so good with never so good a minde should exercise the office or do though the best works of a Magistrate father of famillie housband steward citizen or messenger except he were first lawfully called and preferred to the state of a Magistrate maister of sam●lie housband or the like so far were he from deserving anie praise for so doing as on the contrarie he most justly incur●ed the censure of great rashnes and violation of all order in familie and common wealth as taking unto himself that honour unto which he was not called of God The same houldeth and that specially in course of Religion which is the specially state of mans life so as if anie either as a Pastour dispence the holy things of the ministeriall Church without a lawfull pastorall calling going before or participate in the same out of a just and lawfull Church-state neither that dispensation nor this participation can be warranted but both the one and other are usurpations and in which is seen not the use but abuse of holy things and confusion of order And as it behoveth everie person first to beleev and know that he is truly a Christian and partaker of the grace of Christ before he can hope to please God in the performance of this or that particular Christian work so doth it also concern everie Christian to provide that he be first possessed of a just and lawfull Church-order before he so much as touch with his least finger the holy things of the Church thereunto proper and peculiar Proper I say peculiar amongst which I do not simpl●e reckon the hearing of the word which both lawfullie may and necessarily ought to be done not onely of Christians though members of no particular church but even of Infidels prophane persons excommunicates and any others as being that in which no communion spirituall passeth either ecclesiasticall or personall between the teacher heater but according to some union ecclesiasticall or personall going before seeing that Christian saith comes by hearing the gospell by faith union from union communion This thus prem sed I will speak a few things of the Church of England not by way of accusation of it but for our own purgation in the eyes of the godly and equall Reader of the imputed c●ime of Schism so far as truth and equitie will bear And first seeing that the people of God is materially as they speak the church of God it is required to the constitution of a holy Church of God that the people be holy or saints and sanctified i● Christ Iesus truely and internally in regard of God and their own consciences externally and in appearance in respect of others whom it concerns to discern and judg of them according to the word of God and rule of charitie And considering that our question is about the Church externall and visible as it is called we are not so fond or raitha● frant●ck as to require in respect of others other holynes in the members thereof then that which is visible and externall Now how marvaylous a thing is it and lamentable withall that amongst Christians anie should be found so far at ods with Christian holines as to think that others then apparently holy at the least deserved admittance into the fellowship of Christs church and therewith of Christ Do or can the grat●ous promises of God made to the Church the heavenly blessings due to the Church the seales of divine grace given to the Church apperteyn to others then such Are others to be admitted into the familie of God the kingdom of Christ and as it were the suburbs of heaven The Church of God is by him called and destinated to advance his glorie in the holynes of their lives and conversations what then have those to do with it or it with those who as Calvin saith live not but with Gods dishonour For they as the same author both truly and holily affirmeth
publiquely in the Church or privately in the family we refuse not by the grace of God bestowed upon frayl creatures labouring of the same humain infirmities with other men the search and censure of our most bitter adversaries if not destitute of all both honestie and wisdom Touching the reformed Churches what more shall I say We account them the true Churches of Iesus Christ and both professe practise communion with them in the holy things of God what in us lyeth their sermons such of ours frequent as understand the Dutch tongue the sacraments we do administer unto their known members if by occasion any of them be present with us their distractions and other evils we do seriously bewayl and do desire from the Lord their holy and firm peace But happily it wil be objected that we are not like-mynded with them in all things nor do approve of sundry practises in use amongst them if not by publique institution which it seems they want yet by almost universall consent and uniform custome I graunt it neither doubt I but that there are many godly and prudent men in the same churches who also dislike in effect the things which we doe and amongst other things this mal●part and unbridled bouldnes of unskilfull men who make it a very May-game to passe most rash censure upon the fayth and so by consequence upon the eternall salvation of their brethren and to impeach their credit whom they neither do nor perhaps willingly would know lest that which they lust to condemn unknown they should be constreyned to allow if they once knew it and withall to disallow that into which they themselvs haue been led formerly by common errour of the times Which maladie is also so frequent and ordinarie as that it may truely be said of many that they then think themselus most acceptable unto God when they can make their brethren differing from them in some smaller matters most odious unto men This rageing plague except the Lord God in mercie asswage and bend the mindes of godly and modest men the Ministers of his word to put to their helping hand that way it wi● without all doubt come to passe which God forbid that the multitude of Christians will come to judg of their estate with the Lo●● not so much by the christian vertues which themselvs indeed have as which they imagine others want But that it may appear unto thee Christian Reader wherein 〈◊〉 do dissent from the Dutch reformed Churches and upon wha● grounds and that none may take occasion of suspicion that the things are either greater or more absurd for which those hateful● Brownists are