without teaching and that sound teaching nor by hearkening to Erroneous Deceivers 3. Nor that the Slothfull that will not meditate on it can understand it tho' they have the soundest teachers 4. Nor that Novices can understand as much in a short time and small Study as aged long exercised Students 5. Nor that wicked proud men that forfeit Gods help can savingly understand it without his Grace and Spirit 6. Nor that any man how holy soever perfectly understandeth every word in the Scriptures 7. Nor that a person may not be fallible and deceived that yet knoweth which is the Infallible Rule It maketh not all Infallible that know it 8. Nor that any Church or any Number of Christians on Earth have such a Vnity as consisteth in perfect knowledge and agreement in all matters of Faith that is of Scripture-record from God 9. Nor that God hath tyed this Infallible Regulation to the Bishop of Rome or made him this Rule seeing no such word of God is extant and General Councils have condemned Popes of Heresie Infidelity Ignorance and most brutish lust and wickedness 10. Nor that the Judgment of the major part of Christians or Bishops is the Infallible Rule for 1. The Papal part are but a third part And they will hardly believe that the other two or three parts Abissines Egyptians Syrians Armenians Georgians Circassians Greeks Muscovites Protestants are the Infallible rule 2. And if they met in an equal Council they that are most out of the Council would be the most in it And Ephes 2. and many others now condemned have had the Major part And Chrysostom that thought that few Bishops or Priests were saved thought not the greater number to be the infallible Rule 11. And Pope and Councils agreeing are not that Infallible rule for two fallibles makes not one infallible nor two Knaves one honest Man Popes and Councils have oft condemned one another yea they have oft agreed in evil as did that at Laterane the 4th under Innocent the 3d. that decreed the deposition of Princes that exterminate not all that renounce not all Senses and Humanity for those that have led into the Churches of the West all the horrid Errors of Rome to pretend yet that they are the Infallible rule of understanding Scripture is Impudency quite beyond that of Satan himself 12. If this Deceiver hold what is contrary to his accused Protestant Opinion he must condemn the Church of Rome that agreeth not of the sense of a thousand Texts of Scripture Horseloads of Commentators and Cartloads of School-contenders contradicting one another And he that will say that all revealed in Scripture is not matter of Faith reproacheth God as revealing that which is not to be believed All matters of Faith are not essential to Christianity but some are only for the perfection of it All is matter of Faith that we are bound to believe as Divine Revelation All the Scripture is such thô the ignorant must have time and help to understand it and explicitely receive it The Popes themselves e. g. Sixtus Quintus and Clem. 8. have differed in many hundred Texts about the very Latine Translation Many hundred Volumes of Controversies among them tell us how far they are from ending Controversies and agreeing in all matters of Faith But in so much as is necessary to Salvation all serious believing Protestants or Reformed Catholicks are agreed Now to trouble the Reader with the proof of any of these twelve particulars would be but to abuse Time and him as to prove that no Man is perfect and he that saith he hath no sin is a Lyar and to prove that the grand Deceivers of the Church are not Infallible and that Gods Word is not unevident and unintelligible and that such Villains as their own Councils and Historians say many Popes were speaks not more intelligibly and wisely than God and that the Volumes of Canons and Priests Writings are not of more evident meaning than Gods Word these need proof to none but those that are uncapable of it What Rule is there for the Infallible understanding the sence of all our Statute Laws none but what I mentioned The intelligible evidence in the words what else are words used for to men duely instructed and studyed The Judges govern by deciding particular causes by the Law but are not an Infallible Rule for all Men to understand the true sence of the Law by while Judges and Parliaments differ from each other as Popes and Councils did The Texts cited by the Deceiver are so vilely abused as if he purposed but to make sport by taking Gods Word in vain Point 2. Accused That in matters of Faith we must not rely on the Judgment of the Church and of her Pastors but only on the written word Ans The Deceiver would Cheat the Ignorant by Confusion and belying the Reformed Catholicks for 1. It 's false that the Reformed hold any of this undistinguishing Assertion They distinguish between humane Faith and Divine And I hope God and Man may be distinguished They say that it must be a Divine Faith that is The Belief of Gods word for the Infallible Veracity of God that must save us and not the belief of Man alone But that a humane Faith is needful in Subserviency to a Divine God hath appointed humane Teachers to the Flocks and Oportet discentem Credere He will never learn that will believe nothing on his Teachers Credit But he must believe Man but as Man an imperfect fallible Creature yet as like to know more than he that chooseth him for his Teacher And that which Man is to teach us is to see the Evidence of Gods own Word that we may believe it for that Evidence as our Teachers themselves must do For if the Teachers do but believe one another and not God or God only for Man's Authority this is not Religion nor Divne Faith but humane such as they had that believed Pythagoras Plato Mahomet c. If Boys learn of their School-Master to understand the Greek or Latin Testament and believe them as to Sence this is not Divine Faith but a help towards it The word of God is Infallible And by the help of fallible Men such as disagreeing Commentators be we are furthered for understanding it But false bloody Usurpers are not the likest to teach us the Truth nor fittest to be trusted His Citations of Scriptures to mistated Controversies are so putidly impertinent that I am ashamed to detect them by words which every Man may do The Third accused Point That the Scriptures are easy to be understood and therefore none are to be restrained from Reading them Ans Meer Cheat to the Ignorant by confusion and falshood 1. We and all Papists with us agree the more is the Guilt of the Deceivers Fraud that some of the Scripture is easy to be understood and is actually understood by all true Christians even all that is essentsal to Christianity and necessary to Salvation Bellarmine Castrus
World nor to have Men miraculously enabled to do it and give proof that it is Divine 3. We hold that God's written Word and Law is perfect in its kind Psal 19. and sufficient to its proper use and end Which Bellarmine Cassinus and the Council of Basil and many School-men in their Prologues on the Sentences confess extendeth to all things commonly necessary to Salvation yea and to be the Divine Rule of Faith 4. Yet we deny not that if God had seen meet to deliver any necessary part of Law or Gospel Faith or Practice as his will by bare word and Memory of Man we had been bound to believe and obey it when we had sound proof that it was indeed from God 5. We hold that for fullest certainty we have possession of the Bible it self and of the Essentials of Christianity brought us by two Means Conjunct that is The Scripture and practical Custom of the Church As the Scripture or written Word shineth to us by its own Light so Tradition tells us which be the Canonical Books and how the Church received them as Divine and that there are no other such And the practice of Baptismal Profession and Covenanting and of the Church Assemblies and reading Scripture and Catechizing and of Eucharistical Communion and Prayer c. tell us what in all Ages hath been taken for true Christianity As we hold a humane Belief needful in Subserviency as a means to Divine Belief so we hold humane Tradition needful to the conveyance of God's Word to us But by your leave we will distinguish the Messenger from the Authour If the King send me a Law or