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A14254 The sacke of Roome exsequuted by the Emperour Charles armie euen at the natiuitie of this Spanish Kinge Philip. Notablie described in a Spanish dialogue, with all the horrible accidents of this sacke, and abhominable sinnes, superstitions & diseases of that cittie, which prouoked these iust iudgements of God. Translated latelie into the English tounge, neuer fitter to bee read nor deeplier considered, then euen now at this present time.; Diálogo en que particularmente se tratan las cosas acaecidas en Roma el año de M.D.XXVII. English Valdés, Alfonso de, d. 1532. 1590 (1590) STC 24569; ESTC S101792 58,810 80

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