had by many in such detestation then indeed an● truth they are I will breifly as I can present unto thy christian vei● either all or the most our greatest differences with the ground● thereof CHAP. I. Of the largenes of Churches AND first it is evident that the most especially cittie-churches are so great and populous as that two or three dive● temples are not sufficient for one and the same Church to meet● at once We on the contrarie so judg that no particular churc● under the New Testament ought to consist of more members the● can meet together in one place because 1. The Holy Scriptures speaking definitely of the politicall or ministeriall commonly called visible church instituted by Christ and his Apostles by his power understand none other then on● congregation convening and comming together ordinarie at least in one place Math. 18 17 20. gathered together in my name wi●● 1 Corinth 5 4. when you are come together Act. 2 44. Al● that beleeved were together and chap. 5 12. They were all with one accord in Salomons porch Also chap. 6 2 5. and chap. 13 1 2. with ●4 27. and 14 23. with Tit. 1 5. Act. 15 4 22 25. and 21 22. So 1 Corinth 11 20. when yee therefore come together in one to wit place not minde as some conceipt for from that the Corinthians were to far and lastly chap. 14 23. If the whole church come together into some place 2. There is then had the most full and perfit communion of the body in the holy things of God which is the next and immediate end of the visible Church when all the members thereof do convene and assemble together in some one place And if nature as Philosophers teach ever intend that which is most persit much more grace Now that the church commonly called visible is then most truely visible indeed when it is assembled in one place and the communion thereof then most full and intire when all its members inspired as it were with the same presence of the holy ghost do from the same Pastor rec●av the same provocations of grace at the same time and in the same place when they all by the same voice banding as it were together do with one accord pour out their prayers unto God when they all participate of one and the same holy bread and lastly when they all together consent unanimously either in the choice of the same officer or censuring of the same offender no man admitting a due thought of things can make doubt of 3. We have the Apostle Paul giving it in charge to the Elders of everie particular Church as was that of Ephesus that they take heed unto al the flock whereof the holy ghost made them Bishops or overseers to feed the church of God which he hath purchased with his own blood But surely as that flock is verie inordinate if not monstrous which for the largenes thereof neither ever doth nor possibly can feed together so that sheepheard of the Lords flock seemeth not aright and as he ought to fulfill his charge which doth not at the least everie Lords day minister unto the same the wholesom food of Gods word Ad hereunto that in these huge and vast flocks the governers cannot take knowledg of the manners of the people private or publick no nor so much as of their presence at or absence from the church assemblies whereby what domage cometh unto true pietie any man may easily conjecture and miserable experience makes too too manifest in the reformed Churches I conclude therefore since as Iunius sayth it concerneth the Pastour throughly to know the church committed unto him the persons their works and courses without the knowledg of which things he shall profit them no more then a tincking cymball c. that it were a point of good provision both for the conscience of the officers and edification of the people that a division were made of the cittie-churches which by continuall accession of members are thus grown out of kinde into different and distinct congregations under their certain and distinct Pastours and Elders If any object that there is one visible and catholick Church comprehending as the parts thereof all the particular Churches and severall congregations of divers places as there is one Ocean
If reply be made that the fourth commandement is so ceremoniall that notwithstanding it hath this morall in it that some tyme be assigned and taken for the publique ministerie and exercises of religion I answer 1. That the same may be said in generall of the Mosaicall ceremonies whatsoever all and everie one whereof affoardeth something morall For instance The Mosaicall Temple or Tabernacle had this morall in it and perteyning to us as well as to the Israelites that it was a fit and convenient place for the Church assembly Is therefore the precept for the tabernacle as well morall as that for the Sabboth Is it alike a part of the decalogue and morall law Is it alike one of the ten Commandements 2. If the morall sanctification of the Sabboth stand in this that sometime be assigned to the publique ministerie then were the Israelites especially the preists and Levites bound to an everie day sabboth and sanctification morall being bound everie day to offer in the tabernacle and temple two young lambs the one at morning the other at evening for a daylie sacrifice 3. If the second precept of the Decalogue do in the affirmative part injoyn all outward instituted worship of God then also by consequence it requi●es some set time as a naturall circumstance absolutely necessarie to everie finite action in which the same worship is to be performed In va●n then is the fourth commandement and to no purpose if it injoyn nothing at all but that which was injoyned before namely in the second 4. The verie essence of the fourth commaundment consists in this that a day of seaven be kept holy that is separated from common use and consecrated to God in wh●ch as in a holy day the works of divine worship and such as serve for the spirituall man ought to be exercised as appears plainly by the reason taken from Gods example upon which the commandement is founded Take this away and the life of the precept seemeth to suffer violence The truly godly take some tyme for the exercises of Gods worship not onely publique and Ecclesiasticall but private also and domesticall yea in their closets as Christ teacheth Yet are not these either times or places in which such things are done then others ar● Eyther therefore a day in