Mandate by a Messenger or by the Penny-Post I will receive and obey it and yet not take the Post or Messenger for King or Legislator or Infallible 6. And the Reformed Catholicks do own all true Tradition but are for a far surer Tradition than the Roman Sect. Our Tradition of Scripture and the great points of Christianity cometh to us by Evidence Infallible that may be called Natural with the greatest advantage of Moral Evidence also and not on the boast and bare word of one proud Sect that pretendeth to Fanatick Inspiration and Authority above all others I call that Natural Evidence which ariseth from such necessary Causes that cannot be otherwise nor can deceive And I call that the best Moral Evidence which cometh from Mens testimony of greatest credit for skill and honesty and we have both these Mans Soul hath some necessary acts that cannot but be and cannot be otherwise Such is sensation of sensible objects duely presented Intellectual perception of things presented according to the evidence in which they appear The Love of our selves and our own known welfare and any thing that is known to be an only and necessary means thereto and hath Omnimodam ratiomem boni The Love of Truth as Truth and Good as Good The hatred of misery c. These all Men have as men and that which dependeth on these dependeth not only on mens honesty And our evidence of Tradition is such as this It is from the Common Consent of all capable Witnesses of various Opinions Passions and Interests Friends and Foes whereas the Tradition of Sectarian Papists dependeth on the Credit of one Sect that falsly pretend a peculiar trust with both Scripture and Tradition tho' against the greater part of Christians And pretend Fanatically that even ignorant Popes and Prelates in Council have a gift of infallible knowledge For Example If there were a doubt raised Whether there be any such City in the World as Rome Paris Vienna or whether there was ever such persons as K. James K. Charles Ludovicus 14 of France c. Or whether the Statutes in our Books were really made by the Kings and Parliaments named in them and be the same unchanged c. There is Natural evidence of all this because it ariseth from necessary acts All sorts of men of contrary interests could never agree to lie and deceive men in such cases no more than they could all agree to kill themselves And if some would be falsifyers the rest would presently detect and shame them If any Lawyers would falsyfie or change the Statutes others would presently manifest the deceit they being commonly known and the cross interests of so many depending on them yea I say not only that this is Natural Infallible Evidence but that it is more than very much other Physical Evidence of many other things because we have better means to know Mans Natural necessary acts than we have to know most other Creatures of God And then for Moral Evidence we have all the Godly's attestation of all Ages and Nations and Sects of Christians and among the rest the Papists also agreeing that This Bible and This Creed and these Essentials of Christianity were all certainly transmitted to us from Christ and his Spirit in his Apostles And what 's the Tradition of the Papal Sect to all this who tell us falsely you cannot know the Scripture to be God's Word but by taking it on the belief of the Pope and Church of Rome as Endowed with the Power of Judgment and the gift of Infallibility Alas what abundance of Impossibilities must be proved true before any Man can by this method believe God's word 1. Before they can believe the Gospel and that Jesus is the true Christ they must believe that he hath a Vicar 2. And a Church 3. And the Pope is this Vicar and his Sect this Church And 4. That he hath the Office Power and Gift of infallible Judging which the Major number of Christians or Churches have not 5. And that Christ not yet believed in gave him power and Infallibility 6. And that he that now Reigneth is the true Pope by due Election Consecration Qualification c. With many more such Impossibilities And what is it to give up the Cause to the Infidels if this be not 7. But we judge that God's Law in Scripture secured from the charge of pretended Rememberers and Vsurpers is so sufficient to its proper use that there needeth no Supplemental Tradition as if it were but half God's Law but only subservient historical Tradition And we challenge the Papists to prove de facto 1. That any such supplemental Tradition is Existent 2. That they possess any other but what the other Churches know 3. That they are more than other Churches authorized to be the Keepers and Judges of that Tradition And 4. We fully prove them Innovators and that Popery is a meer Novelty It is copiously proved by Peter Moulin de novitate Papismi David Blondel de Ecclesia Andrew Rivet Defence of Morney against Coffetean and against Silvester and many others Can they without the most profligate Impudence pretend Apostolical Tradition for denying the Laity the Cup in the Eucharist and for their praying in an unknown Tongue and forbidding the Scripture and deposing Princes and dissolving Oaths of Allegiance and for tormenting and
lead them into all Truth and keep them from doing that Work Erroneously which they were commissioned to do Tho' not to make them absolutely free from Sin or Errour in all other things And therefore the Scripture written by them is free from Errour by Virtue of the special promise and Spirit 3. That all true Christians really regenerate are free from all Errour inconsistent with true saving Faith and Title to Salvation 4. That therefore the Church as it signifieth only the said regenerate true Christians hath no Damning Errour or none but what is pardoned as consistent with saving Faith and Holiness 5. That the Universal Visible Church is the whole Company of men on Earth that profess true saving Faith and are by Covenant Vow Baptized into this Profession And that all this true Visible Church professeth no Errour inconsistent with their Profession of the foresaid saving Faith Because the profession of saving Faith is essential to visible Christianity and to the visible Church For mark that I say not that they profess no Errour inconsistent with sincere Faith in themselves subjectively nor yet that as to objective Faith may not by unseen consequence overthrow it For there is such a concatenation of Divine revealed Truths that it is a doubtful case whether any one Errour which all men have do not by remote Consequence subvert the very Foundations But no true Visible Church or Christian so professeth any one Errour as not to profess the essential points of Faith and Godliness tho' they may think falsely that both are true Therefore Protestants teach that unseen Consequences are not to be so charged on those that see them not and hold fast the injured Truth as if it were a known or direct denyal of the Truth 6. But every Church and every man being imperfect both in knowledge Faith and Holiness have all some Errour For to be objectively de fide is to be of Divine Revelation And all the Scripture is Divine Revelation And if the question be Whether any Pope Council or Church understand all the Scripture without any Errour judge by Commentators and common Experience And now what saith the Deceiver against all this 1. He citeth Isa 59.21 God hath promised to preserve his Word in the Church Ergo the Church cannot Err A forged Consequence no more followeth but that the true Church shall not lose or forsake Gods Word For then it would cease to be the Church But 1. Not that the best Churches understand all that Word without any Errour 2. Nor that any particular Church visible may not apostatize or turn Hereticks or corrupt Gods Word and forbid men to use it in a known Tongue as the Papists do Next he citeth Joh. 14.16 As if all the Church had the same promise of the Spirit of Infallibility as the Apostles had If so then 1. Papists are none of the true Church because they have many Errours 2. And if the major part be the Church rather than a minor Sect then all other Christians that are against Popery are free from Errour for they are twice or thrice as many as the Papists 3. And when the far greater part were Arrians they were free from Errour Yea the Council of