Selected quad for the lemma: christian_n

Word A Word B Word C Word D Occurrence Frequency Band MI MI Band Prominent
christian_n church_n part_n universal_a 2,451 5 9.1017 5 true
View all documents for the selected quad

Text snippets containing the quad

ID Title Author Corrected Date of Publication (TCP Date of Publication) STC Words Pages
A18391 Mr. Pilkinton his Parallela disparalled And the Catholicke Roman faith maintained against Protestantisme. By Ant. Champney Sorbonist, and author of the Manuall of Controuersies, impugned by the said Mr. Pilkinton. Champney, Anthony, 1569?-1643? 1620 (1620) STC 4959; ESTC S117540 125,228 234

There are 9 snippets containing the selected quad. | View original text

of_o time_n and_o place_n change_v and_o alter_v as_o experience_n teach_v and_o not_o of_o matter_n of_o faith_n and_o belief_n which_o be_v ever_o the_o same_o without_o any_o change_n or_o alteration_n so_o that_o my_o position_n have_v no_o other_o contrariety_n with_o s._n aug._n doctrine_n than_o heat_n have_v with_o white_a or_o hear_v with_o seeinge_v pilk_n 5._o universality_n be_v a_o note_n to_o find_v out_o the_o church_n by_o attend_v not_o those_o company_n that_o go_v 39_o the_o broad_a way_n they_o be_v many_o and_o who_o cann_v number_v they_o and_o few_o go_v in_o the_o narrow_a way_n bring_v forth_o thy_o weight_n &_o weigh_v they_o see_v what_o a_o deal_n of_o chaff_n for_o a_o little_a corn_n champ_n the_o far_a you_o go_v the_o more_o your_o ignorance_n or_o obstinacy_n do_v appear_v be_v you_o not_o ashamed_a to_o make_v s._n aug._n at_o odds_n with_o the_o apostle_n and_o nycen_n creed_n both_o which_o make_v universality_n a_o note_n &_o propriety_n of_o the_o true_a church_n beside_o be_v you_o so_o shallow_a brain_v that_o you_o see_v not_o that_o s._n aug._n speak_v here_o of_o badd_o live_v christian_n which_o make_v not_o diverse_a church_n but_o be_v as_o chaff_n in_o the_o same_o ba●ne_n or_o flore_fw-la with_o the_o good_a corn_n and_o not_o of_o misbelieve_a heretic_n and_o sectary_n which_o make_v their_o conventicle_n a_o part_n out_o of_o the_o church_n and_o be_v never_o comparable_a to_o the_o true_a church_n for_o universality_n either_o of_o time_n or_o place_n again_o why_o do_v you_o charge_v i_o in_o the_o page_n follow_v with_o forgeinge_v this_o proposition_n and_o fatheringe_v it_o upon_o you_o ●he_v true_a church_n of_o christe_n be_v not_o necessary_o catholic_a or_o universal_a either_o in_o respect_n of_o place_n or_o time_n if_o you_o will_v deny_v universallity_n to_o be_v a_o note_n of_o the_o true_a church_n you_o be_v so_o busy_v to_o make_v contrariety_n betwixt_o my_o position_n and_o the_o father_n doctrine_n that_o you_o run_v into_o evident_a contradiction_n with_o yourself_o and_o that_o within_o the_o space_n of_o a_o little_a leaf_n of_o paper_n either_o confess_v the_o cause_n which_o you_o will_v defend_v to_o be_v so_o bad_a that_o it_o enforce_v you_o to_o these_o absurdity_n or_o leave_v the_o defence_n of_o it_o to_o some_o other_o of_o better_a skill_n and_o judgement_n pilk_n 6._o the_o true_a church_n of_o god_n be_v visible_a and_o apparent_a both_o to_o the_o saithfull_a believer_n that_o be_v in_o it_o and_o also_o to_o heretic_n and_o other_o that_o be_v out_o of_o it_o what_o church_n now_o free_o serve_v agentes_fw-la christ_n for_o if_o it_o be_v godly_a it_o be_v expose_v to_o danger_n &_o if_o there_o be_v in_o any_o place_n faithful_a servant_n of_o christ_n as_o in_o all_o place_n there_o be_v many_o they_o like_v unto_o the_o great_a prophett_v elias_n be_v secret_a and_o hide_v themselves_o in_o den_n and_o cave_n of_o the_o earth_n or_o wandringe_v uppe_o and_o down_o remain_v in_o the_o wilderness_n champ_n if_o you_o will_v have_v prove_v the_o truth_n of_o my_o position_n and_o the_o conformity_n thereof_o with_o the_o doctrine_n of_o s._n athanasius_n you_o can_v not_o easy_o have_v do_v it_o more_o effectual_o then_o by_o the_o testimony_n you_o bring_v out_o of_o he_o to_o prove_v the_o contrary_a so_o devoyde_a of_o judgement_n be_v you_o in_o all_o your_o say_n for_o the_o church_n that_o be_v expose_v to_o danger_n that_o be_v in_o all_o place_n and_o be_v persecute_v be_v doubtless_o visible_a both_o to_o the_o faithful_a and_o to_o the_o heretic_n yea_o those_o servant_n of_o christ_n that_o like_a unto_o elias_n hide_v themselves_o in_o den_n and_o remain_v in_o the_o wilderness_n be_v not_o invisible_a more_o than_o the_o catholic_n now_o be_v in_o england_n whereof_o some_o part_n be_v in_o prison_n other_o be_v in_o wood_n and_o wilderness_n as_o these_o be_v of_o who_o s._n athanasius_n speak_v and_o if_o you_o can_v show_v such_o a_o visible_a church_n of_o protestant_n before_o martin_n luther_n you_o will_v not_o use_v the_o shameless_a shift_n of_o a_o invisible_a church_n whereunto_o you_o be_v drive_v by_o mere_a necessity_n pilk_n s._n peter_n be_v by_o our_o saviour_n christ_n constitute_v 7._o supreme_a head_n or_o sovereign_a bishop_n or_o pastor_n over_o his_o whole_a church_n militant_a christ_n give_v to_o all_o his_o apostle_n equal_a unitat_fw-la power_n after_o his_o resurrection_n and_o say_v as_o my_o father_n send_v i_o so_o send_v i_o you_o receive_v the_o holy_a ghost_n who_o sin_n you_o remit_v they_o be_v remit_v and_o a_o little_a after_o the_o rest_n of_o the_o apostle_n be_v the_o same_o that_o peter_n be_v endue_v with_o like_a fellowship_n both_o of_o honour_n and_o power_n champ_n the_o equality_n of_o power_n to_o remit_v sin_n or_o as_o the_o divine_v term_v it_o power_n of_o order_n of_o which_o equality_n s._n cyprian_n speak_v in_o all_o the_o apostle_n do_v stand_v well_o with_o the_o supremacy_n of_o the_o power_n of_o jurisdiction_n and_o government_n which_o s._n cyprian_n give_v to_o s._n peter_n again_o all_o the_o apostle_n be_v of_o equal_a power_n in_o respect_n of_o the_o rest_n of_o the_o church_n but_o not_o in_o respect_n of_o themselves_o for_o one_o head_n be_v choose_v say_v s._n hierome_n that_o the_o occasion_n of_o schism_n jovinianum_fw-la may_v be_v take_v away_o where_o you_o be_v also_o to_o note_n that_o if_o you_o will_v still_o persist_v to_o urge_v the_o equality_n of_o power_n in_o all_o the_o apostle_n out_o of_o this_o testimony_n of_o s._n cyprian_n you_o must_v also_o in_o like_a manner_n conclude_v the_o equality_n of_o honour_n in_o they_o all_o which_o notwithstanding_o none_o of_o you_o dare_v to_o do_v in_o regard_n of_o so_o many_o prerogative_n clear_o give_v to_o s._n peter_n both_v in_o holy_a scripture_n and_o by_o all_o antiquity_n for_o which_o reason_n spalatensis_n who_o have_v struggle_v more_o perverse_o against_o s._n peter_n his_o supremacy_n than_o any_o other_o heretic_n hitherto_o do_v grant_n unto_o he_o a_o supremacy_n in_o diverse_a respect_n thinkinge_v thereby_o as_o 〈◊〉_d he_o be_v malicious_a and_o perverse_a by_o grauntinge_v he_o some_o part_n of_o his_o due_n more_o easy_o to_o deprive_v he_o of_o the_o rest_n either_o cease_v therefore_o to_o impugn_v s._n peter_n his_o supreamacie_n out_o of_o this_o testimony_n of_o s._n cyprian_n or_o if_o you_o will_v continue_v still_o to_o do_v it_o take_v his_o whole_a word_n and_o sense_n and_o so_o shall_v you_o make_v he_o opposite_a to_o yourselves_o pilk_n the_o bishop_n of_o rome_n be_v the_o lawful_a and_o lineal_a 8._o successor_n of_o s._n peter_n in_o that_o charge_n and_o office_n which_o our_o saviour_n give_v unto_o s._n peter_n over_o his_o church_n militant_a let_v none_o of_o we_o make_v himself_o bishop_n 2_o of_o bishop_n or_o by_o tyrannical_a fear_n force_v his_o fellow_n to_o necessity_n of_o obedience_n seeinge_v every_o bishop_n have_v free_a liberty_n and_o licence_n of_o his_o own_o power_n and_o may_v not_o judge_v another_o no_o more_o than_o another_o may_v judge_v he_o but_o let_v we_o expect_v the_o judgement_n of_o our_o lord_n jesus_n christ_n who_o only_o and_o alone_o have_v power_n to_o prefer_v we_o in_o the_o government_n of_o the_o church_n and_o to_o judge_v of_o our_o act_n champ_n i_o know_v not_o whether_o i_o shall_v ascribe_v it_o to_o ignorance_n or_o perversitie_n that_o you_o produce_v this_o testimony_n as_o opposite_a to_o my_o position_n for_o no_o man_n of_o common_a sense_n that_o read_v in_o s._n aug._n whence_o you_o cite_v it_o but_o will_v judge_v it_o most_o impertinentlie_o allege_v for_o your_o purpose_n s._n cyprian_n there_o speak_v to_o his_o fellow_n bishop_n of_o africa_n willinge_v they_o to_o give_v their_o opinion_n of_o the_o matter_n propose_v which_o be_v touchinge_v the_o baptism_n of_o heretic_n professinge_v to_o keep_v union_n and_o communion_n with_o they_o that_o shall_v judge_v other_o way_n than_o he_o do_v and_o this_o without_o mention_n or_o intention_n to_o include_v in_o his_o speech_n the_o bishope_n of_o rome_n but_o direct_v his_o word_n to_o the_o bishop_n present_a for_o that_o particular_a matter_n which_o there_o he_o propose_v unto_o they_o pilk_n to_o holy_a saint_n and_o angel_n in_o heaven_n be_v due_a 9_o more_o than_o civil_a honour_n and_o reverence_n we_o honour_v the_o angel_n with_o love_n not_o service_n we_o build_v they_o no_o temple_n &c_n &c_n our_o 55._o religion_n teach_v we_o not_o to_o worship_v dead_a man_n camp_n your_o ignorance_n or_o perversitie_n if_o not_o both_o lie_v so_o open_a to_o all_o man_n that_o nothing_o else_o appear_v hitherto_o in_o you_o if_o you_o have_v read_v s._n aug_n and_o but_o half_a