it self must be holy by divine institution or the Decalogue is may●ed in the fourth commandement But you will doubtlesse object the change made from the last daie to the first day of the week I answer 1. that change is mee●ly circumstantiall in which also the essence of the precept i● not abolished but established As for example God promised unto children duly honouring their parents a long life in that land to wit of Canaan then to be possessed by his people which the Lord thy God gave unto them The same promise by the Apostles testimonie still stands good to obedient children though out of Canaan and in another land so doth the same precept stand in force for the sanctification of the sabboth though removed to another of the seven dayes by the Lords hand 2. It is evident that this alteration was made both upon weightie ground and warrantable authoritie The ground is Christ our Saviours resurrection from the dead in wh●ch mans new creation at least in respect of Christ working the same in the state of humiliation for that ●nd undertaken was perfeited a new kinde of kingdome of God after a sort established and as the Scriptures speak all things made new And why not also a new sabboth after a sort in which yet notwithstanding the former as ●he creation also by Christ● is not so properly abolished as perfited The authoritie upon which this change lea●eth is no lesse then of Christ himself who first by word of mouth for the fortie dayes after his resurrection taught the disciples the things which apperteyned to the kingdom of God that is as Calvin saith whatsoever things they published either by word or writing afterward 2. By his example or fact setting himself in the middest of the same his Apostles the first day of the week and as Iunius saith everie eigth day till his ascension into heaven therein not onely blessing them with his bodily but much more with his spirituall and that speciall presence 3. By his spirit speaking in his Apostles whose office it was to teach his disciples to observ what things soever he had commanded them and to declare unto them the whole counsail of God who also in their whole ministration were to be reputed none other then the ministers of Christ and lastly whose both writing preachings accordingly even about order and comlines to be kept in the church exercises were the commandements of the Lord Iesus Agreable hereunto it was that the Apostle Paul coming to Troa● and there with his companie abid●ng seven dayes he did not till the first day of the week which yet was the last of the seven call together the a●sciples to eat bread that is to communicate in the Lords supper Hereupon also it was that the same Apostle ordeyned that on everie first day of the week as on a day sanctified for the holie assemblies and ●ttest for most effectuall provocations to the supplying of the necessities of the poore Saints everie one of the richer sort should lay something apart as God had blessed him for the releif of the Churches in Syria at that tyme oppressed with great penurie and want Lastly upon none other ground but this was this day by Iohn the Apostle named expresly the Lords day as being consecrated to the resurrection and service of the Lord Iesus for which end also it was kept in the primitive Churches as appeareth by most ancient and authentick writers Neyther did Pathmos more distinctly denote a certain and known Iland and Iohn a certain and known person then did the Lords day a day certain and known especially unto Christians unto whom the Apostle wrote Whereunto also agreeth that of Austin This Lords day is therefore so called because on that day the Lord rose again or that by the verie name i● might teach us how it ought to be consecrated to the Lord. The second reason is because the sanctification of the Sabboth the circumstantiall change notwithstanding doth as well belong to us in our times as to the Israelites in theirs whether we respect the Reason of the commandement or the end The reason is taken from the example of God himself who rested the seventh day from the works of creation The ends are 1 that we framing our selvs to Gods example after six daies spent in servile works or works of acquisition might rest the seaventh 2. That we might recount with our selvs not onely with thankfull but also composed hearts as the creation of man and of all other things for mans good so also his re-creation renovation clearly shineing in the resurrection of Christ from
Christ Math. 24 20. Pray that your flight be not in winter nor on the Sabboth I am not ignorant how the most divines both ancient and later do understand this sermon as Chrisostom saith as made of the Iewes seeing that as the same authour hath it neither the Apostles did observ the Sabboth day neither yet were they in Iudea when these things were done of the Romans many of them having departed this life and the rest if anie survived having bestowed themselvs in other places But with due reverence to them all be it spoken it seemeth by the text to be otherwise For 1. Christ made not this sermon to the Iewes as Iewes but to his disciples and those alone and the same comming unto him secretly to be taught by him whom he forewarned in the same place how that first at the hands of the Iewes in Iudea and after of the Gentiles every where they should be evill intreated for his names sake v. 3 4 9. 25 26. with Luke 21. 