Sirmium to which Pope Liberius professed full consent Or did Christ break his promise to all these 4. If the Pope or all his Prelates have as full a promise of the Spirit as the Apostles then they may write us a new Bible and Word of God as they did No wonder then if the Canons and Decretals be as much Gods Word as the Bible But why then do they not confirm their Canons by Miracles as the Apostles did And why did so many Popes contradict each other Had both Stephanus Formosus Nicholas and the foresaid Johns that denyed the Life to come c. the same Gift as the Apostles Surely we may well say to them as St. James Shew me thy Faith by thy Works They did shew it by most odious Simony Gluttony Drunkenness Lying with Maids and Wives even at the Apostolick Doors Murdering Christs Members by Thousands Silencing faithful Preachers Deposing Emperours Commanding Perjury and Rebellion even to Sons against their own Fathers Forbidding all Church Worship of God to whole Kingdoms for many years when a King will not obey the Pope By such Works they shew their Faith O the power of Satan and the horrid pravity of man when such things are not only Justified but trusted to for Justification and made consistent with a Church that never Erred Indeed these Errours crept in by Degrees which maketh it difficult to Expositors of Scripture Prophesie to know just the year when the mischief became so ripe as to prove Rome to be Babylon Apostate to Pagano-Christianity and the Pope to be Antichrist But if I see a man Raging mad in Bedlam I will not make it an Article of my Faith that he is Sanae mentis because I know not just when his amentia deliratio or Melancholly became a Mania or Furor The Deceiver also citeth Mat. 18.17 viz. Because men must hear the Church where a Sinner dwelleth that calleth him to Repentance after due Proof and Admonition therefore the Pope and his Prelates cannot Err. An Argument liker a Derision than a serious Proof Did not the Pope then Err when Bishops and Councils have in vain called him to Repent Doth not the Church Err then most damnably that commandeth Murder Treason and most heynous Sin and is the Leader of the Impenitent Must we take such then as Heathens and Publicans But as the man thinketh so the Bell tinketh Do but Fancy that by the Church is meant only the Pope and his Clergy and that all is such Sin which the Pope calleth so tho' God command us and then all such Texts will seem to them to say what they would have them say The man also citeth Eph. 5.27 viz. Christ will present his Regenerate Church perfect and spotless in Judgment What then Ergo the Visible Church on Earth hath no Errour or Spot And Ergo the Pope and his Clergy are this Visible perfect Church And why not as well Constantinople Alexandria Antioch or Jerusalem the Mother Church Which part is it that is the whole or indefectible What is profaining Gods Word if this be not If any should be forbidden the Scripture it is these prophaning Priests The Eighth accused Point That the Church hath been hidden and Invisible Ans We do not think that the Pope and his Clergy-Church have been hidden and invisible Their Wars even in Italy and Rome for many Ages made them Visible Yea and palpable too The Kings and Emperours that they Fought against or Deposed knew them above 100000 Waldenses and Albigenses felt them to the Death Quae Regio in terris talis non plena laboris Whether this man knew not the Protestants Judgment herein or whether he would not have his Reader know it I cannot tell but I shall tell you what it
and many others tell us that for all that the Scripture is plain and sufficient Yea so it is in many Thousand particular Texts If this be not so let this Man tell us if he can how it cometh to pass that Papists Greeks and Protestant Commentators agree of the meaning of most of the Scripture perhaps of Nineteen Texts in Twenty if it be not plain But do Protestants say that there is nothing in the Scripture hard to be understood the Father of Lyes will scarce affirm this of them lest their Commentaries and Controversies shame him 2. But what Must the people be forbidden to Read Gods Word because some passages are dark Why not also forbidden to Read Statutes Canons Fathers Jesuits Fryars and the Loads of Papists Controversies Is there nothing hard in all these Volumes what not in all the Canons In all Chrysostom Austin Cyril c In all Lombard Aquinas Bonaventure Scotus Ockam Cajetane and all the Tribe In all Suarez Vasquez Huctado Albictine c In all Cajacius and his Tribe Why are not these forbidden Do but rub your Foreheads and tell me 1. Whether the Law was not darker than the Gospel and yet God charged them Deut. 6. and 11. To teach the words to their Children and that lying down and rising up at home and abroad and to write them on the posts of their Houses and their Gates And every blessed Man Psal 1. was to delight in the Law of the Lord and meditate in it Day and Night Read Psal 119. 2. Whether Christ did not Preach the words Recorded in the Gospel to the unlearned common people and Peter and Paul and all the Apostles to all the vulgar Jews and Gentiles 3. Whether they writ not their Recorded Epistles to the Vulgar even to all the Churches 4. Whether it is not Gods Word that we must all be Ruled and Judged by and is the Charter of our right to Heaven and should we be forbid to read it 5. Whether Hierom Chrysostom Austin and all the Fathers do not press Men and Women of all Ranks to read or learn and study the Scriptures 6. Whether he be not like Antichrist that will forbid Men to read that which God sent his Son from Heaven to Preach and Christ appointed Apostles Pastors and Teachers to communicate to all the World 7. Whether the Prince of Darkness and Pride himself would not be ashamed openly to say I have so much skill to speak Intelligibly and God so little that you must read my Books and not read his And whether Popes and Priests Volumes are not as unskilfully written as Gods and as like to draw Men to Heresie and Sin 8. Whether he that thus Condemneth God and his Law and extolleth Man's be like to make good his accusation at God's Barr Alas must such things as these be disputed by Men that would be our Infallible Rule 9. Either the knowledge of God's Word is needful or not If not why did God write part of it himself And send his Son to Preach it And his Spirit in his Prophets and Apostles to write and Record it Are blind Worms fit to accuse God of Folly and needless Work Can Men obey God's Law that know it not But if the knowledge of it be needful to our Obedience and Salvation ask common Reason whether the Difficulties should not rather oblige us to read and study it so much the more â—till we understand it rather than not to read it at all Do their ductile Followers that read it not understand it better than those that study it Day and Night The less we know of needless things the better and quieter we are If God's Law and Gospel be such what a God and Governour have we Can Heathens and Turks Blaspheme him more than to take him for so foolish a Governour of the World as to make a stir by his Son from Heaven and by Angels and Prophets to give them so needless yea pernicious a Law and Gospel as that Men must be kept from reading it lest it Poyson them with Heresie 10. Is it not essential to him that relatively we take for our God to be the Governour of the World and to be our Saviour and the Holy Ghost to deliver and Seal the Gospel as glad Tidings to all Nations And is it not by his Law that God Governeth and by his Gospel that Christ Saveth and the Holy Ghost doth illuminate and Sanctifie And doth not that Man or Clergy then put down God the Father Son and Holy Ghost and set up themselves in the stead who forbid the reading of God's Law and Gospel and Command the knowledge and observance of their own Canons and Dictates instead of them as more Intelligible and safe And is not this as Robert Grosthead told Innocent 4. next the Sin of Lucifer and Antichrist or rather plain Antichristianism it self 11. Is the Stage manner of Massing liker to make the people understand God's Law and Gospel by multitudes of Gestures Motions Crossings Ceremonies that need long Expositions that overwhelm the strongest Memories than the reading and