of_o this_o your_o assertion_n will_v assure_o get_v you_o the_o victory_n in_o all_o the_o rest_n you_o contend_v about_o without_o all_o further_a dispute_n but_o the_o manifest_a falsity_n of_o your_o affirmation_n do_v not_o only_o make_v your_o cause_n desperate_a but_o also_o deep_o wound_v your_o credit_n have_v no_o care_n to_o affirm_v so_o apparent_a untruth_n without_o the_o slender_a show_n of_o proof_n or_o probability_n at_o all_o pilk_n beside_o we_o do_v not_o find_v in_o any_o ancient_a creed_n either_o that_o of_o the_o apostle_n or_o of_o nice_a or_o in_o any_o other_o of_o the_o ancient_a counsel_n that_o the_o church_n be_v style_v the_o catholic_a roman_a final_o how_o can_v a_o part_n be_v the_o whole_a now_o the_o roman_a church_n though_o she_o be_v pure_a in_o her_o far_a extent_n be_v but_o a_o part_n of_o the_o universal_a church_n champ_n have_v you_o not_o yet_o learned_a how_o vain_a a_o thing_n it_o be_v to_o argue_v ab_fw-la authorita_fw-la ●_o ne●a_o va_fw-la produce_v you_o some_o aun_n ient_a creed_n where_o the_o church_n be_v call_v the_o christian_n church_n which_o though_o you_o can_v do_v yet_o i_o hope_v you_o will_v not_o deny_v the_o catholic_a church_n to_o be_v right_o so_o call_v neither_o be_v the_o roman_a church_n take_v for_o a_o part_n of_o the_o catholic_a church_n as_o you_o either_o false_o or_o foolish_o surmise_v but_o for_o the_o whole_a as_o the_o king_n of_o england_n be_v not_o take_v only_o to_o be_v king_n of_o england_n but_o of_o the_o rest_n of_o his_o kingdom_n also_o the_o whole_a take_v name_n of_o one_o part_n as_o be_v ordinary_a even_o in_o common_a speech_n which_o you_o can_v be_v ignorant_a of_o pilk_n yet_o you_o say_v this_o universal_a particular_a church_n admit_v a_o large_a canon_n than_o the_o protestant_n you_o mean_v the_o apocrypha_n and_o so_o it_o stand_v she_o in_o hand_n otherwise_o she_o may_v bid_v a_o dieu_fw-fr to_o diverse_a profitable_a point_n that_o help_v she_o to_o uphoulde_v her_o monarchy_n but_o the_o church_n of_o god_n before_o christ_n receive_v they_o not_o but_o the_o same_o which_o the_o protestant_n do_v embrace_v neither_o read_v we_o that_o christ_n or_o any_o of_o his_o apostle_n do_v cite_v any_o testimony_n out_o of_o they_o to_o confirm_v any_o doctrine_n by_o they_o which_o they_o do_v out_o of_o all_o the_o canonical_a book_n beside_o if_o we_o follow_v s._n 1_o august_n judgement_n whereby_o we_o may_v discern_v suspicious_a write_n from_o canonical_a than_o these_o will_v easy_o appear_v to_o be_v conterfaites_n first_o say_v he_o they_o be_v not_o such_o as_o the_o church_n credit_v &_o receive_v into_o canonical_a authority_n secondlie_o there_o be_v many_o thing_n embark_v in_o they_o which_o apostolical_a rule_n of_o faith_n and_o sound_a doctrine_n do_v contradict_v both_o these_o be_v verify_v of_o the_o apocrypha_n for_o neither_o the_o church_n of_o god_n before_o christ_n receive_v they_o to_o who_o be_v commit_v the_o oracle_n of_o god_n rom._n 3._o 2._o which_o christ_n will_v have_v reprove_v they_o for_o if_o they_o have_v without_o just_a cause_n reject_v they_o as_o well_o as_o he_o do_v reprehend_v they_o for_o the_o misinterpretinge_v of_o the_o canonical_a book_n neither_o yet_o long_o after_o christ_n do_v the_o christian_a church_n embrace_v they_o and_o beside_o in_o the_o book_n themselves_o there_o be_v certain_a brand_n whereby_o they_o may_v be_v discern_v from_o the_o canonical_a first_o the_o addition_n 5_o unto_o the_o book_n of_o hester_n say_v that_o mardocheus_n have_v receive_v reward_n for_o the_o detection_n of_o the_o conspiracy_n of_o the_o king_n chamberlain_n the_o true_a hester_n say_v he_o receive_v none_o the_o suppositius_fw-la 3._o hester_n say_v that_o haman_n intend_v the_o the_o destruction_n of_o mardocheus_n for_o detectinge_v the_o eunuch_n hest._n 12._o 6._o the_o true_a hester_n say_v for_o 25._o denyinge_v he_o worship_n hester_n 3._o 5._o the_o true_a hester_n the_o king_n look_v gracious_o upon_o she_o the_o counterfeit_a he_o look_v angerlie_a the_o book_n of_o baruch_n say_v that_o the_o city_n of_o jerusalem_n be_v take_v and_o burn_v at_o the_o same_o time_n jeremie_n teach_v the_o contrary_a &_o the_o book_n of_o the_o king_n the_o addition_n unto_o daniel_n say_v that_o when_o danyell_n deliver_v susanna_n he_o be_v a_o child_n the_o true_a daniel_n say_v that_o he_o with_o two_o other_o make_v by_o 48._o the_o king_n be_v chief_a over_o 120._o prince_n that_o they_o may_v take_v all_o the_o account_n of_o the_o kingdom_n and_o the_o king_n may_v not_o be_v trouble_v but_o child_n use_v not_o to_o be_v set_v over_o such_o affair_n commentitives_n daniel_n say_v in_o the_o story_n of_o bell_n that_o he_o be_v feed_v by_o abacuk_n 14._o 36._o whereas_o abacuk_n prophesy_v long_o before_o the_o captivity_n 1._o 6._o in_o the_o book_n of_o toby_n cap._n 12._o 15_o the_o angel_n call_v himself_o raphaell_n the_o angel_n of_o the_o lord_n but_o chapter_n the_o 5._o 12._o he_o be_v of_o the_o kindred_n of_o ananias_n and_o azarias_n the_o great_a if_o he_o be_v the_o angel_n of_o the_o lord_n he_o can_v be_v the_o son_n of_o a_o man_n as_o true_a be_v that_o medicine_n wherewith_o the_o devil_n be_v drive_v away_o but_o corporal_a creature_n use_v not_o to_o make_v any_o impression_n into_o a_o substance_n simple_o intellectual_a as_o devil_n be_v in_o judith_n the_o cruel_a murder_n commit_v by_o symeon_n and_o levi_n be_v propound_v to_o be_v imitate_v cap._n 8._o 23._o which_o genesis_n the_o 49._o be_v reprehend_v and_o accurse_v the_o book_n of_o wisdom_n be_v false_o entitle_v as_o it_o have_v be_v compose_v by_o solomon_n whereas_o the_o author_n of_o it_o be_v philo_n the_o jewe._n ecclesiasticus_fw-la crave_v pardon_n if_o he_o come_v short_a in_o some_o word_n which_o the_o penman_n of_o the_o holy_a ghost_n use_v not_o to_o do_v in_o the_o book_n of_o the_o maccaby_n a_o parricide_n be_v commend_v that_o lay_v hand_n on_o himself_o which_o be_v forbid_v by_o the_o law_n so_o your_o long_a canon_n have_v but_o certain_a inch_n that_o be_v true_a and_o perfect_a the_o rest_n be_v but_o leaden_a and_o crooked_a yet_o for_o all_o this_o you_o say_v champ_n that_o the_o catholic_a roman_a church_n admit_v a_o large_a canon_n that_o be_v as_o the_o manual_a say_v more_o book_n and_o parcel_n of_o the_o bible_n for_o holy_a scripture_n than_o the_o protestant_n do_v be_v so_o manifest_a that_o you_o dare_v not_o deny_v it_o now_o whether_o these_o book_n and_o parcel_n of_o book_n be_v apocrypha_n or_o no_o be_v in_o controversy_n you_o affirminge_v they_o so_o to_o be_v and_o we_o denyinge_v it_o which_o question_n can_v here_o be_v dispute_v or_o discuss_v for_o confoundinge_a of_o matter_n only_o this_o i_o say_v by_o the_o way_n to_o your_o objection_n make_v against_o they_o that_o if_o you_o do_v stand_v to_o s._n aug_n judgement_n in_o this_o point_n to_o who_o you_o make_v show_v to_o appeal_v the_o cause_n be_v lose_v on_o your_o part_n and_o if_o you_o will_v not_o antithesis_fw-la believe_v i_o read_v his_o second_o book_n de_fw-fr doctrina_fw-la christiana_n cap_n 5._o &_o 6._o and_o be_v your_o own_o judge_n again_o your_o exception_n against_o the_o book_n in_o controversy_n be_v such_o as_o if_o they_o be_v admit_v for_o sufficient_a to_o prove_v they_o apocrypha_n i_o dare_v undertake_v to_o prove_v all_o or_o the_o most_o part_n of_o the_o book_n in_o the_o bible_n to_o be_v apocrypha_n and_o this_o i_o will_v make_v good_a whensoever_o you_o dare_v upon_o equal_a condition_n to_o challenge_v i_o thereunto_o see_v therefore_o i_o pray_v what_o a_o friend_n you_o be_v to_o the_o holy_a scripture_n that_o open_v such_o and_o so_o wide_a a_o gap_n to_o take_v quite_o away_o all_o scripture_n and_o this_o shall_v suffice_v for_o answer_v to_o all_o your_o tedious_a discourse_n in_o this_o section_n manual_a catholic_a position_n the_o first_o that_o all_o such_o article_n as_o by_o she_o the_o catholic_a roman_a church_n and_o the_o protestant_n be_v believe_v and_o hold_v for_o article_n of_o faith_n be_v not_o so_o express_o contain_v in_o the_o holy_a scripture_n as_o out_o of_o they_o only_o full_a proof_n may_v be_v make_v thereof_o pilk_n this_o position_n be_v so_o doubtful_o set_v down_o as_o if_o of_o purpose_n you_o will_v walk_v in_o a_o cloud_n that_o your_o reader_n may_v not_o perceive_v you_o for_o if_o by_o expresselie_o you_o mean_v word_n and_o syllable_n than_o it_o be_v true_a that_o all_o article_n of_o faith_n be_v not_o contain_v in_o holy_a scripture_n in_o so_o many_o word_n but_o if_o you_o mean_v the_o sense_n and_o substance_n and_o that_o which_o may_v be_v deduce_v by_o necessary_a consequence_n than_o it_o be_v
be_v it_o be_v manifest_a that_o in_o this_o case_n the_o proof_n &_o knowledge_n of_o the_o church_n must_v go_v before_o the_o proof_n and_o knowledge_n of_o the_o scripture_n as_o be_v before_o it_o and_o leadinge_n unto_o it_o and_o not_o the_o contrary_a pilk_n this_o be_v yet_o more_o clear_a by_o the_o very_a proposition_n grant_v by_o papist_n that_o the_o scripture_n be_v the_o rule_n whereof_o the_o sense_n be_v that_o the_o sense_n and_o doctrine_n not_o the_o letter_n and_o character_n be_v this_o rule_n now_o let_v our_o adversary_n judge_n whether_o be_v more_o ancient_a the_o doctrine_n of_o the_o church_n which_o be_v the_o seed_n of_o the_o church_n or_o the_o church_n which_o be_v beget_v of_o it_o champ_n you_o either_o ignorantlie_o mistake_v or_o wilful_o invert_v the_o question_n which_o be_v not_o whether_o the_o holy_a scripture_n be_v a_o rule_n of_o faith_n which_o no_o christian_n deny_v but_o whether_o it_o be_v the_o first_o and_o most_o universal_a rule_n thereof_o and_o this_o none_o but_o heretic_n that_o deny_v the_o authority_n of_o the_o church_n and_o verity_n of_o tradition_n both_o which_o notwithstanding_o be_v expresselie_o testify_v by_o holy_a scripture_n do_v ever_o affirm_v and_o whether_o the_o church_n be_v more_o ancient_a than_o the_o scripture_n if_o you_o doubt_n as_o you_o seem_v to_o do_v yea_o and_o to_o affirm_v the_o contrary_a i_o shall_v esteem_v you_o either_o very_o senseless_a or_o very_o wilful_a and_o perverse_a the_o scripture_n have_v be_v write_v by_o the_o church_n unless_o peradventure_o by_o the_o scripture_n or_o doctrine_n of_o the_o scripture_n you_o understande_v the_o word_n of_o god_n write_v in_o the_o heart_n