12. Secondly our Saviour in saying Pray ye makes it plain that that he speaks of them and their associates unto whom he speakes to wit Christians Lastly how could it be that Christ who by his death now drawing so neare as that there was but a step unto it was to abrogate and abolish all Iewish ceremonies and shadowes should to carefully provide for the so religious observation of a shadowish and ceremoniall sabboth and that not for a day or two but for so many yeares after the same his death Could anie thing more weightie be spoken by Christ or which could more deeply imprint in the hearts of men a religious regard of the Sabboth then that it behooved them to obte●n by prayer at Gods hands that they might not be const●eined unto that thing although permitted them of God in case of urgent necessitie which might violate and interrupt the publique and solemn sanctification thereof It is true then which Chrisostome saith that the Apostles did not observ the Sabboth to wit Iewish but the Christian Sabboth o● Lords day they did undoubtedly celebrate The fift and last Reason may be fetcht from the verie Gentiles themselvs who directed by the glimps of the light of nature how darkly soever shineing in them had their holy daies and some of the same such as in which not so much as the pleading and determining of suites were admitted It seemeth naturall that some day and morall that some day certain and distinct be sacred unto God and the same as Iunius saith every seaventh day in which men forbearing all servile works may consecrate and give themselvs to God in the duties of pietie and of charitie to men Which with what hinderance unto the one and other is everie where neglected can scarse either be uttered or conceaved For what tra●va●l if upon the overslipping of the most seasonable seed-time a slender harvest follow or that the market day being neglected penu●ie of provision should be found in the family We christ an● have the Lords day by the Lord Christ assigned us for the exercises of pietie and mercie in which he offers and exhibits h●rself in the fruits of his gracious presence in a singular manner to be seen and injoyed of his religiously observing the same Let us at no hand as alike unmindfull of Gods ordinance and mans infirmitie suffer the fruit of such a benefit to dy in our hands but let us accordingly acknowledg the same in thought word and work to his honour and our own good CHAP. VIII Of the exercise of Prophecie THere are they whose names I forbear for their credits sake who have not spared and that in their publique writings to lay to our charge that we will needs have all and everie member of the Church a Prophet and to prophesie publiquely With what mindes they let loose their tongues to utter these and manie mo most false and absurde vituperies against us we leav it to God to judg who knoweth with what conscience and desert of credit therein unto thee Christian Reader into whose hands this our Apologie shall come We learn from the Apostle Paul 1 Cor. 14 3. that he who prophesieth speaketh unto men to edification exhortation comfort which to perform conveniently and as becomes the church-assemblie we make account comes within the compasse but of a few of the multitude happily two or three in each of our churches considering their weak and depressed estate Touching prophesie then we think the verie same that the Synode held at Embden 1571 hath decreed in these words 1. In all churches whether but springing up or grown to s●me ripenes let the order of prophesie be observed according to Pauls institution 2. Into the fellowship of this work are to be admitted not onely the ministers but the teachers too as also of the Elders and Deacons yea even of the multitude which are willing to confir their gift receaved of God to the common utilitie of the Church but so as they first be allowed by the judgment of the ministers And as the Apostle somet●mes said We beleev and therefore we speak so because we beleev with the Belgick churches that this exercise is to be observed in all congregations therefore we also observ it in ours Of this our both faith practise we have these amongst other speciall foundations The first we fetch from the examples in the Iewish church where libertie both for teaching and disputing publiquely both in temple and synagogue was freely given to all gifted accordingly without respect had to any office If any object that the examples of Christ and the Apostles in this case are incompetent seeing that Christ was furnished with his own and the Apostles with his authoritie he alledgeth that which is true in it self but to small purpose considering we lay not our foundation in this that Christ and his Apostles so d●d but in that libertie so to do was alwaies and in all places graunted sometimes offered them This libertie they obteyned not by the authoritie of Christ which the Rulers of the Synagogues Temple no more acknowledged then they did Christ himself but by the order then receaved and still continued to this day amongst the Iewes that they whom with the Scriptures they call wise men without all regard of publique office having any word of exhortation to the people should say on as we have it written Act. 13 23. Whereunto ●ad that divers of them in whom we instance were furnished with no such authoritie specially from Christ. The second we take from the Apostle Paul 1 Cor. 14 where to the full he informeth the church at Corinth of the order of that exercise which they had formerly violated Which whole order according to Bezaj is apparently taken from the receaved custom in the Iewish Synagogues Which custom saith Peter Martyr seeing it was of ●uld both good and laudable in the synagogues of the
nature of the principall For example Let the principall as they speak be some naturall good thing the verie least accessorie or circumstance by which this principall is rightly and orderly furthered and promoted undergoes also the consideration of a naturall good The same rule houlds in actions civill much more in the things which appertein to religion and Gods worship I therefore conclude that the least ●ite or ceremonie serving rightly and orderly to further the principall act and exercise of religion doth worthily obteyn after a sort the respect and denomination of a religious and ecclesiasticall good thing which principall act if it do not truely and effectually promote and advance it is a vain addition at the best beseeming onely vain purposes and persons which worship God in vain teaching for doctrines mens traditions seeing whatsoever is to be done in the church is also and first to be taught that so it may be done 2. Whatsoever hath being in nature is some certain thing first and properly and to be reduced to some certain and distinct head Now all things whatsoever in use either in or about Gods worship may and must be referred necessarilie to some one of these three heads Eyther they are things naturall and simplie necessarie to the exercise of which sort are the naturall circumstances of time and place without which no finite action can be performed also for the administring of Baptism either a fonte or other vessell to hould water and so for other adjoints absolutely necessarie for the administring of the holy