study of the plain and full words of God in Scripture 12. Did this Deceiver ever hear Protestants say that the Apocalypse and Daniel and Ezekiel and the Canticles and the Chronologies of Scripture are all easy to be understood For if he have heard such a Fool did he ever read this in the Confessions of any Church Do not their Commentaries tell the difficulty And ask this Man or his fellow Creature whether the Infallible Pope or Councils have overcome all these difficulties to the Papists and made all this easy to them Or do not their Valuminous disagreeing Commentaries and Controversies shew that they are still as hard to them as to us 13. And ask them whether Pope or Council have ever yet written an Infallible Commentary on the Bible or all such difficult Texts If not is it because they cannot or because they will not And what the better then is their Church for their feigned skill and power infallibly to decide difficult Scripture Controversies What can be more shameless than this pretence in Men that will not do it nor ever did 14. And if still they tell you that the people were always bound to believe and obey the Churches Rites without dispute or Contradiction ask them whether it was not the Church Rulers that killed Christ and called him a Blasphemer and Deceiver and that Persecuted and accused the Apostles And whether the People were bound to believe them as Jewish Papists and whether all the Apostles and Christians were Rebels and Hereticks for not believing them And whether it was not for the Sins of Priests and Princes and the peoples complying with them that God by his Prophets reproved the Israelites and at last forsook them to Captivity 2 Chron. last Jer. 5 last 15. And if they tell you of the Peoples need of Teachers tell them that that is none of the Controversie But whether their Teachers
is 1. Protestants commonly hold That as the Word Church signifieth the Company of sincere Christians and Heart-consenters to the Baptismal Covenant so it is invisible to Man that knoweth not the Heart Inward Faith and Love which denominate them are not seen by others dare any deny this 2. But as the Word Church signifieth the Vniversality of men baptized professing Christianity in publick Assemblies so it was never invisible since such publick profession and Assemblies first began 3. But when the Pagan Persecutors forced their meetings into Woods and Cells and Pits called Conventicles and to Night-Meetings they were hidden from the Persecutors as well as they could hide themselves And so they were when they hid themselves from the Arrian Persecution of Valens Constantius Gensericus Hunnerichus and from the Persians And so were those of Tholouse Piedmont Bohemia and others that hid themselves and fled from the Crusado's under Simon Montford and St. Domonick and others that Murdered them Christ himself fled to Egypt and Galilee from Persecutors His Disciples were met secretly for fear of the Jews when Christ appeared to them when Peter was in Prison many were assembled by Night in a Conventicle at the House of Marks Mother to pray for him The Papists themselves keep hidden Meetings where they cannot have more publick 4. God hath not promised his Church such constant Prosperity as that in every Age any Nation shall have publick Liberty without all Persecution much less that they shall be still uppermost and Masters of the World and have Kings and Emperours always for them 5. But we cannot say that yet the Church hath been so low since the days of Constantine that all Princes have disowned the Essentials of Christianity and we hope it never will be so 6. But all Ages and parts of the Church have not been equally pure and sound In some Ages the Arrians were most In the Reign of Theodosius Junior Anastasius c. the Eutichians prevailed In the days of Philippicus the Monothelites prevailed so that at one of their Councils Binius saith There were Innumerable Bishops In one Emperours time those prevailed that were against Images in Irene's and Theodora's times those that were for them Sometime the Bishop of Rome had most Power and sometime the Bishop of Constantinople and Alexandria For an Hundred years even much of Italy forsook him and set up a Patriarch at Aquileia as their Head Through many Ages the Citizens of Rome themselves expelled him or Fought against him Now in all these Cases the Church as professing Christinanity was still Visible But which of all the parts was the purest and soundest was known to none but the sound parts themselves And when and where the Errours became so great as really to nullifie or invalidate the Profession of Christianity this was known only to those near that had opportunity to know the mind of the accused For Noxa Caput sequitur One man tho' a Prince or Prelate cannot make all his Subjects Hereticks by his Errour So that nothing hath been more Visible than that there have still been professed Christians and so an Universal visible Church on Earth But which parts of this Church have de facto been Sound and which Corrupt and what Errours have nullified their Profession and what only blemisht it this hath never been visible to the Erroneous For no man knoweth that he Erreth but it hath been visible to the Sound And so that the Church of Rome yet Professeth Christianity we know But whether their Errours prove them Babylon or nullifie their Christianity must be known only by trying the guilty Individuals Here the Cheaters say to the Ignorant If the Church hath been always Visible where was your Church before Luther Ans 1. Where-ever there were men professing Christianity and Baptized and not Apostatizing Were there none such in the World must we be put to prove where there were any Christians before Luther Were not the Hearers grosly Ignorant the Cheaters would have no Confidence in such Fopperies as these Obj. But the Church of Rome profest Christianity before Luther Ans It did so and as Christians we are of the same Church with them we know no Universal Church but the Christian as such that is all Christians as only Headed by Christ If you cannot tell whether before Luther there were any Christians in the World in Abassia Egypt Syria Armenia the Greeks Muscovites c. it 's your gross ignorance of History But whether Papists Arrians Eutychians Nestorians Monothelites Phantasians Image-Worshippers do invalidate their profession of Christianity by their contrary Errours and Crimes it much more concerneth themselves than us to enquire and judge But tho' those that nullify not their profession of Christianity are all of the same Church Universal that we are of yet we profess that their New humane Church which is only the Pope as Head and all that adhere to him as such are no Church of Christ at all All Christians as such are parts of the Christian Church But a Policy consisting of a Vice-Christ and his Subjects is a Rellellious Usurpation and no Church Forma denominat As Christ is the Head all are of the Church that truly cleave to him as Head As the Pope is the pretended Head they are all a pack of Rebels And now what an ignorant Cant is it to say The Church cannot Apostatize Ergo it cannot Err Ergo the Pope of Rome and his hireling Clergy cannot Apostatize and Ergo They cannot Err Tell me whether Rome be all the World And whether the Church of Rome and the Christian World be Words of the same signification in any Dictionary And whether an Alexandrian Catholick or a C.P. are Catholick be not as good Sence as a Roman Catholick And whether the Texts or Fathers that you name prophanely will prove that the Church of C.P. Alexandria Antioch or Jerusalem can never Err or Apostatize or be Invisible And whether your own Jesuits confess not that Rome shall do so too in the Reign of Antichrist In the mean time take this answer 1. The Church as intimately Sanctified and sincere was ever invisible 2. The Church Universal as professing Christianity was ever Visible tho' oft hid by Persecution 3. Whether Rome C.P. Jerusalem be a true Church or Apostate is invisible to those that knew them not 4. That the Papal Church as informed by a Universal Vice-Christ is a false Church is Notorious This is our Judgment The Ninth accused Point That the Church was not always to remain Catholick or Vniversal And that the Church of Rome is not such a Church Ans The first part is a meer flat Lye We hold that the Church is always to remain Universal till it be presented perfect in Glory If it remain not Universal what becomes of it Is it a part of something else or annihilated If Christ have no Church he is no Head of the Church and so no Christ What Protestant Church ever said any