of_o man_n by_o the_o immediate_a revelation_n of_o the_o holy_a ghost_n and_o by_o they_o deliver_v by_o word_n of_o mouth_n the_o one_o to_o the_o other_o until_o moses_n who_o be_v the_o first_o that_o ever_o commit_v any_o thing_n to_o write_n if_o you_o take_v the_o scripture_n in_o this_o sense_n that_o which_o you_o mean_v be_v true_a and_o if_o further_o you_o acknowledge_v the_o authority_n of_o the_o church_n and_o verity_n of_o tradition_n in_o deliveringe_v this_o doctrine_n and_o teachinge_a it_o one_o to_o another_o by_o word_n of_o mouth_n before_o it_o be_v write_v our_o controversy_n be_v at_o a_o end_n the_o authority_n of_o the_o church_n and_o tradition_n be_v evidentlie_o prove_v to_o go_v before_o the_o scripture_n and_o consequent_o to_o be_v a_o more_o universal_a rule_n of_o faith_n then_o the_o scripture_n pilk_n so_o that_o as_o your_o first_o conclusion_n be_v a_o manifest_a untruth_n that_o there_o be_v a_o more_o universal_a rule_n of_o faith_n then_o the_o scripture_n so_o the_o second_o be_v a_o dull_a and_o heavy_a conceit_n that_o the_o church_n shall_v be_v more_o ancient_a and_o before_o they_o champ_n if_o either_o my_o first_o conclusion_n as_o you_o term_v it_o be_v a_o manifest_a untruth_n or_o my_o second_o a_o dull_a conceit_n why_o do_v you_o doombelie_o deny_v it_o without_o any_o proof_n or_o reason_n at_o all_o especial_o seinge_v i_o prove_v the_o first_o by_o clear_a instance_n as_o you_o may_v see_v and_o the_o second_o be_v but_o a_o sequel_n or_o necessary_a deduction_n of_o the_o first_o if_o it_o be_v enough_o for_o you_o to_o say_v that_o your_o adversary_n conclusion_n though_o prove_v by_o manifest_a instance_n be_v manifest_a untruth_n you_o may_v well_o hope_v to_o carry_v away_o the_o buckler_n from_o a_o far_o great_a clerk_n than_o ever_o i_o shall_v pretend_v to_o be_v for_o you_o know_v that_o aristotle_n ass_n be_v able_a to_o deny_v more_o than_o his_o master_n be_v able_a to_o prove_v pilk_n peruse_v the_o father_n in_o who_o work_n you_o seem_v to_o be_v conversant_a and_o nominate_v one_o that_o have_v teach_v either_o that_o the_o authority_n of_o the_o church_n be_v a_o more_o universal_a rule_n or_o that_o she_o be_v before_o their_o doctrine_n which_o be_v the_o two_o chief_a stoop_v of_o your_o religion_n whereas_o in_o they_o i_o find_v that_o the_o scripture_n be_v the_o rule_n and_o they_o nominate_v nothing_o else_o champ_n if_o you_o have_v weigh_v s._n aug_n testimony_n which_o the_o manual_a set_v down_o in_o this_o place_n and_o which_o you_o vain_o struggle_v to_o avoid_v with_o equal_a judgement_n you_o will_v not_o have_v put_v i_o to_o further_a search_n of_o the_o father_n for_o proof_n of_o that_o which_o i_o say_v you_o shall_v either_o deliver_v yourself_o better_a from_o s._n aug_n authority_n then_o here_o you_o have_v do_v or_o else_o you_o shall_v be_v force_v to_o swallow_v it_o down_o as_o a_o bitter_a but_o a_o wholesome_a pill_n against_o your_o heresy_n neither_o will_v i_o take_v the_o tax_n at_o your_o hand_n to_o search_v further_o the_o father_n for_o this_o purpose_n till_o i_o see_v this_o one_o better_o satisfy_v and_o you_o fight_v against_o your_o own_o shadow_n when_o you_o labour_v to_o prove_v by_o the_o father_n that_o the_o scripture_n be_v a_o rule_n of_o our_o faith_n your_o adversary_n denyinge_v it_o not_o as_o i_o tell_v you_o before_o but_o you_o love_v to_o show_v your_o strength_n when_o none_o resist_v you_o and_o that_o the_o father_n nominate_v no_o other_o rule_n be_v as_o true_a as_o the_o rest_n of_o your_o say_n for_o seeinge_v they_o avouch_v so_o plain_o and_o frequent_o tradition_n and_o the_o church_n authority_n as_o you_o know_v they_o do_v how_o can_v you_o say_v that_o they_o name_v no_o other_o rule_n pilk_n the_o ecclesiastical_a rule_n be_v the_o consent_n and_o sto._n conspiration_n of_o the_o old_a and_o new_a testament_n say_v clemens_n the_o holy_a scripture_n do_v prefix_v unto_o we_o the_o rule_n of_o our_o faith_n say_v s._n aug._n supr_n champ_n i_o know_v not_o whether_o i_o shall_v attribute_v the_o citinge_n of_o this_o authority_n out_o of_o clemens_n to_o your_o ignorance_n or_o to_o your_o fraud_n and_o desire_n to_o deceive_v by_o it_o your_o reader_n it_o be_v so_o impertinent_a to_o your_o purpose_n he_o say_v only_o that_o it_o be_v the_o ecclesiastical_a rule_n of_o interpretinge_v scripture_n to_o make_v the_o prophett_n and_o law_n to_o accord_v with_o the_o testament_n of_o our_o saviour_n christ_n which_o what_o it_o make_v to_o prove_v the_o scripture_n to_o be_v the_o sole_a rule_n of_o faith_n i_o can_v conceive_v s._n aug._n you_o cite_v so_o at_o large_a that_o i_o know_v not_o where_o to_o look_v for_o the_o place_n by_o you_o allege_v to_o see_v whether_o it_o be_v not_o as_o pertinentlie_o allege_v as_o the_o other_o be_v and_o seinge_v the_o scripture_n do_v send_v we_o to_o our_o pastor_n to_o learn_v our_o faith_n and_o to_o the_o church_n commandinge_v we_o to_o hear_v it_o it_o may_v well_o be_v say_v to_o prefix_v unto_o we_o the_o rule_n of_o our_o faith_n and_o yet_o exclude_v not_o the_o church_n authority_n for_o the_o which_o we_o now_o contend_v so_o that_o this_o place_n be_v as_o fit_a for_o your_o purpose_n as_o the_o other_o pilk_n the_o church_n go_v not_o out_o of_o her_o bound_n 41._o that_o be_v the_o holy_a scripture_n say_v jerome_n and_o lest_o you_o may_v think_v it_o be_v the_o rule_n but_o not_o the_o only_o rule_n vincentius_n add_v the_o sole_a rule_n of_o the_o scripture_n be_v sufficient_a to_o all_o thing_n champ_n the_o church_n follow_v the_o authority_n of_o tradition_n and_o the_o judgement_n of_o the_o church_n in_o all_o matter_n of_o say_v and_o manner_n which_o the_o scripture_n do_v expresslie_o give_v testimony_n and_o warrant_n unto_o do_v not_o go_v out_o of_o the_o bound_n of_o the_o scripture_n in_o citinge_v vincentius_n you_o use_v your_o accustom_a fraud_n leave_v out_o the_o word_n goinge_v before_o which_o be_v so_o expresslie_o against_o your_o purpose_n that_o have_v you_o set_v they_o down_o they_o have_v be_v sufficient_a to_o confute_v your_o error_n in_o this_o point_n they_o be_v these_o we_o have_v say_v before_o ha●_n this_o always_o have_v be_v and_o be_v also_o at_o this_o day_n the_o custom_n of_o catholic_n to_o prove_v the_o truth_n of_o faith_n by_o these_o two_o mean_n first_o by_o the_o authority_n of_o divine_a canon_n then_o by_o tradition_n of_o the_o catholic_a church_n not_o because_o the_o canon_n alone_o be_v not_o sufficient_a of_o itself_o to_o all_o thing_n but_o etc._n etc._n now_o let_v the_o judicious_a reader_n judge_v whether_o this_o holy_a father_n make_v the_o scripture_n the_o sole_a rule_n of_o faith_n or_o no_o when_o he_o say_v the_o sacred_a canon_n be_v sufficient_a to_o all_o thing_n he_o mean_v that_o it_o be_v sufficient_a to_o all_o thing_n that_o be_v necessary_a to_o every_o man_n salvation_n or_o to_o every_o man_n to_o believe_v for_o these_o thing_n be_v not_o many_o and_o sufficient_o
they_o have_v not_o of_o themselves_o but_o receive_v from_o the_o interpretation_n of_o the_o church_n and_o tradition_n which_o be_v a_o impious_a and_o blasphemous_a assertion_n for_o the_o interpretation_n of_o a_o synod_n be_v but_o a_o gloss_n the_o scripture_n be_v the_o text_n the_o interpretation_n may_v err_v the_o text_n cannott_n err_v the_o interpretation_n be_v the_o word_n of_o man_n the_o scripture_n the_o voice_n of_o god_n to_o conclude_v this_o point_n whereas_o the_o position_n of_o the_o former_a roman_a church_n be_v that_o divinity_n reason_v from_o the_o scripture_n necessary_o from_o other_o author_n and_o learning_n probable_o the_o wheel_n now_o be_v turn_v and_o man_n reason_n from_o the_o scripture_n coniecturallie_o but_o from_o the_o interpretation_n of_o the_o church_n and_o tradition_n firm_o and_o sully_v champ_n how_o often_o have_v you_o be_v tell_v of_o your_o wittinge_n belie_v your_o adversary_n you_o know_v well_o if_o you_o know_v any_o thing_n that_o the_o catholic_n who_o you_o call_v papist_n do_v teach_v the_o scripture_n to_o be_v the_o word_n of_o the_o holy_a ghost_n and_o to_o have_v their_o verity_n from_o he_o independentlie_o of_o the_o church_n and_o therefore_o that_o the_o church_n add_v no_o strength_n or_o verity_n to_o they_o no_o more_o than_o the_o witness_n or_o notary_n add_v truth_n or_o verity_n to_o the_o will_n &_o testament_n of_o the_o testatour_n nevertheless_o the_o authority_n &_o testimony_n of_o the_o church_n be_v as_o necessary_a for_o the_o acceptance_n and_o acknowledgement_n as_o well_o of_o the_o letter_n and_o text_n itself_o as_o of_o the_o sense_n and_o meaning_n of_o the_o scripture_n as_o the_o witness_n or_o notary_n hand_n be_v to_o the_o acknowledgement_n and_o proof_n of_o the_o will_n and_o testament_n or_o as_o the_o sentence_n of_o the_o judge_n be_v necessary_a for_o the_o true_a sense_n and_o meaning_n of_o the_o will_n if_o at_o any_o time_n it_o come_v to_o be_v in_o doubt_n or_o in_o question_n neither_o be_v the_o interpretation_n of_o the_o church_n upon_o the_o scripture_n the_o interpretation_n or_o word_n of_o man_n as_o you_o hereticallie_o term_v it_o but_o of_o the_o holy_a ghost_n as_o beside_o other_o place_n you_o may_v learn_v of_o that_o visum_fw-la est_fw-la spitui_fw-la sancto_fw-la &_o nobis_fw-la but_o it_o avail_v like_v as_o to_o teach_v a_o wilful_a mind_n wisdom_n your_o conclusion_n be_v yet_o more_o childish_a ignorant_a and_o impertinent_a for_o from_o the_o scripture_n understand_v in_o the_o sense_n of_o the_o church_n which_o be_v infallible_o true_a we_o say_v the_o argument_n be_v necessary_a and_o infallible_a whereas_o from_o all_o humane_a author_n take_v severallie_o be_v they_o never_o so_o learned_a the_o argument_n be_v not_o certain_a but_o probable_a but_o when_o we_o speak_v of_o humane_a author_n we_o understande_v not_o the_o church_n nor_o yet_o her_o