things of the Church or secondly they are things civill and comely as for example A convenient place in which the church may conveniently and comelily meet together not a stable or swynestye also that habit of the minister that coveting of the L. Table those ministring vessels and other accessories and appurt●nances whatsoever without which the holy things of God cannot be dispensed so ●●villy and comely as is meet Or lastly they are properly things sacred and holy and by consequence parts of externall divine worship and the same either commaunded by God and so lawfull or of mans devise therefore superst●t●ous Now if any shall further ask me what power then I ascribe eyther to the civill magistrate or Church-governors for mak●ng lawes about things indifferent I answer touching Church-governers first being to treat by and by of the Magistrate that no such power to speak properly belongs unto them as being not Lords but servants of the church under Christ the onely Lord thereof exercising as saith Austin from Christ and the Apostles a m●mb●●● not a Lordship and who therefore are to learn if ther will be c●ment with their 〈◊〉 Which 〈◊〉 them that a 〈◊〉 better becomes them then as●pter as Bernard speaketh For to ●●ake lawes by all mens graunt belongs to them and them onely who do swey ●●●pters 〈…〉 Lords 〈…〉 Moreover the holy scriptures everie where teach that the highest Church-officers and governers are but ambassadours of God and interpreters and proclaymers or cryers of his word But neither 〈…〉 nor interpreter nor cryer no nor the herald the most honourable of all proclaimers or publishers of Edicts can commaund any thing 〈◊〉 of the least matter by his own authoritie as lunius sayth rightly It is certain that the governers of Churches do stand in need of wisdom and discretion for the applying determining of the common rules of order and comlynes taken from the Scripture and common sense to certain cases and according to certain circumstances But what makes this for the power of making lawes in the Church which as M. Perkins makes account is a part of Christs prerogative royall considering withall that neyther the Church not the meanest member thereof is further bound unto these their determinations then they apper to agree with order and comlines neither are the ministers in any thing at all as are the magistrates in manie things to be obeyed for the authoritie of the commaunder but for the reason of the commaundment which the ministers are also bound in duetie to manifest approve unto the consciences of h●m over whom they are set CHAP. XI Of civill Magistrates VVE beleev the verie same touching the civill Magistrate with the Belgick reformed Churches and willingly subscribe to their confession and the more because what is by many restreyned to the Christian Magistrate they extend indefinitely and absolutely to the Magistrate whomsoever And that surely upon good ground seeing the magistracie is one the power the same whether the person be christian or heathen neither is there wanting in an heathen magistrate that he might rule as he ought authoritie of order but will of person neither is his power increased by the accession of christianitie but onely sanctified as is first his person The Prince rules over his subjects as he is a Prince and they subjects simply not as faithfull or christian he or they Onely Christ the Lord of our faith hath the faithfull as faithfull for his subjects neither are the subjects of Kings as subjects ●ame part of the church but of the kingdom Besides there is one and the same christian faith of the Prince and subject and all things common unto both which spring from the same seeing that in Christ Iesus there is neither servant nor freeman I ad neither magistrate nor subject but all are one in him As therefore none no not the least power of publique administrat on comes to the subjects by their christianitie to neither is the Princes thereby at all increased And indeed how can it The magistrate though●-Heathen hath power as the minister of God for the good of his subjects to command and procure in and by good and lawfull manner and means whatsoever apperteines either to their naturall or spirituall life so the same be not contrarie to Gods word upon which word of God if it beat God forbid that the christian magistrate should take libertie to use or rather abuse his authoritie for the same which yet if he do eyther the one or other whether by commanding what God forbids or by forbidding what God commaunds seeing it comes by the fault of the person not of the office the subject is not f●●ed from the bond of allegiance but as still tyed to obedience as active for the doing of the thing commanded if it be lawfull so passive if unlawfull by suffering patiently the punishment though unjustly inflicted Lastly if anie civill and coactive power in things whether civill or ecclesiasticall come to the magistrate by his christianity then if it so fall out that he make defection from the same whether by idolatrie or heresie or profanes it must follow that thereupon his kingly power is dim●nished and abridged whereby how wide a window or gate rather would be opened to sed●tions subjects under pretext specially catholick religion to taise tumults in kingdoms no man can be ignorant CHAP. XII Of the
at anie defiance with the persons of the Bishops much lesse with the kings civill authoritie whereof they are possessed whether in matters civill or ecclesiasticall Of their persons their own Lords shall judg to whom they stand or fall There have been of that ranke who in our Marian da●es have preferred the profession of the truth of the gospell before their lives I hope there are also of their successours who if pressed with the same necessitie which God forbid would give the same testimonie though at the same rate unto the same truth of God revealed unto them Now as concerning their civill authoritie albeit we do not beleev that the same is at all competent to the true ministers of the gospell especially in that eminencie externall glorie and pompe of this world in which they far exceed manie worldly princes and rayther seem to represent the tryumphant then the militant church yet for so much as they both obteyn the same by the gift of the king and exercise it in his name we do not unwillingly yeald honour and