such thing as you falsly charge them with That the Church of Rome is not such a Church that is Is not the Vniversal Church indeed we not only say but think the contrary sitter for a man Drunk than Sober What is Rome all the World Is Abassia America Mesopotamia Muscovy Asia Thrace England Scotland Sweden Denmark no part of the World yea of the Christian World And is not the Christian World the Church Vniversal Reader here is a Controversy worthy the Wits Learning and Honesty of all the Famous Fathers and Doctors and Juglers of the Roman Catholick Church The Question is Which of the Rooms in the House is the whole House One saith that the Kitchin or the Cole-House or the House of Office is the whole House We Protestants say that no one Room is the whole but Hall Parlors Dining-Room and all the Chambers and Closets and Kitchin are the whole and if the Cole-House and House of Office will needs be parts we will not contend with them but we will never grant that they are either the whole or the best part Tho' by Fire and Stink they think to force us to it But the ancient Writers distinguish between the Catholick Church and a Catholick Church By the first is meant the whole Church By the second is meant such a particular Church as is not Schismatical but a true and sound part of the whole But what could these Self-Condemners say more against themselves than thus openly to confess that their Sect claimeth to be the whole Church and so Trayterously unchurcheth two or three parts of the Church of Christ and Damneth most Christians for not being Traytors to Christ as they To confute his base abuse of Scripture is needless and irksome The Tenth point accused That the Churches Vnity is not necessary in alâ— pâ—iâ—ts of Faith Ans This we verily hold for all that God hath revealed in Scripture to be believed are points of Faith if the Word be used intelligibly by these men But all the points of Genealogies Topography Chronology Prophecy in Scripture are revealed to be believed therefore they are points of Faith and if Unity in all these is necessary to the Unity of the Church then no Church on Earth hath Unity Certainly Rome hath not whose Commentators and Doctors disagree about many hundred Texts of Scripture and Sixtus 5th and Clemens 8th Popes about the very Translation of many hundred Texts These men must now say that we are not bound to believe all Gods Word or else they must confess that their Church hath not Unity That which Reformed Catholicks hold is 1. First points of Faith or revealed to be believed are some of them Essential to Christianity and of necessity to Salvation and some but Intergrals if not some Accidents The first all the True Church agreeth in The second not As who is Antichrist or Babylon or the Ten-Horned or Two-Horned Beast in the Revelations What is the Time Times and half a Time with an Hundred such But in general all believe that all Gods Word is true It might convince these men in that it was long before all the Churches received all the Canonical Books of Scripture and yet all received not all their Apocryphal Books And are these out of the Church Or are none of these Books to be believed The Eleventh Point accused That St. Peter was not Ordained by Christ the first Head or Chief among the Apostles and that among the Twelve none was greater or lesser than other Ans Meer Falsehood as undistinguisht The word Head is ambiguous this Writer hath a Head such as it is that other Heads much differ from Reformed Catholicks hold that Peter is called first in numbring them That he was by Christ in many instances preferred before others That he was an Eminent Speaker and worker of Miracles That all the Apostles were not Equal in parts and worth but some herein greater than other What was Judas no lesser than the rest that was a Thief and Traytor John was Eminently the Disciple whom Jesus loved But we hold 1. That as John was not made Lord or Ruler of the rest by being Loved more so Peter's Preheminence made him no Master or Ruler of the rest The twelve Apostles were chosen Relatively to the twelve Tribes Peter as Reuben was the first and denyed Christ and was called Satan with a Get behind me Mat. 16. as Reuben defiled his Fathers Bed But as Levi was the third so was James the first Sanctified Apostle And as Juda the fourth is called the Law-giver from whom the Scepter should not depart c. so John the fourth is the Disciple of Eminent Love and Love is the Everlasting Grace when Faith and Prophesie cease But Christ made no one of them Ruler of the rest Proved 1. No Text speaketh any such thing And the Headship of Governing Power would have been of such grand necessity to be known that Christ and his Apostles must needs have plainly and oft inculcated it 2. Peter never Exercised any such Power what mention is there of any Laws or Mandates of his to the other Apostles 3. The rest never sought to him for Laws or Orders 4. The Schism and Controversies of Christians were never decided by appealing to him as the Judge 5. When some at Corinth would have made him their Head and said I am of Cephas Paul reproveth them as carnal saying of all What are they but Ministers by whom ye believed 6. Paul reproveth him Gal. 2. 7. The Jewish Christians contend against him for Eating with Gentiles Act. 11. whom he satisfieth by proof from God and not by pleading his Supremacy 8. He never once claimed any such Power 9. Paul 1 Cor. 12. tells us of none in the Church greater than Apostles But the rest were Apostles as well as he 10. No such Article was ever put into the Churches Creed We grant that Christ did in instituting the Apostles Office institute a disparity of Ministers in his Church and this to be continued in the Ordinary continued part of their Works but not in the Extraordinary And we grant that in putting Peter first Christ intimated that among men of the same Office there may for Order sake be a Priority as the President of a Synod or Colledge or the Fore-man of a Jury or a Chief-Justice or the Speaker of a Parliament God is not the God of Confusion but of Order as in all the Churches If a Parish or an Independant Church have one grave Pastor with divers young Assistants that were but his Scholars nature will give him some awing Preheminence among them We are not against such a Primacy among Bishops or Arch-Bishops But this is nothing to a Governing Office And if Peter had had such what 's that to the Pope of Rome The Twelfth Point accused That a Woman may be Head or Supreme Governess of the Church in all Causes as the late Queen Elizabeth was Ans A cheat by Confusion and Equivocation
The Church hath two sorts of Government One by the Word of God and the Keys called Ecclesiastical The other by the Sword called Princely or Magistratical We never had King or Queen that claimed the former and none but Enemies of Government deny the latter Queen Elizabeth and all our Kings since have publickly disclaimed the Priest by Office of Words Keys and Sacraments which maketh the Clergy Tryers and Judges what to Preach and whom to Baptize and receive to Church Communion absolve or Excommunicate But ask this Deceiver Must the Church have none to Govern by the Sword All Christians are the Church and so all Christian Princes are deposed because they are Christians Or must the Clergy have no such Government over them Yes the Pope say the Papal Canons he is Sword-bearer over the Clergy So you see what Church-power is come to But I trow few Papist Kings will grant that they have no Sword-Government over the Clergy lest every Priest be Master of their Houses Wives and Lives The King is no Physicain or Philosopher no Architect Shipwright Pilot c. but may he not be King and Ruler of all these He is no Clergy-man or Priest but the Ruler of the Clergy But they say it must not be in Causes Ecclesiastical Ans Causes Ecclesiastical have two sorts of Government in