receive_a tradition_n and_o thus_o you_o see_v your_o strong_a argument_n against_o the_o position_n of_o the_o manual_a be_v nothing_o but_o frothy_a calumny_n paralogisme_n and_o impertinency_n disperse_v and_o blow_v away_o with_o every_o small_a blast_n of_o wind_n manual_a catholic_a position_n 2._o all_o such_o article_n as_o be_v of_o faith_n and_o so_o hold_v by_o the_o protestant_n themselves_o be_v not_o contain_v so_o much_o as_o indirect_o or_o implicitlie_o in_o the_o holy_a scripture_n but_o only_o so_o far_o as_o the_o scripture_n contain_v and_o testify_v the_o authority_n of_o the_o church_n &_o tradition_n proof_n take_v all_o the_o book_n of_o the_o bible_n and_o every_o part_n thereof_o which_o be_v acknowledge_v for_o canonical_a scripture_n joint_o of_o catholic_n and_o protestant_n be_v such_o indeed_o that_o the_o most_o bless_a mother_n of_o our_o saviour_n christ_n continue_v perpetuallie_o a_o virgin_n that_o it_o be_v lawful_a for_o christian_n to_o eat_v strangle_v thing_n and_o blood_n which_o be_v express_o forbid_v they_o act_n 15._o 20._o be_v not_o so_o much_o as_o indirect_o contain_v in_o holy_a scripture_n otherwise_o then_o be_v mention_v in_o our_o position_n but_o this_o be_v more_o ample_o prove_v in_o that_o which_o follow_v of_o tradition_n this_o which_o we_o have_v say_v already_o shall_v suffice_v for_o the_o present_a pilk_n the_o sun_n need_v to_o borrow_v no_o light_n of_o other_o star_n nor_o the_o scripture_n of_o the_o church_n or_o of_o tradition_n for_o without_o help_n of_o either_o they_o sufficient_o prove_v all_o article_n of_o faith_n champ_n it_o be_v a_o usual_a trick_n of_o all_o deceitful_a and_o verbal_a disputer_n to_o invert_v &_o change_v the_o question_n in_o hand_n that_o when_o they_o can_v say_v nothing_o to_o the_o true_a question_n they_o may_v find_v something_o to_o say_v to_o the_o question_n frame_v by_o themselves_o the_o controversy_n here_o be_v not_o whether_o the_o scripture_n do_v sufficient_o prove_v all_o other_o article_n of_o faith_n for_o that_o be_v dispute_v in_o the_o precedent_a position_n and_o the_o negative_a part_n there_o prove_v against_o you_o but_o whether_o they_o sufficient_o prove_v themselves_o to_o be_v the_o holy_a scripture_n or_o no_o which_o be_v the_o first_o proof_n of_o this_o position_n let_v we_o hear_v how_o you_o answer_v it_o pilk_n but_o here_o you_o trifle_v in_o idle_a homonomie_n of_o article_n of_o faith_n for_o strict_o those_o thing_n be_v call_v article_n of_o faith_n which_o be_v prescribe_v in_o the_o old_a and_o new_a testament_n to_o be_v believe_v and_o be_v summarilie_o comprise_v in_o the_o apostle_n creed_n whereby_o they_o be_v both_o distinguish_v from_o the_o precept_n of_o the_o law_n that_o prescribe_v good_a work_n and_o from_o the_o principle_n of_o divintie_a from_o which_o as_o from_o conclusion_n they_o be_v derive_v champ_n i_o know_v not_o what_o you_o call_v trifelinge_v in_o homonomie_n but_o i_o know_v that_o you_o babble_n in_o obscurity_n it_o be_v be_v like_o no_o article_n of_o faith_n with_o you_o that_o god_n be_v to_o be_v adore_v his_o name_n not_o to_o be_v profane_v or_o blaspheme_v that_o our_o parent_n be_v to_o be_v honour_v with_o the_o rest_n of_o god_n commandment_n because_o they_o be_v precept_n commaundinge_a good_a work_n i_o marvel_v where_o you_o learn_v this_o good_a divinity_n but_o let_v this_o pass_n yet_o it_o serve_v not_o your_o turn_n for_o the_o scripture_n whereof_o the_o question_n be_v now_o be_v not_o precept_n as_o you_o know_v you_o have_v therefore_o another_o as_o good_a a_o shift_n that_o be_v that_o article_n of_o faith_n be_v distinguish_v not_o only_o from_o precept_n but_o also_o ●ro●_n princeple_n of_o divinity_n from_o which_o as_o conclusion_n they_o be_v derive_v these_o be_v your_o own_o word_n but_o what_o you_o mean_v by_o they_o i_o can_v conceive_v they_o seem_v to_o sound_v that_o the_o article_n of_o faith_n as_o conclusion_n be_v derive_v from_o the_o principle_n of_o divinity_n then_o which_o you_o can_v have_v say_v nothing_o more_o contrary_a to_o truth_n for_o all_o man_n know_v that_o the_o conclusion_n of_o divinity_n be_v derive_v from_o the_o article_n of_o our_o faith_n as_o from_o their_o principle_n &_o not_o the_o contrary_a as_o you_o dream_v it_o have_v be_v good_a you_o have_v take_v one_o year_n more_o to_o have_v revew_v your_o write_n that_o you_o may_v have_v make_v better_a sense_n of_o your_o ayinge_n pilk_n of_o which_o sort_n of_o principle_n these_o be_v that_o the_o holy_a scripture_n be_v divine_a inspire_v from_o heaven_n immutabe_o true_a champ_n by_o what_o other_o reason_n i_o pray_v you_o be_v these_o thing_n here_o name_v by_o you_o rather_o to_o be_v call_v principle_n of_o divinity_n than_o article_n of_o faith_n more_o than_o for_o your_o own_o bare_a and_o ignorant_a assertion_n you_o shall_v have_v give_v some_o reason_n for_o your_o distinction_n that_o your_o reader_n may_v have_v see_v it_o have_v not_o be_v mere_o forge_v only_o to_o delude_v the_o argument_n again_o why_o be_v these_o thing_n to_o be_v term_v principle_n and_o not_o article_n of_o faith_n god_n be_v one_o god_n be_v omnipotent_a god_n be_v truth_n itself_o and_o the_o first_o truth_n that_o reveal_v mystery_n of_o faith_n you_o dare_v not_o deny_v these_o to_o be_v principle_n of_o the_o other_o principle_n and_o yet_o be_v they_o most_o proper_o article_n of_o faith_n as_o you_o dare_v not_o deny_v express_v in_o the_o creed_n itself_o you_o see_v therefore_o your_o distinction_n of_o article_n and_o principle_n of_o faith_n to_o be_v vain_a foolish_a and_o frivolous_a invent_v only_o to_o delude_v your_o less_o careful_a reader_n pilk_n improper_o article_n of_o faith_n be_v call_v whatsoever_o be_v write_v as_o the_o principle_n themselves_o precept_n of_o the_o law_n sermon_n of_o the_o prophet_n history_n of_o both_o testament_n because_o faith_n assent_v to_o every_o
salvation_n that_o he_o be_v baptize_v champ_n it_o seem_v you_o have_v not_o yet_o learned_a the_o rudiment_n of_o your_o religion_n seinge_v you_o number_v this_o position_n among_o those_o that_o you_o esteem_v forge_v against_o you_o see_v therefore_o for_o your_o better_a instruction_n in_o this_o point_n of_o catechism_n your_o grande_fw-fr master_n in_o reformation_n john_n calvin_n in_o antidoto_fw-la concilij_fw-la ad_fw-la sess_z cap._n 5._o and_o lib._n 4._o instit_n cap._n 16._o §_o 24._o 25._o peter_n martyr_n another_o of_o your_o master_n upon_o these_o word_n of_o the_o apostle_n alinqui_fw-la silij_fw-la vesiri_fw-la in_o mundi_fw-la essent_fw-la 1._o cor._n fulke_n marci_n 1_o sect._n 5._o with_o the_o whole_a crew_n of_o puritan_n or_o caluiniste_n or_o if_o you_o will_v not_o look_v so_o far_o see_v the_o first_o day_n conferrence_n of_o hampton_n court_n and_o see_v what_o you_o find_v there_o of_o this_o point_n and_o either_o blush_v at_o your_o ignorance_n in_o the_o principales_fw-la of_o your_o religion_n or_o if_o you_o like_v not_o the_o doctrine_n leave_v the_o company_n where_o it_o be_v teach_v and_o unite_v yourself_o to_o the_o catholic_a church_n where_o it_o be_v abhor_v pilk_n positio_fw-la vii_o matrimony_n contract_v between_o christian_n be_v but_o a_o civil_a contract_n champ_n you_o be_v soon_o weary_a of_o honest_a dealing_v and_o quick_o return_v to_o your_o accustom_a falsification_n i_o do_v blush_v in_o your_o behalf_n that_o i_o be_o force_v to_o tell_v you_o so_o often_o of_o it_o in_o so_o few_o line_n the_o position_n in_o the_o manual_a add_v to_o the_o word_n set_v down_o by_o you_o and_o not_o sacrament_n proper_o which_o if_o you_o have_v add_v you_o will_v have_v be_v ashamed_a to_o have_v say_v the_o position_n to_o be_v forge_v if_o you_o will_v cavil_n &_o say_v that_o though_o it_o be_v no_o sacrament_n yet_o be_v it_o not_o a_o bare_a civil_a contract_n i_o will_v not_o stand_v here_o to_o debate_v that_o question_n with_o you_o be_v not_o material_a to_o my_o purpose_n which_o be_v to_o prove_v matrimony_n to_o be_v a_o sacrament_n accord_v to_o the_o catholic_a doctrine_n above_o and_o beside_o the_o civil_a contract_n therein_o contain_v and_o if_o you_o shall_v be_v urge_v to_o show_v in_o the_o precise_a nature_n of_o matrimony_n any_o thing_n more_o than_o a_o civil_a contract_n seeinge_v you_o deny_v it_o to_o be_v a_o sacrament_n you_o will_v i_o know_v be_v trouble_v and_o will_v not_o easy_o quit_v yourself_o of_o that_o bussine_n and_o calvin_n who_o authority_n be_v of_o some_o weight_n with_o you_o compare_v it_o to_o the_o art_n of_o husbandry_n barbinge_v and_o weavinge_v lib._n 4._o instit_n cap._n 18._o §_o 34._o pilk_n positio_fw-la viii_o baptism_n and_o the_o lord_n supper_n be_v not_o instrument_n of_o grace_n but_o only_o sign_n of_o god_n good_a will_n towards_o we_o or_o mean_n to_o stir_v uppe_o faith_n in_o us._n champ_n here_o again_o i_o be_o constrain_v to_o tell_v you_o of_o your_o false_a dealing_v the_o position_n set_v down_o by_o i_o be_v this_o neither_o baptism_n nor_o the_o other_o sacrament_n of_o the_o new_a law_n give_v grace_n as_o cause_v thereof_o but_o be_v only_o sign_n of_o god_n good_a will_n towards_o we_o or_o mean_n to_o stir_v uppe_o faith_n in_o us._n what_o material_a diversity_n you_o will_v find_v betwixt_o this_o position_n and_o the_o 25._o article_n of_o your_o church_n i_o know_v not_o it_o say_v thus_o sacrament_n be_v not_o only_o badge_n or_o token_n of_o christian_n mens_fw-la profession_n but_o rather_o they_o be_v certain_a sure_a witness_n and_o effectual_a sign_n of_o grace_n and_o god_n goodwill_n towards_o we_o by_o which_o he_o do_v work_v invisiblie_o in_o we_o and_o not_o only_o quicken_v but_o also_o confirm_v and_o stregthen_v our_o faith_n in_o he_o and_o your_o master_n in_o reformation_n calvin_n speak_v yet_o more_o conformablie_o to_o the_o position_n set_v down_o by_o i_o hear_v his_o own_o word_n this_o only_o office_n