Selected quad for the lemma: christian_n

Word A	Word B	Word C	Word D	Occurrence	Frequency Band	MI	MI Band	Prominent
christian_n	church_n	faith_n	infallible_a	1,453	5	9.5102	5	false

Text snippets containing the quad

ID	Title	Author	Corrected Date of Publication (TCP Date of Publication)	STC	Words	Pages
A59230	A letter to the D. of P in answer to the argueing part of his first letter to Mr. G[ooden].	Sergeant, John, 1622-1707.	1687 (1687)	Wing S2577; ESTC R8628	21,639	37

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