order to two Ends. As if one be accused for Preaching against God or Christ or the Life to come or for Perjury Adultery Murder c. Here the Bishops are Judges and the Church whether this man be Guilty in order to his Communion or Excommunication or admonition But the King and his Judges are to Judge whether he be Guilty and so whether to be Imprisoned Fined Banished c. so far as Causes of Religion or Church are to be punished by the Sword the King is Head or Governour and Judge who would think that a sort of men that deny this should have the Face to say that they are Loyal to Kings or any forcing Government Must Kings Burn or Kill as many Thousands at the Popes command as the Pope will call Hereticks and yet never have power to judge whether they are such and do deserve it O! how much worse than Hangmen would such men make all Kings and Magistrates Was not all the Christian World in a sad case then when the Pope was under the Arrian Goths and the Subject of a Foreign Arian must Rule all Kings and Kingdoms No man of Brains can be ignorant that Popedom or Prelacy do not always make men mortified Saints that oft have been scarce Men much less Christians nor that the Prince hath a great Power both in Choosing and Ruling the Clergy that are his Subjects It fell out happily that Theodorick the Arian and divers Spanish Arian Kings were an honest sort of men but sure they were very mighty Princes at Rome when one Subject of an Arrian Goth was Ruler of all the Kings and Souls on Earth de jure say our Deceivers And if the Turk should possess Rome as he doth C.P. all Kings and Nations must be subject to his Subject And what Power he hath over the four Patriarks of C.P. Alexandria Antioch and Jerusalem is too well known And when Baronius Binnius c. tell us of famous Whores Marozia and Theodora that made and Ruled and unmade Popes how was the World Governed As it was said by a Lord Mayors Child that he Ruled all London saying my Father Ruleth London and my Mother Ruleth my Father and I Rule my Mother so might it be said these Whores Ruled all the Kings and Nations of Christians on Earth if the Roman claim be Currant for they made and Ruled Popes that claimed the Rule of all the World O! how much greater was a Roman Whore Marozia Theodora c. than Pallas Venus or the great Diana of the Ephesians But the mischief was that they were mutable and could unmake a Pope as well as make him and set the City and Country by the Ears as Aequa Venus Teucris Pallas iuiqua fuit And if all Kings must be Subjects to the Subject or Chaplains of him that can win Rome let us wish that he may not be a Mahometan Pagan or Arian And why said I an Arian when an Anti-arian Pope can Murder Christians by Thousands when a Theodorick would not have hurt them The Thirteenth Point accused That Antichrist shall not be a particular man and the Pope is Antichrist Ans This is Popish Stating Cases Protestants find in the Creed the Name of Christ but not the Name of Antichrist and therefore while they know and trust Christ they think it not necessary to Salvation to know Antichrist But they believe Christ who said that many should come in his Name saying I am Christ and deceive many even before the Destruction of the Jews and rhey believe St. John that said there are many Antichrists already The Fathers and Papists say there is some one Great Antichrist to come towards the end of the World Most Protestants think it is Antichrist that is described in 2 Thes 2. and Rev. 12.13 17. To confute King James Bishop George Downame Dr. Henry More above all Mr. Mede Cluverus Grasserus c. will require more than this Writers Impertinencies There are many Protestants that think it a meer mistake that there will be any one Antichrist so Eminent as to obscure all the rest And they pretend not to judge of Antichrist by the Apocalyps but by the Ten Commandments and all the Gospel And they believe that he is Antichrist that usurpeth Christs Prerogative and yet opposeth his Kingdom And such they think the Eastern Antichrist Mahomet is the most notorious and the Western Antichrist the Pope is his Second in that he claimeth Christs Prerogative of Governing all Nations of the Earth as Vice-Christ and yet by Lies Malice and Blood suppresseth his true Gospel Grace and Kingdom confute this if you can Amending would be your best defence We doubt not but Antichrists past have been Individual men such was Barchocheba and some say Herod and some Dioclesian but undoubtedly Mahomet And if the Pope be the Western Antichrist it is the Individual Popes that are such but many of those Individuals may make a Succession of Antichristian Policy Answer Dr. More and Cluveruâ— of this if you are able We lay not our opposition to Popery chiefly on the dark Revelation Prophecy or on the question Who is the Antichrist But on the plain Word of God If we find a Succession of men claiming Omnipotency and Christs Prerogative to Govern all Kings and Nations on Earth and this by bare and base Vsurpation and Novelty and find these men set up their numerous false treasonable inhumane Canons and forbid and revile Gods Law and Word and find them turning Gods Worship into unintelligible Mummery and Stage-Shows and Ceremony and find them living at Leeches on Blood yea on the Blood of Thousands of the best Christians and damning and
Cure of an aking Tooth is for the sake of all the Body That is 1. For the good of the whole 2. And done out of love to the whole But this will not satisfie confounding Deceivers No doubt it is dead Saints that he meaneth And what he meaneth by Merits I suppose he knoweth not himself or else he would have told us How far we own or abhor the pretence of Merits I shewed before All Saints are saved by the full sufficient Merits of Christ and have none at all of their own unless the amiableness of Grace freely given them be called their Merits as a thankful Child more deserveth his Fathers Love that is is more Lovely than a Rebel that scorneth him and a piece of Gold deserveth to be esteemed above Dirt and a Nightingale above a Toad Yea their own Jesuit Vasquez not only denieth all Merit of God in Commutative Justice as all save Romans and a few such Sots do but also in point of distributive Justice by which he seemeth to deny Merit more than Protestants do For by Merit we mean but Moral aptitude for the reward of a free Benefactor who is also Rector when the ordering of a free Gift suspended on official Conditions is sapientially made a means of procuring Obedience Whatever God hath promised to give us for other Men's sake that he will so give But our Faith shall not go beyond his Promise If God have told us any where who Saint Nicolas and St. Becket and St. Christopher and St. Joan and St. Jane and St. Winifrid are and what they were to us more than others and that they were real Saints and that he hath promised us Mercy for their sakes and bid us pray to him for their Meriting for us let them shew us this in his Word But if it be only the Popes Command and Promise let his Subjects obey and trust it We are certain that none but Saints are saved And why then must I go to God for the Merits of St. Nicholas or St. Bridget any more than for the Merits of all the rest which are many Millions As God is jealous of his Honour against Idols so is he of Christs Honour against Antichrists and false Mediators and we must do nothing that seemeth to ascribe any part of Christs proper Office of Mediation to any Creature And doth it not seem so if we pray Lord hear pardon and save me for the Merits of Becket or Bridget c. For what more can we say of the Merits of Christ But still mark that these men say not that we must pray thus for the Merit of Saints but that we may And must all be Burnt or Damned that will not do all that the Pope thinks they maey do That we receive no benefit by them is a forged Calumny and not our Doctrine We believe that the Jews had benefit by Abraham Moses David when they were Dead And that the Reformed Churches have had benefit by the Blood of the Martyrs shed by the Blood-thirsty Papists to this day and that the whole Church hath benefit by the Writings of Chrysostom Nazianzene Augustine c. Luther Calvin c. The Four and Thirtieth accused Point That we ought not expresly to pray