be_v enjoin_v to_o the_o sacrament_n to_o 17._o witness_v to_o we_o and_o confirm_v in_o we_o god_n good_a will_n and_o again_o the_o sacrament_n be_v to_o we_o from_o god_n as_o be_v messenger_n of_o glad_a bidinge_v from_o man_n or_o as_o a_o earnest_a penny_n in_o strike_a covenant_n as_o not_o geveinge_v any_o grace_n of_o themselves_o but_o declare_v and_o show_v and_o as_o they_o be_v earnest_a money_n or_o token_n do_v ratify_v in_o we_o those_o thing_n which_o by_o god_n liberality_n be_v give_v unto_o us._n and_o for_o more_o clear_a explication_n of_o his_o meaning_n he_o use_v in_o the_o 18._o section_n follwinge_v the_o example_n of_o the_o raynbowe_n and_o of_o gedions_n fleece_n and_o this_o shall_v suffice_v for_o this_o present_a to_o clear_v i_o of_o forgery_n and_o to_o prove_v you_o ignorant_a in_o the_o principales_fw-la of_o your_o own_o erroneous_a doctrine_n unless_o peradventure_o you_o be_v ashamed_a of_o it_o and_o therefore_o deny_v it_o to_o be_v you_o pilk_n positio_fw-la ix_o justification_n be_v only_o remission_n of_o sin_n champ_n you_o be_v as_o obstinate_a in_o false_a dealing_v as_o if_o you_o have_v swear_v never_o to_o deal_v true_o the_o position_n in_o the_o manual_a be_v set_v down_o in_o these_o word_n justification_n be_v only_o the_o remission_n of_o sin_n without_o renmation_n of_o spirit_n or_o interior_a sanctification_n which_o position_n if_o you_o dare_v to_o deny_v to_o be_v true_o protestanticall_a all_o those_o of_o your_o sect_n that_o have_v write_v of_o justification_n will_v condemn_v you_o of_o ignorance_n in_o their_o doctrine_n pilk_n positio_fw-la x._o by_o justification_n sin_n be_v only_o cover_v and_o not_o quite_o take_v away_o champ_n why_o do_v you_o omit_v to_o say_v as_o i_o say_v see_v the_o position_n set_v down_o by_o i_o be_v so_o brief_a in_o these_o word_n by_o justification_n sin_n be_v only_o cover_v or_o not_o impute_v and_o not_o wash_v or_o quite_o take_v away_o sure_o for_o no_o other_o cause_n i_o think_v but_o to_o keep_v yourself_o in_o custom_n with_o clippinge_v and_o gueldinge_n as_o he_o do_v that_o do_v steal_v straw_n to_o keep_v his_o finger_n in_o we_o with_o filchinge_v but_o peradventure_o you_o fear_v the_o word_n not_o impute_v so_o often_o abuse_v by_o your_o master_n and_o the_o word_n wash_v use_v in_o the_o holy_a scripture_n howsoever_o your_o error_n in_o imputinge_v to_o i_o sorgerie_n in_o this_o position_n be_v not_o pardonable_a can_v you_o utter_v one_o position_n but_o with_o manifest_a falsification_n or_o palpable_a ignorance_n or_o both_o read_v only_o the_o second_o article_n of_o luther_n for_o i_o will_v trouble_v you_o with_o no_o more_o be_v referrence_n at_o this_o time_n and_o see_v his_o doctrine_n in_o this_o point_n his_o word_n be_v these_o it_o be_v another_o thing_n that_o all_o sin_n be_v remit_v and_o another_o that_o all_o sin_n be_v take_v away_o baptism_n do_v remit_v all_o but_o it_o take_v none_o quite_o away_o but_o begin_v only_o to_o take_v they_o away_o again_o your_o know_a doctrine_n of_o imputative_a and_o not_o inherent_a justice_n do_v it_o not_o necessary_o enforce_v you_o to_o say_v that_o our_o sin_n be_v only_o cover_v or_o not_o impute_v but_o not_o wash_v and_o quite_o take_v away_o pilk_n positio_fw-la xi_o man_n though_o holpen_v by_o god_n grace_n have_v not_o free_a will_n either_o to_o fly_v ame_fw-fr evil_a or_o to_o do_v good_a avaylinge_v to_o his_o salvation_n but_o in_o both_o be_v force_v to_o do_v that_o which_o god_n have_v ordain_v he_o shall_v do_v champ_n this_o position_n have_v you_o true_o set_v down_o but_o why_o do_v you_o say_v that_o it_o be_v forge_v the_o sole_a title_n of_o your_o first_o master_n luther_n his_o book_n de_fw-fr seruo_fw-la arburio_fw-la may_v have_v teach_v you_o that_o it_o be_v his_o profess_a doctrine_n read_v further_o his_o 36._o article_n where_o beside_o many_o other_o thing_n to_o this_o purpose_n he_o have_v these_o express_a 36_o word_n i_o say_v ill_o that_o freewill_n before_o grace_n be_v a_o mere_a rule_n but_o i_o shall_v have_v say_v that_o frewill_n be_v a_o fiction_n or_o a_o title_n without_o the_o thing_n because_o it_o be_v in_o no_o man_n power_n to_o think_v either_o good_a or_o bad_a but_o all_o thing_n as_o wicleffe_n his_o article_n condemn_v at_o constance_n ri_v helie_o teach_v do_v happen_v by_o absolute_a necessity_n and_o thus_o you_o see_v sir_n your_o catalogue_n of_o antithesis_fw-la and_o roll_v of_o forge_a position_n which_o you_o muster_v in_o the_o begin_v of_o your_o book_n to_o deceive_v your_o l●sse_n wary_a reader_n and_o disgrace_v your_o adversary_n be_v blow_v away_o more_o easy_o than_o a_o cop-webb_n be_v break_v with_o the_o wind_n to_o your_o own_o irrecoverable_a disgrace_n and_o
break_v all_o your_o battery_n like_v as_o if_o they_o be_v ball_n of_o sand_n cast_v against_o a_o brazen_a wall_n and_o therefore_o the_o conclusion_n build_v upon_o it_o will_v neither_o of_o themselves_o nor_o yet_o by_o all_o your_o force_n fall_v to_o the_o ground_n but_o will_v stand_v firm_a and_o strong_a pilk_n first_o that_o the_o scripture_n be_v not_o the_o universal_a rule_n of_o faith_n a_o position_n so_o derogatory_n to_o the_o 19_o testament_n of_o christ_n and_o so_o contrary_a to_o the_o doctrine_n of_o the_o ancient_a church_n that_o i_o wonder_n how_o you_o dare_v venture_v upon_o it_o for_o the_o rule_n whereunto_o nothing_o must_v be_v add_v nothing_o 1._o detract_v be_v a_o universal_a and_o persecte_a rule_n such_o be_v the_o scripture_n which_o be_v aquinas_n collection_n ●_o tim._n 6._o for_o if_o any_o addition_n or_o detraction_n may_v be_v make_v in_o the_o scripture_n they_o can_v not_o be_v the_o rule_n at_o all_o as_o in_o a_o rule_n say_v photicus_fw-la if_o you_o add_v or_o diminish_v any_o thing_n you_o corrupt_v the_o whole_a and_o a_o rule_n say_v theophilact_v neither_o have_v augmentation_n nor_o diminution_n so_o be_v it_o in_o the_o scripture_n which_o chrisostome_n term_v the_o most_o experte_a rule_n canon_n and_o gnomon_n that_o can_v be_v if_o it_o admit_v any_o supply_n it_o can_v not_o be_v the_o rule_n at_o all_o and_o if_o we_o must_v not_o be_v wise_a in_o matter_n divine_a above_o that_o which_o be_v write_v then_o that_o which_o be_v write_v be_v the_o rule_n of_o our_o wisdom_n and_o faith_n but_o s._n paul_n forbid_v 6_o that_o rankness_n of_o wit_n to_o inquire_v further_o than_o that_o which_o be_v write_v this_o s._n aug._n collect_v out_o of_o this_o place_n the_o holy_a scripture_n do_v prefix_v 1._o unto_o we_o the_o rule_n of_o our_o faith_n lest_o we_o shall_v presume_v to_o be_v more_o wise_a than_o behove_v but_o as_o he_o say_v let_v we_o be_v wise_a unto_o sobriety_n as_o god_n have_v divide_v unto_o every_o one_o the_o measure_n of_o faith_n final_o if_o our_o faith_n do_v last_o resolve_v itself_o into_o the_o scripture_n only_o than_o they_o alone_o be_v the_o rule_n and_o nothing_o can_v be_v find_v more_o universal_a but_o this_o be_v grant_v by_o your_o best_a divine_n champ_n till_o it_o be_v prove_v by_o express_a scripture_n that_o the_o scripture_n be_v the_o universal_a rule_n of_o our_o say_v or_o that_o nothing_o be_v to_o be_v believe_v but_o that_o which_o be_v prove_v by_o scripture_n you_o can_v true_o say_v that_o my_o position_n be_v derogatory_n to_o the_o testament_n of_o christ_n and_o because_o it_o can_v never_o be_v prove_v by_o scripture_n that_o nothing_o be_v to_o be_v believe_v but_o that_o which_o be_v prove_v by_o express_a scripture_n your_o position_n be_v heretical_a the_o contrary_a thereof_o be_v clearelie_o testify_v by_o the_o scripture_n as_o shall_v appear_v in_o the_o first_o and_o second_o controversy_n unto_o which_o place_n i_o will_v refer_v you_o for_o answer_v to_o your_o argument_n which_o you_o there_o repeat_v as_o the_o more_o proper_a place_n only_o i_o will_v not_o omit_v to_o tell_v you_o here_o that_o you_o lose_v your_o credit_n with_o all_o man_n by_o utteringe_v such_o know_a untruth_n as_o that_o the_o best_a of_o our_o divine_n do_v grant_n the_o ●ast_a resolution_n of_o our_o faith_n to_o ●ee_n into_o the_o scripture_n only_o you_o shall_v have_v name_v some_o one_o author_n at_o least_o to_o have_v give_v credit_n to_o your_o assertion_n pilk_n what_o then_o be_v the_o rule_n that_o be_v more_o universal_a the_o authority_n of_o the_o church_n say_v you_o tradition_n say_v bellarmine_n the_o faith_n of_o the_o 12._o church_n that_o be_v write_v in_o the_o heart_n of_o the_o faithful_a say_v stapleton_n so_o friendly_a do_v the_o patron_n of_o this_o error_n accord_n as_o if_o that_o curse_n 1._o wherewith_o god_n threaten_v the_o egyptian_n have_v fall_v upon_o they_o i_o will_v set_v egyptian_n against_o egyptian_n they_o shall_v fight_v every_o one_o against_o his_o neighbour_n for_o if_o the_o authority_n of_o the_o church_n do_v make_v uppe_o the_o rule_n tradition_n do_v not_o be_v two_o thing_n as_o different_a as_o the_o fountain_n &_o the_o stream_n the_o fruit_n and_o the_o tree_n for_o tradition_n flow_v from_o the_o authority_n of_o the_o church_n say_v stapleton_n authority_n of_o the_o church_n be_v the_o church_n testimony_n tradition_n be_v doctrine_n not_o a_o testimony_n only_o this_o therefore_o be_v neither_o a_o more_o universal_a rule_n nor_o yet_o before_o it_o which_o be_v your_o second_o conclusion_n and_o which_o if_o it_o be_v true_a the_o church_n shall_v be_v summa_fw-la &_o prima_fw-la veritas_fw-la for_o that_o for_o which_o we_o must_v believe_v the_o gospel_n and_o it_o for_o itself_o be_v the_o high_a and_o first_o truth_n but_o you_o papi_v say_v so_o of_o the_o church_n therefore_o you_o have_v deify_v and_o change_v it_o into_o the_o deity_n and_o so_o make_v it_o of_o beth●●●●_n and_o house_n of_o god_n to_o be_v bethanan_n the_o house_n of_o iniquity_n champ_n there_o be_v as_o much_o diversity_n or_o discord_n between_o all_o these_o say_n of_o we_o as_o