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A42568 An answer to the compiler of the Nubes testium wherein is shewn that antiquity (in relation to the points of controversie set down by him) did not for the first five hundred years believe, teach, or practice as the Church of Rome doth at present believe, teach, and practice : together with a vindication of the Veteres vindicati from the late weak and disingenuous attempts of the author of Transubstantiation defended / by the author of the Answer to Mr. Sclater of Putney. Gee, Edward, 1657-1730. 1688 (1688) Wing G453; ESTC R21951 96,934 107

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the_o vast_a merit_n of_o the_o first_o christian_a martyr_n st._n stephen_n as_o any_o age_n since_o can_v have_v for_o any_o martyr_n or_o aught_o to_o pretend_v to_o and_o yet_o we_o find_v they_o only_o decent_o inter_v their_o martyr_a brother_n no_o care_n about_o get_v relic_n or_o mangle_v his_o body_n to_o have_v finger_n tooth_n or_o toe_n to_o show_v in_o order_n to_o be_v kiss_v and_o prostrate_v to_o such_o foolish_a and_o superstitious_a action_n be_v the_o issue_n of_o more_o degenerate_a and_o fancifull_a time_n when_o the_o bless_a martyr_n ignatius_n have_v according_a to_o his_o intense_a desire_v finish_v his_o course_n with_o martyrdom_n and_o be_v deliver_v a_o prey_n in_o the_o amphitheatre_n to_o the_o cruel_a lion_n who_o devour_v all_o of_o he_o but_o some_o hard_a bone_n the_o brethren_n then_o attend_v his_o martyrdom_n take_v up_o those_o 1647._o those_o sola_fw-la enim_fw-la asperiora_fw-la sanctorum_fw-la ossium_fw-la derelicta_fw-la sunt_fw-la qua_fw-la 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