them to pray or intercede to God for us Ans There was enough said of this before about praying to Angels When God bids us pray to dead Men's Souls we will do it Till then your saying we may do it proveth neither may nor must to us Why then cannot you keep your may to your selves Never a Conjurer in England can tell us how far Souls in Heaven can hear nor where and when they are present or within hearing nor which of them are so whether all or one or which No nor whether those Saints that understood not Latin on Earth do understand Latin Prayers sent up from Earth whâ—â—â— the Speaker himself understandeth them not Alas Christian Reader what a dark uncertain Worship like Charming would this Infallible Church compell men to offer the most Holy God while they accuse his Word of ensnaring dangerous obscurity We will pray to those alive that we know do hear us to pray to God for us for the sake of Christ But it 's but profanation of the Scripture to say that because Luke 16 a man in Hell supposed to see and hear Abraham did pray him to send Lazarus on Earth therefore we that neither see nor hear the Dead should pray to them But Dives prayed in vain and so may you And what if those Souls should prove to be in Purgatory Must we pray both to them that are in Purgatory and for them also And is it certain that the Pope and all his Church are sure which Saint is not in Purgatory when all are there or worse say they that ever sinned and did not Pennance for it The Five and Thirtieth accused Point That the Bones or Relicks of the Saints are not to be kept or reserved no Virtue proceeding from them after they be once dead Ans 1. Where hath God Commanded us to keep them for the Virtue that proceedeth from them 2. We deny not but a man may keep a Skeleton or Skull and if it be his Fathers we will accuse him no higher than of Imprudence and Passion But what proof have you of Virtue proceeding from Bones till you see it by experience Is it any appointed means for God to work Miracles by And how know you that all were Saints that the Pope calleth so Had all the Debauched Popes of Anno 800 900 1000 skill Infallible to know Saints from Hypocrites And hath God promised Virtue to all their Bones And are you sure that they are their Bones Alas what numerous Tricks have men to trust to to deceive themselves and others that yet will not obey Christs plain Commands and trust his promise The Six and Thirtieth accused Point That Creatures cannot be Sanctified or made more holy than they are already of their own Nature Ans A down-right slander 1. We believe that all men that shall be saved are or shall be Sanctified and made more holy than they are of their own Nature 2. We believe that to the Pure all things are Pure and are Sanctified by the Word and Prayer And that whatever we do we should do it to the glory of God And when a Christian devoteth and useth his Food Estate and all to Gods Service it is Sanctified 3. We believe that a Temple a Font a Table and Utensils may well be separated from common uses to Gods Worship And that Separation is a sanctifying of them To be Sanctified or Holy is but to be separated from common use to Gods special Service according to the nature of the thing used 1. Godly men are Sanctifyed and Saints because by Soul-consent and Devotion and Practice they are sincerely separated to God from the slavery of the World the Flesh and the Devil being Habitually and Predominantly lovers of God and Holiness by
highly to gratifie or please him offered to expiate some Crime that displeaseth him or by pleasing to procure some benefit from him Among Heathens and Jews there were various sorts of Sacrifices Some Hilastical some Eucharistical Some of things Lifeless and some of Living Creatures where strictly part was burnt and so offered to God and part given to the Priest and part eaten by the Offerers We hold 1. That Jesus Christ offered his Body on the Cross a Sacrifice to God for the expiation of Sin as a thing pleasing to God in a sence which no other Sacrifice ever was or is not that God delighted in his Blood Pain or Death as such but as finis gratiâ it was the most excellent means to demonstrate his Wisdom Love Justice and Mercy and save a sinful race of men with the honour of his Law and Government 2. We hold that Christ hath instituted his Sacrament to be a visible Representation of this his Sacrifice both for Commemoration and for actual Investiture and Collation of Christ to be our Saviour and Head in Union and of his Grace and Benefits Pardon Reconciliation Adoption Justification Sanctification and Title to Glory And we know that the ancient Churches called this often a Sacrifice Not in the same sence as Christ was our Sacrifice nor as the Mosaical Types were Sacrifices but a Representative Sacrifice representing Christs own But we are the shier to use the name Sacrifice where Papists apply it to Idolatry 3. We know that all Christians are bound to dedicate themselves to God and even to lay down their Lives when he requireth it and bound to offer him penitent Confession Praise Thanksgiving and to give Alms to the poor and serve and honour him with all their Wealth and Power And all these are called Sacrifices in Scripture because they are sacred oblations acceptable to God through the merits of Christs Sacrifice Is not this man a Calumniator then that faith we hold that there is not in the Church a true and proper Sacrifice unless he call none true and proper but what no man can offer to God But what say we to the Sacrifice of the Mass We say that for the Priest to pretend that after his words Bread is turned into Christs Flesh in a Physical sence and Wine into his Blood and that this is our God and that he sacrificeth this God to God and eateth and drinketh him so sacrificed and that all that so receive him have Eternal Life This is a prophanation of Holy things a deceiving of Souls a blaspheming of Christ and Idolatry against God And all sacrificing in their Mass that is more than a Representation of Christs own sacrificing himself for Commemoration and Communication of the gifts of his Testament and the expression of our Gratitude and Devotedness to God by him is their own prophane invention How do they offer his broken body and blood shed any otherwise than Representatively unless they kill him and eat him when he is Dead It was only a Representation of his own sacrificed Body and Blood which he made at the Sacrament himself not then broken and shed but to be broken slain and shed soon after unless he had two bodies one dead and one alive The Sacrament indeed was called a Sacrifice by the ancient Churches to signifie that it is not Christs body as now glorified in Heaven that is there Represented but his body as once flesh and blood sacrificed on the Cross And how can it be that but by Representation sacrificing it was killing it Do they kill Christ a thousand thousand times over yea and kill his Gloryfied body He hath no existent Flesh and Blood in Heaven speaking properly and formally but a Spiritual glorified body that was Flesh and Blood on Earth And doth every Priest turn Christs Spiritual glorified body into Flesh and Blood again O what a Mass of prophanation is their Mass Tho Two and Fortieth accused Point That Sacramental Vnction is not to be used to the Sick Ans In those Hot-Countries anointing their bodies was used as a great refreshment for Delight and Health And Christ and his Apostles applyed it to the Miraculous use of Healing as Christ did Clay and Spittle to a blind Man And while that miraculous use continued St. James bids those that are sick as a punishment for some sin to send for the Elders of the Church that they may pray for the pardon of his sin and for his recovery and anoint him with Oil and if he have not sinned unto Death that is a Capital Crime which God would have Magistrates punish with Death and will do so himself his Sin shall be forgiven and he shall be healed See now the Malice of the Prince of Darkness He that tempteth men to cast out half the substance of the Lords Supper meerly to shew what they can and will and dare do against his Word and tempteth men to forbid the very Scripture it self yet to undoe he will overdoe and draw men to be wise and Righteous over