a_o good_a logician_n will_v find_v between_o vivens_fw-la ●en●●●ns_n 〈◊〉_d in●e●●●●ns_n which_o be_v ●ubalterna_fw-la be_v not_o in_o any_o man_n brain_n dispara●a_o or_o opposita_fw-la unless_o in_o you_o which_o be_v often_o contrary_a to_o itself_o both_o tradtion_n therefore_o and_o the_o authority_n of_o the_o church_n be_v more_o universal_a rule_n they_o the_o scripture_n and_o though_o the_o one_o of_o they_o be_v more_o universal_a and_o before_o the_o other_o yet_o neither_o of_o they_o be_v summa_fw-la or_o prima_fw-la veritas_fw-la as_o you_o most_o ignorantlie_o affirm_v in_o the_o precedent_a section_n of_o the_o scripture_n for_o the_o which_o intolerable_a ignorance_n you_o be_v justly_o reprehend_v there_o nor_o either_o of_o they_o be_v believe_v for_o itself_o but_o for_o the_o testimony_n of_o god_n revelinge_v their_o verity_n who_o only_o be_v believe_v for_o himself_o and_o his_o own_o essential_a truth_n and_o verity_n and_o therefore_o your_o childish_a inference_n of_o changinge_v bethell_n into_o bethanan_n be_v a_o ridiculous_a conclusion_n of_o your_o own_o ignorant_a premise_n or_o a_o dream_n of_o your_o own_o idle_a and_o empty_a brain_n but_o you_o will_v bring_v more_o solid_a stuff_n hereafter_o let_v we_o hear_v the_o rest_n pilk_n beside_o if_o it_o be_v demand_v from_o whence_o the_o church_n have_v an●e_v such_o authority_n it_o be_v answer_v from_o the_o scripture_n for_o which_o be_v produce_v sundry_a testimony_n he_o that_o hear_v you_o hear_v i_o go_v teach_v all_o nation_n if_o then_o the_o life_n of_o this_o authority_n be_v maintain_v and_o support_v by_o the_o scripture_n they_o be_v the_o rule_n and_o measure_n of_o she_o and_o so_o before_o she_o and_o not_o reciprocalli●_n measure_v by_o she_o champ_n when_o it_o be_v demand_v by_o such_o as_o pretend_v to_o believe_v the_o scripture_n as_o you_o make_v show_v to_o do_v and_o yet_o deny_v the_o church_n authority_n as_o you_o heretical_o do_v what_o proof_n there_o be_v of_o the_o church_n authority_n the_o scripture_n be_v right_o produce_v for_o the_o proof_n thereof_o not_o that_o thou_o have_v her_o authority_n from_o the_o scripture_n as_o you_o either_o ignorantlie_o or_o negligent_o say_v for_o her_o authority_n she_o have_v from_o god_n the_o author_n of_o all_o power_n and_o authority_n but_o that_o this_o authority_n i●_n testify_v by_o the_o scripture_n and_o marvel_v it_o be_v to_o i_o that_o you_o yourself_o find_v and_o feelinge_v such_o testimony_n of_o holy_a scripture_n for_o the_o church_n authority_n as_o you_o cite_v in_o this_o place_n do_v not_o yet_o cease_v to_o impugn_v it_o but_o the_o truth_n be_v you_o believe_v and_o follow_v the_o scripture_n so_o far_o as_o yourself_o list_v only_o and_o no_o far_o on_o the_o other_o side_n when_o it_o be_v demand_v by_o such_o as_o believe_v neither_o scripture_n nor_o the_o church_n but_o yet_o seek_v some_o ground_n of_o christian_n belief_n it_o will_v be_v a_o ridiculous_a thing_n to_o prove_v the_o church_n by_o the_o scripture_n seinge_v they_o be_v write_v teach_v and_o preach_v by_o the_o ministry_n of_o man_n whereof_o the_o church_n consist_v and_o do_v consist_v many_o hundred_o of_o year_n before_o there_o be_v any_o scripture_n at_o all_o in_o this_o case_n therefore_o it_o be_v clear_a that_o the_o church_n have_v other_o proof_n then_o from_o the_o scripture_n and_o before_o the_o scripture_n which_o in_o that_o case_n must_v be_v prove_v by_o the_o church_n but_o what_o this_o proof_n be_v and_o whence_o it_o be_v take_v pertain_v not_o to_o this_o place_n to_o say_v yet_o whatsoever_o it_o
the_o other_o be_v a_o mere_a denial_n or_o negation_n of_o faith_n of_o a_o positive_a article_n and_o be_v as_o well_o in_o horse_n or_o ass_n as_o in_o man_n only_o with_o this_o difference_n that_o man_n be_v capable_a and_o may_v have_v the_o contrary_a positive_a act_n but_o horse_n and_o ass_n can_v if_o your_o faith_n therefore_o of_o the_o negative_a article_n which_o you_o hold_v be_v of_o the_o first_o kind_n you_o be_v bind_v to_o prove_v it_o by_o positive_a testimony_n of_o holy_a scripture_n if_o it_o be_v only_o of_o the_o second_o kind_n then_o have_v you_o no_o more_o faith_n in_o these_o article_n than_o have_v horse_n ass_n or_o other_o brute_n beast_n now_o to_o the_o father_n testimony_n so_o far_o as_o they_o may_v seem_v to_o make_v any_o thing_n against_o the_o catholic_a doctrine_n of_o tradition_n or_o the_o church_n authority_n i_o answer_v suppose_v they_o sound_v as_o you_o set_v they_o down_o which_o i_o will_v not_o stand_v to_o examine_v sympron_n here_o that_o whatsoever_o be_v prove_v by_o tradition_n or_o the_o church_n judgement_n be_v warrant_v by_o the_o scripture_n which_o give_v testimony_n to_o the_o church_n and_o tradition_n which_o answer_n be_v s._n august_n lib._n 1._o cont_n crescon_n cap._n 33._o pilk_n therefore_o concern_v the_o proof_n of_o our_o faith_n in_o the_o negative_a point_n of_o purgatory_n real_a presence_n sacrifice_n of_o the_o mass_n since_o there_o be_v no_o footinge_v for_o they_o in_o the_o word_n of_o god_n we_o answer_v with_o basill_n that_o it_o be_v not_o faith_n but_o a_o manifest_a defection_n from_o faith_n to_o deny_v that_o which_o be_v write_v or_o to_o bring_v in_o any_o thing_n that_o be_v not_o write_v where_o as_o christ_n jesus_n our_o lord_n say_v my_o sheep_n hear_v my_o voice_n champ_n the_o judicious_a reader_n shall_v be_v judge_v whether_o these_o catholic_a article_n have_v not_o much_o fast_o footinge_v in_o the_o holy_a scripture_n than_o your_o contiarie_n negative_n neither_o do_v s._n basill_n any_o way_n favour_v you_o for_o he_o confirminge_v his_o say_v with_o these_o word_n of_o our_o saviour_n my_o sheep_n hear_v my_o voice_n exclude_v not_o that_o word_n of_o our_o saviour_n which_o be_v more_o proper_o his_o word_n then_o the_o scripture_n for_o he_o say_v not_o my_o scripture_n but_o my_o sheep_n hear_v my_o voice_n therefore_o he_o speak_v of_o the_o voice_n as_o it_o be_v deliver_v by_o word_n and_o not_o as_o it_o be_v write_v pilk_n and_o yet_o to_o satisfy_v you_o we_o shall_v find_v sufficient_a weapon_n out_o of_o the_o scripture_n to_o lay_v these_o anekim_v on_o the_o ground_n now_o as_o the_o roman_a emperor_n that_o mean_v to_o subdue_v germany_n bring_v out_o his_o army_n and_o put_v they_o in_o array_n upon_o the_o sea_n shore_n and_o present_o charge_v they_o to_o gather_v shell_n tell_v they_o that_o they_o be_v spoil_n of_o the_o ocean_n due_a to_o the_o capitol_n so_o you_o have_v marshal_v your_o force_n and_o put_v they_o in_o order_n tell_v your_o reader_n that_o the_o whole_a body_n of_o they_o be_v but_o a_o skeleton_n bare_a bone_n tie_v together_o with_o dry_a sinew_n and_o then_o without_o question_n you_o will_v attain_v a_o glorious_a victory_n and_o bring_v spoil_n fit_a for_o the_o vatican_n yet_o you_o doubt_v not_o but_o your_o treatise_n will_v please_v some_o man_n appetite_n and_o i_o be_o of_o your_o mind_n for_o like_a lip_n like_o lettuce_n thus_o from_o your_o prolusion_n i_o come_v to_o your_o main_n battaille_n which_o thus_o you_o begin_v champ_n what_o sharp_a weapon_n you_o will_v find_v in_o the_o scripture_n for_o your_o negative_a faith_n or_o no_o belief_n i_o will_v with_o patience_n expect_v and_o have_v with_o all_o indifferency_n ponder_v they_o i_o will_v tell_v you_o with_o all_o sincerity_n what_o weight_n they_o be_v of_o in_o my_o judgement_n in_o the_o mean_a time_n i_o must_v tell_v you_o that_o your_o conclusion_n seem_v to_o i_o as_o little_a witty_a as_o all_o the_o rest_n of_o your_o discourse_n be_v learned_a and_o therefore_o find_v by_o the_o little_a experience_n i_o have_v of_o you_o that_o such_o lettuce_n suit_n well_o with_o your_o lip_n i_o leave_v they_o whole_o to_o yourself_o manual_a the_o first_o controversy_n it_o be_v know_v that_o the_o catholic_a roman_a church_n do_v admit_v more_o book_n and_o parcelle_v of_o holy_a bible_n for_o scripture_n then_o the_o protestant_n do_v and_o consequent_o acknowledge_v a_o large_a canon_n than_o they_o and_o yet_o notwithstanding_o she_o teach_v pilk_n the_o grecian_n be_v ever_o child_n right_o fit_v you_o romanist_n that_o still_o lisp_v like_o little_a child_n and_o excellentlie_o speak_v without_o sense_n for_o to_o say_v the_o catholic_a roman_a church_n be_v as_o good_a sense_n as_o the_o universal_a particular_a church_n champ_n it_o be_v your_o dull_a understand_v and_o not_o our_o lisp_a language_n that_o make_v these_o word_n the_o catholic_a roman_a ●hur●h_o without_o sense_n to_o you_o for_o the_o attribute_n roman_a do_v not_o restrain_v any_o whit_n the_o amplitude_n of_o the_o signification_n of_o that_o word_n catholic_a or_o universal_a either_o in_o respect_n of_o time_n or_o place_n as_o you_o ignorantlie_o imagine_v but_o do_v only_o distinguish_v it_o from_o all_o such_o sect_n as_o false_o and_o presumptuous_o term_v themselves_o catholic_a but_o dare_v not_o call_v themselves_o roman_n or_o roman_a catholic_n as_o in_o former_a age_n the_o word_n catholic_a be_v add_v to_o the_o name_n christian_n for_o the_o same_o purpose_n as_o ancient_a pacianus_n signify_v therefore_o when_o we_o say_v a_o roman_a catholic_a we_o will_v say_v no_o more_o but_o a_o true_a and_o not_o a_o false_o term_v catholic_a and_o because_o you_o be_v a_o member_n of_o one_o of_o those_o sect_n which_o be_v descry_v by_o this_o word_n roman_a you_o hate_v it_o as_o thief_n hate_v the_o light_n whereby_o they_o be_v discover_v pilk_n for_o who_o can_v conceive_v the_o catholic_a church_n to_o be_v roman_a which_o be_v in_o the_o world_n before_o rome_n itself_o be_v for_o it_o be_v the_o general_a assembly_n of_o the_o saint_n heb._n 12._o ●3_n from_o able_a the_o first_o just_a unto_o the_o last_o that_o shall_v believe_v in_o christ_n as_o s._n aug_n speak_v moreover_o all_o the_o nation_n in_o the_o world_n not_o the_o roman_n be_v promise_v to_o