obedience unto it and to his majestie in it But whereas it seems unto manie plain and evident that we may adjoin our selvs to the Church of England without any subjection or relation unto the spirituall government and governers thereof that is altogether beyond our capacities neither can we comprehend it how it may be that he who subjects and joyns himself to anie publique and politique bodie or communitie whether spirituall or civil becomes not in so doing ipso facto subject to the publique government and governers thereof and undergoes not a relation and respect actually unto them They raither are with all seriousnes to consider how faythfully and sincerely they quit themselvs and their consciences before God and men who contending and proving in and by so manie words and arguments that the hierarchicall government is papall and Antichristian do neverthelesse submit themselvs thereunto both in the respect and relation politicall formerly mentioned and also in acts properly ecclesiasticall into which the ecclesiasticall government and spirituall policie of the church doth necessarily diffuse it self Now I do earnestly entreat thee whosoever thou art acquainted with Belgick or raither Christian libertie and either free from the mists of prejudice or if anie way prejudiced yet not chusing raither to serve a preconceaved opinion then to follow an apparent truth that thou wouldest truly ingenuously tell whether if the Magistrates here from which they are far should by publique edict under severe penaltie constreyn all and everie the native subjects of the countrie into the bosom of the church without anie difference made either in respect of fayth or manners according to the place of their habitation and should set over this church so collected and constituted an Hierarchicall Bishop provinciall or diocesan in whose hands alone with his Officials Chauncellours Commissaries Archdeacons and other Court-keepers canonicall authoritie should be placed to constitute and depose ministers excommunicate and absolve both ministers and people yea whole churches yea with the living the dead that they may obteyn Christian buriall whether now in this confused heap and under this spirituall Lordship thou wouldest endure to remain either Pastour or member I suppose not You brethren have not so learned Christ whom you acknowledg both for the author of your faith and instituter of your order ecclesiasticall Neyther yet we having learned otherwise by the grace of God Christ the king doth gather and form unto himself another kinde of kingdom amongst men and the same to be administred by other officers and according to other lawes And if no place upon the face of the ●ruth should be free for us poore creatures refusing upon meer conscience of God as thou God the judg and searcher of hearts knowest to commingle and prostitute our selvs in and unto this confusion and domination hierarchicall we have most assured hope that heaven it self is open for us by Christ who is the way and whom in this dutie also we do serve in which we shall at the length be fully free from this and all other incumbrances Our adversaries bear in hand not onely others but even us our selvs also that we do for certain trifleing matters as they speak circumstantiall corruptions sequester our selvs from the Church of England And as nurses use to lisp with children so they that they might discend to our capacities do oft and much instruct us that unworthie members must be born in the church especially of private persons that some corruptions at least in the discipline and externall rites are to be tolerated that there may be the temple of God though prophaned the holy cittie though without a wall the feild of the Lord though the enemie sowtares amongst the wheat also a heap of wheat though much chaffe commingled therewithall And that we dul-bayards as we are may at the length conceav those things they verie seriously inculcate whet upon us in these the like considerations as that the Israelitish church in its time was steyned with almost all enormities both for manners and fayth that ●nto the same all Israelites and Iewes whatsoever without difference were violently compelled by King Iosiah and others as also that in the parable all were compelled to come to the mariage good and bad that the house might be filled Lastly that in the Apostolick Churches themselvs there were not wanting some who practised and others who taught vile and evill things that in one place the discipline was neglected in another the verie doctrine of fayth corrupted and manie the like matters which it were to long to repeat Surely foolish were we if we knew not these things impudent if we denyed them to be true for the most part and lastly unequall if we acknowledged not that manie the same or like blemishes after a sort will and do creep into the Churches of our dayes which yet to disclaym as unlawfull for the same stood neither with wisdom nor charitie But the prudent Reader may plainly observe by the premises that they are other matters and of greater weight for the most part wherewith we and our consciences are pressed We do not judg it an evill intollerable though greatly to be bewayled that evill men should be suffered in the church but that all of most vile and desperate condition that such and so great a kingdom affoards should thereinto will they nill they be compelled nor that the discipline as they call it or ecclesiast call government instituted by Christ is neglected or violated but that another plain contrarie unto it is set up by law and fully and publiquely everie where exercised Neither lyes our exception against any personall or acc●dentarie profanation of the Temple but against the faultie frame of it in respect of the causes constitutive matter and form Neither strive we about the walles of the cittie but about the true and lawfull citizens the policie