much Who would think these men are against the sufficiency of Scripture that will turn its temporary occasional actions into perpetual Sacraments They make Conscience of washing Feet of bearing Palms of the Holy-Kiss but on the Pax and a Sacrament of anointing the sick And why they make not a Sacrament of anointing the Blind with Clay and Spittle of washing at Jordan or Siloam Pools and of the said Kiss and washing of Feet of bearing Palms of the Popes Riding on an Ass c. I know not But for the Name of a Sacrament bring first a Military and then a Church Term not used in Scripture we will not quarrel with them They may laxly extend it to almost any Ceremony or sign Religiously used rightly or wrongly But 1. They use that to the Dying when they judge them past hope which St. James spake of using for Recovery 2. They use that as an ordinary thing which was to be used only for miraculous Cures and yet shew not that they have the Faith or gift of Miracles nor cure any by it 3. They force men to that feigned Sacrament now ceased with that gift which was used to none but such as Voluntarily desired it Why are they not conâ—â—â—â—ed to use it themselves but they must force all others to it as necessary What Man Woman or Child do you read of in all the New-Testament that was anointed in order to Death save a Woman that meant no such thing that anointed Christ in Health Where read you that Dragoons or Inquisitors inforced it and draged naked the bodies through the Streets and Buryed them in Dunghils or where Dogs may eat them if they refuse it Whose Sacraments can we think are these The Three and Fortieth accused Point That no Interior Grace is given by Imposition of hands in Holy Orders And that ordinary Vocation and Mission of Pastors is not necessary in the Church Ans Contrarily the Reformed Catholicks hold
minds despise them or by their way of Image-worship to seem to be of their mind For as a man that useth the common Words of an Oath without any purpose to Swear is a prophane Swearer with the Tongue which the mind should better rule tho' his mind Swear not so he that on his Knees in Religious Prayer looketh on Images as the mediate Object of his Worship his act is bodily Idolatry and his mind is guilty by not better ruling it Where God affixeth the mention of his Jealousie even to the Third and Fourth Generation calling the bowers to Images those that hate him it is needful to us to be jealous of our actions For our God is a Consuming Fire And we are nâ—t ignorant of the Doctrine of your St. Thomas who saith that the Image is to be Worshipped with the same sort of Worship as that which it representeth and the Image of the Crucifix with Latria called Divine Worship The Fiftieth accused Point That no man hath seen God in any Form and that therefore his Picture or Image cannot be made Ans 1. But what if it were Lawful to Paint God Is it Necessary Why may you not be contented to have a painted God your selves Must all be burnt and damned as Hereticks that are not of your mind Will you be jealous against those that bow not to a painted God as God is jealous against those that do it God saith Thou shalt not bow down to them nor worship them Where saith he Thou shalt bow down to them and worship them Or bow towards them and say It is not to them 2. God saith Thou shalt not make to thy self the likeness of any thing in Heaven or Earth to bow down to them and worship them Bowing down purposely towards them and before them is interpretatively bowing down to them worshipping them And God would not be so worshipped Isa 40.16 25. To whom will ye liken God Or what likeness will ye compare unto him To whom will ye liken me or shall I be equal saith the Holy one See Lev. 26.1 Deut. 16.22 Hab. 18.2 The Molten Image is a Teacher of Lies It is Blasphemy to make a Picture or Image of God but what he maketh himself as if we said God is like that Image or Creature But this Deceiver tells us how God appeared to Adam and others in a humane or some certain shape Ans 1. And yet he hath oft and earnestly forbid making Images of him to worship 2. Anthopomorphits that take God to have parts like man are Condemned as Hereticks by the Church of Rome it self Every notifying sign of Gods attributes is not called his Image and man is called his Image for the Divine Impressions on his Soul which cannot it self be seen and Pictured If God appear by an Angel and that Angel appear in humane shape we are nevertheless forbidden to worship God pictured as a man Sun Moon Stars yea every Creature notifieth God to us yet may we not paint him like these or any other Creature Did not Gods transcendency and his express Word plainly and frequently reprove this Popery had some small excuses If they deny Christs and his Apostles Words that no man hath seen God at any time save his Son they reproach him To see his Works is only to seâ— that which notifieth him and not himself Else every Pagan and Brute seeth God We deny not but the Sun and Fire and a man may be pictured and that God being partly notified to us by these and every Creature may be said so far to appear in them And when did he appear so wonderfully as in Christ And yet it being not his Essence in it sell that we see in them but his attributes is part an Image of a man of the Sun Moon Stars of a Horse or a Dog or a Toad is not to be called an Image of God else God may have as many Images as Creatures The One and Fiftieth accused Point That Blessing or signing with the sign of the Cross is not founded in Holy Scripture Ans The man would not tell you whether he mean the Lawfulness of the Cross only or also the necessity of using it But what are his Proofs 1. Rev. 7.3 Hurt not the Earth nor the Trees till we have sealed we read signed the Servants of our God in their foreheads Is here any mention of Crossing or Blessing with the Cross An Angel in prophetical Vision is bid to mark or seal the Servants of God as those that are not to be destroyed when God commissioneth other Angels to destroy the Persecutors Therefore the Priest must sign all Christians with the Cross And I would they did not infer as one did from Ezek. 9.4 5. And to the other he said go ye after him through the City and smite let not your Eye spare neither have ye pity stay utterly Old and Young and little Children and Women but come not near any man on whom is the mark and begin at my Sanctuary And thus whatever Plague or Death God bid Angels execute on his uncurable Enemies Idolaters and Persecutors the Devil will teach men that Priests and their Hang-men may execute on all that are not marked in the Forehead with a Cross But as long as Rome is so like to Babylon they were better teach men a truer Exposition of the Revelations Thus they can prove that the Scripture is but like a Nose of Wax by using it as if it were so It was Idolatrous Persecuting Rome that was to be destroyed and it was those that had Gods mark and not the Beasts that were to be secured And who is that Idolatrous persecuting Beast The next Text is Mark 10.16 Christ put his hands on Children and blessed them And would he make men believe that we deny Christs blessing them or others Or that Pastors may bless the people in his Name Is here ever a word of signing with the Cross The other is Luke 24.50 He led them out as far as Bethany and he lift up his hands and blessed them Therefore the Priest must Cross men in the Forehead Reader this is the fashion of these Men's confuting the Reformed Catholicks and proving Popery and using Scripture And have they not reason to challenge the sole Interpreting of it Let but the Pope and his Priests expound it and it shall all speak for them and speak Blood and Fire against all that obey them not But till then they are it's Enemies because it is the greatest Enemy to them 2. But suppose Christs blessing had been Crossing With what Face do they feign Protestants in England to be against Crossing in the Forehead When the World knoweth that the Church of England is not only for it but Ejecteth and Silenceth all Ministers that will Baptize the Child of the most Godly Christians without it And they know that all the Churches called Lutheran use it Are none of these Protestants 3. And though those called Non-Conformists are not for