christ_n psal_n 2._o ask_v of_o i_o and_o i_o will_v give_v thou_o the_o gentile_n for_o thy_o inheritance_n and_o the_o uttermost_a part_n of_o the_o earth_n for_o thy_o possession_n and_o so_o s._n aug_n write_v that_o god_n promise_v to_o the_o seed_n of_o abraham_n not_o the_o roman_n but_o all_o the_o gentiles_n and_o seal_v it_o with_o a_o oath_n by_o which_o promise_n it_o come_v to_o pass_v that_o many_o nation_n not_o contain_v under_o the_o roman_a jurisdiction_n receive_v the_o gospel_n and_o be_v join_v unto_o the_o church_n champ_n 16._o there_o be_v no_o great_a difficulty_n to_o conceive_v how_o the_o catholic_a church_n may_v be_v call_v roman_a then_o how_o the_o christian_n church_n which_o denomination_n begin_v first_o at_o antioch_n be_v call_v catholic_a and_o if_o you_o will_v know_v he_o reason_n why_o it_o be_v denominate_v of_o rome_n rather_o than_o of_o antioch_n or_o jerusalem_n it_o be_v because_o s._n peter_n who_o be_v bishop_n of_o rome_n receive_v promise_v of_o our_o saviour_n christ_n that_o his_o church_n shall_v be_v build_v upon_o he_o as_o upon_o a_o firm_a rock_n and_o that_o hell_n gate_n shall_v never_o prevail_v against_o it_o which_o promise_n our_o saviour_n christ_n have_v perform_v it_o be_v come_v to_o pass_v that_o the_o church_n of_o christ_n which_o be_v first_o call_v christian_n than_o catholic_a be_v now_o call_v roman_a and_o thus_o much_o for_o the_o name_n roman_n now_o i_o will_v have_v you_o mark_v that_o whatsoever_o you_o say_v in_o proof_n of_o this_o attribute_n catholic_a you_o say_v in_o condemnation_n of_o your_o own_o protestanticall_a assembly_n which_o be_v never_o hear_v of_o before_o martin_n luther_n no_o more_o than_o the_o arrian_n be_v before_o arrius_n and_o the_o rest_n of_o the_o sect_n and_o heresy_n before_o their_o master_n and_o author_n which_o one_o argument_n have_v you_o but_o any_o indifferency_n join_v with_o any_o mean_a judgement_n will_v be_v sufficient_a to_o make_v you_o detest_v the_o felloweshippe_n of_o such_o new_a master_n pilk_n beside_o the_o modern_a roman_a church_n have_v make_v a_o defection_n from_o that_o which_o the_o primative_a roman_a church_n maintain_v in_o so_o much_o that_o s._n paul_n epistle_n write_v to_o the_o ancient_a roman_n may_v justly_o be_v call_v a_o antilogie_n of_o that_o religion_n which_o now_o be_v profess_v in_o the_o city_n of_o rome_n champ_n some_o substantial_a proof_n
teach_v more_o thing_n by_o word_n o●_n mouth_n than_o he_o write_v which_o be_v my_o position_n it_o now_o belong_v to_o you_o either_o to_o grant_v my_o position_n to_o be_v true_a or_o to_o prove_v by_o scripture_n that_o the_o rest_n of_o the_o apostle_n write_v that_o which_o he_o teach_v by_o word_n of_o mouth_n and_o omit_v to_o write_v for_o to_o say_v it_o only_o without_o proof_n yea_o and_o such_o as_o you_o require_v of_o your_o adversary_n be_v to_o make_v your_o own_o affirmation_n à_fw-fr law_n and_o rule_n of_o your_o faith_n which_o though_o it_o appear_v well_o to_o be_v so_o to_o yourself_o yet_o will_v it_o not_o be_v admit_v of_o other_o and_o if_o i_o shall_v here_o again_o press_v you_o with_o your_o own_o rule_n non_fw-la eredimus_fw-la quia_fw-la non_fw-la ●eg●nous_a you_o will_v find_v ei_fw-la 〈…〉_z your_o rule_n too_o strict_a or_o your_o assertion_n here_o that_o the_o other_o apostle_n commit_v to_o write_n that_o which_o s._n john_n teach_v by_o word_n and_o omit_v to_o write_v to_o be_v false_a choose_v whether_o part_n you_o will_n you_o see_v therefore_o that_o my_o reasoninge_a be_v not_o loose_a but_o that_o your_o judgement_n thereon_o be_v light_n your_o reason_n follow_v be_v a_o miserable_a beg_a of_o that_o which_o be_v in_o question_n and_o which_o you_o shall_v prove_v and_o be_v more_o easy_o and_o true_o deny_v then_o affirm_v and_o for_o your_o better_a instruction_n i_o wish_v you_o to_o mark_v a_o little_a more_o diligent_o the_o word_n of_o the_o apostle_n and_o you_o will_v as_o i_o suppose_v perceive_v the_o argument_n to_o be_v of_o more_o force_n than_o you_o take_v it_o to_o be_v of_o unless_o you_o dissemble_v for_o he_o givinge_v the_o reason_n why_o he_o will_v not_o use_v paper_n and_o ink_n to_o make_v know_v unto_o they_o to_o who_o he_o write_v those_o thing_n which_o he_o have_v to_o teach_v they_o he_o say_v not_o that_o it_o be_v for_o that_o either_o he_o himself_o or_o any_o of_o the_o other_o apostle_n have_v or_o will_v set_v they_o down_o in_o write_n but_o because_o he_o hope_v to_o be_v with_o they_o and_o to_o speak_v unto_o they_o mouth_n to_o mouth_n manual_a proof_n 2._o and_o the_o rest_n i_o will_v dispose_v when_o i_o come_v where_o the_o apostle_n evident_o show_v that_o he_o reserve_v something_o more_o to_o be_v ordain_v by_o word_n than_o he_o write_v pilk_n this_o be_v little_a to_o the_o purpose_n for_o the_o apostle_n do_v not_o there_o speak_v of_o matter_n of_o faith_n which_o be_v our_o question_n but_o of_o such_o thing_n as_o belong_v to_o order_n and_o comeliness_n as_o it_o be_v plain_a by_o the_o word_n in_o greek_a which_o proper_o signify_v orderinge_v of_o rite_n and_o matter_n of_o decency_n not_o teachinge_a of_o doctrine_n and_o matter_n of_o faith_n as_o appear_v 〈◊〉_d the_o same_o epist_n cap._n 16._o 1._o concern_v the_o gather_n for_o the_o saint_n as_o i_o have_v give_v order_n to_o the_o church_n of_o galatia_n even_o so_o do_v you_o the_o locum_fw-la rest_n say_v aquinas_n videlicet_fw-la these_o thing_n that_o be_v not_o of_o such_o danger_n will_v i_o dispose_v of_o when_o i_o come_v how_o you_o shall_v observe_v they_o but_o let_v it_o be_v grant_v that_o he_o mean_v doctrine_n and_o matter_n of_o faith_n it_o be_v a_o inference_n without_o coherence_n that_o because_o he_o write_v they_o not_o then_o therefore_o he_o do_v omit_v they_o for_o ever_o or_o because_o he_o write_v they_o not_o therefore_o the_o rest_n be_v silent_a and_o write_v they_o not_o when_o you_o consider_v of_o these_o consequence_n than_o you_o may_v see_v that_o it_o be_v as_o far_o from_o your_o purpose_n as_o gades_n be_v from_o ganges_n champ_n your_o second_o answer_n to_o this_o testimony_n be_v effectual_o frustrate_v in_o my_o reply_n to_o your_o answer_n of_o the_o precedent_a testimony_n and_o therefore_o need_v no_o further_a confutation_n your_o former_a answer_n admittinge_n it_o in_o your_o own_o sense_n do_v expresselie_o grant_v tradition_n in_o matter_n to_o be_v observe_v and_o practise_v in_o the_o church_n which_o seeinge_v they_o concern_v the_o use_n of_o the_o sacrament_n and_o other_o holy_a observation_n to_o be_v keep_v by_o all_o christian_n establish_v and_o ordain_v by_o the_o apostle_n by_o the_o express_a commandment_n of_o our_o saviour_n christ_n matt._n 28._o 20._o i_o will_v know_v of_o you_o some_o reason_n why_o you_o deny_v the_o authority_n of_o tradition_n in_o thing_n to_o be_v believe_v and_o grant_v they_o in_o matter_n to_o be_v do_v and_o observe_v will_v you_o say_v that_o they_o be_v more_o fallible_a in_o the_o one_o then_o in_o the_o other_o to_o say_v this_o only_o without_o some_o ground_n or_o reason_n will_v have_v small_a grace_n or_o force_v manual_a proof_n 3._o the_o apostle_n be_v command_v to_o teach_v all_o nation_n to_o observe_v all_o thing_n which_o our_o saviour_n have_v command_v which_o doubtless_o they_o fulfil_v but_o they_o be_v not_o command_v in_o any_o place_n to_o write_v all_o the_o same_o neither_o do_v it_o appear_v by_o any_o scripture_n that_o they_o do_v write_v all_o thing_n which_o they_o teach_v man_n to_o believe_v and_o observe_v this_o be_v a_o demonstration_n that_o they_o teach_v more_o than_o they_o write_v if_o nothing_o be_v to_o believe_v but_o that_o which_o be_v contain_v in_o holy_a scripture_n pilk_n that_o christ_n charge_v the_o apostle_n to_o teach_v all_o nation_n whatsoever_o he_o command_v which_o they_o fulfil_v also_o but_o he_o charge_v they_o no_o where_o to_o 1._o write_v all_o the_o father_n shall_v answer_v we_o know_v not_o the_o dispensinge_v of_o our_o salvation_n from_o any_o where_o then_o from_o they_o by_o who_o the_o gospel_n come_v to_o we_o which_o then_o they_o preach_v and_o after_o by_o the_o will_n of_o god_n deliver_v unto_o we_o in_o the_o holy_a scripture_n to_o be_v the_o foundation_n and_o pillar_n of_o our_o ult._n say_v s._n aug._n say_v that_o when_o the_o evangelist_n and_o apostle_n do_v write_v what_o god_n show_v and_o say_v we_o may_v not_o say_v that_o he_o write_v it_o not_o for_o whatsoever_o he_o will_v have_v we_o to_o read_v either_o concern_v his_o word_n or_o work_n he_o command_v they_o as_o his_o own_o hand_n to_o write_v it_o if_o what_o the_o apostle_n preach_v after_o they_o write_v as_o ireneus_fw-la say_v if_o what_o god_n command_v they_o so_o to_o do_v as_o s._n august_n avouch_v then_o it_o plain_o follow_v that_o they_o write_v as_o much_o as_o they_o preach_v and_o that_o not_o only_o by_o the_o allowance_n but_o by_o the_o commandment_n of_o our_o saviour_n christ_n for_o they_o write_v nothing_o but_o that_o with_o which_o they_o pon●_n be_v inspire_v now_o inspiration_n be_v a_o commandment_n as_o bellarmine_n confess_v champ_n stand_v to_o your_o ground_n and_o do_v not_o flinche_v from_o it_o you_o say_v nothing_o be_v to_o be_v believe_v but_o that_o which_o be_v write_v if_o you_o will_v therefore_o that_o it_o shall_v be_v believe_v that_o the_o apostle_n write_v all_o thing_n they_o teach_v show_v it_o write_v or_o acknowledge_v your_o ground_n to_o be_v false_a the_o scripture_n testify_v that_o the_o aposty_n be_v command_v to_o teach_v all_o thing_n necessary_a to_o be_v observe_v but_o that_o they_o be_v command_v to_o write_v the_o same_o it_o no_o where_o appear_v if_o therefore_o they_o do_v it_o either_o they_o do_v it_o by_o christ_n commandment_n and_o then_o you_o must_v needs_o confess_v something_o necessary_a to_o be_v believe_v more_o than_o be_v write_v for_o it_o be_v no_o where_o write_v that_o he_o command_v they_o to_o write_v all_o thing_n they_o teach_v or_o they_o do_v it_o without_o his_o commandment_n and_o then_o it_o be_v not_o necessary_a they_o shall_v do_v it_o and_o consequent_o be_v it_o not_o necessary_a there_o shall_v be_v any_o thing_n write_v at_o all_o in_o the_o new_a testament_n and_o though_o they_o write_v nothing_o but_o that_o be_v inspire_v into_o they_o yea_o &_o that_o they_o be_v inspire_v to_o write_v both_o which_o thing_n you_o believe_v though_o you_o find_v neither_o of_o they_o write_v yet_o it_o no_o where_o appear_v that_o they_o be_v inspire_v to_o write_v all_o they_o have_v by_o inspiration_n you_o say_v the_o father_n shall_v answer_v for_o you_o but_o i_o receive_v not_o their_o answer_n as_o sufficient_a unless_o you_o will_v stand_v to_o the_o father_n testimony_n in_o all_o other_o point_n you_o promise_v scripture_n for_o all_o your_o position_n perform_v therefore_o your_o promise_n or_o confess_v your_o position_n of_o beleevinge_v nothing_o but_o that_o which_o be_v write_v to_o be_v false_a notwithstanding_o because_o the_o testimony_n of_o the_o father_n be_v venerable_a with_o i_o i_o will_v not_o