and government of the cittie of God and essentiall administration of the same But to give more ful satisfaction to the indifferent reader it seems worth the labour to descend particularly to a few and the same the cheifest objections made on the contrarie behalf And of them that which may and ought to be said touching the Church of Israel its condition compared with the christian churches seems to deserve the first place And touching it first the constitution of the Church of Israel is not to be considered in that whole much lesse apostaticall nation but in holy Abraham from whom it came in whom it was holy as the lump in the first fruits the branches in the holy root and that by vertue of the gratious covenant I will be thy God the God of thy seed first contracted with Abraham himself after renued with his seed whole Israell But now to affirm any such thing of the whole English nation were foolish to prove it impossible 2. God doth not now a daies select seve● from others as his peculiar anie whole nation or people as sometimes he did the people of Israel both ecclesiastically civilly but in everie nation they who feare God work righteousnes are accepted of him These in what natiō soever combyning together in holy covenant and worshiping God after the prescript of his H. word are that holy nation the common wealth of Israel the Israel of God the temple tabernacle of the living God in which he hath promised to dwell these he would have scattered in all places of the world to hould intercourse with the men of the world in the common affairs of this life for their gaming if it may be unto Christ God adding dayly unto the church such as should be saved Whereas on the contrarie unto the church of England whereof all natural English are together at once made members it can hardly be if at all that anie at anie time should be added 3. The verie land of Canaan was legally holy the land of the Lords inheritance whose fruit was to be circumcised her sabbaths kept by the Lords appointment in which alone by divine ●●ght 〈◊〉 were to be payed And as holy things are not to be mingled with or prost●tuted unto prophane so neither was anie place in this land to be permitted unto prophane persons to dwell in The seven prophane nations which formerly had inhabited it were altogether to be destroyed by the Israelites being to possesse it for their inheritance neither was mercie to be shewed them After if any whether born in the land or strangers did ought with an high hand he was to be cut off from among his people Herewith accords that of David the king I will betime destroy all the wicked of the land Lastly ●e that did not seek the Lord God of Israell with all his heart was to be put 〈◊〉 death whether small or great whether man or woman Far be it from Godly princes other potentates in the world to think that it behooveth them in this rigorous manner to deal with their subjects although there want not who partly from a preposterous Iudaizeing zeal partly to serv their own ambition cease not to inculcate unto the kings of the earth above that is meet the examples of the kings of Iudah 4. It is not true that the kings of Iudah or Israel did const●●yn any into the church by force or compel them to undergo the condition of members but only being members to do their dutie All the Israel●tes and posteritie of Iakob had their part in the Lords covenant unto which also they were bound to stand under perill of cutting off from the Lords people both spiritually bodily according to the dispensation of the ould Testament in the land of Canaan But of this our question is not for the present That neither is to be considered whether king David Salomon Iehosaphat others did force circumcision other Mosaicall institutions upon the Edom●tes Ammonites and others by them subdued held in civill subjection or whether they compelled them by coactive lawes would they nould they fit or unfit into the Church of God That this was so cannot be affirmed with modestie which yet except it so were hath nothing in it which e●ther can hurte our cause or help our adversaries Lastly he who well weigheth with himself what legall and typicall holines was in use of old in Israel shadowing out the true sp●ritual holines and withall by how much both the more clear revelat on of heavenly things more plenteous grace of the spirit ●s afforded to the churches since Christ then was formerly to Israel he shall see manie things making for the tolerating of much in Israel which in us 〈◊〉 plainly intollerable and that God will not use that patience long-suffering towards any church now nor permit or wink at those things in it which for the hardnes of their hearts he bore in that ancient people The parable of the tares Matth. 13. followeth with which as with some thunderboult men both learned and unlearned think us beaten all to fitters But first these words Let both grow togither till the harvest v. 30. frō which alone they do dispute Christ the Lord doth not expound nor meddle with in the opening of the parable from them therefore nothing firm can be concluded 2. Christ him●elf interprets the feild not the Churh but the world v. 38. as also the harvest not the end of the Church but of the world v. 39. And if by the world you understand the Church you must needs say that Christ in the expounding of one parable used another 3. Both the text it self reason of the thing do plainly teach that he doth not speak at all of excommunication which servs for the bettering of the tares but of their finall rooting up to perd●tion Lastly admit Christ spake of men apparently wicked in the Church either not to be excommunicated in certain cases which with Gellius Snecanus I confidently denie or not excommunicated as they ought to be therefore to be born of private members the former of which is too ordinarie especially in Churches enjoying peace prosperitie the latter of which the Church not being desperately bent on evill I easily assent to yet doth this place affoard no medicine for our grief which ariseth not from any corrupt or negligent administration of the Churches discipline thorough the car●lesnes or want of wisdom it may be too much wisdom such as it is of the administers thereof which are personall things but from the verie constitution of the church it self subject of ecclesiasticall both government and power Yea I ad unto all these things that we for our parts are willing in the busines and controversie in hand to appeal unto the tribunall of this verie parable and that
expounded by our adversaries themselvs do willingly condiscend that by it alone judgment be given in this matter Our Saviour Christ doth plainly teach that this feild was sown with good seed alone that after whilst men slept the enemie the divel came sowed ●ares amongst the wheat But on the contrarie in the sowing the English f●●ld whether we respect the nat●onall or parochiall churches together with the wheat the tares that exceeding the other infinitely were at first yet are sown that of purpose under most severe penalt●●s And hence is the first princ●pall pr●judice to our English harvest frō which I conceav all the rest to come For unto this Ch. thus clapped clouted together of all persons of all sorts spirits without difference no man equally prudently weighing things can denie but that the pompous imperious Hierarchicall government together with all its accessories doth right well accorde To the things objected from the parable of the mariage Luke 14. Mat. 22. I onely answer that those servants were the Prophets and Apostles the son Christ himself the compulsion to be made no otherwise then by the preaching of the word by which as Calvin hath it God doth importunately sollicit our slo●thfulnes not onely pricking us with exhortations but cōpelling us with threatnings to come unto him which word of God as it is by some wholly contemned so doth it extort from others onely an externall hypocritical obedience but by manie is receaved through the blessing of God with al holy devout affection Now unto these pa●ables of Christ manie are wont and that very busily to annex one of their own A heap say they of wheat although it have much chaf mixed with it the 〈◊〉 more in quantitie then the wheat is 〈◊〉 notwithstanding truly is rightly termed a heap of wheat according to the Phylo●ophers rule The den●mination to not of the greater but better part I answer first that this axiom is not simply true for if in the church or any other convention popular or in which things passe by voyces the greater part hap to exceed the better the denominat on of that passage or decree and so the whole processe of the matter is according to the greater though the worser part 2. The chaf in that wheat is either of the same wheat or of other brought from els where if of that same then it makes nothing to the present purpose since wicked men appe●●ein not to the persons of the godly no● are their chaf if of other from els where it may easily be added in that quantitie proportion as that neither it may deserv the name of an heap of wheat but of chaf nor he that sels it for wheat of an honest merchant but of a deceiptfull impostour 4. The things objected from the Apostolicall Churches are altogether personall accidentall from which that the churches gathered of men and by men governed should be exempted is ●aither to be desired then hoped for But for us the things which most afflict us in the Ch. of England presse us in the respect fore-mentioned to a secession from the same do concern the verie materiall formall constitution of the ministeriall church together with the essentiall administration of the Church-policie And how different these things are who seeth not Lastly it is objected that in the Ch. of England lively faith true pietie are both begotten and nourished in the hearts of many by the preaching of the gospell there God forbid that we should not acknowledg that withall that infinite thanks for the same are due to Gods great power goodnes both in respect of our selvs and others Who notwithstanding the great confusion both of persons and things there to be found vouchsafeth to his elect so plentifull grace covering under the vayl of his superaboundant goodnes mercy by their ●●ncere fayth in Christ Iesus their sins aberrations whether of ignorance or infirmitie What then must be done should we continue in sin that grace might abound or shall we against knowledg go on to walk inordinately because in our ignorance God hath vouchsafed us of his grace in that disordered state of things without the ministerial church of which we speak the preaching of the gospell both may useth to be had by it sayth to be ingenerated except christian churches be to be gathered of infidels unbeleevers Besides what Minos or Rha●amant will deny that even in the bosom of the Romish church some fa●thfull persons may be found how much more in that of England in which the main truths of the gospell the most greatest errours of poperie being banished are taught by so manie godly learned men with such zeal and earnestnes Now what of these things Is it therefore lawfull for a Christian eyther to content himself with himself without joyning to any christian congregation or to continue still in the bosom of the church of Rome as a member under the Pope th● head I therefore conclude out of M. Brightman whose words I had raither use then mine own speaking of the government ministerie of the Church of England The fruit to wit of the word preached doth no more exempt from blame our corruptions then a true child doth adulterie And here thou hast Christian Reader the whole order of our conversation in the work of Christian religion set down both as breifly and plainly as I could If in anie thing we●er advertise us brotherly with desire of our information not as our countrimens manner for the most part is with a minde of reproaching us or grat fying of others and whom thou findest in errour thou shalt not leave in obstinacie nor as having a minde prone to schism E●re we may alasse too easily but heretiques by the grace of God we will not be But if the things which we do seem ●ight in thine eyes as to us certainly they do I do earnestly by the Lord Iesus admonish and exhort thy godly minde that thou wilst neither withould thy due obedience frō his truth no● just succour from thy distressed brethren Neither do thou indure that either the smalnes of the number or meannes of the ●ondition of those that professe it should prejudice with thee the pro●ssion of the truth but have in minde that of Te●tullian Do we measure mens faith by their persons or their persons by their faith as also that of Austin Let matter weigh with matter and cause with cause and rea●●● with reason but especially that of the Apostle My brethren have 〈◊〉 the faith of our glorious Lord Iesus Christ in respect of persons But now it so come to passe which God forbid that the most being eyther forestalled by prejudice or by prosperitie made secure there be few found especially men of learning who will so far vouchsafe to stoop as to look upon so despised