it_o necessary_a to_o believe_v that_o they_o write_v the_o word_n thereof_o and_o then_o it_o be_v not_o to_o the_o purpose_n to_o prove_v your_o position_n which_o be_v of_o thing_n to_o be_v believe_v and_o not_o of_o word_n but_o if_o by_o the_o creed_n you_o understande_v the_o matter_n of_o it_o and_o thing_n to_o be_v believe_v than_o it_o be_v untrue_a that_o the_o apostle_n write_v it_o not_o and_o all_o thing_n contain_v therein_o which_o thing_n have_v continue_v in_o our_o church_n as_o the_o object_n of_o our_o faith_n not_o for_o tradition_n only_o as_o you_o ignorant_o say_v but_o because_o they_o be_v record_v in_o the_o holy_a scripture_n champ_n show_v i_o then_o in_o their_o write_n i_o mean_v the_o apostle_n the_o dissension_n of_o our_o saviour_n into_o hell_n and_o the_o catholic_a church_n which_o luther_n love_v so_o little_a that_o he_o turn_v it_o the_o christian_n church_n though_o we_o believe_v not_o only_o the_o parcel_n of_o the_o creed_n but_o the_o whole_a creed_n together_o and_o that_o the_o apostle_n make_v it_o which_o be_v no_o where_o express_v in_o scripture_n and_o if_o i_o say_v ignorantlie_o that_o the_o creed_n as_o it_o be_v compose_v by_o the_o apostle_n and_o therefore_o receive_v and_o believe_v of_o all_o christian_n in_o all_o age_n have_v continue_v in_o the_o church_n until_o this_o day_n by_o tradition_n only_o show_v it_o i_o write_v in_o the_o scripture_n and_o i_o will_v confess_v my_o ignorance_n and_o correct_v my_o word_n but_o seeinge_v you_o can_v perform_v that_o i_o tell_v you_o that_o you_o impudent_o affirm_v that_o it_o have_v other_o continuance_n then_o by_o tradition_n opposinge_v tradition_n to_o the_o canonical_a scripture_n only_o manual_a proof_n 7._o they_o teach_v baptism_n administer_v by_o heretic_n to_o be_v good_a and_o therefore_o s._n aug._n speak_v thereof_o say_v many_o thing_n which_o 7._o be_v not_o find_v in_o the_o apostle_n write_n nor_o in_o the_o latter_a counsel_n yet_o because_o they_o be_v observe_v by_o the_o whole_a church_n be_v believe_v to_o be_v deliver_v and_o recommend_v by_o none_o but_o by_o they_o again_o he_o say_v there_o be_v many_o thing_n which_o the_o whole_a church_n do_v hold_v and_o therefore_o be_v well_o believe_v to_o be_v command_v by_o the_o apostle_n albeyt_v they_o be_v not_o find_v write_v pilk_n that_o baptism_n minister_v by_o heretic_n be_v preach_v by_o the_o apostle_n but_o not_o write_v have_v as_o much_o truth_n as_o the_o rest_n for_o whereas_o cyprian_a have_v teach_v that_o baptism_n of_o heretic_n be_v not_o good_a and_o therefore_o to_o be_v reiterated_a s._n aug._n cross_v he_o and_o prove_v the_o contrary_a out_o of_o the_o gospel_n and_o out_o of_o the_o word_n of_o the_o apostle_n ephe._n 4._o and_o this_o be_v so_o frequent_a with_o that_o father_n that_o it_o make_v i_o think_v you_o have_v not_o read_v he_o of_o that_o argument_n but_o glean_v out_o of_o other_o that_o may_v serve_v your_o turn_n so_o palpable_o be_v you_o deceive_v to_o think_v that_o s._n august_n conceive_v this_o to_o be_v a_o unwritten_a tradition_n without_o ground_n of_o scripture_n for_o thus_o he_o write_v that_o i_o may_v not_o seem_v to_o prove_v it_o by_o humane_a argument_n i_o will_v bring_v forth_o certain_a document_n out_o of_o the_o scripture_n and_o whereas_o cyprian_n have_v teach_v that_o for_o proof_n of_o this_o we_o must_v have_v recourse_n unto_o the_o fountain_n of_o apostolical_a tradition_n that_o be_v the_o scripture_n s._n aug_n approve_v it_o and_o say_v that_o the_o apostle_n deliver_v that_o there_o be_v one_o god_n one_o christ_n one_o baptism_n and_o therefore_o baptism_n of_o heretic_n be_v firm_a and_o not_o to_o be_v repeat_v when_o then_o he_o say_v of_o this_o as_o of_o other_o thing_n that_o they_o be_v not_o find_v in_o the_o apostle_n write_n nor_o in_o latter_a counsel_n etc._n etc._n and_o there_o be_v many_o thing_n which_o the_o whole_a church_n do_v hold_v and_o therefore_o be_v well_o believe_v to_o be_v commend_v by_o the_o apostle_n albeyt_v they_o be_v not_o find_v write_v which_o word_n be_v in_o his_o 2._o book_n contra_fw-la donatistas_n it_o cap._n 7._o and_o not_o lib._n 5._o cap._n 27._o as_o you_o cite_v they_o his_o meaning_n be_v they_o be_v not_o write_v in_o so_o many_o word_n but_o the_o ground_n of_o they_o be_v lay_v in_o the_o scripture_n and_o thence_o necessary_o they_o may_v be_v conclude_v this_o be_v plain_a out_o of_o aug._n for_o have_v utter_v these_o word_n urge_v by_o you_o when_o he_o draw_v to_o a_o end_n of_o this_o disputation_n he_o thus_o conclude_v it_o may_v suffice_v that_o our_o reason_n be_v so_o often_o repeat_v and_o diverselie_o debate_v and_o handle_v in_o disputinge_n and_o the_o document_n of_o holy_a scripture_n be_v add_v and_o so_o many_o testimony_n of_o cyprian_a concurringe_n by_o this_o time_n i_o think_v the_o weak_a sort_n of_o man_n understande_v that_o the_o baptism_n of_o christ_n can_v be_v violate_v by_o the_o perverseness_n of_o the_o party_n that_o give_v or_o receive_v it_o loe_o how_o be_v bring_v document_n out_o of_o scripture_n to_o prove_v that_o the_o perverseness_n of_o heretic_n pervert_v not_o the_o baptism_n of_o christ_n and_o therefore_o baptism_n minister_v by_o heretic_n be_v good_a champ_n be_v it_o be_v write_v by_o the_o apostle_n that_o the_o baptism_n of_o heretic_n be_v sufficient_a and_o not_o to_o be_v reiterated_a why_o do_v not_o you_o show_v the_o place_n and_o confound_v your_o adversary_n but_o you_o have_v rather_o impudent_o affirm_v a_o untruth_n they_o ingenious_o acknowledge_v a_o clear_a verity_n as_o though_o if_o it_o have_v be_v so_o clear_o &_o full_o teach_v in_o holy_a scripture_n as_o you_o be_v bind_v to_o show_v it_o s._n cyprian_n who_o have_v a_o much_o judgement_n to_o discern_v it_o as_o you_o at_o least_o and_o no_o less_o good_a will_n to_o acknowledge_v it_o nor_o yet_o less_o industry_n and_o diligence_n to_o seek_v it_o can_v not_o he_o have_v esp_v it_o and_o howsoever_o here_o you_o wilful_o wrangle_v out_o of_o s._n aug_n as_o though_o he_o acknowledge_v not_o the_o baptism_n of_o heretic_n by_o tradition_n yet_o two_o page_n after_o you_o in_o express_a word_n confess_v that_o he_o say_v neither_o baptism_n of_o infant_n nor_o by_o heretic_n be_v write_v in_o scripture_n and_o though_o you_o interpret_v he_o both_o here_o and_o there_o to_o mean_v that_o they_o be_v not_o find_v write_v in_o so_o many_o word_n but_o that_o the_o ground_n notwithstanding_o from_o whence_o they_o may_v be_v necessary_o conclude_v be_v lay_v in_o the_o scripture_n yet_o be_v this_o your_o gloss_n meerelie_o voluntary_a clear_o against_o s._n august_n meaning_n and_o common_a sense_n or_o i●_n not_o why_o do_v not_o you_o frame_v some_o argument_n which_o by_o necessary_a consequence_n may_v conclude_v out_o of_o the_o ground_n lay_v in_o scripture_n abstractinge_v from_o the_o authority_n of_o the_o church_n and_o tradition_n either_o of_o these_o two_o article_n but_o it_o be_v more_o easy_a for_o you_o to_o affirm_v twenty_o position_n then_o to_o prove_v one_o manual_a catholic_a position_n 2._o the_o catholic_a church_n do_v and_o aught_o to_o believe_v those_o thing_n which_o the_o apostle_n deliver_v by_o word_n of_o mouth_n without_o write_n in_o the_o same_o degree_n of_o faith_n with_o those_o that_o be_v write_v pilk_n for_o answer_v unto_o this_o let_v the_o judicious_a reader_n abuse_v observe_v that_o it_o be_v the_o usual_a doctrine_n of_o papist_n to_o teach_v that_o all_o point_n of_o christian_a belief_n which_o be_v necessary_a for_o all_o man_n be_v public_o preach_v by_o the_o apostle_n to_o all_o man_n and_o record_v in_o the_o register_n of_o holy_a scripture_n but_o beside_o these_o there_o be_v diverse_a thing_n commit_v to_o prelate_n and_o priest_n that_o be_v more_o perfect_a man_n which_o they_o teach_v they_o a_o part_n accord_v to_o that_o which_o s._n paul_n say_v we_o speak_v wisdom_n among_o they_o that_o be_v perfect_a and_o these_o be_v their_o tradition_n which_o they_o will_v have_v equal_o credit_v with_o the_o scripture_n now_o this_o be_v the_o very_a doctrine_n of_o the_o ancient_a heretic_n valentinian_o cerintheans_n marcionist_n etc._n etc._n for_o abusinge_v the_o scripture_n and_o advancinge_v tradition_n ground_v on_o the_o same_o foundation_n as_o the_o father_n tell_v us._n and_o these_o be_v thing_n which_o the_o protestant_n deny_v to_o be_v equal_a with_o the_o scripture_n for_o they_o grant_v that_o the_o apostle_n in_o the_o begin_v of_o their_o embassage_n write_v not_o the_o whole_a doctrine_n which_o they_o preach_v but_o deliver_v part_n by_o word_n of_o mouth_n and_o part_n by_o write_n howbeit_o they_o consign_v the_o canon_n of_o the_o scripture_n and_o